April 28th 2009 5:49 pm PT

Gears of War 2 Achievement Hacking: Banning has begun…

 

As you know, we are committed to keeping Xbox LIVE a safe and fair place to play for the more than 17 million active members. As part of our regular safety monitoring we have pinpointed a group of players who have unlocked specific Gears of War 2 Achievements through an unauthorized hack. Deliberate cheats like these are in direct violation of the Xbox LIVE Terms of Use and will not be tolerated. As I post this, we’ve begun taking steps to reset the Gamerscores of the offending players.  As I have mentioned in the past, this is something we do occasionally to keep the service free of cheating in order to maintain a fair and level playing field for everyone. If you play fair and earn your achievements without glitching or cheating, you have nothing to worry about. Read my original post that shows what a cheater looks like and head over to Xbox.com to read the Gamerscore correction FAQ that may answer some of your questions.

 

Gears of War, Xbox 360 By Larry Hryb, Xbox LIVE's Major Nelson

  • DempsyMac

    Well done! Keep up the good work Major

  • CALZ88

    glad to see ms are cracking down :D

  • Exu

    Plenty goed enough, cheaters should never prosper and it’s good that Microsoft don’t overlook issues like this. I just hope nobody honest gets reset.

  • p0yo77

    good job dude

  • Turtle502

    I’m sure the comments here will be interesting…popping popcorn now!

  • IconicSoulJA

    I doubt any person would disagree with this post or fear being included as a suspect LOL.

  • SteelCity Beast

    Proud to see this! My &%$# Friend just did this and I am always trying to beat him in Gamerscore so its all go… Ya to go Major and Xbox Live

  • longklaw1

    Awesome!

  • ZeroBXU

    I played “Avatar TLA: TBE” for 3 minutes. Will my gamerscore be reset?

  • longklaw1

    Awesome! Keep it up!

  • is not null

    Excellent! You should also mark their profile with a “Cheater” badge.

  • Shadowed Ghost

    In other news, the whaaaaaaaaaambulance is getting busier than normal.

  • Soviet Solace

    I love the smell of Gamerscores being reset in the afternoon.

  • phawx

    Well done.

  • davidkenobi

    Warning E ! I think Major will try to slip your gamertag in the reset operation ! (joke)

    It’s good to know that Microsoft looks after this kind of thing

  • MEXICAN GRUNT

    Why do people always try to do this, I don’t get it.

  • Exu

    @ZeroBXU – That long huh? ;D

    But yeah, I wholeheartedly agree with this. I played hard for my 40k+ and I don’t want some jumped-up little spacker coming along with some ridiculous la-di-da score and a holier than thou attitude.

  • desynch

    woot. that just goes to show you that cheaters never prosper.

  • iGoBeRsErK

    This is using hacking devices right? What if people achievement boost?

  • IconicSoulJA

    I guess I’ll start the “interesting” comments: :)

    So… since Microsoft cheated Lode Runner of good press due to their snafu and non-admittance of their mistake, should they be punished? Just wondering since I’ve yet to see an official response from Microsoft?

    Very unprofessional on Microsoft’s part.

  • a peeking duck

    Wahahahahaha, imagine being one of those idiots and waking up to a zero. :D

  • ElHubcapo

    Good Job!
    Gonna look at my FL to see if anyone has 0 gamerscore lol ;)

  • A Place for Us

    Nice but there are still too many people with consoles connected to Xbox LIVE apparently ‘undetectable’ that can play pirated games. Well, so I read anyway. Anything being done ?

  • SuperDunners

    Gamerscore go bye bye

  • CrunchbiteJr

    Superb.

  • Computerdude103

    psscht whatever if you ask me Microsoft has bigger problems to deal with. It’s not like gamerscore does anything for you anyway. If people are stupid enough to cheat to get it, then that’s their problem. Don’t take time away from developing other things to stop “hackers” who aren’t changing anything that effects anybody else. The only thing I care about is comparing my gamerscore to that of my friends. If somebody else’s is higher than mine I don’t really care. This is just a distraction by Microsoft while they try to make the community forget about the bigger issues out there that need to be dealt with.

