March 20th 2013 9:50 am PT

Xbox 360 at PAX East 2013

As you get ready to map out your plan of attack on the Boston Convention Center this week for PAX East 2013, be sure to include the Xbox Booth #524 where you’ll find the latest and greatest gaming and entertainment experiences for spring and summer in one huge space.

 

Below is an overview of Xbox activities at PAX East. For more detailed PAX East info, download the Guidebook app on your Windows Phone!

Hands-On Gaming (Xbox Booth #524)

Dance Central 3: Dance Central 3, from the #1-selling dance franchise for Kinect is back at PAX East in a big way! Stop by the Xbox booth and take the Dance Central stage to cut a rug to your favorite songs. From disco grooves of the 70’s to current chart-topping dance hits, you can find a beat to shake your money-maker in front of thousands of your closest friends.

Halo 4 (Castle Map Pack): Come play Castle Map Pack, the first consumer hands-on experience at PAX East! The War Games Map Pass allows players to extend their gameplay experience with new locations and bonus content (2 unique helmets and an emblem). The Castle Map Pack is the third of the series, offering larger, more open spaces, in three very different settings and map styles. Castle map pack introduces nine new achievements, three new maps, and a new “Castle DLC” playlist.

Gears of War: Judgment (Maxim Map Pack): Microsoft, Epic Games and MAXIM are delivering even more adrenaline-fueled action to Gears of War fans with the upcoming post-launch release of two free, MAXIM-sponsored multiplayer maps – Haven and Capitol – as well as a new mode called “Execution.” First consumer hands-on experience at PAX East! For more details including a first look at Haven, head over to Maxim Online at www.maxim.com/gow-haven.

Xbox LIVE Arcade Games:

The Xbox booth has four addictive titles that are sure to keep you coming back for more! Be sure to stop by and check out a diverse range of games – from motorbikes to mindless zombies, platforming to poker, the Xbox LIVE Arcade team and the awesome developers behind each title are ready to provide you with innovative, fun, and challenging games for you to check out!

Max: Curse of the Brotherhood

Motocross Madness

State of Decay

World Series of Poker: Full House Pro

Xbox Games for Windows 8:

Adera

Disney Fairies: Hidden Treasures

Endless Skater

Gunpowder

Gunstringer

The Harvest

Monsters Love Candy

Solitaire

Taptiles

Special Events and Panels

Halo Team Autograph Signings:
Location: Xbox Booth #524
Day/ Time: Friday, March 22 2:00pm – 3:00pm

Halo 4 Multiplayer: Past, Present, and Future
Day: Friday, March 22 
Time: 5:00pm – 6:00pm
Location: Main Theater
Halo 4 delivered a unique set of multiplayer experiences, immersing players in an episodic campaign with Spartan Ops, while delivering more breadth and depth in the expanded War Games sandbox. You’ve played the Majestic Map Pack and may even have had a chance to play Castle Map Pack on the floor here at PAX. Come prepared to hear 343 Industries’ Burnie Burns, Kevin Franklin, Andy Dudynsky and Jessica Shea, as well as Certain Affinity’s Tom Potter discuss where we’ve been, where we are, and what is on the horizon for Halo 4 Multiplayer.

Finally, don’t miss the Podcast we we will be recording in front of you the live studio audience. If you can’t make the trip to Boston this year, you’ll be able to watch the recording (and many of the panels) on the Official Twitch.TV PAX channel. Update: Looks like there was a change of plans and the room we will be in is not set up for streaming. If that changes I’ll tweet the link. Sorry.

Major Nelson Podcast!
Saturday 5:30pm – 6:30pm | NAGA Theatre
Join us as we hang out, take your questions and talk about games, PAX and whatever else we think of.
Special Guest Ken Levine will also drop by to talk about “Bioshock Infinite”.

I’ll update this post as I get more information – See you at the show this weekend.

   

Events By Larry Hryb, Xbox LIVE's Major Nelson

  • http://twitter.com/SamboTaylor Sam Taylor

    AOE:2 is coming to the xbox?

    I had no idea. Good news.

    • http://twitter.com/MKTheory John Doe

      No, no it’s not for Xbox 360.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ronald.bourichon Ronald Bourichon

    yep, AOE2 HD to XBLA???

