May 7th 2009 10:28 pm PT

nice!

I, for one, do not care about this game or its DLC anymore and I have purchased all of it. I have spent more hours troubleshooting this game than actually playing it. Multiple re-installs, corrupted saves,frustrating phone calls to support, ect. This is not fun for me, I play games to relax not to work.

“we are committed to delivering quality game experiences on Xbox LIVE and Games for Windows”

I guess this doesn’t apply to the guide…

Agreed. I love my Xbox. But I HATE when i press the guide button and it freezes for 20 seconds. Invite some one. 30 seconds wait till in unfreezes. I even sometimes have to pull my controllers battery pack out so it forces the guide to go away. FIX THIS!

Pathetic. The problems that have faced The Pitt and Broken Steel are embarassing. Someone at Bethesda’s QA needs to be fired.

Major, what about the same achievement problem with PC version of Fallout 3? It isn’t fixed yet.

Major, you need to explain the recovery options and possible repercussions due to doing this. will this hose saved games or screw up any dlc/downloads people have done in the past?

@rogXue – Gamertag Recovery will have no affect on DLC or save games, it will however reset any achievements that were not accounted for on Live. So, recovery will correct the issue in Fallout 3 by allowing you to recomplete the achievements after recovery. This is only a big issue if you don’t save often. I ran through this procedure this morning and luckily had saves just prior to the 3 mission-based achievements for Broken Steel so I could complete thoes again quickly, then reload my current save and continue my game unhampered. If you do not have saves allowing you to quickly regain thoes missing achievements then there may be a bit of work for you to do. Hope this helps.

Hey Major, I am not sure how to do this sort of, but maybe its your wording lets just say you said to update your card by recovering it i am not sure how to do this sort of thing because i am not though the game yet.. Does this mean this trick wont work if you do it right away or do you have to do it earn the achivements and see if it works if it doesnt then just recover your gamertag then see if it works? or is it just something to deal with the game? so we wont hear if we earned it or not.. ether way i am confused.. lol

@UberToast Dude are you saying we should just recover our gamertag after each mission?? and reload them missions and see if we gain the achivements serouly this is bull if we have to do this.. Serouly think they need to get there acted togather if this is going to happen over and over again.. or fix it so it will populate the achivements time like the last ones..

Yet another post filled with complaints about the Guide issues.

GONNA ACKNOWLEDGE IT YET MAJOR NELSON?

We’re ALL sick of the damn lag with the NXE. Stop ignoring us.

When I try recovering my gamertag, it says Xbox sign up is unavailable…. Do I like have to delete my gamertag from my hard drive or something?

Nope. All you need to do it press the guide button and press X to sign out. When selecting to sign in a gamertag simple scroll all the way to the left and select recover tag instead of an actual gamertag, boviously you will need to know your Hotmail addy and password. It will download your tag to you and it will also use upto date information on all achievements present on the servers at this time. (Just watch a TV program for an hour, tops). Granted if you have passed over the particular achievement it will dissappear and you will have the pleasure for furfilling it again and the rest of the game should play out as designed. In short, a one time fix.

Is there any advantage for me to redownload this for my 360?

Fixed? I wouldn’t call being forced to delete my recent achievements and then having to go back and REDO them “fixed”.

That’s not an acceptable solution and you sure as hell better have a patch coming to actually fix this.

Every Fallout thing has had some problems so far

Fix Fallout, but don’t fix how the Guide system you and your team have built freezes every time I try to access it. Nice.

Well this doesn’t work for me.
I recovered my gamertag and it hasn’t updated my cheebles.

Surely there’s a better fix for this problem?

How long does this recovery usually take? I’m going on half an hour here. That seems pretty weird for such a small file. I don’t want to be unruly or nasty about it, but I am having issues with the guide as well. And since the last dashboard update some of my games installed to the hard drive don’t run as well.

wow, good thing my guide button works. as do all my fallout chevos since I recovered my GT. Keep up the good work.

Recover gamertag, reload old save game, enjoy dlc. Seems pretty easy to me.