  • ezekiel 08

    I know a bunch of cheaters and gamesavers but I wish there was a way to report them. They only gamesave a few hard achievements per game so it looks semi-legit but I know for a fact that they do gamesave, they talk about it all the time in party chat and have 360gamesaves accounts.

    Why can’t I report them? It sucks that they constantly fly under the “reset radar” because they aren’t stupid enough to gamesave 100,000′s GS.

    You need a reporting system I think. Or something that lets us report known gamesavers.

  • Mr Barrel Roll

    Who would feel so desperate for ‘magick Microsoft internet points’ that they would go out of their way to make hacks, instead of, I don’t know, playing the game?!

    …Not that any of this really affects me… I don’t even own Gears 2.

    Just because someone else has more ‘magick’ than me does not make me think any less or more of them. I really could care less how they got those points. So people being banned for this, while not entirely unjust, still seems a little extreme. They’re not hurting anyone or making anyone elses game less fun, right?

  • Turtle502

    waiting for somebody with a ’0′ to post here…

  • AnEternalEnigma

    So wait, the title of your post uses the word “Banning” but your post body says nothing about people being banned.

    Which is it? Are their accounts getting banned or are their gamerscore just being reset?

  • Exu

    @iGoBeRsErK – So long as you boost achievements “legally” then you’re good, it’s using hacks, saves or deliberate exploits that is gonna get you zeroed.
    However if you’re going into, say, public Halo 3 matches and trying to boost then that’s frowned upon too, but since that’s spoiling others’ fun you’re more likely to get a simple ban from matchmaking in that case.
    Bottom line is if you and some mates want to boost achievements then keep it to yourself, if you’re following the rules of the game then you’re not cheating.

    @ezekiel 08 – File Complaint > Cheating. Problem solved.

  • Beyond Genocide

    Good.
    I’m sick of seeing a bunch of glitched level 100′s on Gear of War 2.

  • x LoRD SLoaN x

    Achievement LOCKED.

  • Stepto

    Don’t worry about e’s gamerscore. A) MN would never do that, but more importantly B) I control the hammer. :>

    S.

  • Jambi Bum

    *Does a happy dance* Good job MS.

  • ezekiel 08

    Exu: I know but I’ve filled at least 100 complaints and nothing happens, ever.

  • KIDamazin

    Good riddance, no-life cheaters!

  • ToEvadeSlugs

    No one likes a cheater.

  • Makavelo

    why do people cheat gamerscore anyway? its not like if as bigger your gamescore bigger your balls

  • Matu Flp Krawfe

    Not quite the bloody public display that one such as myself might like but still a great thing to see Xbox live doing on a “group” scale.

  • Dirty8Kv2

    It’s a start. Can you ban gamers with modded controllers next please.

  • Callumpy

    Its about time too

  • SirLagalot

    Now if you all can only find a way to ban lag-switchers.

  • AN1MAL75

    About time…..YA

  • Anonymous

    how did they cheat achievements in gears 2??

  • Anonymous

    @Dirty8Kv2 by modded controllers do you mean things like rapid-fire?

  • Earl Nuce

    Nice. Nothing worse than glichers and cheaters.

  • MrSchmo

    Glad to see this happening.
    Mine are all legit! 55K and counting!

  • Mr Barrel Roll

    Yeah, modded controllers? That’s the sort of stuff MS should be trying to get off of Xbox Live. Those completely ruin the experience for anyone else, while a few extra points of gamerscore does not.