    • http://twitter.com/MKTheory John Doe

      No, it’s PC only.

  • http://twitter.com/JGLives Aggie In DC

    State of Decay! YAY! Major, I request you put as much emphasis on the other titles like State of Decay instead of just highlighting Halo’s map packs. It’s going to be a great game and I know you’d love playing it!

    • ElektroDragon

      Oh, it’s a state of decay alright.

      • http://twitter.com/MKTheory John Doe

        ah hurr hurr hurr >_>

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Curtis-Isabell/1036013363 Curtis Isabell

      state of decay is the only xbox exclusive I have looked forward to for a long time, but it won’t be that amazing, and it isn’t even online /facepalm

      • http://twitter.com/JGLives Aggie In DC

        Yeah, you know why? Because the developer only has 24-26 working on the game. They had to balance time and resources to meet their goal. They choose to remove co-op from the planned release, so they could focus on the core gameplay. They care more about quality gameplay than just adding a bunch of half-done features without any time to flesh them out.

        I want co-op as well which is why I am talking about it and raising awareness to all gamers that will hear me. If the game is successful enough the developer will get more money to add things like co-op!

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Curtis-Isabell/1036013363 Curtis Isabell

          they only have 25 people working on it so they cut stuff out instead of being sensible and hiring more people that’s awesome. a standard 4 player co-op would make that game a must buy, but right now it will be just another arcade game which has a spike of interest and the next week no one buys it. not to mention the price is $20 chances are the game won’t be worth the wait and hype.

          • http://twitter.com/JGLives Aggie In DC

            No they have 25 people because they have a budget and have to work within the amount of funding Microsoft gave them. Besides, MS sets the price, not Undead Labs.

  • http://twitter.com/bob101910 Bob B

    Just because aoe2 will be at the Xbox booth, doesn’t mean it’s coming to Xbox. They will also have PC and Mobile games there.

  • ElektroDragon

    So wait, its not enough that you show ads on the dashboard to paying customers, now even your flagship game DLC is ad sponsored? What’s next Halo 5: Doritos Edition? Well, at least they’re free. We’ll see how long that lasts.

    • http://twitter.com/SamboTaylor Sam Taylor

      I guess you were not around for Gears 1.

      Free DLC? I’m all for it. Who cares if it is ad supported?

      • The Dukenator

        Gears 1 DLC is still free. Gears 2 had a bit of free DLC, but not sure. Gears 3 free dlc was just an update.

    • XBLA

      DLC is free.

    • Xhawk27

      Sony does the same thing. Playstation Home is nothing but Ads.

      • ElektroDragon

        Different because Home is totally free, and hardly anyone even uses the damn thing. Completely hidden away and optional.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Curtis-Isabell/1036013363 Curtis Isabell

          lots of people use home actually. at any one time you can see a few dozen people in most of the areas. yea it has lots of advertising but there is other stuff as well.

          Honestly the xbox advertisements would be fine if it meant free gold membership and free DLC and games every few weeks.

          • The Dukenator

            I use Home often, but it would be nice if Xbox had a similar one, other than Game Room.

          • Superman64

            Game Room and Home aren’t even the same thing. Why people keep making comparisons to the two is beyond me. Makes me think people either never used Home or they never used Game Room.

          • The Dukenator

            Game Room is more of a joke compared to Home. In the past year, I’ve gotten a lot of rewards and such from quests, doing things in PS Home.

            Game Room just has you play the games and level up. Usually the same ones each time.

          • Superman64

            But…why are you comparing them? Game Room wasn’t supposed to be the 360 version of Home. It was just a collection of old games with a fancy interface. It makes no sense to compare them at all. Are you going to compare Gears of War with Minecraft?

          • The Dukenator

            Now, you’re becoming more sarcastic.

            Game Room hasn’t been updated in over a year unlike Home. Those games are playable on both 360 & PC, but who would buy them twice?

            I had played Gears of War long before Minecraft, so no comparison there. Plus you can’t chainsaw a creeper to death like you could do with a locust.

          • Superman64

            Is English not your first language because I feel like I am saying things to you and you aren’t understanding. Once again, Game Room and Home aren’t comparable. They aren’t the same thing. They are two different things. It makes no sense to compare them. Game Room was never meant to be a 360 version of Home.

