May 24th 2013 12:32 pm PT

Xbox One and used games

Over the past few days, we have been reading comments and message boards following the Xbox One announcement. There are a few questions regarding used games. I wanted to clarify and provide this official statement:

The ability to trade in and resell games is important to gamers and to Xbox. Xbox One is designed to support the trade in and resale of games. Reports about our policies for trade in and resale are inaccurate and incomplete. We will disclose more information in the near future.

 
 

Xbox One By Larry Hryb, Xbox LIVE's Major Nelson

  • JCK

    What a complete disaster this new Xbox console is. All
    they had to do was create a console more powerful than the 360 with no
    forced Kinect, no periodic server handshake and no restrictive DRM and
    everything would have been great. No they couldn’t do that, they had to
    give us the Orwellian DRM machine.

    My enthusiasm for the next gen has decreased dramatically. No amount of sparkly game demo’s at E3 is going to change my opinion on what a complete and utter f*ck up MS have made with their new console.

  • Jamie Putnam

    Listen MS, I love what you have done with the X1, but you seem to be welcoming the general public with open arms while hit the gamers with a sledge hammer.

  • Time Will

    come on nelson give us and update on this issue please

    • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

      there is no way in hell they are going to dig themselves into an even bigger hole right now. give it awhile.

      • Time Will

        is there a law called a fair use act

  • BetrayedByM$

    Germany’s federal commissioner for data protection and freedom of information, Peter Schaar, expressed concern over the Xbox One’s Kinect functionality, calling it a “monitoring device” over which the player (or bystander) has little control.

    “Under the heading, ‘game device,’ Microsoft pushes a monitoring device in the market,” Schaar told Spiegel, translated by Google Translate. “The Xbox continuously records all sorts of personal information about me: reaction rates, my learning or emotional states. These are then processed on an external server, and possibly even passed on to third parties. Whether they will ever deleted, the person can not influence.”

    The Xbox One’s Kinect is always on as long as it’s plugged in, listening for specific commands to wake up the entire system. Microsoft Corporate Vice President Phil Harrison responded to earlier privacy concerns presented by Eurogamer by calling Microsoft a “leader in the world of privacy.”

    “We aren’t using Kinect to snoop on anybody at all,” Harrison said. “We listen for the word ‘Xbox on’ and then switch on the machine, but we don’t transmit personal data in any way, shape or form that could be personally identifiable to you, unless you explicitly opt into that.”

  • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

    LMAO, who ever posted that Xbox surveillance room pic before it got deleted was awesome…. thanks

    • Time Will

      can u tweet me that link please someone thanks

    • Bert

      I would like to see it…Missed it

      • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

        it was a spoof pic from a movie, they were just taking a jab at Xbox. it was just they way he worded it and then i clicked the link to see what it was. nothing special… just funny at the time.

  • David

    Of course they will, because everything MicroShaft has outlined so far has been geared to save gamers and families money…by the way, what was the great reason why they got rid of the family plan on the 360?

  • Time Will

    hey people is their a law called a fair use act for something like for used games

  • Steve

    If they plan on going this route I’ll just build a gaming computer. At least than I can update my hardware a little more often than once a decade.
    There would no longer be any advantage for owning a console. I can hook my PC up to my tv just as easily…

    • Time Will

      and you still can lend the game to your friend

  • DOCHOLLIIDAY

    Achievement Unlocked
    Public Opinion Rampage – Destroy the trust of 102 million xBox owners.

    • Riddick Snipes

      Gold!!!

  • http://twitter.com/HellspawnRei HellspawnRei

    Aaron Greenberg just tweeted this

    “Thanks to everyone for your comments and feedback, we are definitely listening.”

    We might get something…Fingers crossed for the best.

    Don’t forget
    #XboxOneNoDRM
    #XboxOneUSEDGAMES

  • Roberto Merino

    Simply move the kinect sensor so it can only see less than 4 people.

    They usually file useless patents, this is one of them. I hope they filed it only to prevent some other company to use this kind of technology without paying MS.

  • senselocke

    Dear Larry:

    What happens to my prospective games when you take down the X1 verification servers?

    For that matter, what happens to my 360 digital titles when you disable Live access?

    The answers to these are mission-critical.

    • Riddick Snipes

      All u will miss out on if the servers disappear is the multiplayer section of a game/ games

      • RED360

        No DRM requires re authentication.

      • senselocke

        For 360 games, sort of. What happens to DLC or Arcade games or Digital games I own when my 360 eventually dies and I have to re-download them? You can’t clone content from one console to another–it must be matched to the console’s harware ID code.

        For X1 games, you must verify your games every 24 hours or so. Which means when they kill X1 support, ALL games stop working, not just digital/DLC/online ones.