Well, the problem was/is on the MS side of things.
As for having go replay the stuff just to unlock the achievements, that’s not a very good solution.
Finally, everyone complaining about the NXE’s lagging with the dashboard/quick guide, every announcement or piece of information Major posts is not the time to complain about it. I bet that you don’t even know WHY it happens. I do, and I think it’s guide horrible. They made it so only the minimal information is held on the system, forcing the XBox to re-download and verify the information you are looking at. Your friends gamer pics, avatars, status (the only one that makes since IMO), download history, ect is downloaded from the Live servers when needed. Pre NXE, only the download history needed to be downloaded, and the dashboard before the background downloading had all that info stored on the users storage device. The fix is rather nasty though, because then users need to give up storage space to store the information on the HDD, which over time can be quite large. Best option IMO, release an update with the option to store things on the system. Allow the user to set a limited amount of space for information, and the problem becomes managed.
And anyone who wants to go off saying “I have a fast connection, that’s not the reason why it’s slow!,” try recovering your gamertag. I only use about a 20MB for mine, and if I recover it on any connection it takes about 20 minutes. Constant verification and authorization slows the whole process down. It took about 18 minutes at my sisters place and she has a 20Mbit down connection. Some marketplace browsing was improved, but not even close to a big difference. At most about 4 seconds.
The NXE obviously uses the space previously used for that information, (especially when it needed at least an additional 128MB storage just to install) and I must say that I would happily allocate 1GB of additional space to keep things running “quick.” A similar process could be used for all the stuff on storage devices with opening the games library or videos library. A file listing the content on the drive, and where it is at the end of the drive with a pre set space would speed things up but use space. It’s a trade off, and I wouldn’t mind loosing up to a total of 2.5GB space fro everything to be speed up.

recover gamertag, redo 6+ hours of gaming because even though i already earned the achievements, i now have to re-earn them (and if you read the bethesda forums, there are quite a few of us who have to re-arn the achievements).

also, the achievement problem is STILL present on the Games for Windows Live side – I can’t believe your people were tackling this on the 360 and didn’t think to – DUH – let’s check and see if the problem exists on the PC too?
no, that would be too much, wouldn’t it.

Wow, just recovered my gamertag, still didn’t get the achievements :/

You’re lucky Broken Steel is fantastic otherwise I’d be pissed to play it through again.

Hah. This sounds like the crap Microsoft did when they released the 360. They KNEW there was going to be a high rate of console failures (3 RROD) but they released it anyway flawed. Now we have the jaspers floating around and so far they seem good. How about we get a fix rolling for the NXE? I can surely tell you its not my consoles. I have guide lag issues on a brand new 360 resident evil edition and on my other elite. I have 20mbps fios service as well, so the issues sure as hell aren’t on my end. I don’t give a damn about blah blah blah Microsoft has so many users pulling data at once. You get $50 a year from all the gold members, its way more then enough money to have the backend server support along with the pipes needed to push all the data. Once again though, with any large company they can practically get away with anything they’d like to until someone files a class action lawsuit. As I’ve suggested before, we all need to pull together and tell Microsoft that it’s not alright to take our money and give us some half assed product. 30+ seconds of my console locking up every time I pull up the guide in game is complete horse crap and anyone who says it’s just fine is a complete moron. The issue is out there, how many people complain a week about it and MN just ignores us? Come on people, lets do something.

Lol, Broken Steel was indeed “Broken”. Very disappointing.

^Agreed with Custom Casket^

I agree, fix the NXE guide issue! Fix it NOW!

I agree, the guide is crap. Atleast acknowledge it, Im experiencing 30+ second lag times in and out of the guide.

Hey guys, don’t you have a forum or something to go whine about the NXE?

My question remains unanswered, buried beneath your rabble:

Is there any reason for me to redownload this if I have the 360 version???

“Agreed. I love my Xbox. But I HATE when i press the guide button and it freezes for 20 seconds. Invite some one. 30 seconds wait till in unfreezes. I even sometimes have to pull my controllers battery pack out so it forces the guide to go away. FIX THIS!”

Amen to that, I thought it was just me, but it looks like everyone is having issues.

