April 28th 2009 5:49 pm PT

Gears of War 2 Achievement Hacking: Banning has begun…


As you know, we are committed to keeping Xbox LIVE a safe and fair place to play for the more than 17 million active members. As part of our regular safety monitoring we have pinpointed a group of players who have unlocked specific Gears of War 2 Achievements through an unauthorized hack. Deliberate cheats like these are in direct violation of the Xbox LIVE Terms of Use and will not be tolerated. As I post this, we’ve begun taking steps to reset the Gamerscores of the offending players.  As I have mentioned in the past, this is something we do occasionally to keep the service free of cheating in order to maintain a fair and level playing field for everyone. If you play fair and earn your achievements without glitching or cheating, you have nothing to worry about. Read my original post that shows what a cheater looks like and head over to Xbox.com to read the Gamerscore correction FAQ that may answer some of your questions.


Gears of War, Xbox 360 By Larry Hryb, Xbox LIVE's Major Nelson

  • MASTER X 84

    Great news !

  • Klister NL

    anyone who has the level100 on gears2 has cheated it. I play the game daily for hours and I have never seen anyone between level 60 to 99… have fun resetting all them cheaters Major!

  • MetalGearFloppy

    Lol… good work Major and crew!
    I’m keeping my eye on the account of a dirty “game-saving” cheater right now… looking forward to seeing his score drop to a big fat zero!!!

  • MartyPG13

    Quote = Surly x Duff: “there are a lot of other issues that directly affect user experience that nothing is being done about. These guys glitched to get an achievement and higher gamerscores. Big whoop. How about addressing the broken NXE? The stability issues in party chat? The freezing every time I hit the guide button? The ridiculous wait for arcade game lists to populate?”

    What he said – the above issues *DO* affect me. I really don’t care if someone glitches some extra gamerscore – seriously who gives a crap?

    But I’m sure Xbox live is so much safer now these people have a zero gamerscore :>


    Awesome! It’s good to know that you are cracking down on cheaters/hackers! :) Thanks Major.

  • Type 0 x IV

    It’s a good thing to show that any cheating will not be tolerated, but it’d be nice to see something more serious than gamerscore cheating more strictly enforced. Gamerscore cheaters don’t hurt my online experience, someone who forces me out of an online game or sticks me in blackscreen do.

  • Makusensu

    Ya ban Oliv sans E !!! :<

  • I Dj Mo I

    FINALLYYYYYYY !!! Thank you Major, MS, Epic

  • XxLightkunxX

    Hey Major, how about fixing all the glitchers and cheaters on, oh I don’t know, Grand Theft Auto 4, where assholes are able to win a race in .02 seconds? Yeah. What about THAT crap? Nothing’s being done about people like that, and why Gears of War 2 is anything to be mentioned above all the other games is beyond me.

    How about you and your lazy team focus on issues that we actually care about? Like fixing the NXE, laggy guide, the ‘wait, is it loading yet?’ menu lists for EVERYTHING on the Marketplace, connection issues, and horrible lag on everything else?

    We pay you rich pricks every year to help us enjoy your console, and as much as I love you guys, srsly, show us some love once in awhile, god d4mn.

  • XxLightkunxX


    *reads last post*…it censors the word ” D A M N ” but not the other word I used in my post?
    What sort of operation are you running here, Major? *sigh*

  • JJQuantum

    Two big thumbs up to Microsoft for stopping cheaters. Now that you’ve stopped players from taking advantage of glitches in varies software products how about increasing quality assurance in games that are preventing gamers from getting their fairly played achievments. The most recent game being Ubisoft’s H.A.W.X which has taken 195 points from me (not to mention all the points from many other players – check Ubisofts own fourm). Contacting all parties gets the usual finger pionting XBox Live to Ubisoft, Ubisoft to Microsoft, Microsoft back to Live and other variations of the cycle. Help would be appreciated, and thanks again for stopping the cheats.

  • monosocratic

    “Well… if Epic started fixing the game instead of making it $^&#ier than it is from the start people wouldn’t even think about boosting.”

    your logic is faulty. the people that cheat/hack/standby are going to do it no matter what. it’s not Epic’s fault that these people are dickheads.

  • EvertonMonkey

    I cant login to xbox.com today, are there problems ? The sign in link is missing.

  • EvertonMonkey

    No worries its back up now


    hopefully they get everyone who achievement glitched in Gears 2

  • PAT2K9

    Nice. That’s great news.

  • MMC Chandi21

    Please can you ban the others who have glitched their ranks aswell because it annoys me when I see people who’ve got rank 100 and have about 130 gamerscore when they haven’t even played more than 50 rounds. This is surely glitching achievements aswell e.g. reach level 25.

  • NavComm81

    The modified 360’s are all banned in due time. Some people just don’t care about Live though, so that doesn’t affect them.