          • The Dukenator

            In that case, you can bite me.

          • Superman64

            Ok…I’m convinced. You haven’t been understanding what I have been saying to you.

          • The Dukenator

            True. But they could expand it beyond Game Room, but I don’t see that happening.

          • Jonathan Smith

            Exactly, I don’t use my PS3 often, but I have to admit that they seem to have a better deal going for their loyal customers as they get free games for a period of time and better deals…meanwhile, I pay for my Live account each year and get 20 MS points on my birthday, because of the crappy awards program, and their deals are pathetic nine times out of ten. MS needs to up their game for those of us who remain loyal and paying customers. Ironically, we are posting this on Major Nelson’s blog, so it definitely won’t be read or cared about…seriously, why do they have this guy as the rep for Live?! Time to put him in a senior’s home and bring in someone that knows what they are talking about and is worth listening to.

        • PSN_IS_GARBAGE

          It’s not different at all. It’s also optional to hit the left and right bumpers and ignore the adds on the dashboard entirely.
          I do agree we shouldn’t be subjected to them all since we pay for the service. I’ll give you that much.

    • Z4M0

      …meanwhile on the marketplace games are delisted (old turds like pirates vs ninjas dodgeball or recent nice ones like kung fu strike,etc.) and others are reduced (rotastic 50% off) ALL WITHOUT WARNING.

      Please tell Larry to wake me up when real info see the light here.

  • marc berry

    Would like to see the new xbox!!!!! Kinda over the 360. You guys are going to make me count the days down one by one.. Show a video and say “we can’t talk about it at this time” that’s code for new xbox here.

  • Jason Polanco

    I feel like the dlc coming out for halo 4 so soon is because they want to cash in as much as possible before they announce the new xbox

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Curtis-Isabell/1036013363 Curtis Isabell

      it takes less than 2 weeks for a competent team to make 3 maps.

  • Russell Gorall

    You are using PAX to promote games that are already released? Crazy.

    • Xhawk27

      This is not E3. I hope that XBLA State of Decay is there.

      • Russell Gorall

        I. I forgot all the solid E3 titles MS has announced that aren’t franchise dung. Include Halo 4 dung and Gears 4 dung in that.

    • http://twitter.com/MKTheory John Doe

      State of Decay is already released? Crazy.

    • GMAN73

      Well they don’t have any decent exclusives to show off.

  • Jason Polanco

    I want a new a xbox and a new triple A ip…people can fly messed up gow multiplayer for me…

    • http://www.facebook.com/senses.failed.568 Senses Failed

      Epic did the multiplayer for judgment..

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Curtis-Isabell/1036013363 Curtis Isabell

        whoever did it, it’s mediocre at best, but gears has been getting tired anyway, over run is a great mode but removal of horde was a mistake, the game did exactly as I expected, none of my gears of war obsessed friends are playing right now, for gears 3 they took the WEEK off work and played 12 hours a day at least, this time, only 1 friend took the day off work, and almost half the time he was playing ps3 or wii-u, we played gears for like 2 hours.. lol.

        • BlinkFandango

          Yeah, my friends and I love Gears, but I’m Gearsed out, none of us picked up Judgement.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Curtis-Isabell/1036013363 Curtis Isabell

            I just finished the story today they have a 2nd campaign called” after math” which i basically “how baird and cole got a naval force for the end of gears 3″ basically you find a guy from the judgement campaign and you find 1 boat. (which magically turns into a navy) oh and it ends with another character from the campaign being kidnapped, but we don’t know 100% what happened or anything. worst single player gears of war ever. no horde, and same old mediocre vs. mode make gears judgement a rental.

            want to play judgement? play the demo, because it’s the only good map on the only decent multiplayer mode. survival is basically the same thing too so w.e

    • GMAN73

      The only new IPs will be Kinect ones.