  • Anonymous

    Well, I’m not a cheater (unless you consider boosting “cheating”), but after I played against my brother’s offline account (against my level 31 Gold LIVE account) and he got three achievements randomly (1 for level 5, level 15, & level 25 online), so I was like, “OK…” Then I get off and come back a couple of hours later, and go see my War Journal, and guess what? Everything has been reset back to 0. No more 18,851 (pretty sure) kills going towards Seriously 2.0 No more level 31 (almost 32) towards level 50 (and level 100) online. What kind of BS is this???!!! I know it’s not Microsoft’s fault, but I just find this really frustrating and kind of funny ’cause I feel like Epic doesn’t give a f*** about any of this. If anyone can help, I’d really appreciate it, otherwise I’m selling this POS of a game and buy another, maybe L4D (BTW, I’ve been a supporter for Gears 2 ever since the MP was broken and stood by it patiently waiting for it to be good, but this is just too much).

  • oO MG81 Oo

    Who cares?. The glitch in question was a flaw in Epic’s buggy as hell Gears2 and had no affect on actual gameplay (they even knew about this glitch since Gears1 but failed to patch it!!). This news of Microsoft banning?, resetting scores? (it’s not clear which) has no real affect on anybody. Why don’t Microsoft spend more time concentrating on fixing the broken NXE!!. I’m sick of that thing freezing on me!. Better yet why don’t Epic make a game that isn’t FULL of exploitable bugs!. Microsoft should ban Epic for constantly F’ing up.

  • RebornJeremiah

    I think the focus should be put for the people that lag switching or glitching in the game. I don’t care so much for Gamerscore tampering as long as they play fair in the game but I got really mad when they start using lag switch or tampering with their connection so they can win the game easily. I am pretty sure there has been so many complaints from Gears of War 2 fans out there regarding cheater in the game.

  • Number 905

    Now let’s try caring about games that aren’t part of the Gears of War and Halo franchises.

  • AlexKokonas

    As Marcus would say “Nice Scratch one Grub”

  • SteelCity Beast

    My friend hacked for this achievement HE DOESNT EVEN HAVE THE MAPS!!! and still has the achievement????

  • Sim31

    Does anyone know anybody that has been banned for this yet? Im just curious to see the gamertag profiles on xbox live to just look at the little banner underneath there gamertag that says the cheater thing! That is for GOW2

  • Joergen8

    All efforts towards curbing (curb stomping) cheaters is welcome but in this case I feel Epic is mostly to blame. Their lack of quality control and regard for their loyal fans has poisoned the air around both Gears games for the past three years now. Epic has shoveled glitches and cheats in our faces so much so that for many months the only way to compete in their games was to heavily exploit any of the numerous glitches available.

    For all the times I’ve been lag switched, bridged, weapon slided, crab walked, monkey handed, host quitted and then humped by these brats Epic created I’ve sworn never to touch their products again. I gave them a chance with Gears2 and they pissed all over me and my friends in a way none of us expected in our worst nightmares.

    Gears3 is an absolute, 100% no buy until the bargain bin. I’m sure it cant even be bought second-hand as half the game will be unlocked with a unique one-time key.

  • Major Nelson

    Let me clarify, in the headline for this post I say banning. We’re just doing the gamerscore reset. I wanted to to clarify. We do banning all the time as well, but that’s another story.

  • AlexKokonas

    do they lose all gamerscore or just for gears 2?

  • BROKENRADIO541

    You are banished from the realm! Big brother is watching.

  • DmetallicA

    It’s so funny how they advertise themselves as using the gamerscore glitches on YOUTUBE!!! How can people be SOOO STUPID… lol. They deserve what they get, well done Xbox admins for being on the ball.

  • Honeycut1

    BRAVO! Glad to see something was being done about these folks!

  • Honeycut1

    @AlexKokonas, there is a guy on my friends list that had his entire gamerscore reset because of the Gears 2 glitch. It was dumb for him to it, no reason he can be pissed about it either.