        • Paul Guenette

          The simple solution to that problem is that at the end of the life cycle a final system update is sent out that disables authentication.
          The need for it will no longer be there as whatever profits they were making by that time will have dried up.

          • senselocke

            If they would commit to that, in writing, in a legally enforceable way, and be required to host the “unlock” file for some number of years afterwards, that would be an okay compromise. Anything less than a legal guarantee, though, and I fear they’d wriggle out of it.

            In fact, I think any company that sells digital content like this should be required to account for “end of service”.

  • Paul Guenette

    Here’s my suggestions for MS:

    Inside every game box should be a unique IR code that the user holds up to their Kinect for it to scan and authenticate your copy. (No more entering codes.)

    If a game is purchased used, when you checkout, a new IR code will be printed onto your receipt to allow activation.
    The idea of a friend having to pay full retail price if you lend them a game seems ridiculous. After a 48hr grace period, it should be a micro-transaction in the $5 ball park, but this would only buy your friend a month of usage for the game. After a year of play they will have paid for the game.
    But they should also give the original owner the option of gifting the ‘ownership’ of the game to their friend for around $5, if they know that they’re done with the game and are giving it said friend.

    Ideally, there wouldn’t be any fees, but $5 among friends is much more palatable, than paying full retail.

    • senselocke

      This would require every games retailer in the world to purchase special receipt printers, and special paper, and computers to run them and access Live on every sale of every game. It’s entirely too much of a setup cost.

      • Paul Guenette

        I’m not sure it would be a huge cost, as most receipts from any major retailer comes a bar code printed on them.
        We have to assume something of this nature is being developed. The other option is that a unique code is hard baked onto each disk and that when sold to a re-seller, that they’ll be able to scan it, revoking your license to the game.

        The biggest problems that MS has to address are the costs and what’s going to happen at the end of the Xbox One’s generation.

        • senselocke

          Major retailers, yes, Small retailers, not so much.

          Also, infrared codes are not the same as barcodes. But the problem comes from requiring the retailer’s system to access Microsoft and get a code to print it in the first place–this is entirely too complicated for some shops who don’t have a sophisticated point of sale system.

          I’m not bashing your idea, I’m just stating that it would be prohibitively expensive for anyone but national retailers.

          • Paul Guenette

            I’m mature enough to have a thick enough skin to know where you’re coming from.
            My hope is that MS really is watching these comments and that through our spit-balling of ideas, that as a community, we can come up with enough ideas for them to develop a working solution.

          • senselocke

            Oh, I wasn’t trying to nitpick–I’m sorry if it came off that way. I just worked for a smaller game/cd retailer, and I know how expensive point-of-sale software is, and simply trying to sync up to our warehouse with 26 stores for inventory purposes was a nightmare–I can’t imagine having to sync up to Microsoft with thousands of stores. That was the only bit of your suggestion I didn’t think would work.

            It’s kind of sad that it seems we will have to spell out the answer for them–you’d think a company with that amount of profit should have had someone with these ideas. It makes you wonder how oblivious/blithering stupid the executives there have to be.

          • Paul Guenette

            I didn’t take it that way at all. Having never worked in the gaming retail environment, those are logistics that I failed to consider.

            But your argument against my suggestion is further proof of the logistics nightmare MS is opening themselves up to.

          • senselocke

            That I agree with. Because most of the backend stuff, the computer and the decoupling old accounts and verification and server access, all of that still has to happen–and it will put everyone but GameStop-sized companies out of business.

            That is, if anyone buys the thing. Methinks the 360’s going to get far more use than it otherwise would have, and as long as some games are changing hands that’s enough.

          • Paul Guenette

            With the incomplete information we’ve been provided with so far, there really isn’t any exciting about this next generation.

            As it stands right now, it’s shaping up to be a fairly lackluster generation and these extra hurdles and hoops that MS is making the customer jump through is just going to make things harder for them.

            For those of us who were once considered ‘hardcore’ but now have families and responsibilities, our 360’s are “good enough” for now and don’t carry the extra baggage.

            If Nintendo’s current ‘ho hum’ launch is any indication of the markets attitude, then this generation is going to be rough for everyone involved.

            Right now it feels like when Blu-Ray and HD-DVD came out and because it wasn’t the quantum leap of VHS to DVD, my 360 much like my DVD player then, was more than adequate for my needs.

            Adding these roadblocks just re-enforces those feelings.

    • RED360

      code is on disk

    • RED360

      Better idea.
      Installed: Install disk and you can decide to transfer code to game on driver. disk becomes timed demo for your Bros. Bros happy

      Sell used game on drive: Coded game on dive you can sell back to ms.
      IF MS likes you you will get best deal for you used game.