Games for Windows LIVE achievements still messed up. The DRM was fixed not the game or the achievements. Sad. Great way to advertise broken content.

major like i said there needs to be a compensation as you said “we are committed to delivering quality game experiences” so far the developers and publishers arnt appear to be thinking of something else.. major you as a voice for the consumers and voice of Microsoft you need to set a consequences for both “developers and publishers” if issues happens. its up to you major or to ever the adviser that need to deal the issues.

major im not saying its MS fault nore developers and publishers but if consumer has to deal the big issue like this its the eyes is on MS not the developers and the publishers, its going affect you to major. im just saying every one has to do its part and if someone screw up someone has to pay and not just a fix. im saying all this be-cause i never seen any compensation done, only once or twice for the amount of bugs that happen over the xbox live lifetime and i think there should be a new rule about it.. truste me its going to help you and use the fans alot better i mean do the gt recover and redownload??? thats a big issue.

I’m sorry but Major i find it absolutely HILARIOUS you only pop on your own site to go “oops lol sorry guys I typo’ed something. FIXED” or, things like this.

Also how it always without fail starts as “As you know, we are committed to delivering quality game experiences on Xbox LIVE and Games for Windows – LIVE. After receiving reports of errors with (insert random error that barely the majority would care about) on Games for Windows – LIVE, our technical team removed the file from Games for Windows – LIVE Marketplace and worked to quickly resolve the issue.” and yet you guys don’t work “quickly” to resolve ALL of the issues that us, your paying customers, care about?

Guide Lag, Avatar issues, the fact there is a large ****ing blob on the screen in the background that has bastardized my previous themes I purchased and I feel I should still be able to use them OR get a long-overdue refund in Microsoft Points FOR the themes I purchased: THESE ARE THE THINGS WE CARE ABOUT MAJOR NELSON AND WE THE GAMERS WANT THESE THINGS FIXED. IT HAS BEEN AWHILE SINCE THE START OF THESE ISSUES WERE ADDRESSED, HOW ABOUT TELLING US YOU’LL FIX THEM OR AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU CARE?

Okay..caps-lock-only-rant done, I really hope your “team” can pull your heads out of your a$$es for one minute to give us gamers what we really want.

I think I started a revolution rofl.

The guide issues are first and foremost. Seriously, you can’t charge people a monthly access fee to something that locks up on you constantly in-game. I would expect these “guide” lockups to occur on something such as a PS3 where it is not a paid network. I pay you bastards $150 a year for my 3 accounts, and this is the treatment I get?

You’re supposed to be our voice Major Nelson, why don’t you heed some of our words and try to help us out. You have the job you have because we pay for an online service that your company offers. Shouldn’t you be acknowledging our issues instead of ignoring them?

Recovering my Gamertag takes over 2 hours, and I’ve had to do it multiple times due to Xbox Live becoming unavailable near the end of the process and having to start over from zero. I’m once again near the start of the process. No gaming for me on my night off work it looks like, this will be going until it’s time for bed, and that’s if it works this time.

@dark knight

The Recovery takes me more than 1 hour, WHEN IT WORKS. Most of the time it aborts after 40 Minutes and then I have to redo everything.
But this is really no fix. I have to redo all the missions and you call this a fix. LOL

And do something about the laggy marketplace and guidebutton. It can`t be real that the more you buy or download on marketplace, the more it lags. I bought more than 75 Arcadegames and very often it freezes in the dashboard for more than 40 seconds. And it takes 1-3 minutes in the marketplace, that i can click download “xxx”.

All the guys who have the same issue, just test it by creating a new account and you will see, that there are no lags. Everything is related to the items you purchased.

Cheers

I got my Gamertag to recover during the second attempt, which took just under three hours. I spent a total of just over 5 hours doing this tonight, and it was in the middle of the night. I have a feeling it wouldn’t have worked at all during the day when Live is being used even more. I’ve now spent the last hour trying to get all my Fallout 3 Broken Steel achievements back, achievements that many gamers probably will never get, either cause they don’t realize they didn’t get the score, or cause they don’t know the solution, or cause they begin the recovery process and can never get it to work, which has happened to many, and if they do get it to work, some people lose their saves cause they somehow become disassociated, and I’m very thankful that didn’t happen to me,

I hope a ton of people have problems, especially with the recovery process due to this absolute mess, and Microsoft actually has to change and fix stuff, cause the way this is setup now is NOT how a paid service (with tons of paid DLC being messed up) should be run.