  • http://twitter.com/realmusik100 Realmusik Recordz

    xbox 720 is coming…and i will be the first to say..i dont care if all the speculations and rumors are true….im still getting the next box becuase you can always count on microsoft to deliver!! ima say it again..the konnect made history..no hands ..i mean…wtf ..who does that!!!! That was some classic sxxt!!!! every playstation i ever own…broke on me!!! 1 2 and 3…! i still hvae my same 360 …and its running like a champ!!! Xbox forever over here! i see alot of haters on here on major nelson page everyday talking down about the xbox and i just dont understand why? I mean true …i getting tired of waiting to hear something about the 720 but im not gonna talk wreckless about the 360 i play everyday. It would be kool if they just release the name of the machine!!! thats all i want to know

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Curtis-Isabell/1036013363 Curtis Isabell

      maybe because the competition has consistantly outdone xbox the last 4 years or so. but hey i got the cave yesterday and I got the defiance beta for being a PSN+ member and it’s cheaper than xbox gold membership so whatever. if the always online rumor is true GG xbox, enjoy the 20million sales lifetime and almost 0 software sales though.

    • GMAN73

      Rumours so far.
      8GB Ram, 3GB will be used by the Xbox OS. Whilst the majority of the 8GB in the PS4 will be dedicated to gaming, something the New Xbox wont focus on.
      Will only have DDR3 RAM compared to GDDR5 for PS4.
      Will have Eight cores like PS4, but two cores will be used by the OS for Kinect cr*p and other background tasks i.e. Ads etc.
      Will only be 1.2 TeraFlops compared to 1.83 TeraFlops for PS4. Even a certain percentage will be dedicated to Kinect junk.
      Won’t play Used games.
      Require games to be installed to HDD by which point it will be locked to the account.
      Will require always online connectivity, otherwise games won’t work. So if your ISP goes down no gaming for you.
      Seriously buy a PS4. MS have ruined a once great brand.
      Don Mattrick needs to resign, bring back Peter Moore.

      • Ales84

        These are not rumur,are leak whose veracity has been confirmed by various sources Vgleak, EDGE, Kotaku, etc…I am very disappointed with MS.I thought that with the next xbox would have started to focus on the games and the power to regain the audience disappointed but it is not so.
        MS is betting everything on the kinect 2 (LOL) and price.Seeing the components imho the next xbox will be very economical 299 $ with kinect 2 included.
        For me is jump out.Better to buy a good computer and a ps4 the next xbox promises to be a WiiU 2.Peter Moore has left a void that no one has filled.

        • GMAN73

          The Next Gen Xbox is going to be the final nail in the coffin for Xbox. Don Mattrick does not have that same charisma as Peter Moore left. When Peter Moore was on stage at E3 he was brilliant and entertaining, Don Mattrick is just a silly little fool. MS have all their eggs in the Kinect 2 basket and that basket is going to break.

  • http://es.ign.com/ Victor DP

    Come on, we want to see the new Xbox! The return of Rare, Alan Wake 2, Halo 2 Anniversary, a new exclusive IP from Epic Games, and everything else you have up his sleeve.
    Come on, we want to see the new Xbox! The return of Rare, Alan Wake 2, Halo 2 Anniversary a new exclusive IP from Epic Games, and everything else you have up his sleeve.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Curtis-Isabell/1036013363 Curtis Isabell

      rare is dead.

      • http://es.ign.com/ Victor DP

        Rare is not dead, you will see with the new Xbox.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Curtis-Isabell/1036013363 Curtis Isabell

          with kidect sports 3 maybe. Rare hasn’t made a real game since like 2008.

        • http://twitter.com/MKTheory John Doe

          Rare is dead, they’re too busy making Xbox Avatar items than making another Killer Instinct, which should had been made already!

        • GMAN73

          The only Rare stuff you will see on the New Xbox is Kinect and Avatar stuff. Rare have been killed by MS.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Curtis-Isabell/1036013363 Curtis Isabell

          you know almost every rare developer left a few years ago right?

        • Russell Gorall

          If you don’t think RARE is dead, you might as well type “MS employee” next to every post you make.

          What rational RARE emplyee is still there, and what “rational” game has RARE made in the past five years?

          Be honest.

  • http://twitter.com/luiislp Luiis Cubias

    My xbox live gold expired a few days ago and now the the family gold plan is gone. Do I have any alternative to buy xbox live gold for cheap. I already tried amazon, buy, newegg, walmart and target with no luck. The price is too high for me 40 bucks is a lot specially if you’re a college student :P any good wedsites to buy it for cheap or a least a good website to compare prices and try to buy the best deal ?? thanks

    PS: with the family plan I only paid 25 bucks :P

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Curtis-Isabell/1036013363 Curtis Isabell

      they removed the family plan so you could pay more for the awesome deals on GTA IV

    • Russell Gorall

      Buy a PS3 and PS Plus. You can play about ten games for free off the bat, including The Cave and Darksiders.