  • LausDomini

    I suddenly jumped 25 spots on MGC’s leaderboard. Thanks!

  • Twilight Miasma

    If you have to hack just to get some points that are only worth bragging rights, you’ve got way too much time on your hands.

  • a peeking duck

    When you die, nobody at your funeral will say “(s)he died with 1 million gamerscore on xbox live, (s)he will be missed” nor will anybody remember you for that.

  • Custom Casket

    I wonder if MN is actually going to address the fact that several people are constantly bringing up the fact of how crappy the guide is and how it lags. It seems to be ignored every single time. Screw the people who glitched for gamerscore, who cares seriously. How about fixing a service I pay for each year. Any other company would fix it or give me a credit to my account for it. What is Microsoft allowed to do whatever they want and just collect our money? Its time for people to take a stand and tell Microsoft that it is not alright. Its not ok to sit around and ignore our complaints either, that just shows how little this company cares.

  • CaptainKicker

    If “L X360A L Pp Bb” does’nt get he’s score set to zero, i’ll be pissed. That guy helps other people with profile glitching and gamesaving + he did the GoW2 glitches, and a sh*tload of other glitches..

    Cheaters = Losers


    Too bad they couldn’t have done something when Castle Crashers was new, and everyone glitched up the leaderboards. I don’t even think they are gonna give out the gold statues for the best players, like they did for Alien Hominid.


    Losers are also people that are happy about this. Who cares! You mean theres nothing better they could be doing but looking for people who cheat to get their GS higher..hahah Pathetic.

  • darkjester74

    Just out of curiosity: the headline mentions banning, but Major’s post only pertains to resetting gamerscore. Will the guilty parties actually be banned from XBL, or is the only remediation resetting their gamerscore?

  • Sasco1st

    “Quote = Surly x Duff: “there are a lot of other issues that directly affect user experience that nothing is being done about. These guys glitched to get an achievement and higher gamerscores. Big whoop. How about addressing the broken NXE? The stability issues in party chat? The freezing every time I hit the guide button? The ridiculous wait for arcade game lists to populate?”

    What he said – the above issues *DO* affect me. I really don’t care if someone glitches some extra gamerscore – seriously who gives a crap?

    But I’m sure Xbox live is so much safer now these people have a zero gamerscore :>

    Here here!

  • F34RL3SS L34D3R

    You mean to tell me that people are complaining about the 10 sec load time of their arcade games screens? Are we really in that much of a rush that that’s what we have to complain about. Ever turn on a PS3 EVER? I will take a broken NXE any day. I have had no problems with my NXE. I have never had it freeze and it may take 10 or 15 seconds to load my arcade games but I usually just lift up my leg and let one rip to pass the time. BIG DEAL peeps! As for Party Chat, if its used in game its usually to cheat and let dead team mates tell live ones where we are. I have not had any issues in party chat either. The guide button freezes for 3 seconds. Big Deal. Seriously guys if your gamerscore is above the 20,000 mark you obviously have the time to wait. Everyone who complains about this is still going to log in there 40+ hours a week regardless of the flaws. At least they are starting somewhere. I would rather have a level playing field where it counts than worry about the NXE freezing once every blue moon. If we can deal with it in Windows we can deal with it here. Good Job MS!

  • CovCityFC

    Thing is, its not just Gears2 im sick of other games like Halo where I can head shot someone loads for them to turn around shoot me once and kill me.

  • X3R0 9

    So you reset the gamerscore, whoop-di-friggin-do. It’s called a new account and their right back at their old antics if they want to. All you did was slow them down temporarily, fuel their fire for achievement whoring, and make them want to get that score back. Give them a year, and they’ll be back to around 62k.

    Oh, and as far as the NXE lag…MS can you take a look at your code, memory, and implementation structure before releasing your next console. The reason we’re getting lag is because we’re booting off a hard drive. If we had internal memory, like the arcade units, the NXE speed would be exponentially greater than what it is now. Here’s the process for all you non-savy code guys/gals. You turn on your system, the hard drive has to boot up (stores NXE info), you wait and wait and wait. Reason you’re waiting is because the HDD has to boot up and run its checks, then it has to send the cpu the code to run the NXE. Distance in data transfer compared to real life: for data to move from HDD to cpu is like 1 or two miles (exaggerating). Now if you had internal memory like the Arcade units, data traveling is compared to you going out your front door, and the internal memory boots up the same time the cpu does, unlike the millisecond delay in the external hard drive booting up.

    So please, please, look at your structure before releasing the new system, that way you can eliminate people like myself that hate the load times. My PS3 boots up faster than the 360.

  • Anonymous

    @F34RL3SS L34D3R
    I have a LOT of games & demos bought/downloaded from the PS Store, 34 games – 19 demos and the PS3 loads everything MUCH faster than the 360. Hell, you can go through your lists as soon as the XMB comes up (which is instant too) unlike this 360 which pulls each game up one or two at a time, followed by grabbing the license for them if you have another box which is really irritating (and yes I tried the license tool and the #&$* isn’t working for my 7th replacement).