Major don’t you think it time to come out from under the rock you have been hiding under and actually address some of the justified criticicsm justifyably aimed at you? A lot of people are sick and tired of your none commital response on a range of issues. We are tired of hearing that things have been brought up with the “relevant parties” then when it happens again we get the same reply where as on other issues you blindy ignore. How many times have we had this. As a person high up in the chain of things, supposedly the champion to our course I’ve noticed a big decline in how things get done and when they are brought up they are edited etc…

Can you address the community here or in a podcast over the following and what Microsoft is actually doing about it

1. Parity in some form across the xbox live community
2. Guide lockups

Major don’t you think it time to come out from under the rock you have been hiding under and actually address some of the justified criticicsm justifyably aimed at you? A lot of people are sick and tired of your none commital response on a range of issues. We are tired of hearing that things have been brought up with the “relevant parties” then when it happens again we get the same reply where as on other issues you blindy ignore. How many times have we had this. As a person high up in the chain of things, supposedly the champion to our cause I’ve noticed a big decline in how things get done and when they are brought up they are edited etc…

Can you address the community here or in a podcast over the following and what Microsoft is actually doing about it

1. Parity in some form across the xbox live community
2. Guide lockups

So what…Its not even going to be fixed? there just going to tell people, YA we know its broken but just go and recover your GT and play through it again so we dont have to fix it for real. Screw that,If thats how it will be handled you can be damned sure i will never buy DLC for any beth game again.

Lets not blame only bethesda maybe this wouldnt be a problem at all if microsoft allowed dev’s to actually patch there game as it needs instead of giving them ridiculously small file size for the fixes.

Wow, thanks for all your help guys. Really, I mean it.

major-just wondering,but Microsoft are usually quite strict with anything that gets released on the marketplace,and they go through testing…what happened with The Pitt and Broken Steel?,were they still tested and the problems were missed or did they both miss testing altogether?
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i just started the first of the 3 DLC last night,so i should be cool for achievements now,right?
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and sorry but yeah i agree with the majority of people on here,the guide/NXE all keep freezing,the friends list takes so long to appear…i had no problems whatsoever with the Blade system
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the marketplace items takes awhile to appear also

Mr Barrel Roll-no you dont have to redownload the DLC…if you havent started the DLC yet,you should be fine(i am hoping anyway because i am in that boat)

I`m recovering my gamertag right now and I am at approx. 75 percent…

AFTER 1 and a half hour!!!!!!!!!!!!

@barrel Roll
Why are you asking if there is an advantage in redownloading? It`s explained in Majors post that you have to recover your GT and do everything again, if your achievements are broken.

THANK YOU

Note to self: Act polite and everyone ignores you, act like a prick and everyone lines up to help!

*And thus, another internet troll was born.*

Oi fix the PC Achievements!

And also, sort the guide out, and bring back the old marketplace, it was so much smoother than the new marketplace. It takes forever for the content to load up

Major’s post is slightly incorrect. When you recover your gamertag, it will tell you specifically that any achievements you’ve earned while offline will be lost… and this is what happens to the Fallout 3 Broken Steel achievements. You have to recover your gamertag, then you have to redo the content from a previous save to unlock the achievement.

So they’re not “Already saved to your xbox 360″ because they’re saved in your gamer profile which you are erasing and redownloading.

Do you guys need some cheese with that whine?

First of all I’d like to say thanks for the quick fix Major and Team, some of us appreciate your hard work.
Secondly, for the few who it didn’t work, sometimes it takes for you to delete your tag first before recovering it. Do please be careful to select ‘delete profile only!’ and then do the recover process. Yes, it also takes me in the region of an hour but hell just watch a TV program whilst you wait or something.
Lastly. OMG Guys! Do ya’ll want some cheese with your Whine! (Okay the guide thing is a legitamate beef but do you all need to infect every thread with it?). So what you have to play 15 minutes of game again, I have played over 400 hours of this game and play it every possible differant way with differant character. If you look at the achievements then to get them all you have to play it 3 times anyway!