  • Cobra842

    How about requiring game developers to fix glitched achievements and to award players achievements that are unattainable like the one in NBA live 06 that you cant get because the servers are shut down…

  • excommodog
  • Alphos

    http://www.mygamercard.net/leaderboard.php?g=625&

    You have a lot of work banning and reseting XD

  • Jaiyan

    Installing GoW2 to my hard drive at Christmas wiped my gamesave for some bizarre reason. As a result, although I’ve completed all levels on Insane, as half of them were before my profile was wiped I don’t have the Insane completion and a few other achievements that I would have got if my original save wasn’t wiped, and won’t get them unless I complete it on Hardcore and then Insane yet again.

    To be honest I’m not bothered in the slightest :p But still, point remains. Dodgy dashboard coding cheated me *out* of achievements that I’ve earnt, so reset the scores of the relevant Devs :p

  • Exiled Legend

    Me and my bro were playing split screen when I was at his house and he was getting achievements for me ranking up, i hope he doesn’t get punished.

  • Anonymous

    Good. I hate cheaters on games like Gears! >.<

  • Disco Penguins

    My only problem with this whole thing is that someone seems to be pawning this problem on the hackers and game savers, but in reality, Epic knew about this glitch since last November when Gears 2 first came out. The same exact glitch that is used for the level 100s is the same glitch people were using to get Party Like It’s 1999 and Seriously 2.0 back in November and December.

    Personally, I think it’s Epic’s fault. They allowed for the same kind of glitch to happen in Gears 1, and no one did anything about it. Apparently they were able to patch that one, but they’ve let half a year go by before even thinking about fixing this problem.

    In reality, Epic just needs to put a patch out to stop people from doing this, but unfortunately, Gamesavers will always be able to use the already unlocked achievements for their own using.

  • Hawaiian c

    hey what if you was falsely accuse do you keep a record if we can prove it was not us the user i mean if not chee that will suck if the xbox buggs out i mean just saying..

  • Anonymous

    Well… if Epic started fixing the game instead of making it $^&#ier than it is from the start people wouldn’t even think about boosting.

  • Richlough

    What if you don’t get an achievemenet because of a glitch?

    My friend is unable[the game won't let him]to get the Left for Dead ‘Big Drag’ achievement.
    Is there a solution for this?

  • Robert Hathorne

    Isn’t this a little harsh? Shouldn’t the cheaters just get the scores reset for games they’ve cheated in. The punishment doesn’t seem to fit the crime; it’s like a life sentence for petty theft.

  • Sneeches

    got nothing to worry about here, i didn’t glitch for any of my gamerscore. :)

  • wolfzero01

    glad to see this happening, as you have to be a real loser to glitch your way to a higher gamerscore which doesn’t get you anything anyway

  • Logic Squirrel

    muhahaha nice.

  • Gangsta Grillz

    Gow2 is garbage…..

  • WoolyMammoth27

    Am I the only one who hasn’t come across a Level 100 yet? :S

  • Izer

    I’ve seen 5 of them since the “rank” update. I wonder if they are all targeted by this. hahahha :)

  • GoobTuff

    Great news. I always love it when cheaters get what they deserve.

  • Quicksand

    Excellent! Nice to know you guys are watching for that.

  • Custom Casket

    Holy crap, alright. Entirely too many people going along with this.

    HOW ABOUT MICROSOFT FOCUSES ON FIXING THE NXE. I don’t care if it’s your servers or the coding on the NXE. I’d like to have a usable Xbox 360 again. That laggy guide is completely unnacceptable.

    FIX IT.

  • IconicSoulJA
  • MadMojo

    Suckers! Heheh.

  • BeAkErOo

    I don’t think people who got the odd achievement here or there by accident have any worries here people, I think it will be more likely targeting the real glitchers like this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy4SsAQ_aq4&feature=PlayList&p=771B20A8739305BF&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=2

    he sells glitched achievements, making up to $50 for 50k of glitched achievements

    ban those cheating b@$t**d$

  • BeAkErOo
  • WiCkEd Co 80

    LMAO all they way back to ZERO, LOL….I wish I could see their faces

  • SkaMike

    Good to see, Power to the people who actually deserve their gamerscore.