  • a peeking duck

    COD4 gamers: a patch is almost ready that should help against cheaters.


  • XxLightkunxX

    @F34RL3SS L34D3R

    I don’t really think you understand the extent of the issue *Or you’re just trying to downplay everyone here who has complained on the issues*. What if something were to happen, say, in the middle of a starting match? Multiple times I’ve gotten antsy when the guide simply would not CLOSE because I was done reading a message so that I could start up on a deathmatch on GTA4. Yet here I am looking at my friends list for 20 seconds just so their gamerpictures could load. Meanwhile, I get killed a few times and as a gaming experience, a little soured from the start.

    It’s a big deal when it’s a humongous, noticeable change compared to the old dashboard if the NXE is taking nearly 20-40 seconds *yes I have reached that long* loading up a menu browsing the marketplace just to buy an arcade game or rent a movie. It is a big deal when the dashboard freezes even if I’m simply browsing from my Friends ‘tab’ to the Inside Xbox tab for 15 seconds just because someone may have signed off and it has to render the images of their avatars…or something. I’m not sure. Heck, it’s annoying enough that even signed offline, the Game/Video Libraries take so long to load everything!

    *directed to Microsoft and the Live Team*
    I mean seriously guys did you all even bother to see if any of this would happen when you released NXE last fall? Are you even paying attention to us? Are you going to actually DO something about it, or are we going to have to do something else to get your attention?

  • F34RL3SS L34D3R

    I have had a bunch of demos and arcade games on both systems. Maybe the XMB loads faster but the over all product is junk. I am just saying that its 10 to 15 seconds. Is it that big of a deal? PS3 chat blows its HOME program is a joke and completely unnecessary. Its a Sims game that blows. I love my PS3 too, but the fact is NXE is far superior and I think we are making to big a deal over 10 to 15 SEC. MAybe its because I started out as a PC gamer and I am used to being patient. I would just rather have the cheating situation handled. Especially on Gears 2, COD 4 5, and Halo. I actually quit playing Gears because I could not get into any fair matches. It makes it difficult to get matched with like players because they cheated there way up there. Bring those a-holes down from there cheated pedestals so they can get their butts handed to them like they should have been in the first place. I put most of the blame on Epic for not paying attention to these exploits.

  • Cardy69

    I am happy an action has been made about cheaters but am more concerned on the speed of NXE as it is so slow! Even if i want to send a message or view my friends list this can take up to 5-10 seconds every time where before it didn’t. Worst is the marketplace, i have given up on using it and use it on xbox.com now. I can wait up to 20 seconds to see the marketplace data when looking on NXE, even movie’s are the same. I feel microsoft’s efforts should be here fixing this also, regards Cardy69

  • VVho Cares

    I’m surprised they are still charging us a fee seeing how they refunded all the PC users that were using the Live service.. Now they get to use it for free. Warranted there are that many games that PC users play against Xbox users on live.

  • SuddleD

    I think the title is a little misleading since no one is actully “banned”, but hey even the Major wants to grab some headlines every once in a while I’m sure. I am glad they are cracking down since I work hard for my gamerscore, but as long as they are not cheating in the online games (multiplayer), I don’t think MS should be putting too much extra effort into this sort of problem….

  • crazyguy24

    Gamerscore = SERIOUS BUSINESS!

  • ANTI DEMON 777

    Now Microsoft is cooking with gas !

    As I always say: Play hard, fair AND LEGIT !

  • jb304life

    Good Job……finally!!

  • Custom Casket

    Look at that, still no reply from MN. Still ignoring the very people that are practically putting your paycheck into your pocket. Without us paying for Live your position would not exist at Microsoft. How about you take care of and/or address the issues we are having with the NXE.

  • Casserole

    Why do they even do it though…they have no value at all, not even to impress… if I were to tell my friends I managed to collect all the parts for my W2000 sniper in Hitman, they’d disown me! The only purpose for me is to keep a record on what I’ve done in the game, which obviously isn’t the case if you cheat.

  • Brainp0wa

    A gamerscore reset is ok for first time offenders I guess, but a console ban for the second would be nice especially if the first ban uses the console’s internal serial number so it won’t matter if they cheat with another account.

  • SetoKaioX

    Isto e muito bom. E complicado você passar horas/dias tentando conseguir conquistas e um zé ninguem tem aumenta 5000G a cada semana.

  • Disneynut68

    Well done Major. Seems like a lot of cheating/glitching is done in GOW2. Keep it up!

  • RabidMaggot

    Great Job! I love seeing cheaters get their just deserts…how about an update on how this is going on a future podcast?

  • GIZmoto

    Lol, sent Cheatermccheat a fiend request via the link why immortalize them Microsoft?