May 21st 2013 4:11 pm PT

Xbox One and Used Games

We know there is some confusion around used games on Xbox One and wanted to provide a bit of clarification on exactly what we’ve confirmed today. While there have been many potential scenarios discussed, today we have only confirmed that we designed Xbox One to enable our customers to trade in and resell games at retail.

Beyond that, we have not confirmed any specific scenarios.

Another piece of clarification around playing games at a friend’s house – should you choose to play your game at your friend’s house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile.

   
   

Update: See this updated post on the issue

Xbox One By Larry Hryb, Xbox LIVE's Major Nelson

  • Liquidfx Xboxdude

    lol one of the funnread all day!

  • Brian

    “should you choose to play your game at your friend’s house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile.”

    Oh, I get it now! So you’re telling me that the games I buy will now be locked to my profile, so I can’t sell them. And then in 5-8 years, you’ll release another system, that I can’t play the games on. Brilliant.

    That type of Think Tank behavior sounds like something my friends would come up with when they have drank too much.

    • BadManDuke

      He states above that you CAN sell or trade in the license for your game. You just can’t share it.

    • Yamagushi

      And don’t forget the most important part of your logic, in “5-8 years” your current system will explode so that you can no longer use what you bought. Oh wait no, your just nuts.

  • http://twitter.com/BrianBaker1981 Brian J Baker

    That would just be stupid…I have faith this isn’t the way it’ll play out..But what do I know..Im a paid MS employee

  • guest

    Not a single straightforward answer after the new xbox reveal. There is something wrong with that.

  • CapitaoBaumgarten

    You fucked up BIG TIME, Microsoft… Goodbye!

    • Yamagushi

      Gotta hurry back to drakes fortune aye?

    • Shaniqua1990

      back to your mom’s basement?

  • UprisingBear

    He did not clear this situation he made it worse

    • slider2nl

      True

    • Angelus Negron

      totally agree

  • Bryson Jack

    TV? I don’t watch it. Sports (except for UFC)? completely disinterested. Fantasy Football leagues? I could care less. Modern Military Tactical “Black-Ops” shooters? I am boycotting them. Used Games? They are a MAJOR part of my game budget. That is how I am able to play so many games. The “Big Reveal” for me today was realizing how incredibly big the disconnect is between what I want out of a gaming system and where Microsoft is going with “The One”. I guess this is where we must part ways. I am just praying Sony doesn’t follow suit.

    • slider2nl

      Agreed

    • Little C

      I agree but for slightly different reasons. I can’t help but think of all the money I’d be spending on stuff I don’t want (the kinect) and stuff that I don’t need because I already have it (cable box, tv guide, fantasy updates, etc). It’s not like that stuff is cheap and whether you want it or not your buying it with the xbox one. The disconnect between MS and myself is huge.

      I’m worried about Sony too. The camera will drive up the price some but they can still save themselves with me by keeping online free and no used game gimmicks.

  • Yamagushi

    The game will be tied to one of the accounts, if you sign into that account, it will work on either of your xbox, and they have said it will work across accounts as well. So your account will need to be on your brothers xbox to confirm ownership, then he can play on his account using your game.

    • Angelus Negron

      Yeah they said it works on accounts, not across Xbox’s….. what they said is that the game can be accessed on another system with the account, and I for one never leave my account signed in on another persons xbox….so once I close my account on that other xbox, the game can not be accessed

      • Yamagushi

        Another persons xbox? I thought this was an xbox at your home? Its not gonna let you borrow or lend your games to friends, but if the xbox is at home, have your account on both xbox’s so both can play the game.

        • Angelus Negron

          NO, you don’t understand….I was replying to the your point on what MS has said so far on how it works…..but yes In my original post I was referring to more than one Xbox system in my household….I’m very protective when it comes to my xbox account and I only leave that on my own counsel, not anyone elses, be it a friends or my brothers counsel…..your argument is basically in favor of the redundancy plan by MS, “oh yeah just leave your account signed in more then one Xbox so others can play the game”…. that is a weak alternative for this…..I don’t relinquish control of my Xbox live account to NO ONE!!!!

  • Flawless

    so if my kids wanna play my game that i purchased on a different xbox in my house i have to let them play on my account? FOH

    • BadManDuke

      The account system under Xbox One will probably be how it is under Windows 8. Meaning your kids can have their own profile, while you login your account to the Marketplace under their profiles. (your account is still password protected — so you can directly control what is purchased)
      So any games bought can be shared on the consoles that you have your account on.
      Just my two cents, and since they are closely aligning Windows 8 and Xbox, might be how things will be.

      • Yamagushi

        They said you can play installed games across accounts, so yea like badmanduke said.

        • Flawless

          lets hope its true cause i have 3 xboxs

      • Flawless

        i clearly said on a seperate xbox than my account,theres no reason to have my account on my kids xbox’s

        • BadManDuke

          Let me clarify. There are two logins to each account. The profile (i.e. Gamertag) and then there is the Marketplace account – where all the licensing is stored.
          If you buy a game under your account, and you are the signed in user under the Marketplace on your kids gamertag, then you should be able to share those games with them, and also on multiple consoles.
          Look up how people are doing it under Windows 8, and you should get a clearer picture.
          At least that is how I suspect the Xbox One will work.

        • Yamagushi

          Yes there is, you want your kids to play your games. So the account needs to be there to verify that its your game.

    • Shaniqua1990

      you have kids? one would reckon they are more emotionally stable and intelligent than you

  • Tyler

    If this used games fee and the online requirement becomes a law in the next GEN you could be sure that the game industry will have a second collapse, at least in the consoles…

    • Yamagushi

      Used games dont make the industry any money, so it helps, not hurts it. And the always on, while a bad idea, there is plenty enough people online to keep the industry stable.

      • Tyler

        But many people will not buy a VG with this features. Thinking now I think that If this really heappens the zebra of the next Gen race (WiiU) will end at first place just for been reasonable… 0.0

        • Dein Vater

          and some people have something like “principles”

          • ikari_paul

            What has that to do with used games?

        • Yamagushi

          For being reasonable? Its not unreasonable to stop used game sales. Games are digital, you dont get a “used game” its no halfway through and you only see the last half. You get an entire game, and the company who created it doesn’t get a dime. It’s unreasonable to expect them to put up with those sales loses.

          • ikari_paul

            Steam somehow stoped used games, but in return gave the people good prices.

            Microsoft wants to stop used games, but keep the prices up. How is this the same?

          • Yamagushi

            Steam didn’t start with good prices, they came after. Its only fair to give MS the same expectation.

          • ikari_paul

            Ive been with steam since the beginning, and they always had great sales. Dont try to rewrite history to suit your needs

            And as far as giving microsoft the benefit of the doubt, according to what we saw in the past, i wont hold my breath. If they kill the 2nd hand market, i dont see them giving the consumer fair prices in return. Not this company

      • ikari_paul

        No? Usually, the money people make from selling used games goes into buying more games… Thats the only way that a lot of people can finance their purchases. Its silly to think the gamessales would stay the same, if the used games sales were to stop. They would make more money at the beginning, but then would complain about not selling other games in the end, and im sure they would blame it on piracy,as always

        • Yamagushi

          Buying a new game with the money you got from selling a used game isn’t a good thing. That’s just as bad for the industry as buying used.

          • ikari_paul

            Do you even read the stuff you post? Are you familiar with common sense? Man, go see a doctor. Youre writting some weird stuff. Youre giving up on features you had this gen, you dont receive anything in return, youre ahppy about it, and you try to prove your points by using arguments that dont make a sense. Youre for real? I feel sad for pushovers like you

    • TonyLN

      It won’t hurt them too much — it will hurt M$ if they are the only ones who do it. But if Sony does the same thing — then you will have to choose between the WiiU and a PC — and the PC already does that for most of it’s distribution (Steam) and activation codes…
      So really, if Sony is going to do the same thing, then you can only do the WiiU… Do you think hard-core console gamers will give up used games or play on the WiiU…
      Not saying that is what I want, just how that scenario would play out. Personally I think M$ has something up their sleeve still.

      • ikari_paul

        But the pricing model on steam is really good, which helps people accept the fact they cant sell their games. The same wont happen on the xOne, i reckon. So, theres not really a comparison to be made.

        • TonyLN

          It’s just the point that not being able to sell your games used is a proven model. I’m a PC gamer for everything except exclusives and I don’t buy used… So for me it doesn’t matter too much.
          loaning it to a friend and/or letting one of my kids play it on their consoles is important to me.

  • UprisingBear

    good bye all my games I spent thousands on

    • Yamagushi

      Why does your 360 explode when you get an xbox one?

    • ikari_paul

      Well, to be fair, one buys a new machine to play new games… Plus, by not including the x360 chips on the xOne, at least the price can be lowered… Hm.

  • slider2nl

    Now i am reading on engadget that The Xbox One’s 500GB HDD is non-removable. So that means if the HDD breaks you need to send in the whole console, and what about upgrading the HDD drive to a bigger size ?? I really dont know how designed this thing but i would kick him out of the company

    • BadManDuke

      You can hook up an external usb 3.0 drive and install all of your stuff there. Up to 3TB, IIRC.

      • ikari_paul

        But, has the drive to be proprietary? Microsoft being microsoft, i wouldnt rule out the possibility of it only accepting M$ branded ones, like this gen. Hope im wrong. That would just be beyond greedy

        • TonyLN

          No, even on the current Xbox you can use a non-M$ hard drive for storage now.

          • ikari_paul

            The drive has a size limit, if i recall. Only 32gb… No?

          • TonyLN

            I don’t know. That could be correct for the 360.