  • MrGreen13

    Good Work..but I would like to see more done about cheaters effecting the actual game play experience on xbox live.

    Still, good to see them doing something to try to make Live a more honest place.

  • threeleggedcow

    Meh, I think MS should focus their time fixing the real issues (the laggy guide!) and the source of this exploit.

  • DontStopMeNow01

    kick A

  • Doctor Seleski

    Other than having a higher gamerscore, what benefits did these gamers get from this glitch?

  • TheBeast2316

    Nice, Don’t cheat and they would not have to take these steps. I think they should be labled cheaters on their gamertags so that everyone who runs into them will know whats up. also it will prevent others from doing it in the futur.

  • Lucky 13 X

    Good work.

  • Wikkiwild1

    This is good news.

  • Surly x Duff

    I’m glad the Xbox team is doing something about this. But honestly, there are a lot of other issues that directly affect user experience that nothing is being done about. These guys glitched to get an achievement and higher gamerscores. Big whoop. How about addressing the broken NXE? The stability issues in party chat? The freezing every time I hit the guide button? The ridiculous wait for arcade game lists to populate? The IP attacks on players using (and paying for) your service?

    This is kinda like giving tickets to jaywalkers when you have looters plundering people’s houses.

    I understand the team at Xbox can walk and chew gum at the same time, but I’d like to see some progress on these other fronts. Or, at least a “hey, we’re working on it, stay tuned.” Right now, we’re not hearing anything.

  • Matu Flp Krawfe

    @Surly x Duff

    Just because a cop gives a few jaywalkers some tickets doesn’t mean that the whole of the police force is preoccupied with that one seemingly trivial task especially when that one task is, by in large, automated.

  • YrX

    lol @ noone on my FR having 0 gamerscore..

  • Mikelarry85

    lol good one mn its beyond me why people cheat why risk cheating to get banned or even worse the gamescore boost you so preciously care about gets reset to zero.

  • MASTER X 84

    Great news !

  • Klister NL

    anyone who has the level100 on gears2 has cheated it. I play the game daily for hours and I have never seen anyone between level 60 to 99… have fun resetting all them cheaters Major!

  • MetalGearFloppy

    Lol… good work Major and crew!
    I’m keeping my eye on the account of a dirty “game-saving” cheater right now… looking forward to seeing his score drop to a big fat zero!!!

  • MartyPG13

    Quote = Surly x Duff: “there are a lot of other issues that directly affect user experience that nothing is being done about. These guys glitched to get an achievement and higher gamerscores. Big whoop. How about addressing the broken NXE? The stability issues in party chat? The freezing every time I hit the guide button? The ridiculous wait for arcade game lists to populate?”

    What he said – the above issues *DO* affect me. I really don’t care if someone glitches some extra gamerscore – seriously who gives a crap?

    But I’m sure Xbox live is so much safer now these people have a zero gamerscore :>

  • XXIPWNZUXX

    Awesome! It’s good to know that you are cracking down on cheaters/hackers! :) Thanks Major.

  • Type 0 x IV

    It’s a good thing to show that any cheating will not be tolerated, but it’d be nice to see something more serious than gamerscore cheating more strictly enforced. Gamerscore cheaters don’t hurt my online experience, someone who forces me out of an online game or sticks me in blackscreen do.

  • Makusensu

    Ya ban Oliv sans E !!! :<

  • I Dj Mo I

    FINALLYYYYYYY !!! Thank you Major, MS, Epic

  • XxLightkunxX

    Hey Major, how about fixing all the glitchers and cheaters on, oh I don’t know, Grand Theft Auto 4, where assholes are able to win a race in .02 seconds? Yeah. What about THAT crap? Nothing’s being done about people like that, and why Gears of War 2 is anything to be mentioned above all the other games is beyond me.

    How about you and your lazy team focus on issues that we actually care about? Like fixing the NXE, laggy guide, the ‘wait, is it loading yet?’ menu lists for EVERYTHING on the Marketplace, connection issues, and horrible lag on everything else?