@James in STL! – LOL, talk about coincidence! We must have both been thinking the same thing at once and both had the stones to say it!

I’ve got a level 20 character that is at the beginning of Death From above,& I’m currently playing a new character who is at the very beginning of the game (level 5), so does that mean I would need to recover my gamertag, or would I be okay?

Wow is there some angry people on here. I have not had the issue that others have as far as the achievements. Fallout does lockup occasionally as well as weird glitches but no surprise to me after I put in 80 plus hours in Oblivion when it came out and still can not do the Thieves Guild quest line due to a glitch. In the end though, I loved that game and love Fallout so a glitch here and there for such a massive open world game does not bother me. I just save periodically beyond the auto-saves.
As for NXE, boy I wish they would fix the lag issue when it is pulling data down and I have FIOS so it is not my connection but in the end I bet they are working on it and I love the new interface. Screaming out Major Nelson will not fix it any faster and I am sure he has passed along the message to those who can.
My suggestion to Major is to just do an acknowledgment post of NXE lag and let us know why and what is the current plan even though you can not go into details.
Now I do not know about you guys, but I have some more Broken Steel to play through. Thanks Bethesda and Microsoft for providing extra DLC for us to purchase and enjoy and just know that a good number of us know you guys are probably hard at work working at issues that crop up.
I will gladly pay $50 for Gold over the free PSN service. Free would be nice but not at the expense of losing features that your rivals do not have.

“Okay the guide thing is a legitamate beef but do you all need to infect every thread with it?”

As the person who brings it up in nearly every blog (thx for trying to steal the credit Custom Casket!), my answer would be “yes”. The guide and all of its features are what set the 360 apart from the PS3 online service. When you have to wait 20-30 second just for your guide to load or even disappear, it becomes pointless you use. I paid $50/year for this. I expect it to work properly.

I’m sure one day MS will release a fix and Major Nelson will begin his blog post like this one and add that it has only affect a small percentage of users. Both of which are untrue.

“Do you guys need some cheese with that whine?”

Do you want butter on your corn?

I find it weird that a lot of the commenters here are so off topic and seem to think Major Nelson runs all of Microsoft’s Xbox division or something =p

Actually getting back the the topic at hand, can one recover their gamertag via the Windows client? I started into the game last night on PC, had the first achievement unlocked on screen but it’s not on my account on Xbox Live (not did I receive the points for it). From what I’ve read here and elsewhere, it seems like the solution is to recover my gamertag and redo everything… can anyone confirm that something like that works on the PC version like it does on the 360?

@all the people screaming “stop whining” on here and “don`t be so offtopic”

MN is our connectionpoint to MS. And there are problems with the Xbox. But there is no statement, no answer, nothing. So what should we do in your opinion? Shut up and enjoy the crap???? No.
That`s why we (and the we is not a small number of people) will complain over and over again until there comes some response or it gets better.

Hey Major Nelson,

Please can you advise how us PC gamers can recover our gamertags as the achievements can be earnt but do not show up as part of our gamerscore card at all. Only if you compare them against a friend can you see them at all.

Thanks

It really would be nice if the Major would ever respond to our real concerns, but he never will. I doubt he’s even allowed to address us individually. It’s farking sad.

Wow… So much for the retro fix huh?
You know, maybe if MS would listen to the gamers and change how they handle DLC this achievement problem would not be present in a large number of DLC releases. Stop treating DLC like the retail game, it is not. It is an expansion, it is a separate game and should be treated as such. Retail games never have these problems, if DLC had it’s own set of achievements that weren’t added to the Retail game’s total, this problem would never happen.
On top of that, why have the game companies been allowed to go crazy with DLC and achievements lately? It’s insanely annoying. Maybe if a company would take their time and make a solid game the DLC would sell even without extra achievements. Allowing all these shoddy companies to use achievements as a selling point is fubar.