          • ikari_paul

            Yeah, i mean the x360 drive, not the new one. The new one i hope can be any size, and non-proprietary… Hope

        • BadManDuke

          At the moment, no. They have not stated you have to use a MS drive, and I doubt they will require you to. Mostly because MS has shifted in the last couple of years away from making storage accessories. The only exception right now is the Xbox 360 HDD.

      • slider2nl

        the console is already big and now in need to hookup a external no thanks

    • Adam

      What BadManDuke said.

    • http://twitter.com/BrianBaker1981 Brian J Baker

      USB 3.0 External hard drives(pretty sure propitiatory from Microsoft) will be available

      • TonyLN

        M$ said that any USB storage device could be used.

        • http://twitter.com/BrianBaker1981 Brian J Baker

          Well isn’t that very strange of such an evil company..Thanks for the heads up on that.I’ll have to look into it

  • UprisingBear

    Microsoft are dumbasses!

  • TonyLN

    So right now M$’s PR department is trying to get clearance to release the details of how all this will work ahead of time… It’s not going to be finished and approved until like 3AM and they wont want to release it until they have people available to answer questions and what not.

    Here is my prediction — Tomorrow around 8AM M$ release a press briefing detailing:

    1) You will be able to sell any game in your library (no disk required because the other person can download it) online via their used game store and that you will get more money for you game than if you sell it to Game Stop.

    2) You will be able to remove the code from your account (for free) and give it to someone else.

    3) GameStop and other retailers will have access to a code transfer system for when they buy games — it will also give them a new code so you can’t get use the one you sold them.

    4) They understand that our concerns on multiple consoles in the home and we are not to worry, there is a solution in place and more details will be shared before launch (i.e. they have no idea what to do, but they will figure something out.)

    I say all this because after careful thought realized that M$ is really smart and they would not alienated so many of us so quickly — Some information was leaked and from a source that wasn’t cleared for it and didn’t say everything right.

    M$ wasn’t ready for that and the stuff they were saving for E3 (that was suppose to get people excited) blew up in their face. They will fix it and they know they cannot wait until E3, so the sooner the better.

    Please M$ restore our faith in you and the once beloved Xbox brand.

    • ikari_paul

      Thats what common sense dictates… But im not sure theres a lot of that over there.

    • slider2nl

      Dont forget backward compatible

      • TonyLN

        Not an issue — I will buy one without it. The PS4 has not BC, and I don’t know why people expected the Xbox One too. I was hoping it would, but it’s not a selling point, nor should it be.

        • Christian Dixon

          The PS4 is at least giving the option of backward compatibility through streaming. You can say what you want, but a lot of people want backward compatibility and Sony is at least giving an option.

          • TonyLN

            They also didn’t say how much would be available via streaming and how much it would cost… M$ also hasn’t said they wont do something similar.

    • Jedi Dna

      All that ins’t enougth!
      How about in, let’s say 7 years when Microsoft releases the XBOX TWO and shut down the xbox live for xbox one, (or when you are in a place with no internet):
      1)You will never be able to buy a new game
      2)If your xbox one dies, even if you buy another you WILL LOOSE ALL YOUR GAMES (I still play my 20 year old Sega Genesis!!!!!)
      These are the REAL problems

      • TonyLN

        Don’t care (personally) — I rarely go back to games that are more than a few years old. I have over 1000 games on Steam — some day they will probably shut down the servers and I wont be able to play.

        I had over 100 games on floppy disk that I can’t play anymore, and a lot of those I have repurchased on Steam of GoG.

        People are putting too much hype into stuff that just doesn’t matter IMHO. They only need to address the major issue now.

        Also, if you Xbox One dies, and they send you another one — you will do the same thing you do now with Arcade Titles… you will transfer them over. They are doing the same thing with Xbox One as far as licensing goes as they did with XBLA… And nobody complained about that… But once the 360 XBLA servers go ways so do all those games.

  • Jedi Dna

    They will use the “Family pack” to minimize that! But for me that ins’t just enougth!

    • Angelus Negron

      well they need to clear up what “family pack” involves….is it accounts on one single Xbox system or to various Xbox systems in a household…..

  • Grayson York

    What will Happen to Gamestop? Their stocks are filled with Used Xbox games. The sales of them are going to go down. And What is up with the 500GB HDD. Non-Removable! If it breaks, you have to buy another Console and can’t play your favorite game if you can’t figure out your info for you account. YOU HAVE TO PAY A FEE! Please….. Figure this out!!

    • Dein Vater

      who cares about gamestop? they are the same criminals like microsoft. i want to sell my games to friends or over the internet.

      • Guest

        Exactly, you think gamestop cared about all the local game stores it put out of businesss. Screw them.

      • Grayson York

        I’m just saying. That is some peoples resource for people to get games. Also a cheaper way. I might go PS4…..

  • Costas

    Unfortunately Sony will do the same thing.
    How do I know?
    It’s simple. EA.
    Why would EA ditch online passes?
    Because they know that XBOX1 and PS4 will take care of the used games ”problem”.
    And that’s also one of the reasons EA won’t be working with Nintendo anymore.
    I hope I’m wrong ,
    but I think I’m not.

    • Little C

      You’re probably right, unfortunately. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted…

      The only hope is that any console that does so flops hard but I think the casuals will get fooled by all the hype.

      • Jedi Dna

        They will do it as long we accept it!
        We must NOT buy ANY console/game/product that STANDS AGAINST THEIR VERY COSTUMERS!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Little C

          I agree and believe me I will – I just hope they don’t become the “hot toys” at Christmas due to a bunch of hype. I’m not being a hater it’s just that poor sales are the only way these consoles will get fixed.

        • ikari_paul

          Agree, and ill do my part by voting with my wallet. The fanboys will lap it up, and as far as the rest, hope noone does. Judging from the talk i hear all over the internet, i think few will buy it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/moylobo83 Moises Munoz

      Sounds most reasonable.

    • Christian Dixon

      MS partnered specifically with EA for their sports titles. EA thinks people are gonna buy into this bullshit. That’s why they dropped online passes. They think they have a MAJOR in with the Xbox One.

    • ikari_paul

      The problem of not having used games is the price of a new game. If they adopted the steam model of low prices, i would give up on used games… But considering its microsoft were talking about, theyre want high prices, and no used games. Count me out. If sony follows, count me out of the ps4 too.

      • Buccomatic

        i agree.

      • Shaniqua1990

        what? microsoft dosn’t care how much the dev charges for the game, they charge a fixed royalty….

        lol, you have absolutely no knowledge of how the business is run

        • ikari_paul

          I do. They can charge a lower royalty, genius. Thats called adapting. They charge different royalties in xbox live games, according to sales and other criteria, so drop the attitude.
          . Been playing games way back when you were still in your dads balls.

          • Shaniqua1990

            lol ?

            your claim was that microsoft wants high prices, higher prices wouldn’t help them in a fixed royalty structure to maximize profits… they would actually want the devs to charge lowest prices possible. you know, economics 101?

          • ikari_paul

            Your arrogance is kinda endearing. The way youre trying to school me, but actually only talk basic stuff.
            Yes, i hope they charge less for the games, if they kill the 2nd hand market; but i was saying that i think microsoft will not charge less (lower their fee), but instead they will keep the prices up (their fee! Again) even if they stop second hand sales.

            Stop embarrassing yourself.

          • Shaniqua1990

            so fail, sad attempt at strawman, ad homienem then throwing red herrings now.

            Once again, Microsoft does not care about how “high or low” the price is, they only care about maximizing profit.

            how does one maximize profit in a royalty structure? By selling as much units as possible, economics 101 will tell you that lower prices sell more units.

  • Christian Dixon

    So he just confirmed that games are linked to your account and other people cannot play them without a fee unless they are signed into your account on their Xbox One.

    • Yamagushi

      Yes, your friends can’t get a free ride, borrow your game, and not pay the developers. You will still be able to play your own games just fine tho.

      • Jedi Dna

        That explains the EA alliance!!!!!!

      • Christian Dixon

        Borrowing games is a good way to figure out if you want to purchase the game though. Word of mouth is a BIG help for the buzz of a new game.

        • Yamagushi

          Yup, people say the same thing about piracy. I donno the last time I saw someone borrow a game and then buy it, most will play the campaign for free and pass on the purchase.

          • ikari_paul

            Youre pathetic. Hope youre just trolling for a laugh… Because i cant believe that there are consumers like you. Youre pathetic, and i trully feel sorry for the pushover you are

          • Angelus Negron

            This dude definetly has to be on MS payroll….because he’s giving out explanations that haven’t been confirmed anywhere else

          • Yamagushi

            Only thing I told you, you can see throughout these comments numerous times.

          • ikari_paul

            Your comments dont even make sense anymore. Not that they made much back in the beginning. Give up, corporate shill. Useless pushovers like you will bring this industry to their knees again.

          • Yamagushi

            Yup, and your a broke ingrate who thinks he should get everything free in life. Grow up.

          • ikari_paul

            Yeah, also noticed that. All his posts are all about the publishers and their business. Coward hiding behind a username, pretending to be a normal consumer, but all he is worried about is the publishers. A corporate shill

          • Clarkanoid

            Not actually a very good job at hiding behind a username though, if my suspicions are correct!

            http://www.linkedin.com/pub/yukie-yamaguchi/35/b15/508

          • Yamagushi

            What is it you think I’m joking about, you can’t believe someone thinks you should pay for what you get? Curious do you work for free?

          • ryder4life22187

            So is it the same as a friend pays for cable and I do not that im not allowed to sit and watch. Friend buys a dvd/blu ray I have to tell them sorry but only you paid the right to watch that movie maybe next week when I buy a copy for myself we can watch it together.