    We pay you rich pricks every year to help us enjoy your console, and as much as I love you guys, srsly, show us some love once in awhile, god d4mn.

  • XxLightkunxX

    Wait….

    *reads last post*…it censors the word ” D A M N ” but not the other word I used in my post?
    What sort of operation are you running here, Major? *sigh*

  • JJQuantum

    Two big thumbs up to Microsoft for stopping cheaters. Now that you’ve stopped players from taking advantage of glitches in varies software products how about increasing quality assurance in games that are preventing gamers from getting their fairly played achievments. The most recent game being Ubisoft’s H.A.W.X which has taken 195 points from me (not to mention all the points from many other players – check Ubisofts own fourm). Contacting all parties gets the usual finger pionting XBox Live to Ubisoft, Ubisoft to Microsoft, Microsoft back to Live and other variations of the cycle. Help would be appreciated, and thanks again for stopping the cheats.

  • monosocratic

    “Well… if Epic started fixing the game instead of making it $^&#ier than it is from the start people wouldn’t even think about boosting.”

    your logic is faulty. the people that cheat/hack/standby are going to do it no matter what. it’s not Epic’s fault that these people are dickheads.

  • EvertonMonkey

    I cant login to xbox.com today, are there problems ? The sign in link is missing.

  • EvertonMonkey

    No worries its back up now

  • K1LLER HORNET

    hopefully they get everyone who achievement glitched in Gears 2

  • PAT2K9

    Nice. That’s great news.

  • MMC Chandi21

    Please can you ban the others who have glitched their ranks aswell because it annoys me when I see people who’ve got rank 100 and have about 130 gamerscore when they haven’t even played more than 50 rounds. This is surely glitching achievements aswell e.g. reach level 25.

  • NavComm81

    The modified 360′s are all banned in due time. Some people just don’t care about Live though, so that doesn’t affect them.

  • LausDomini

    I suddenly jumped 25 spots on MGC’s leaderboard. Thanks!

  • Twilight Miasma

    If you have to hack just to get some points that are only worth bragging rights, you’ve got way too much time on your hands.

  • a peeking duck

    When you die, nobody at your funeral will say “(s)he died with 1 million gamerscore on xbox live, (s)he will be missed” nor will anybody remember you for that.

  • Custom Casket

    I wonder if MN is actually going to address the fact that several people are constantly bringing up the fact of how crappy the guide is and how it lags. It seems to be ignored every single time. Screw the people who glitched for gamerscore, who cares seriously. How about fixing a service I pay for each year. Any other company would fix it or give me a credit to my account for it. What is Microsoft allowed to do whatever they want and just collect our money? Its time for people to take a stand and tell Microsoft that it is not alright. Its not ok to sit around and ignore our complaints either, that just shows how little this company cares.

  • CaptainKicker

    If “L X360A L Pp Bb” does’nt get he’s score set to zero, i’ll be pissed. That guy helps other people with profile glitching and gamesaving + he did the GoW2 glitches, and a sh*tload of other glitches..

    Cheaters = Losers

  • OROSCO

    Too bad they couldn’t have done something when Castle Crashers was new, and everyone glitched up the leaderboards. I don’t even think they are gonna give out the gold statues for the best players, like they did for Alien Hominid.

  • PRIMETIME3

    Losers are also people that are happy about this. Who cares! You mean theres nothing better they could be doing but looking for people who cheat to get their GS higher..hahah Pathetic.

  • darkjester74

    Just out of curiosity: the headline mentions banning, but Major’s post only pertains to resetting gamerscore. Will the guilty parties actually be banned from XBL, or is the only remediation resetting their gamerscore?

  • Sasco1st

    “Quote = Surly x Duff: “there are a lot of other issues that directly affect user experience that nothing is being done about. These guys glitched to get an achievement and higher gamerscores. Big whoop. How about addressing the broken NXE? The stability issues in party chat? The freezing every time I hit the guide button? The ridiculous wait for arcade game lists to populate?”