  • Sergio Garay Jr

    Hi Major So no Pre-PAX meet up this year, oh well maybe at PaX prime. still looking forward to the panel and xbox news in general don’t think much will be announced, but you never no. See you then.

    • Russell Gorall

      Why would you think news would be coming from Microsoft about gaming?

  • http://twitter.com/MKTheory John Doe

    That. Was. Hilarious. Thank you.

  • https://live.xbox.com/MyXbox/Profile?gamertag=DarkGin87 Lee Rayson (DarkGin87)

    looking forward to see more of State of Decay and motocross

    • Russell Gorall

      Yeah, who needs Beyond and Last of Us and Last Guradian when you have these?

      • https://live.xbox.com/MyXbox/Profile?gamertag=DarkGin87 Lee Rayson (DarkGin87)

        Im sorry I don’t speak Troll

        • Russell Gorall

          And I don’t speak Windows 8.

          • https://live.xbox.com/MyXbox/Profile?gamertag=DarkGin87 Lee Rayson (DarkGin87)

            can you even afford windows 8 even if you wanted it ? seems you rent a lot you don’t sign up to rent consoles do you because that would be lame

  • GMAN73

    All these rumours about the New Xbox makes me feel that MS want to focus more on Apps and Kinect instead of Games. So what you got to say for yourself majorneslon. MS are too focused on gimmicks instead of games. Xbox Durango built in Kinect, always on line, no used games (that’s if MS allow it to play games).

    • MrRadiolips

      Every comment that ive read by you today is a complaint.

      • GMAN73

        Well at the moment there is nothing really positive to say about the Xbox brand. 5 years ago there were loads of great things to say about it, but now nada.

      • http://twitter.com/boe2BE Boe2

        Baseless/misinformed complaints even.

        • Russell Gorall

          Based on informed leaks that have been proven after the PS4 announcement?

      • Russell Gorall

        Every comment you made is nothing.

  • GMAN73

    The New Xbox is just going to be like a Windows 8 PC, you switch it on and it boots to that horrible laggy Metro UI and straight away it eats up 3GB of your ram.

  • cris178

    Isn’t Twisted Pixel going to show up? Lococycle? Ascend New Gods?

    • Russell Gorall

      Do you REALLY want to see those? Head over somewhere else and see Last of Us gameplay and the Dragon’s Dogma DLC for both consoles.

      • https://live.xbox.com/MyXbox/Profile?gamertag=DarkGin87 Lee Rayson (DarkGin87)

        Clearly he does want to see those which is why he commented on them

        • Russell Gorall

          Why? I mean, these are five dollar or bust tossaways and they are your new IP’s?

          Come on, fanboyism aside… is this not funny?

          • https://live.xbox.com/MyXbox/Profile?gamertag=DarkGin87 Lee Rayson (DarkGin87)

            to some people a $5 game can be more fun than a retail.
            As the console is almost at the end of the cycle why would you want your new retail line up on an old console? you would hold it back as long as possible
            Its a business tactic an effective one at that

  • http://twitter.com/HugodrAndrade Hugo Andrade

    STATE OF DECAY news YESSSSSSSS

  • http://twitter.com/boe2BE Boe2

    It might be interesting to mention The Behemoth as well. They will have a nice booth at PAX, demonstrating Battleblock Theater, wich will be released April third.

    That’s a really nice xbla exclusive you could show off.

  • http://twitter.com/redhrts Robert Herman

    Would you please list the collection of Windows 8 games that will be shown at PAX East? Thanks!

    • GMAN73

      Microsoft is anti-game, the only things you will see are Kinect junk and Apps.

  • Russell Gorall

    I hope Rare shows up to show off Kinect Sports 4!

    Take that, Last Of Us!

  • Russell Gorall

    I agree. That guy is slimy.

    At least Moore made me want to believe.