          • ikari_paul

            Yup, a butthurt developer. Blame lost sales on piracy and freeriding consumers, not on the fact that, maybe, just maybe, the stuff you guys release sucks and looks the same as every other brodude game. Kill the second hand market, and all the problems will go away… Unless they dont. Oh, in retrun, dont lower the prices. Dont give anything in return. We owe you guys 30 years of freeriding, right? People like you, that cant see 2in beyond their nose, will bring this industry to their knees

          • Yamagushi

            Who said prices won’t lower. You’re just looking for a reason to complain.

          • ryder4life22187

            Prices won’t lower i’d be very shocked and surpised if PS4 and Xbox One games are still 59.99. I’m sure we will see the new price point of 69.99 or even 79.99.

          • ikari_paul

            Youre like one of those tools who thinks every download is a lost sale, no? And just because i borrow something from a friend, it doesnt mean i would buy it. Usualy, what i want to play, i buy. And when i borrow, i borrow stff that i wouldnt buy, i just want to check out what the fuss is about.

            Your whole argumentation sits on wrong assumptions, mr publisher

          • Tyler

            I have many friends that I borrowed Cod BO 2 and then they bought It to play online later…

          • Yamagushi

            Multiplayer games sure, but they could have been easily as convinced playing along with you. Generally people borrow games to play through the campaign and save having to buy it.

          • ikari_paul

            At least be honnest and say who you work for. Even a rabbid m$ fanboy isnt That butthurt. No consumer in his right mind would say the dumb stuff youre actually writing, you have industry insider written all over you. That level of hate towards the consumer and the supposed freerides is appaling

      • Andy L

        If I let my friend borrow my computer to do some homework, are they getting a free ride because they didn’t pay the computer maker?

        I’m paying for the game. It’s mine, and if I want to lend it to my friend I should and will do that if it means not buying an xbox. Thankfully there’s this thing called a playstation. It’s obscure but maybe you’ve heard of it.

        • http://twitter.com/BrianBaker1981 Brian J Baker

          Have you ever read the copy write information in a game you “purchased”..It’s a good read and will make you realize you don’t own that software you just bought.

          • Andy L

            They are welcome to stop me the next time I go to my friends house, and I am welcomed to buy their competitor’s product.

        • Yamagushi

          You paid for the right for YOU to play the game. You do not own the software or have any right to transfer your right to play to someone else.

          • ryder4life22187

            It won’t be long til more studios close and then gamers will get the last laugh on all this used fee BS

          • Andy L

            I have EVERY right.

            If I buy a car, I can let someone else drive it. If I buy a computer I can let someone else use it. If I buy a music CD I can let someone else listen to it.

          • Little C

            You really don’t know what you’re talking about. Can I sell a movie I bought to a friend? Yes. Can I make a copy of the movie and sell it to my friend? No. See the difference?

          • Yamagushi

            Both times the creator didn’t get paid, so the difference seems pretty negligible.

          • ryder4life22187

            Sounds to me that you must have lost your job due to the second hand market or else you wouldn’t be defending it so bad.

          • Little C

            The law disagrees with you.

          • Chris

            In terms of selling games thats not correct. A court would side side with the SLA of the developing company. If that SLA says you have no right to sell the game (as is the case with Activision) then you would be boned in court.

            That is not to say that they would actually ever pursue the issue. But it does not mean that you are right in breaking the SLA.

          • Little C

            thanks.

      • http://twitter.com/akaFenikkusu Mario Pendleton マリオ

        What if a sibling wants to play the game on the same console? Bet they have to pay a fee.

        • BadManDuke

          Look up Windows 8. You can share games without having to buy a license for that user. Xbox One will likely share this feature since it is based on Windows 8.

          • Buccomatic

            and that’s another thing that sucks about xbox one – windows 8.

            hint – everyone hates it. it’s ugly and stupid. why put a smartphone UI on a PC desktop or a consoles dashboard??

            it’s pointless and is one of the dumbest things ever.

          • http://twitter.com/Lo296 Kevin S

            I don’t hate windows 8.

        • Yamagushi

          Games work across accounts.. so no you don’t…

          • Christian Dixon

            They work if you PAY for them to work is what he means.

          • Yamagushi

            Its already been confirmed that installed games work across accounts, why are you even on here, worried about your stock in sony, so came to spread some misinformation?

          • Superman64

            Why are you on here….just to be a Microsoft fanboy?

          • Christian Dixon

            Really? Major Nelson JUST said the game will work without a fee at your friends house if you are signed into YOUR account. What if loan the game to your friend and he doesn’t want to sign into YOUR account while he’s playing the game at his house and you are at your own house?? Then he has to pay a fee. That’s what Major Nelson JUST said.

          • Yamagushi

            Yea, your cheapskate friend, needs to pay for the game.

          • ryder4life22187

            So other words if you have 2 consoles in the house 1 for yourself and 1 for the kids your S out of luck.

      • ikari_paul

        Thats just a stupid way to put it. Borrowing games is not a free ride. You guys just make stuff up as you go, or what? Guess anything is valid as long as you prove your point

        • Yamagushi

          2 people play the game. One person paid for it. That’s a lost sale. That really hard for you to understand?

          • ElektroDragon

            What if I have a second console in my house and my wife wants to play the game while I play another one downstairs? Oops, sorry, gotta buy another copy for my wife. Hell with that, this is just as bad as SPORE DRM. Remember that poostorm? And what about renting?

          • ryder4life22187

            So then i guess it’s fair if the original owner of said disc hates the game they should be able to send it back to the devolper for a full refund.

          • ikari_paul

            Noooo…. Youre crazy! Its the consumer who has to give up their rights and settle for less. After killing the 2nd hand market, prices should go up! ;-)

          • Yamagushi

            You have 30 days to return it, who do you think takes that loss?

          • ryder4life22187

            30 days to return it to where. No stores around me will accept an opened game or movie for a return. They will only exchange an opened item for the same item.

          • Yamagushi

            Sounds like your problems with the store.

          • ryder4life22187

            So your saying I can walk into a target a walmart a game stop. Dare i keep listing and they will say ok you didn’t enjoy the item here is a full refund sorry for your problem with it. Yeah right they are all going to say it’s electronic item and only can be exchanged for the same item.

          • Buddog

            I saw the movie in the theater, I do not need to buy it on Blu-Ray…

            I heard that song on the radio, now I don’t need to buy it on itunes…

            I played Halo for a week, I never need to play it again…

          • Yamagushi

            If you didnt care about multiplayer, and you beat the game in that week, tends to be the case. And most people who say the movie already dont buy it.

          • Buddog

            This hasn’t been an issue for 360 or PS3. Has the ability to borrow Halo killed it’s sales? Mark my words the first Halo on X1 will not outsell Halo 3 taking into account user base. It’s a screwjob, nothing more.

          • Yamagushi

            Have you seen what sales of those games would be without used games costing them?

          • ikari_paul

            Everytime i borrow a game from a mate, i play the game only for a couple of days

            Youre clearly somebody from the industry. All your comments defend publishers and their business practices. Youre more worried with the publishers than with the cosnumer. At least be open and say who you are, isntead of hidding and playing joe the consumer. You guys dont want 2nd hand games, then give us something in return, or f*** off

          • Yamagushi

            Consumers want everything free. Then publishers go out of business. I’m defending whats in everyone’s best interest.

          • ryder4life22187

            I have yet to see you defend the consumer in any post. All you’ve basically claim is that publishers/devolpers should have 100% control of things. Whats next when a publisher goes out of business they will apply a patch that renders all copies of their games unplayable.

          • Yamagushi

            How does that make any sense. Used games hurt the industry, wtf would destroying copies of the game do…

          • ryder4life22187

            The price of games hurts the industry as well. Let’s see i’m not going to spend 60 bucks for every game that comes out that I want. Part of the problem is they think they need to get 60 bucks to make back the money they spent on the game. It would make more sense if a game was 40 or under. Id buy NEW all the time if they were 40 and under. No way am i going to drop 120 and up on release day if i want 2 of the games that come out that day. So heres what I do buy the one i really want and either wait til a price drop or buy used on the internet. That is the publishers fault for a lost sale as like I said every game does not deserve a 59.99 price point.

          • ryder4life22187

            Obviously you work for some publisher. Heres to you hoping the publisher you work for goes out of business for your ignorant thoughts.

          • Shaniqua1990

            are you 10 years old? so emotionally involved over video games

      • Buccomatic

        it’s my game, i bought it. if i want to let a friend borrow it or give it to them when i’m done playing that’s my business not microsofts.

        if not, then microsoft won’t get my business for xbox one.

        this is total BS… that’s what this is. typical arrogant, greedy microsoft move. and people aren’t going to put up with it. watch, this thing is going to fail harder than wiiu.

        • Yamagushi

          It’s your plastic disc. Its not your game, you did not make it and have no rights to allow someone who has not paid for it to experience it. You want to be paid for your work, but don’t want to pay developers for theirs.

          • Andy L

            So since I didn’t make movies I shouldn’t have people over for movie night?

            You do realize that this social sharing is the entire reason this market exists in the first place, right? When video games first stared only a few kids on the block could afford them and the others would go over and have awesome play sessions with Super Mario and such, and then want their parents to buy them a video game system as well. Or when your friend discovered this awesome game and let you borrow it so you could try it?

            Everyone here probably had that experience as a kid. THAT is why they are trying to take away.

          • Yamagushi

            Someone viewing your experience with you, and someone getting an experience for free from you are a bit different. With movies its harder to seperate. With games your talking someone sitting there watching you play, not taking it home and playing it themselves.