    What he said – the above issues *DO* affect me. I really don’t care if someone glitches some extra gamerscore – seriously who gives a crap?

    But I’m sure Xbox live is so much safer now these people have a zero gamerscore :>

    Here here!

  • F34RL3SS L34D3R

    You mean to tell me that people are complaining about the 10 sec load time of their arcade games screens? Are we really in that much of a rush that that’s what we have to complain about. Ever turn on a PS3 EVER? I will take a broken NXE any day. I have had no problems with my NXE. I have never had it freeze and it may take 10 or 15 seconds to load my arcade games but I usually just lift up my leg and let one rip to pass the time. BIG DEAL peeps! As for Party Chat, if its used in game its usually to cheat and let dead team mates tell live ones where we are. I have not had any issues in party chat either. The guide button freezes for 3 seconds. Big Deal. Seriously guys if your gamerscore is above the 20,000 mark you obviously have the time to wait. Everyone who complains about this is still going to log in there 40+ hours a week regardless of the flaws. At least they are starting somewhere. I would rather have a level playing field where it counts than worry about the NXE freezing once every blue moon. If we can deal with it in Windows we can deal with it here. Good Job MS!

  • CovCityFC

    Thing is, its not just Gears2 im sick of other games like Halo where I can head shot someone loads for them to turn around shoot me once and kill me.

  • X3R0 9

    So you reset the gamerscore, whoop-di-friggin-do. It’s called a new account and their right back at their old antics if they want to. All you did was slow them down temporarily, fuel their fire for achievement whoring, and make them want to get that score back. Give them a year, and they’ll be back to around 62k.

    Oh, and as far as the NXE lag…MS can you take a look at your code, memory, and implementation structure before releasing your next console. The reason we’re getting lag is because we’re booting off a hard drive. If we had internal memory, like the arcade units, the NXE speed would be exponentially greater than what it is now. Here’s the process for all you non-savy code guys/gals. You turn on your system, the hard drive has to boot up (stores NXE info), you wait and wait and wait. Reason you’re waiting is because the HDD has to boot up and run its checks, then it has to send the cpu the code to run the NXE. Distance in data transfer compared to real life: for data to move from HDD to cpu is like 1 or two miles (exaggerating). Now if you had internal memory like the Arcade units, data traveling is compared to you going out your front door, and the internal memory boots up the same time the cpu does, unlike the millisecond delay in the external hard drive booting up.

    So please, please, look at your structure before releasing the new system, that way you can eliminate people like myself that hate the load times. My PS3 boots up faster than the 360.

  • Anonymous

    @F34RL3SS L34D3R
    I have a LOT of games & demos bought/downloaded from the PS Store, 34 games – 19 demos and the PS3 loads everything MUCH faster than the 360. Hell, you can go through your lists as soon as the XMB comes up (which is instant too) unlike this 360 which pulls each game up one or two at a time, followed by grabbing the license for them if you have another box which is really irritating (and yes I tried the license tool and the #&$* isn’t working for my 7th replacement).

  • a peeking duck

    COD4 gamers: a patch is almost ready that should help against cheaters.

    http://twitter.com/fourzerotwo/status/1643256975

  • XxLightkunxX

    @F34RL3SS L34D3R

    I don’t really think you understand the extent of the issue *Or you’re just trying to downplay everyone here who has complained on the issues*. What if something were to happen, say, in the middle of a starting match? Multiple times I’ve gotten antsy when the guide simply would not CLOSE because I was done reading a message so that I could start up on a deathmatch on GTA4. Yet here I am looking at my friends list for 20 seconds just so their gamerpictures could load. Meanwhile, I get killed a few times and as a gaming experience, a little soured from the start.