      Sell to retailer: Coded disk/used game can be sold to retailer. Gamer choice.
      Gamer clicks a sell/uninstall in My games dash. Reports sale to MS.

      Market stays competitive Gamer is Happy.:) Most inportant

    • Riddick Snipes

      How bout no codes no authentication no fees. Its worked fine for the last 30 years.

      • Paul Guenette

        I don’t like it any more than the next person, but unfortunately this is the direction things are going and we can only fight for a fair market, that acknowledges the developers and publishers, while not feeling nickle and dimed.

        • watkins

          If you don’t like where this is going vote with your dollars. Don’t just bend overand take it.

  • Dylan

    Apparently the Xbox One will install games while you play.

  • RED360

    code is on disk

  • Dylan

    Remember the neogaf twitter thing we’ve been talking about? Sony employees tweeted about it.

    Now, Microsoft Chief of Staff of Interactive Entertainment, Aaron Greenberg, tweeted
    “Thanks to everyone for your comments and feedback, we are definitely listening.”

    • RED360

      #XboxOneNoDRM
      #XboxOneUSEDGAMES

    • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

      neogaf started the whole campaign

  • BADASS GAMING

    Not sure if anyone’s mentioned this, but I just read an article that said inside sources say sony was planning a DRM feature for the ps4 as well but has decided not to go with it because of the outrage at Microsoft.

    Our voices are definitely working, so we need to talk about it and spread the word as much as possible for anything to change.

    I know everyone’s concerned about the used games situation with xboxone – but let’s not forget the mandatory kinect which is a legitimate surveillance device, PLUS the mandatory 24hr internet connection or the system won’t work.

    Those are 3 different deal breakers for me in one system.

    If you think Microsoft is not going to collect data on you and monitor you with the kinect – try reading the patents they have

    • Dylan

      Yeah it was the poster in Neogaf that said that, and it started a twitter outpour, that made #ps4nodrm trending. Sony employees responded, as did a Microsoft employee. There are some links on this commenting board if you’re interested in reading

      • BetrayedByM$

        could you post the links Dylan?

        • Dylan

          Here ya go
          http:// www. neogaf. com/forum/showthread.php?t=568033

          Delete the spaces.
          On here you can see all the tweets by the employees, and the 20+ or so articles written by gaming publications around the world.

          Even NBC news!

          http://www. nbcnews. com/technology/playstation-fans-flock-twitter-protest-drm-6C10094985

          • BetrayedByM$

            Thank you very much ;)

          • BetrayedByM$

            yea i work for our local news station here as well an we covered this a bit. and it’s not looking good for M$ here. Everyone we talked to on the street is NOT ok with big brother Kinect. SO i don’t know about M$ making any money on this x1, i mean i know there are some people who don’t care an don’t see the bigger picture here, but from our coverage of the story, M$ will not fair well on launch. our own state might even ban it from stores because of our own privacy laws that the Kienct will be breaking.

            so who know’s at this point what will happen.
            maybe M$ will get smart, admit they F*** up an NOT make Kinect mandatory.

          • BADASS GAMING

            I don’t see how they could possibly sell this thing the way it is. If they do, then they’re focused on getting out of the gaming industry and focusing on home entertainment.

            I don’t know if I can even picture them going back on the kinect aspect even if they do change their stance on used games.

          • BetrayedByM$

            I agree with Badass , they have put a lot of money an research and wasted a lot of people’s time working on a big brother camera’s that over half of their fan base does not want nor care about.

            but still, they need to do something at this point or they will be loosing a lot of loyal consumers an money. not that money is a big thing to them, but still, they won’t want to loose much money, what company would.

            this is all ready a PR nightmare for them

          • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

            that’s pretty cool a news station actually did that, most wouldn’t be allowed to because of big corporation influence. props to the news station you work for. Bravo!
            God do i hate the thought of that camera being a mandatory. that needs to change.

          • BetrayedByM$

            well it helps when nearly half our local news casters and reporters for special events are gamers, lol it was really cool though when they gave me the green light to go ahead with it.

      • BADASS GAMING

        oh ok – I didn’t know it was neogaf

        yeah – post them if you can

        • Dylan

          Posted ‘em for ya, in response to “BetrayedbyMS”

          • BetrayedByM$

            thank you Dylan ;)

          • BADASS GAMING

            thanks!

    • BetrayedByM$

      your about Kinect being a mandatory surveillance device, when you have Germany and Australia all ready thinking about banning X1 because of it, it should be something all of us should be concerned with , this whole thing about, well you can turn it off…well no, you can’t , read further on his answer and he says, you can turn it ALL off, meaning the xbox goes off with the kinect, otherwise the Kinect is always on.