          • ryder4life22187

            I had that very experience my buddy had a sega with Mortal Kombat. Guess what happened Yamagushi I wound up buying Mortal Kombat and a Sega along with all the sequels years down the road. If it wasn’t for that friend letting me play it I would have never heard of it.

          • Yamagushi

            Oh wow you bought a game 20 years ago, man these guys should be studying how to market to you..

          • ryder4life22187

            Sometimes it takes a friend to lend you a copy of game you have never heard of. Here’s an example people liked Red Dead Redemption i rented it played it for 2 days and returned it back as it was a terrible game in my opinion it’s a good thing i didn’t buy it.

          • Andy L

            I had Super Mario, then bought a NES, SNES, Nintendo 64, Gamecube. then it became clear the wii wasn’t for me so bought a Xbox360. Have never owned a Playstation, but it seems now 4 is the lucky number.

          • Shaniqua1990

            microsoft isn’t interested in you if you can’t afford to buy games. they’re already subsidizing your hardware.

            lmao

          • kingcrusher

            So if you give someone a ride, or heaven forbid let them use your car, should you pay Ford (or whatever brand you drive) a “fee” for letting someone else drive your car? Get a clue here, you buy your game, you should be able to play it wherever you want and on any system. And you should be able to let a friend borrow it.

          • Chris

            If Ford had a license agreement that said you had to pay them anytime someone rode in or drove the car you purchased then yes. Ford has no such clause, software development companies on the [other] hand do.

  • http://www.facebook.com/moylobo83 Moises Munoz

    Bye bye dude.

    • ikari_paul

      Bye to you too. Guess you guys is all microsoft needs to run a profitable shop

  • Romuald Ooghe

    I love my 360, and i never buy this xbox one, I live in Belgium, the
    TV service is non existent on my 360 that I’m going to do with your xbox
    one ?

    you betrayed us the gamer, the true gamer, your customers, what will I do with my 300 games xbox 360 and my Xbla game ?

    kinect required, connection every 24 hour, online pass, are you serious?

    Tv,Tv,Tv,Tv,Tv,Tv,Tv,Tv >>> Without me

  • Christian Dixon

    It’ll be akin to an awakening. You’ll think “Jeez, why didn’t I do this 5 years ago?” :-)

  • EighteenCharacters

    It was a good try, Major Nelson, but confusion and rumors still rule their minds. Talk to them like you’re talking to a child — a self-involved, precocious little child. And don’t be discouraged when that doesn’t work.

    Looking forward to the next Xbox. It’s the best-selling console for a reason, and we’ll continue to see why that’s the case. Congratulations to the team on a great reveal.

    • Buccomatic

      you’re delusional

      LMAO!

    • Tyler

      He explains It very well, used games will cost a fee to be played. And the rest of the things you said, well time will tell, but you can take a preview here…

  • http://www.majornelson.com Major Nelson

    Hey guys, I am catching up on comments here after a busy day but wanted to let you we’ll have more details in the future, and I’ll get some folks on the podcast to clarify things.

    • ElektroDragon

      The publishers forced your hand because you put yourselves in a position where you were totally at their mercy. We understand.

    • http://twitter.com/BrianBaker1981 Brian J Baker

      ill take my check now…

    • ryder4life22187

      This is a sad day for xbox. Why don’t they just let us buy are games like we are used to and play them, trade, sell, or borrow. Why all the blocking attempts

      • RED360

        It cost them $ to keep the live servers up. So when they bail we are stuck with a useless game IE chrome hounds. Without backward combat-ability how long do you give them till they turn off the 360 servers?

      • Yamagushi

        Used games hurt the gaming industry, developers lose a sale to used games and see no money in return for it. Its why games have become so generic, nobody wants to take risk anymore and end up a Grade B game that everyone bought used.

        • Mike

          my legally-protected right as a consumer >>>> self-serving characterization.

          Should we ban the sale of used books, used TVs, used cars, or used-anything because the original maker doesn’t get money on the resale?

          • Yamagushi

            Physical items wear and tear, you aren’t getting a new experience, with games you are. You get to play the entire game as if it was brand new.

          • Mike

            Please, do go into a court room to make that argument, I’d enjoy the sight of the judge laugh you all the way out of the court house.

            And what “new experience” are people who buy used book/movies/music cds missing again?

          • kingcrusher

            Lame response. If I go out and buy a used car that is halfway decent, guess what?! it will be an entirely new experience for me, because I can’t afford a big bad new car. So your argument is dumb.
            Now, what I would suggest to the industry is to have a “used game fee” of two dollars that is sent directly to the publisher of the game (then they can sort out how much goes where). I think you’d find that it would be a happy middle ground for all involved. But no, it has to be one way or the other. Bah.

        • http://twitter.com/sistersafetypin SisterSafetyPin

          Used games hurt the gaming industry in much the same way used car sales hurt the car industry.

          • Yamagushi

            If you could reset a used car to 0 miles and no damage or wear and tear. That would probably kill New sales huh? Guess what games can do…

        • ryder4life22187

          So then publishers should give different prices for each game they release if it’s a AAA game then 60 is fine but if it’s a terrible game and was hyped to hell and back (heres looking at you Aliens CM) then they should have listed it for 19.99 or less. It’s not ok to release total C*** and just put a 59.99 price tag cause thats what games cost at retail.

        • RED360

          Lol really you will if you have never read it before.
          You haven’t see many used disk with scratches?

    • Little C

      You keep using that word, clarify….I do not think it means what you think it means.

    • Jason

      Man, you don’t realize how much all this news is just killing me. Strangely, I didn’t realize how much I really loved Xbox until it dawned on me that I probably won’t be getting the Xbox One.

    • Jamie Putnam

      Really not interested in any more clarification.

      • Yamagushi

        And yet you’re here..

    • billjaxson

      PLEASE allow us to share the same game within our own homes. I have three 360′s in my house and my two brothers and I share games on them. We all have XBL Gold accounts. I will not get Xbox One if I can’t continue to share my games with them without paying another fee. I love Xbox and Xbox 360. Please don’t make me have to find another gaming console.

      • Angelus Negron

        my friend you and I have the same situation

      • ElektroDragon

        Finding another console is not the end of the world. Change can be good, especially when the change has GDDR5 in it.

      • Yamagushi

        From whats been announced, as long as you have your account on their Xbox’s, their accounts can access your games.

        • billjaxson

          Are you sure? I thought the game had to be played under the account that it was activated for. If not, you have to pay another fee.

          • GrievousAngel33

            Hard to say. I’m sure you can play the game on the same xbox. The concern is if you have more than one xbox in your house.

      • GrievousAngel33

        Same situation. I’m not really concerned about backwards compatibility or the used games bit. But if I can’t share games in my own household, with people on my own XBL Gold Family account, across more than one console, then I am done. And I’ve been an Xbox fan for 10 years and an XBL member for nearly that. Spent thousands–my gamerscore can attest to that.

        • billjaxson

          Exactly, I get all of my games new anyways. My gamerscore is close to 90,000 myself.

    • Tyler

      things dosen’t need to be clarifyed, you MS people just need re-think and get rid of this used games fee and the need of an internet conection to be able to play the games. As I said before when I´m at my farm I don’t have acces to internet so I’ll be unable to play the games that I paid for? This is nonsense…

    • Angelus Negron

      Yea its safe to say you that MS has PR disaster on their hands, and this blog post sure didn’t help in clarifying anything….

    • Christian Dixon

      Things ARE clear to me now, Microsoft is selling transferable software licenses now.

      • Ratros

        Yeah, for every license you transfer, Microsoft gets 30% of your profit.

    • GrievousAngel33

      Hey Major . . are you guys going to make accommodations for XBL Gold Family members? We have a long, proud tradition of sharing games in our multi-360 household. Please don’t kill that. I will be a deal breaker.

      • ElektroDragon

        Me too. But they’re gonna kill it. So I’m out.

    • Matt Anderson

      The only thing this article clarified is how much I don’t want to buy the new Xbox. Get rid of this fee or I am never going to buy an Xbox One. This is the cheapest thing Microsoft could have done.

      • Yamagushi

        “I want to be able to borrow all my games and get through next gen without spending a penny! I’m a damn good customer, how could you screw me like this!?”

        • Matt Anderson

          you have no friends and its obvious. Every post you have on here is voted down and no one agrees with you

          • RED360

            Lol ya Ringer.

          • Yamagushi

            OMG, A bunch of people who are only on here to complain don’t like my posts, well I’ll have to call my Mother and tell her she did a terrible job raising me, thanks.

        • Evil Crouton

          My wife should be able to play a game we bought together on her console. “Sorry babe, living room only” is nonsense.

    • Andy L

      Dude, I have owned an xbox 360 since it came out, and I own every major release since then, but I will not buy this thing as it sits. It’s unacceptable as a consumer–nothing short of bold-faced robbery what you guys are trying to do.

      • Yamagushi

        Bold-faced robbery wanting you to pay for your games? The nerve..

        • Andy L

          I seriously think you work for Microsoft. Nobody could be so willing to let them screw them over. You either don’t have friends or don’t understand the concept of ownership.

          • Yamagushi

            Problem is that you think you own something that you don’t.

          • Andy L

            Problem is you are fine throwing your money away. Why don’t you spread some of that sweet M$ cash around?

        • Matt Anderson

          haha. You know what he means. The used game market is awesome and Microsoft is going to crumble now that they lost everyone in this market. Your point is stupid. If Playstation is smart and doesn’t do this, then the Xbox One is going to die, which they deserve to since they are cheap and did this.

        • GrievousAngel33

          Robbery if I have to buy two copies of Assassin’s creed to play across two consoles, both of which are in the same house, and with all the XBL accounts on the same XBL Gold Family subscription. Yep, robbery, plain and simple. And I won’t be robbed.