I also experience the guide lag issue, it’s been getting progressively worse over the past few weeks. My guess is my HDD needs to be defraged. Oh wait, that’s not possible. Why is that? Again, a clear case of MS ignoring gamers and their needs and real complaints. You include a defrag utility in every version of Windows, yet you feel we don’t need one for our HDD on the 360? I’m beginning to wonder if I made the right choice in the 360 over the PS3 and if I should trade my 360 in for a PS3.

Do people actually buy anything Bethesda puts out on the first day anymore? Brave, brave souls.

yes plz FIX the DASH

since trying this all my fallout 3 data has been lost. its frustating but im sure ill eventually go back to starting again.

Damn you people are harsh, yeah Im mad too lol but geez calm down. Lame that if we didnt have a prior save to do “Take It Back” all over to do Broken Steel and being able to use your built character, ur screwed. Now most people have to start a whole new character (profile) just to get achievements that we already earned. DAM!

We’re harsh because we expect MS to be on the ball with the release of products and have them working on the day they release?
What if you bought a car, filled the gas tank and found the gas wasn’t registering on the fuel gauge. You contact the dealership and are told you must wait, for an undisclosed amount of time, and your fuel gauge will start working eventually. Then finally one day the dealership contacts you and says your fuel gauge is working now, but to see the fix, you must drain all gas from your car and refill it. Would you find this acceptable? I personally would not find a single part of this acceptable and would be getting refund fully immediately after finding out the fuel gauge was not working properly.

@Sinistral:

Fallout 3 automatically creates a save right before you make your final “choice” in the rotunda. The only reason you wouldn’t have a save is if you explicitly deleted or saved over it.

thanks a lot MS & bethesda, I redownloaded broken steel and recovered my account, RE-DID the missions for the achievements, and the gamerscore still doesn’t get updated.
maybe MS & bethesda should learn the meaning of “testing” before releasing another product.

DO NOT RECOVER YOUR GAMERTAG!!!!!

I did this after reading this here and now the achievements are gone on my console, too. The only way to get them back (maybe) is to start over in Fallout 3 because I have no savegame from before Broken Steel.

@Priest: I recovered mine, it worked perfectly. I had plenty of gamesaves (in fact I had one right before the very final action in “Death From Above” so I didn’t have to repeat that. If you recovered your gamertag and suddenly all your achievements are gone – it didn’t recover correctly.

The dumb factor is that if we dont have the correct save point in the game, we have to make another character just to get the broken steel achievements…F*ck!

@Mr Barrel Roll

>Note to self: Act polite and everyone ignores you, act like a *** and everyone lines up to help!

*And thus, another internet troll was born.*

Ever heard of the xbox.com forums? GREAT way to go elsewhere and post topics in case this, Major Nelson’s site, doesn’t do well to inform you of what you want.

Instead of you know..trying to look cool by semi-talking-to-yourself as if you’re more important than anyone else by fake-reminding yourself on how to act here on the site. Cuz THAT is obviously a real cool and popular idea on the internets in order to win.

Also Major, funny how, even though I have no knowledge *or do not own* Fallout 3 or any of its DLC…that with this “fix” it seems nothing at ALL has been indeed fixed at all. I can’t believe the number of complaints on the process or the “broken” content alone.

Good God Major, do you think you’re losing your touch? Oh no wait, MS apparently has.

Major, has anyone suggested to the Achievement gurus that go through and award the first one/two story-related achievements to people whose profile shows they have the third (or second) story achievement (i.e. got it console-only, and lost it during GT recovery)?

Now we all know why it’s called “broken” steel. The achievements unlocked in game and they were saved on my console, but the gamerscore was not added and the achievements were not on xbox.com. Now after I recovered they are neither on xbox.com nor my console.

I’ll add my voice, Major you should have indicated that doing this will REMOVE your achievements not FIX them.

This has happened in the past (can’t remember which game, sorry) and when left long enough the scores sorted themselves out eventually without any of this. What’s up this time?