  • fsdfg dsfds

    Age of Empires II: HD Edition should come to xbox, it was playable on ps2 with just controller fine

  • marc berry

    Most PS4 fanboys know that the PS3 was not the system SONY promised.
    Looking at it from the start i saw a bad ideal. The Cell was NOT MADE
    FOR A GAME SYSTEM. It was made for networking. The GPU was a year old
    before PS3 came out. The ram was XDR faster then the 360’s ram , but
    they see it’s faster so PS3 is faster,not the fact that it had a massive
    B/W problem. My point is that they know Sony RND is sub-par at game
    systems. PS2 was not more powerful Sega Dreamcast. The ps4 gpu 18cu is
    more than xbox 12cu so we are more powerful, Ps4 has GDDR5 faster than
    xbox DDR3/4 here we go again. VGleak is the worst for PS4boys they have
    no ideal what the tech is , SUPER DAE said “I left out a lot of info.”
    PS4boys don’t hear that. They don’t question the 1.8tf , when last gen
    Sony combined the cpu and the gpu to get GFLOPS. They don’t question why
    is MS using move engine/cpus instead of more CUs even when AMD/NVIDIA
    are moving toward that setup like Kayla, Tegra + ARM from Nvidia. They
    don’t get that cpus help with the gpu work, aka BTE/move engines but
    this time they are right on the die with the gpu, unlike the PS3’s Cell
    spus.

    • Russell Gorall

      Since when are specs fanboy specs?

  • marc berry

    Most PS4 fanboys know that the PS3 was not the system SONY promised.
    Looking at it from the start i saw a bad ideal. The Cell was NOT MADE
    FOR A GAME SYSTEM. It was made for networking. The GPU was a year old
    before PS3 came out. The ram was XDR faster then the 360’s ram , but
    they see it’s faster so PS3 is faster,not the fact that it had a massive
    B/W problem. My point is that they know Sony RND is sub-par at game
    systems. PS2 was not more powerful than Sega Dreamcast. The ps4 gpu 18cu is
    more than xbox 12cu so we are more powerful, Ps4 has GDDR5 faster than
    xbox DDR3/4 here we go again. VGleak is the worst for PS4boys they have
    no ideal what the tech is , SUPER DAE said “I left out a lot of info.”
    PS4boys
    don’t hear that. They don’t question the 1.8tf , when last gens
    PS1,PS2 and PS3 Sony combined the cpu and the gpu to get GFLOPS. They
    don’t question why
    is MS using move engines/cpus instead of more CUs even when AMD/NVIDIA
    are moving toward that setup like Kayla, Tegra + ARM from Nvidia. They
    don’t get that cpus help with the gpu work, aka BTE/move engines but
    this time they are right on the die with the gpu, unlike the PS3’s Cell
    spus.

  • GMAN73

    The end of April is when the Xbox brand officially dies. Don Mattrick is a douchebag, he is a weasel slimey little wimp, he has ruined the Xbox.

    • Russell Gorall

      If you love paying sixty bucks a year for free stuff, it is awesome.

      That Mattrick guy, I can just see the slime coming off of him. So sad for Xbox as a whole, screw gaming and just sell media and media consoles.

  • Russell Gorall

    Anybody else notice even on a Microsoft blog people are skeptical about Microsoft and gaming?

    • John Tits

      Well, these are a lot of their customers and this gen has been
      interesting for them. Many had to buy multiple consoles (I bought 6
      myself, ugh what a mistake) and then saw the price of Live increase and
      watched the casual gamers take over a console that appealed and built
      it’s brand on the core gamer. They’ve seen the loss of MS’s biggest
      exclusive developer in Bungie and watched prices rise, the service
      stagnate and many things started and then dropped (example Prime Time).
      Then they’ve had constant lip service about exclusives which then turn
      out to be a window of exclusivity and a more complete and bug free
      version of these games shows up on other systems (example GTA exclusive
      episodes).

      MS has a lot of work to get me back again next gen.
      The rumors and the attitudes of MS give me a feeling of “here we go
      again”. I am trying to keep an open mind however, until MS announce
      something official.

    • https://live.xbox.com/MyXbox/Profile?gamertag=DarkGin87 Lee Rayson (DarkGin87)

      What an on a PSN blog/forums they aint? there always going to be people who take a negative view to things just like yourself. Whats more interesting is the same people who have nothing nice to say about the product end up buying it anyway

 
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