    • Matt Anderson

      I live in a dorm with three other people and all four of us have our own Xbox, so what you are telling me is they have to be on my gamertag in order to play my games. No thank you we all pay for separate gamertags for a reason. This is such a bad idea and Xbox One deserves to fail.

  • ryder4life22187

    its nice to know when you wind up spending all this money for new console years worth of games for the xbox one and wind up 10 or so years later down the road and your console breaks itll be good to know you got a stack of games unplayable.

    • Yamagushi

      Cause when yours broke, all the consoles in the world did. Yea I hate when that happens..

      • ryder4life22187

        So when support for Xbox One goes offline in the future and your console breaks how are you to play those stack full of games you got o wait you can’t because your old system had the rights to play them and your new console doesn’t and because live isn’t supported on it in the future no way to sign in to your account. Real smart there.

  • http://twitter.com/BrianBaker1981 Brian J Baker

    Steam seems to be doing alright

    • Buddog

      Does Steam now require $60/yr. to play MP, Kinect, a log-in every 24-hrs., and lack BC with games pre-2013? Is Steam the only outlet for PC games?

      Not saying that the Xbox One won’t be successful, just saying they’ve lost my business on principle alone.

  • disqus_SQcUfgeW4x

    Hey can we start a petition or class action lawsuit against Microsoft and Xbox One for the unlawful practice of preventing the privatized use of video games consumers bought?

    • http://twitter.com/BrianBaker1981 Brian J Baker

      Hhahahahaha,really? Jesus Christ i’ve seen it all now

      • Yamagushi

        I had the same reaction lol

    • BetrayedByM$

      lol.. i had to laugh at the lawsuit idea

      but, seriosuly, it is a invasion of privacy to have the Kinect always on an watching you, even in the dark!

      hackers now a days will have a field day with Kinect, watch the lawsuits roll in when some pervert hacks the kinect an starts watching kids in their bedrooms.

      Kinect should NOT be mandatory to run your xbxo!

      • Jeremy Crenshaw

        not to mention that the new kinect has a night vision type lighting enhancing when in total darkness.

      • Yamagushi

        You’re tinfoil hat fell off. Hacking a console, I guess from a van outside through your wifi? Would be ridiculously difficult for a professional, then at that gaining access to the camera, and sending that info back…. It’s absurd that people are actually worried about this, If someone wanted to watch you that badly, there is much easier ways. Stop being so paranoid.

  • http://twitter.com/akaFenikkusu Mario Pendleton マリオ

    After reading through most of these comments I’m confused as hell. I’m so scared that all of my 360 downloaded games are going to disappear. I need a new HDD to download all of my stuff.

    • BadManDuke

      No, they aren’t.

    • ryder4life22187

      its real simple use ur PC as a backup to store all your XBLA, GoD, DLC. So if your HDD fails and you need a new one your covered.

    • http://twitter.com/BrianBaker1981 Brian J Baker

      they will live happily on your xbox 360

    • Tyler

      They will not disappear, they will be safe and playable at your 360 console.

      • http://twitter.com/akaFenikkusu Mario Pendleton マリオ

        That’s reassuring for sure.

  • christopher

    will yall add my cable provider to xbox i cant get comcast here in texas nor fios and i dont want fios or comcast

    • http://www.facebook.com/danieloflorien Daniel Lawson

      you got Charter?

      • christopher

        No suddenlink

  • Scott Brown

    All this does it hurt your legit customers. while after the first week
    of release of this new system. the pirates will be playing all of their
    games free…. You companies just dont get it… All you hurt is the
    people who play by the rules to begin with.

    • Yamagushi

      This has nothing to do with piracy. It has to do with used games hurting the game industry much worse than piracy does.

      • http://www.facebook.com/danieloflorien Daniel Lawson

        I’m all for this if the majority of the money goes right to the developers and if there is some kind of discount that would allow a single purchase of the disc to turn into 2 or more extra purchases that may not have bought it

      • Ratros

        Library hurts book selling too, so why shouldn’t we burn down all the libraries? I totally agree with Daniel Lawson on this point, there should be more options. 25 bucks for a single-use code and 40 bucks for a complete product, then it would be great for everyone. The point is that some big company simply want to charge consumers more for the same thing.

      • Scott Brown

        then they need to take that up with stores like gamestop and make them pay a license fee as they are the ones making the $$… if it wasnt for used games I know alot of sales that would not have happened on people purchasing new games.

      • http://www.facebook.com/mirko.brocop Mirko Brocop

        Do you work for microsoft? If not you’re a truly pathetic individual.

  • Jose Abundes

    So basically M$ is masking on-demand games with retail disc and a one time activation code (DRM). Why make cup coasters, waste of material. It raises the cost price of the product with printing the package and distribution. When u purchase a game $59.99 (best guess), when u want to sell it WORTHLESS

    • http://twitter.com/sistersafetypin SisterSafetyPin

      Exactly. Purchasing a disc is not only completely pointless on the part of the consumer, but needless and wasteful if you still have to connect to the internet to download your “code.” And of course, if you don’t have a steady internet connection… Well it sucks to be you!

      Or am I reading M$ wrong?

      • Scott Brown

        “CLOUD” is a nice way of putting… Always On

      • http://www.facebook.com/danieloflorien Daniel Lawson

        I’m doubting a unsteady ISP would be a problem for confirmation hand shake 1 time a day, but that seems only for discless… let’s hope that having a disc in negates that need

  • tomnevers

    How are multi-xbox households going to be handled? This sounds painful.

    • http://www.facebook.com/danieloflorien Daniel Lawson

      It’s in flux let’s hope that the side for consumers wins out and the other guys go eff themselves

      • Scott Brown

        its bad enough I had to resort to paying $80 bucks a year plus gold family account to play madden. I play Games and so does my three Boys. I remember as a kid going to friends house with cartridge in hand to play a game or let them borrow it.. Now days you need a suit case to take your console and the game…. since it looks like they done away with the family xbox gold bundle.. I dont see myself opening my wallet anymore to these thieves

        • http://www.facebook.com/danieloflorien Daniel Lawson

          or you can just set up the cloud service and log into your friends console…. or put your game on a 16 gig memory stick and bring it to your friends house

    • GrievousAngel33

      They need to address this. I’m heartened to see many people expressing this concern. I don’t care about used games. I don’t care about stupid Kinect and always on. But I DO care about not being able to share games in the same house, across more than one xbox. Enough to walk away.

  • copyeditor

    Larry, answer these two simple questions. Yes or No will suffice.

    1. Is it possible to give an Xbox One game you’ve purchased away and have the recipient able to play it (at least the single-player portion) without needing to spend any additional money.

    2. Is it possible to rent an Xbox One game from a Redbox, Gamefly or other similar service?

    • http://www.facebook.com/danieloflorien Daniel Lawson

      disc based verification like the Xbox uses now seems like a solution

      • copyeditor

        I’m fine with that solution. At this point, however, I agree with the post on Kotaku that this has been a disaster for Microsoft. Larry’s carefully phrased answer is disquieting.

      • Jose Abundes

        Maybe it would be good if you can play the install game, if the disc is not used on another xbox

      • Little C

        Who says MS wants a solution? It’s not like disc based verification is impossible obviously. This is what they chose.

    • GrievousAngel33

      3) Is it possible to share ONE Xbox One game with your family, members of your XBL Gold Family Account, across more than one (say, two) xboxes, all under the same roof? (if the answer is no, this 10 year xbox fanboy is OUT)

  • http://twitter.com/Lo296 Kevin S

    Thanks god a whiner like you is going to sony. LOL!

    • ikari_paul

      Thanks god a tool like you is staying away from the ps4.

    • Romuald Ooghe

      i hate sony …. for me the next is on Steam …

  • http://www.facebook.com/mirko.brocop Mirko Brocop

    Its obvious this is just damage control at this point you’re not fooling anyone. If it were what you’re saying it is you would be giving straightforward answers right away.

    Can I give a game that I’ve already played to my friend for a price that I set?

    If you thought you could get away with it you’d probably DRM everything.

    I’ve paid for every single xbox product I’ve used and I continue to pay for the Live service, but I won’t support a company that’s giving me the middle finger.

  • billjaxson

    CAN WE PLAY OUR GAMES ON MORE THAN ONE CONSOLE IN OUR OWN HOUSE WITHOUT ADDITIONAL FEES? SURELY YOU MICROSOFT GUYS WANT US TO BUY 3 XBOX’S OVER JUST 1, RIGHT?

    • GrievousAngel33

      They may want you to buy 3 PS4s. If they don’t address this . .

    • GrievousAngel33

      “SURELY YOU MICROSOFT GUYS WANT US TO BUY 3 XBOX’S OVER 0, RIGHT?”

      FIFY.

    • Yamagushi

      As long as you have a copy of your account on the other xboxs to verify
      ownership of the game, it should work just fine. Installed games have
      been announced to work cross accounts

      • billjaxson

        You’re full of it. Show me the link? The games have to be played on the accounts that they are registered under. I’m not sharing my XBL account with both of my brothers.

  • Shaniqua1990

    belgium, you and your 360 with a catelogue of 300 pirated games?