Plus I’ll add my voice to the complaints about NXE. It’s shockingly slow 90% of the time I even open my friends list and the marketplace is becoming a no-fly zone as it takes up to a minute now just to bring up lists. My download history shows about 800-900 items. A second profile with 0 items does the same task instantly. My connection is 20Mb but that obviously makes little difference.

Finally, howsabout some acknowledgement for those with multiple consoles. I have two and it’s an increasing pain to juggle the licenses for DLC. Even though technically my GT has a floating license many XBLA games seem to ignore this and always open as trials requiring me to go through the 1 minutes wait to bring up the “unlock full game” option and re-download it EVERY time I play.

At the moment allowing you to activate DLC on multiple consoles is the one thing Sony have gotten right with the PS3, bring it to 360 as well, PLEASE!

And on and on. License transfer tool. When my 360 went in for repairs one SOME of the licenses were transferred so my XBLA problem is actually true on both of my consoles and I can’t do anything about it because the online transfer just says “this was done as part of the service” which is wasn’t.

Thanks.

And now serious issues are occurring with LIVE. I strongly suggest you guys get this straightened out quickly. This is not PSN, I pay for my subscription to LIVE and I will not continue to do so if MS can’t run the servers properly.

Another lovely ontopic discussion I see. I think this is why The Major doesn’t have a forum.

My thought is that Bethesda would garner a boatload of community respect if they simply renamed the DLC “Fixed Steel”. I hope it was at least discussed….

I think MS must be run like a zoo… hear me out on this. Their support staff are as slow as sloths, and at the mention of guide issues MS puts their heads in the sand just like an ostrich…all so they can avoid the 1000 pound gorilla in the room (i.e. guide issues). Maybe they should go into business making horse blinders, as the one’s they’ve got the Major wearing must be top of the line. I find it hard to believe that they haven’t seen the massive negative feedback related to guide lag… on this site alone there are pages and pages of it in almost every post. Maybe if MS stays REALLY still… maybe we’ll all just lose interest and give up.

I hope that we’ll see a fix for the guide… but I won’t be holding my breath.

Umm… The PC achievements ARE NOT UNLOCKING!!! This is ridiculous!! It is not fixed on the PC side.

confirmed, achievements on the PC DO NOT REGISTER.
you get the unlocked crap, but your gamerscore doesn’t get updated nor your online achievements list.
seriously MS & Bethesda, if you’re gonna blab around of how you want the best live service for everyone, start by decently testing prior to release. the amount of issues Fallout3 has had is just ridiculous, and every update patch just made the stability issues worse.
this yet again shows MS doesn’t do crap for Games for Windows LIVE.

Im simply not touching fallout untill there is an alternate way of this being fixed, I want the achvmnts on MY character, and just cause I dont have the right save at the right time, what I have to make a 2nd character? wtf!

How about fixing the complete slow and crippled NXE?

I haven’t downloaded BS for my Xbox at all. If I get it now and get the achievements, will I still have to recover my GT and replay it, or will it already work? I just want to know that before I download the DLC.

How about fixing Account recovery. Thanks for the broken fix for the broken DLC.

So no word yet about the recovery issue eh? Glad I read through these comments after I tried and couldn’t recover coz signup was down or whatever….if this does take away achs, that is super lame. Achievements may not mean anything to some people, but alot of us like them, and if MS can’t get them to work right, what was the point of having them to begin with?

Okay, well I had to recover my GT anyhow since when I first started yesterday, it went a bit, then the signup went down an stayed down other times….tha’s when I came here to check things out. After fully recovering today, I haven’t lost any achievements, but I did not get the one back that I earned, as was supposed to happen. How the hell can I have Shock Value and Who Dares Wins, but not Death From Above? Mr. PR dude, tell people to get their shit into gear. I know you’re only the voice, but be the voice of us gamers too, not just the voice of MS.

your not the only one. My Achievements didn’t get added either. So now i have to go back and play through Broken Steel once again. Again AWESOME FIX! MS Needs to get their heads out of their asses or the next gen of consoles they will be in the same boat Sony is in right now. Look where arrogance and ignorance got them.