    It’s a big deal when it’s a humongous, noticeable change compared to the old dashboard if the NXE is taking nearly 20-40 seconds *yes I have reached that long* loading up a menu browsing the marketplace just to buy an arcade game or rent a movie. It is a big deal when the dashboard freezes even if I’m simply browsing from my Friends ‘tab’ to the Inside Xbox tab for 15 seconds just because someone may have signed off and it has to render the images of their avatars…or something. I’m not sure. Heck, it’s annoying enough that even signed offline, the Game/Video Libraries take so long to load everything!

    *directed to Microsoft and the Live Team*
    I mean seriously guys did you all even bother to see if any of this would happen when you released NXE last fall? Are you even paying attention to us? Are you going to actually DO something about it, or are we going to have to do something else to get your attention?

  • F34RL3SS L34D3R

    @InfinitProject
    I have had a bunch of demos and arcade games on both systems. Maybe the XMB loads faster but the over all product is junk. I am just saying that its 10 to 15 seconds. Is it that big of a deal? PS3 chat blows its HOME program is a joke and completely unnecessary. Its a Sims game that blows. I love my PS3 too, but the fact is NXE is far superior and I think we are making to big a deal over 10 to 15 SEC. MAybe its because I started out as a PC gamer and I am used to being patient. I would just rather have the cheating situation handled. Especially on Gears 2, COD 4 5, and Halo. I actually quit playing Gears because I could not get into any fair matches. It makes it difficult to get matched with like players because they cheated there way up there. Bring those a-holes down from there cheated pedestals so they can get their butts handed to them like they should have been in the first place. I put most of the blame on Epic for not paying attention to these exploits.

  • Cardy69

    I am happy an action has been made about cheaters but am more concerned on the speed of NXE as it is so slow! Even if i want to send a message or view my friends list this can take up to 5-10 seconds every time where before it didn’t. Worst is the marketplace, i have given up on using it and use it on xbox.com now. I can wait up to 20 seconds to see the marketplace data when looking on NXE, even movie’s are the same. I feel microsoft’s efforts should be here fixing this also, regards Cardy69

  • VVho Cares

    I’m surprised they are still charging us a fee seeing how they refunded all the PC users that were using the Live service.. Now they get to use it for free. Warranted there are that many games that PC users play against Xbox users on live.

  • SuddleD

    I think the title is a little misleading since no one is actully “banned”, but hey even the Major wants to grab some headlines every once in a while I’m sure. I am glad they are cracking down since I work hard for my gamerscore, but as long as they are not cheating in the online games (multiplayer), I don’t think MS should be putting too much extra effort into this sort of problem….

  • crazyguy24

    Gamerscore = SERIOUS BUSINESS!

  • ANTI DEMON 777

    Now Microsoft is cooking with gas !

    As I always say: Play hard, fair AND LEGIT !

  • jb304life

    Good Job……finally!!

  • Custom Casket

    Look at that, still no reply from MN. Still ignoring the very people that are practically putting your paycheck into your pocket. Without us paying for Live your position would not exist at Microsoft. How about you take care of and/or address the issues we are having with the NXE.

  • Casserole

    Why do they even do it though…they have no value at all, not even to impress… if I were to tell my friends I managed to collect all the parts for my W2000 sniper in Hitman, they’d disown me! The only purpose for me is to keep a record on what I’ve done in the game, which obviously isn’t the case if you cheat.

  • Brainp0wa

    A gamerscore reset is ok for first time offenders I guess, but a console ban for the second would be nice especially if the first ban uses the console’s internal serial number so it won’t matter if they cheat with another account.

  • SetoKaioX

    Isto e muito bom. E complicado você passar horas/dias tentando conseguir conquistas e um zé ninguem tem aumenta 5000G a cada semana.

  • Disneynut68

    Well done Major. Seems like a lot of cheating/glitching is done in GOW2. Keep it up!

  • RabidMaggot

    Great Job! I love seeing cheaters get their just deserts…how about an update on how this is going on a future podcast?

  • GIZmoto

    Lol, sent Cheatermccheat a fiend request via the link why immortalize them Microsoft?

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