  • Canablis I’Tika

    This is utter bullshit….The console will never sell……Beyond a
    few early adopters…We will always pirate games, and we will gravitate
    towards the cheaper platform. Be happy for those of us whom buy games
    and leave it at that..Any developers that want this, ( I can picture
    them going “Yeah, yeah, yeah, Do that!” Like coke feens) will eventually
    jump ship back to Sony and Nintendo, if Nintendo survives, once that
    console never sells more than a handful of copies of their
    titles……..PERIOD

    • GrievousAngel33

      I have never pirated an XBOX game. And about 95% of my purchases have been new retail or XBL/On Demand. This isn’t about piracy. This is about sharing. The way I read it, I won’t be able to share a game with my son–who has his own Xbox, lives in my house, and is on my XBL Gold Family account. That is total BS, and enough for me to walk away–if this turns out to be the case. PCs and Steam sales are just too cheap to put up with this.

      • Yamagushi

        As long as you have a copy of your account on his xbox to verify ownership of the game, it should work just fine. Installed games have been announced to work cross accounts

        • Jose Abundes

          across accounts on the your same xbox, not your child’s xbox

        • Scott Brown

          but not on all xbox in the house… like me i have three boys with own xbox… they will have to all each pay $60.. I AM NOT PAYING $240 for one game

        • GrievousAngel33

          “Copy of my account” … your account can only be on one console at a time, as of today.

          • Yamagushi

            Stick the account on a usb drive I guess would be the easiest way.

          • GrievousAngel33

            Then I won’t be able to play games on my xbox, one room over. These are not solutions.

    • Yamagushi

      Developers want to get paid. Do you get paid when you work?

      • http://www.facebook.com/mirko.brocop Mirko Brocop

        This goes beyond getting paid.

        You’ve already expressed your opinion on “used” games.

        So if I buy a disc, you think that I shouldn’t be able to just give that product away to a friend for any price I want to, or for free? That is exploitation, not “getting paid”.

        • Yamagushi

          I think that you shouldn’t be able to play the game all the way through, give it to your friend, and let them play all the way through giving them a free ride. Imagine if used cars could reset to 0 miles and no damage how badly that work hurt the car industry.

          • Jeremy Crenshaw

            If you bought it, what’s the difference between letting a friend play it or having it just collect dust on a shelf. It’s your property, it’s only their intellectual property.

          • Yamagushi

            And what are you getting when you play, the enjoyment of the plastic disc, or the enjoyment of the intellectual property?

          • Jeremy Crenshaw

            You’re not ‘giving away’ their intellectual property; that’s ‘plaguerism’ or ‘copyright infringement’.

          • Andy L

            When you resell a book what are you reselling, a bunch of paper or the intellectual property of the writer? Doesn’t matter because it’s your book to sell. When you resell a car what are you selling, a bunch of metal or the manufacturer’s propietary engine-fuel saving technology?

          • Matt Anderson

            I think I should be able to let my roommates play my games on their Xbox and not have to use my gamertag and I think you have made enough bad points. What is your problem that makes you think that you have to defend this terrible idea. Just use your brain dude.

          • Yamagushi

            It’s my field, hence the interest in the topic, why do you think you should get paid for your work, and I shouldn’t get paid for mine?

          • Matt Anderson

            invalid. My roommates all pitch in so that we can buy the game together and share amongst each other. Therefore you are getting paid by us, but now we are getting screwed and only one of us can really play the game now the way that we want to.

          • Yamagushi

            No, one purchase, one sale. Bob down the street bought it, so you got paid, I should get it free. Right?

          • Matt Anderson

            yes correct. Ever heard of a hotel room. You pay for the room not for the person. If I go to a hotel that can hold four people I pay 99$ for the room a night. It is not 99$ per person for the room.

          • http://www.facebook.com/mirko.brocop Mirko Brocop

            Nobody EVER said you shouldn’t get paid for your work.

            Next are you going to start implementing some fingerprint activated controllers so you can only play if its with your controller, which they use to keep track of all your games and how long you play them for?

          • http://www.facebook.com/mirko.brocop Mirko Brocop

            Woops probably just gave you some more ideas.

            I think everyone should get paid for their work. I’m a big proponent of fairness, but you’re clearly not. You want to milk as much money as possible for people. You clearly have no artistic integrity.

          • Yamagushi

            How do I want to milk it? You want to get paid for every hour you work, I want to get paid for every person that plays my game. Are you then milking the system too?

          • http://www.facebook.com/mirko.brocop Mirko Brocop

            Well at least you’re making it clear what you actually want. EVERY person who plays your game should have to pay. That dna-fingerprint controller is probably looking mighty fine to you.

          • Jeremy Crenshaw

            So I’m assuming whatever company you work for has banned the PS4 because of the Gai-Kai capabilities…

          • ikari_paul

            And what about dvd that people borrow? A drilling machine? Youre a tool. Read the law books, what you think is your right, is not as clear cut,.

          • ryder4life22187

            what games have you made?

          • droozilla

            Then get out of the field, because it doesn’t need people like you in it. You’re the cancer that will kill the industry, not used or borrowed games, just GREED.

          • Yamagushi

            Yea, the people making the games are the problems, not the mooches like yourself trying to leech a free ride out of the system huh?

          • http://www.facebook.com/mirko.brocop Mirko Brocop

            Yeah, he doesn’t agree with your ridiculous views on intellectual property, so HE must be one of those leeches.

            You’re so disconnected from your customers.

          • ikari_paul

            Youre one sad and pathetic person. I feel sorry for you. Youre the type of cretin who is going to run the industry to the ground, again

            Newsflash, there are laws governing property and consumer rights. Its not isnt a oneway street, to your surprise, im sure

          • ryder4life22187

            If it’s your field then what company do you work for, where can we contact you directly. Bet you won’t reply as you don’t want your job hounding your a$$ for the comments you make. You just make every gamers thoughts reality that publishers game designers are nothing but greedy people. It won’t take long before someone hacks the Xbox One and gets rid of that problem.

          • Yamagushi

            Its greedy to want to get paid for your work is what your saying? Do you go to work for free, and if not, why not?

          • ikari_paul

            Come on, dont be an idiot. Stop insisting with false arguments, borrowing is not a lost sale. Plus, when people sell their games and buy new one, i dont see you complaining about having sold that game. You honnestly believe people will buy the same amount of games, if they cannot sell their games. Youre a fool

          • http://www.facebook.com/mirko.brocop Mirko Brocop

            You have no artistic integrity.

            lol, maybe Ebert was right.

          • ryder4life22187

            you going to avoid answering what company you work for. So in the morning we can all call your company for a real talk.

          • ikari_paul

            At last he admits he works for the industry. Was it that hard? Your mistake is to think that every game borrowed is a lost sale, which it isnt. Stop being pathetic.

          • Yamagushi

            How is it not a lost sale, and you should really set up “Your pathetic” as a signature, its getting to be a tagline with you.

          • http://www.facebook.com/mirko.brocop Mirko Brocop

            At what point do I own something?

            Apparently microsoft, and your definition is a little more oppressive than the rest of the worlds. I think I’ll just take my business elsewhere.

            Enjoy your failed business, shill.

          • Buddog

            Imagine if you could give your friends a free ride in your car. How crazy would that be?

          • ikari_paul

            Nah, youd have to pay your friend a new one, just for the trip

          • Yamagushi

            Your car doesn’t use fuel?

          • Buddog

            Does MS pay my electricity bill, or Ford my gasoline budget?

            Have game rentals, used games, or borrowing hurt the industry up to this point? Fact: Industry revenue just in the US grew from $3 Billion in 1995 to $18 Billion in 2007.

        • Shaniqua1990

          yeah you can give away the disc, just like you can give away your copy of starcraft 2, or games on steam.

          • GrievousAngel33

            When I can buy games on XBOX for the ridiculous prices Steam offers, then buying two copies of the same game (to use in the same house, across the hallway) won’t be an issue.

          • ikari_paul

            The prices on steam are definitely in the same ballpark, youre right!!! Guess you make up stuff as you go along.
            What a pathetic loser. Why do i have the impression that you and lot of other butthurt users around here are the same person?

      • Tyler

        Man tell us the truth, you are from EA don´t you?

        • Jeremy Crenshaw

          It’s just a troll lol

          • Yamagushi

            What is trolling about thinking people should pay for what they get..?

          • Tyler

            But what If I want to give the game to someone that would not buy It anyway? Who am I hurting?

          • Yamagushi

            If they truly wouldn’t buy it, nobody. But most people who are willing to play it, are willing to buy it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/mirko.brocop Mirko Brocop

            You’re deluding yourself if you really think that’s the case.

          • Tyler

            And what about lending the game? I’ll take it back after a while and If my friend liked It he will probably buy It specially with the online mode been the most popular mode nowadays.

          • Yamagushi

            So offline games die off because without an online mode people just borrow and don’t pay? Doesn’t really help things.

          • ikari_paul

            What a butthurt tool. Every game borrowed is a lost sale, genius? And you compare that to stealing? Youre one sad person. I feel sorry for you

          • Yamagushi

            Someone played the game, and didnt pay for it. How is that different from having pirated it exactly?

      • http://www.facebook.com/mirko.brocop Mirko Brocop

        See, if I buy a vhs tape, I can just give that to a friend with a vcr. That is not the movie companies transaction, that is a transaction between myself and my friend. At that point you’re “getting paid” for something that you shouldn’t.

        • Yamagushi

          So you should be able to sell your ticket stub at the theaters when your done, and someone else should be able to go in and watch without paying?

          • Mike

            No, movie tickets is for a single event, a service. What this amounts to would be you not allowed to lend a DVD movie to a friend.

            But then again you already know that, troll.

          • Yamagushi

            So are games, you are sold a right to experience the game, a service. You are not sold the actual game itself, that belongs to the developers. And lending a movie to a friend is the same thing. You might as well be pirating, it does the same amount of damage to the industry, someone watched/played and didnt pay, period.

      • droozilla

        You’re embarrassing yourself at this point, man. You’re wrong. Period. Now go back into your hole.