I’ve recovered my GT on GFWL FIVE times now, each time going back to my saves I have just before I unlock the achievements, each time I go online my gamerscore gets put back.
it’s quite clear what’s going on here, the GFWL client doesn’t properly register the achievements and even overwrites the local data with the data scraped from xbox.com

and instead of communicating even a little, bethesda and microsoft are acting like their nose bleeds, even going as far as to LIE TO THE PRESS that the issues have been fixed!

this is precisely why people are moving away from Microsoft products in general: the persistent mentality of releasing unfinished products with a mentality that you can fix it later.

Honestly, issues like this have flat out convinced me to not even bother with Games For Windows LIVE any more. It’s not supported by developers, and apparently not even Microsoft themselves care enough to maintain the service.

There’s a reason why Steam is your biggest competition for a unified PC platform, Microsoft. Try looking into it.

I’m having no luck with the game on games for windows live. not cool zeus. It says I have 2 unavailable achievements, unlocked some, but got no gamerscore for it. ugh

Achievements are still broken on the PC/Games for Windows Live. Major, is there anyway you can let the right people know and then get back to us with a status update? I have yet to see any official response/acknowledgement of this. A community manager on the Bethesda forums said they didn’t handle gamerscores and that we should deal with GFWL support (http://www.bethsoft.com/bgsforums/index.php?s=&showtopic=988239&view=findpost&p=14309742). To me this is an unbelievable response, and I really hope they aren’t leaving it up to individual gamers to sort this issue out. That’s a little insulting after all we’ve been through just to get the DLC up and running. So how about it Major? Any way you could help the Games for Windows Live gamers our here and let somebody know that there is STILL a problem, and it’s with the PC achievements? Thanks…

By the Bethesda people:
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“We don’t control gamerscores/gamertags, this is a Microsoft-specific issue, so you’ll need to work with the support team for Games for Windows LIVE.

http://gamesforwindows.com/en-US/Support/Pages/default.aspx

If I find out any information that would be helpful to you guys, I’ll let you know.”
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how the frak are we supposed to feel about such a worthless response? instead of actually helping they’re just shoving us to people who will shove us right back to bethesda, pushing us in a vicious circle.
us PC gamers paid 800 MSP for this DLC.
for that 800 MSP we expect all the advertised features.

MS or bethesda, stop acting like your nose bleeds and make it frakking happen!

Good news guys,

PC Achievements are now working properly. But you need to re-earn them though. All I did was sign into GFWLIVE within Fallout 3 and my glitched achievement had vanished then I reloaded my save just before I earnt it and its working properly now.

We need to thank gamertag “e” as he is the man who fixed this apparently.

Thanks

http://forums.gamesforwindows.com/t/4202.aspx?PageIndex=2

i just did what you said to do to get the other achievements that I’ve got but it wiped them so i have to do them all over again but i don’t have a save with the right information on it . thanks a lot . the achievement information said i was 64 of 64 achievement’s but know it say’s I’m 62 of 64 …
not happy. thanks

I can confirm that PC achievements are working now. If you’re playing through Broken Steel for the first time, you’ll have no troubles at all.

If, like me, you unlocked one (or more) of the achievements while they were broken, you’ll have to do the PC version of recovering your gamertag, like Major Nelson recommended to 360 users once the issue was fixed for them.

On PC, bring up the Games for Windows Live overlay, sign out, click on Delete Profile and delete your gamertag profile.

This only deletes the profile from your PC. Your saved games are still intact. [ Save games are saved in a folder like: C:\Users\windowsusername\Documents\My Games\Fallout3\Saves\gamertag ]

Once that’s done, sign back into your gamertag. It will have to download your info (past achievements etc) from the Live servers and then you have to replay whatever parts of the game you’ve done in order to get the achievements again. I know, it’s sad times =(

The game automatically creates a save for you just before entering the final room at the end of the original Fallout 3 story. That’s the save game I used to go back to the beginning of Broken Steel.

This was just a bonkers solution that would NEVER work.

If your local profile is the only one showing the achievements how is deleting it and downloading the online one, which doesn’t have them, ever going to magically make them appear?

I’ve answered my own question haven’t I? Magic? I don’t believe in it though so maybe that’s why mine didn’t work, dang