        • Yamagushi

          Wanna give some reasons instead of just running your mouth like a 13 year old trying to act cool?

          • droozilla

            Oh, you mean like you’ve been doing for 6 hours now?

            Developers get paid off of first sale. That’s what they’re entitled to. Anything after that is a transaction where they’re not involved, it is between two other parties.

            If I buy something, I own it. Not you. If I sell it to someone else, they own it. Not you. It is not a rental. It is not a license.

            Do you understand now?

            If I choose to hand a disc to someone for a period of time, they should be able to use that disc as it was intended, without having to pay your greedy face.

            Like I said elsewhere, leeches like you will kill this industry from the inside.

      • GrievousAngel33

        I’m all for developers getting paid. But if this prevents families from sharing a game, it’s robbery. If I buy a book, I should be able to let my wife read it. Under this scheme, the wife would have to buy another copy of the book. It is insane. And shuffling accounts around from one xbox to another (across the hall) is not a solution. If that is the solution, then having only one xbox is the solution. Scratch that, having NO xboxes is the solution. To hell with them. And guess how many copies get sold then?

        • Yamagushi

          Your family can share a game just fine..

      • Jeremy Crenshaw

        So do you think that my friend should have to pay sales tax if i let them borrow the game?

    • Matt Anderson

      there are better ways to prevent pirating games then this.

    • Shaniqua1990

      so you pirate games and yet u think ur opinion matters

      • droozilla

        Where in that post did Matt say he was pirating?

        Right. Nowhere. Back in the box, dummy.

        • Shaniqua1990

          lets see the 4th line “We will always pirate games, and we will gravitate towards the cheaper platform.”

          • droozilla

            Let’s see a drug test from you, since you’re clearly high as a kite.

  • http://twitter.com/ReverendJohnW Pope The Rev XXVIII

    Sony Owes you money, You just sold many PS4s today

    • Canablis I’Tika

      Sure as hell, microsoft swiped my xbox one from my hands like a dirty little child taking his toy back…And he can have the damned thing, too!

  • http://www.facebook.com/UrzuSix Paul Rolland

    ITS RIDGE RACER!

  • Canablis I’Tika

    For everyone that comes here thinking they are going to get straight answers: No, YOU CANNOT PLAY A GAME YOU BOUGHT ON A SECOND XBOX ONE, UNLESS YOU USE THE ORIGINAL PURCHASER’S PROFILE.. AND IF YOU WANT TO START A NEW GAME ONLY SUPPORTS ONE SAVEGAME/PLAYER PROFILE….YOU MUST DELETE THEIRS…Now, unless things change, that’s the way it is…

    • Does Not Equal

      THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION. COULD YOU CITE YOUR SOURCE, PLEASE.

      • Canablis I’Tika

        And I quote the article above, which you, an asshurt fanboy didnt really read:

        “Another piece of clarification around playing games at a friend’s house –
        should you choose to play your game at your friend’s house, there is no
        fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile.”

        • Does Not Equal

          I think you took a small leap of logic after reading that. Also, the name-calling only demeans you.

          • Canablis I’Tika

            Sure…You try to call me on it, i shown you the article…Read next time you think you got an opportunity to be slick…Onto the next issue, please…

          • Does Not Equal

            I read the article. It doesn’t specifically mention how many saves or the need to delete. You’re trying to come off as smart by adding information that has no confirmation. Onto the next issue, please…

          • Canablis I’Tika

            No, I am actually quoting the article…YOU are the only questioning my post..Without reading….And they aren’t gonna overhaul the entire profile system…I think you need to go watch southpark and leave the debate to the adults…Thanks..

          • Canablis I’Tika

            Alot of games today only support one save for that game, per profile…Look it up..

          • Does Not Equal

            “A lot” (with a space) is not “all.” Look it up. Make up some more information while you’re at it.

          • Canablis I’Tika

            make up information…hmm…exactly WHAT have i said that isn’t true lol when grammer and spelling become your defense, ehhhh…it’s over..

          • Does Not Equal

            Until MS gives more information than the short paragraph regarding playing games at a friend’s, I’d say about half. There’s extrapolation and there’s speculation, and you’re doing the latter.

          • Canablis I’Tika

            I think I am doing the NEITHER…I am reading, reacting….And until told otherwise, this is fact….Unless you are going to quote major nelson’s page as being misinformation, it’s the fact of the day…But honestly, im done talking to you, so I will end this by apologizing for being abruptly upfront and pointing the obvious out…And maybe a little rude…

          • Does Not Equal

            I’ll believe it’s fact if it’s proven as fact. Otherwise, it seems we’re forced to agree to disagree.

          • Canablis I’Tika

            Whaaaaaaaaaaatever…Sweet dreams!

          • Does Not Equal

            You can’t even be civil enough to agree to disagree? Seems I overestimated you.

    • Michael DC Bowen

      If that were the case, it that puts Gamefly and Redbox out of business. I don’t hear them complaining, so obviously there’s a way around it.

  • Buccomatic

    Angry Joe’s destroying microsoft on youtube for the xbox one debacle. the video is going viral!

    • Jeremy Crenshaw

      It’s been so successful cause he hit it right on the mark and didn’t care to glaze it over.

      • Buccomatic

        he f#^king crushed them with truth!

    • RED360

      Ya he did

    • Jamie Putnam

      Can’t find it. What do I search for?

      • Jeremy Crenshaw

        The AngryJoeShow Channel

        • Jamie Putnam

          Got it. Thx

    • Chris

      A video that has been up for over 7 hours and has less than 4k views =/= viral :/

  • Lance Pierce

    Oh, good. So I can still use my property that I purchase however I choose, just so long as it’s only at my own house and not in the manner that I choose.

    Not interested in renting your games for the price of a purchase, thanks. You guys are idiots, and come launch you’re going to get exactly what you deserve.

    • Canablis I’Tika

      Now that you put it that way…I have the perfect term for owning an xbox one: Extended Rental

    • Yamagushi

      If you only rent games, the industry doesn’t make any money from you. You aren’t an ideal customer.

  • http://twitter.com/MikePintler Puckman

    So, you can sell your game – but the poor b*****d who bought it has to pay Microsoft again online before he can play it????? Hint – it’s not going to be possible to sell your used games.

    • Shaniqua1990

      or the fact that the only confirmed by Major Nelson is that you will be able to sell/buy used games

      • Little C

        Yes you can sell it. Can you tell me who would buy it?

        • Shaniqua1990

          Through their online service, which helps you transfer the license. Good try.

          • Little C

            So who gets paid? If it isn’t the consumer then why sell it?

      • http://www.facebook.com/adamdjt Adam Daniel John Thompson

        He also said “should you choose to play your game at your friend’s house, there is no
        fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile.”

        This clearly means that if you play your game on someone else’s console WITHOUT logging into your profile, you HAVE TO PAY MONEY.

        Clearly basic reading comprehension is something you haven’t mastered yet

        • Shaniqua1990

          Yeah, because you haven’t traded/sold the license to him yet..

          logic 101 not even once

  • Shaniqua1990

    no, you’re not greedy, but you just want free stuff.

    software =/= physical product

  • Ratros

    News Flash: M$ VP Harrison confirms that XBOX One needs Internet Connection every 24 hours.

    • Shaniqua1990

      news flash: ratros confirmed to be neckbeard living in his mom’s basement with the emotional stability of a 12 year old and the intellect of a 5 year old

      • Ratros

        Oh, no. First Yamagushi now you? How much did Microsoft pay you guys?

        • Yamagushi

          Oh come on, don’t compare me to him, all I did was point out that its possibly just speculation…

    • Yamagushi

      Says somebody, who heard it from someone else.

      • Ratros

        Not exactly. The news is from Eurogamer. Comments with links need to be moderated.

        • Yamagushi

          What links? And just cause its on Eurogamer doesn’t make it true, you should take a look at some of the top gaming sites and see how many of this mornings stories now have “UPDATE:” on it because they were wrong.

  • Nicholas Fodor

    I am still confused though; can we play games without an internet-connection?
    Hate to say it, as a supporter of the Xbox 360 since the very beginning, Sony’s PS4 is looking better and better by the minute.

    • Jeremy Crenshaw

      It’s already been confirmed that the system requires you to have been on an active online connection in the past 24 hours or no more access until you connect again.

    • ikari_paul

      No. Youll need to be online at least once day…

  • Peaceinmiddleeast

    More fees. You already make us pay for xbox live and games are too expensive. Microsoft bean counters are being very greedy and you won’t get another dime from me.

    • Shaniqua1990

      you live in the middle east, you already pirate all our games. Tough talk. lol

      • http://www.facebook.com/mirko.brocop Mirko Brocop

        I’m not surprised someone like you would support this.

      • Matt Anderson

        stop posting shaniqua. Im glad you said something racist, which just makes even more people against you

        • Shaniqua1990

          How is that racist? Do you even know what racism is?

          It is fact that third world countries barely move titles, and has rampant piracy. Regions like south america, asia, and middle east are notorious for it.

          • Matt Anderson

            so since he is from there, he is automatically part of that group. I’m from Louisville, KY, so I guess I automatically ride horses and love KFC.

          • Shaniqua1990

            High probability you do.

          • ikari_paul

            Its a troll. Nobody can be that stupid for that long

          • http://www.facebook.com/mirko.brocop Mirko Brocop

            Its not overtly racist so much as blatantly stereotyping an entire region in a prejudicial way. It also makes you look dumb because the person’s name was something that isn’t likely to be someone who is actually in the middle east, so much as someone from the west who is against the war in the middle east.

          • Shaniqua1990

            It’s called statistics, something you will learn, but of course you’re in 3rd grade math.

          • http://www.facebook.com/mirko.brocop Mirko Brocop

            I’m surprised you can spell statistics, but you do have spell check on your side. Yes, I am clearly inferior to you in the field of mathematics, which is exactly what we were talking about.

            …sigh…

          • Shaniqua1990

            trying to change the topic?
            The facts remain, individuals from third world countries are highly likely to pirate video games as they have highly established piracy industries

          • http://www.facebook.com/mirko.brocop Mirko Brocop

            You don’t seem to understand the definition of stereotype.

            Shaniqua, that’s a black name right? So that means you’re a criminal?

          • Shaniqua1990

            If you want to apply a statistical approach to it, a black individual has a much greater chance of having commuted criminal offenses, however that chance is extremely still low given a random sample.

          • ikari_paul

            The patronizing tone, yet deeply retarded remarks, are kinda funny. A troll for sure

          • ikari_paul

            Thats a stereotype. Guess thats the level you operate on

      • Peaceinmiddleeast

        @Shaniqua1990:disqus, I’m posting from the US. If you don’t have anything intelligent to say, go somewhere else.

        • Shaniqua1990

          Oh so, you’re one of the boston bombers relatives who also pirate games?

          • Matt Anderson

            you have issues and are stupid.

          • Shaniqua1990

            resorting to personal attacks, how clever.

          • Matt Anderson

            Thats exactly what you are doing on other posts when you call people Boston Bombers. Very insensitive.

          • Shaniqua1990

            Insensitive to report the facts?

          • Mike

            So it’s fact now that Peaceinmiddleast is one of the bomber’s relative?

            wait, don’t answer, you’d just be posting more trollings anyway.

          • http://www.facebook.com/adamdjt Adam Daniel John Thompson

            Arabs are not the only people who live in the Middle East – Jewish people are there as well, or do you think that no Jew would want peace in the middle east?
            He might even be one of the millions of caucasians (ie white people) like me who want there to be peace there – even if we won’t see any benefits from it.
            Also, the Boston bombers were not from the Middle East, but rather Europe, and many “white Americans” have committed terror attacks, but when white people do it it’s somehow not called a “terror attack”, and if an Arab or Muslim was to do it, then it’s terror.

          • Shaniqua1990

            never commented nor insinuated his ethnicity, simply pointed out the fact he could be related to the Boston bombers.

            try again

          • Jeremy Crenshaw

            as could u be related yourself

          • Shaniqua1990

            I could be, but as far as I’m aware of my family tree I’m not.

          • Jeremy Crenshaw

            just pointing out the total irrelevancy of ur statement

          • Mike

            so can you.

            In fact, you an also be a relative of Bin Laden, or Kim Il Un, or maybe that rapists in Conn that imprisoned those 3 women.

            Hell, you can be the relative of any murder/terrorist/rapist in the world!

            I’m not insinuating anything, I’m just saying :rolleyes:

          • Shaniqua1990

            I could be.

          • ikari_paul

            From all the people, why the boston bombers? Your an idiot, a loser, a tool

          • ikari_paul

            Your one dumb person, you know that? Your sad, and dont even realize it. What a racist a** hole. Going by your name, sounds ethnic, sooooo, its two times stupid

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Patrick-Steele/727028363 Patrick Steele

      They are not charging you a fee because you bought a used game at Gamestop. The fee is if you install the game, and it’s already installed on another console. If you don’t have the disc, you don’t have the right to play it. You either pay a fee to access the game, or delete it. It stops casual piracy.

      • Jeremy Crenshaw

        yea i believe they are charging used game fees, originally it was believed they totally locked out used games then it was cleared up to be an additional fee instead.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Patrick-Steele/727028363 Patrick Steele

          If the first report was wrong, why are you believing the second?

          • Jeremy Crenshaw

            because it was a ‘clarification’. they come from finding a source that corrects the statement

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Patrick-Steele/727028363 Patrick Steele

          From the wired article: “once a user installs a game to their account on the Xbox One that game
          won’t install for any other account without an unspecified fee.”

          That is exactly what I said above. While it is tied to you, if you install it on another console, they will need to pay a fee. When you buy a used game, it won’t be tied to anyone, so no fee.

      • watkins

        And your alright with this because?……..

  • Yamagushi

    “I just bought a second hand car and didn’t have to pay the manufacturer anything” And when you bought it, did it have a reset button that let you put it back at 0 miles and make it brand new? Cause games do.

    • Jeremy Crenshaw

      no they don’t, damage occurs on a disc over time the same as a used car. If the car owner is responsible it will be unnoticeable, same as the disc owner.

      • Shaniqua1990

        wowsa lmao, yeah a car with 50k miles willl be unnoticeable, do you even know how software works?

        • Jeremy Crenshaw

          Saying the car has to have 50k miles is like saying the disc has to be scratched to hell, what’s ur point?

          • Shaniqua1990

            No, do you even understand how software works? You are paying for the software not the medium its delivered. Software will always operate identically no matter how many times its used. PS: Blu-Ray Discs don’t scratch.

          • Jeremy Crenshaw

            Blu-Ray discs don’t scratch… Sony Blu-Ray’s don’t but Microsoft didn’t release if they are using Sony’s or Maxtor’s rip-off

          • Shaniqua1990

            Wait, lets get back to the topic here!

            Software operates identically no matter how many times its used, physical products do not. Kapiche? – Maxtor’s “rip off” don’t scratch either, because no BD disc do. are you 12? Microsoft dosn’t choose which manufacturer “disc” they use and neither do Sony, the publishers do… lol, fail on so many level

          • Mike

            and is ultimately irrelevant. Using more similiar products, should sale of used books and dvd movies be banned? The text printed on a book doesn’t change no matter how many times you read the book either :rolleyes:.

          • Shaniqua1990

            wait, the law is irrelevant, as they have ruled for software in the previous cases. ok there. We are dealing with software, once again, software is identical. Same reason why there are no “used” e-books. When you buy a book, you are buying the physical printing of the book, whereas buying a software you are not, as the software has to be put into another device before it can be used.

            fail.

          • Mike

            no, what you’re referring to are the copyright laws, under which software are considered literary works.

            When it comes to first-sale doctrine, it’s a different ballgame.

          • Yamagushi

            Yes, I would argue that used books and movies are bad too. Seems like an absurd thought but its just because your so used to the opposite. Why should 5 people watch a movie or read a story for the price of one? Nobody cares about the physical item it comes on, its about the experience, you bought an experience, you got an experience, end of transaction. Its not your experience to sell to others.

          • Mike

            because society have decided that’s where the right of the public and the consumers and the interest of the content producers should be balanced.

            Go look up first sale doctrine.

          • http://www.facebook.com/adamdjt Adam Daniel John Thompson

            Um, they can, it’s just less likely to happen from regular use. If you buy one second hand that ends up being faulty, good-bye warranty because you weren’t the original buyer – unless paying MS’s fee gives you the warranty.

        • http://www.facebook.com/adamdjt Adam Daniel John Thompson

          You never bought a 1 year old second hand car that had problems – and then find out the second hand warranty doesn’t cover it because you weren’t the original owner?
          I take it you have never had to buy a car, likely too young to buy one or like me too poor to be able to buy one less than 10 years old.

      • Chris

        This is irrelevant. You can buy used games through the online store, ie. there is no disc that can be scratched because it is digital!

    • Gen X

      Seriously do you work for M$ or have shares in the company?, because you’re totally missing the point, i don’t pay for the same product twice.

      The used game system isn’t broken M$ are just double dipping into people’s pockets…like they need more frikin money, pffft it’s a joke.

      • Yamagushi

        Nobody will pay twice, where are you getting that from. Everyone pays once. But unlike before less people are playing free.

    • YOUNTtheMODEST

      Seriously are you mildly retarded. Your statement holds no water what so ever. When you sell the game there is wear on the disc and your talking about online play then there is no more sever load then before the company spends more money and let be honest the make more from game add on then ever before

      • Yamagushi

        Yea, the statements that start off “are you mildly retarded” tend to be the water holding, intelligent, and truth filled posts. But Ill bite, the wear and tear on the disc doesn’t affect the game, otherwise you bring it back and you get a working copy. After that I couldn’t understand you.

        • YOUNTtheMODEST

          Horrible iPhone predict a text.
          I was stating that the used game market is a place where many first time and long term Xbox users have found new styles of games that they enjoy. With that being said developers have made more money with game Add ons then Ever before killing the used game market with more fees does nothing but drive away a base that has placed them at the top

    • http://www.facebook.com/adamdjt Adam Daniel John Thompson

      Yes. You can press a button to make scratches disappear. Only sarcastic people like me know about it.

  • Does Not Equal

    There are gonna have to be some changes to their announcements, because this has obviously not pleased many of their fans. (I say many, because not all of us rush to the computer and dash off angry comments when we’re displeased.)

    You’d think, with the resources they have, they might have put out some feelers, asked some small communities, tried some hidden rumormongering and gotten a feel for how the community would react. Polls, surveys, focus groups, it doesn’t matter — it feels as though they don’t quite understand what we want in a new system.

    I’m not going to say that Sony does, either, but I haven’t followed the PS4 announcements. I’ve got money enough for one of the major consoles, and MS has been good to me the last decade or so. But this looks like it’s angering a lot of long-time loyalists.

    I really hope they backtrack or change some of these decisions, because it’s gonna take a while for them to recover their reputation if they don’t.

  • Michael DC Bowen

    So MSFT just put Gamefly and Redbox out of business? Yeah right.

    • GrievousAngel33

      Netflix put Blockbuster out of business. It happens. And I don’t care.

 

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