    • RED360

      I think the Kinetic is primarily for DRM?

    • InfernoShade

      Sony sat and waited until MS made some solid statements, so no matter what they were planning they are going to spin it with PR to say they love gamers. Bottom line: all companies are the same – they go to where they money is.

  • BetrayedByM$

    awesome ;) what happen to dan’s petition ? There was like 8o some signatures on it i think

    • RED360

      84

      • BetrayedByM$

        nice , i’ve been so busy with work i wasn’t able to do much with it, i hope people keep on it an don’t accept , i forget his name now, but they don’t accept his answer saying, you can turn off the Kinect, but no, you can not. you can only turn it off when the whole system is off.

        fact.

        an if you read the rest of his double sided answer like every other answer he gives he does in fact say, you can turn it ALL off, meaning the whole system not just big brother. cause as they have said before , big brother stays plugged in or the system does not work.

      • safdf

        +3300 + 4000 comments, mostly against right in their face and nothing, do you really think a petition “signed” by 90 people will make a change? Not even in real life on real paper and ink those work. Come on! Make their numbers red, that’s their language.

    • BADASS GAMING

      I’m not sure – I signed it. Doesn’t hurt to have multiples going I guess

  • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

    ok im going to get alot of hate for this………..i know a lot of people are pretty upset about the used games DRM. it doesn’t really affect me because i buy all my games new, but i completely understand the issues everyone has also. but this guy explains it really well if you can put emotions aside for a few minutes and just listen.

    http://www youtube com/watch?v=2G_f8YBy39M

    i do think there is a better way to go about this DRM system feature without hurting the traditional borrowing of games. my biggest issue is the all new HAL 2.0 and why it is mandatory to collect data on me even if i dont want it to. i dont like the thought of having to check in every 24 hours either.

    • RED360

      Better idea.
      Installed: Install disk and you can decide to transfer code to game on drive. Disk becomes timed demo for your Bros. Bros happy

      Sell used game on drive: Coded game on dive you can sell back to ms.
      IF MS likes you you will get best deal for you used game.

      Sell to retailer: Coded disk/used game can be sold to retailer. Gamer choice.
      Gamer clicks a sell/uninstall in My games dash. Reports sale to MS.

      Market stays competitive Gamer is Happy.:) Most important.
      No requirement for re authentication of installed games.

    • BetrayedByM$

      you know, your state might be like mine, could have a law against that…so how M$ is going to get past this i dont know, unless they use their terms of service BS , which now that i think about it , they prob will. but there are some countries out there all ready , ready, to ban x1 …so M$ better come up with some answers soon

    • RED360

      TotalBiscuit make a good argument.

    • Max Rocktansky

      That video is the same half thought trough as the reveal of the Box. The value of goods it´s also determined by it´s price stability and it´s resell price. If the value of resell price is ZERO then the value of the original product is lowered too.

      Just because games are in a price range that everybody can afford one day, it´s still the same mechanism as e.g. with cars. Would you buy a new car, when you know the moment you take it out of the shop its resell value is ZERO? Or that the Manufafcturer charges you again – massively – when you try to resell it, cause your CarKey is locked with your DNA? Surely not.

      These are market rules. As not everybody on this planet is so rich to only buy new things there is a used market everywhere for nearly every product. The fact is: Most people are earning less and less money while a few get richer and richer. A concept like DRM surely supports this also – massively.
      As the games for the next generation are most likely even more expensive than the current one, this is even worse.

      Take a game like Tomb Raider for example (in fact I liked it). You pay – let´s say – 80,00 bucks next gen for it. You get 8-10 hours of gameplay – leave the always the same Deathmatch multiplayer aside. So you pay an average of 9,00$ foor each hour you play. I know enough people who did not earn that much in their jobs. And then, when you´re done with it? keep it in your libary cause you can´t sell it anymore cause the buyer has to pay you and up to another 80,00 bucks to buy it used – Congrats!

      As an average Gamer you pay roughly 300,00 for the console and during it´s circle of now 7 years surely at least 10 new games (as an average) – that´s another 700,00. Then you pay extra for additional download content and then with the BOX you pay another 400,00 for XBL Gold to play the games online (which is getting more expensive also most likely). So you pay – if you have 10 games another 40,00 for each and every game for Gold makes it 110,00 already and that´s just the current generation (and that soes not count extra bought content). Everybody here can have a look in their library and see is there are only 10 games! you bought new during the last years. Hey you even have to pay for clothes for your avatar :-)

      And that´s all not enough?

      The success by a console on the market is solely based on the support of the customers. If these customers cannot afford only new games they still can be fans and spread the word. When there are only a few people who can afford a system, there will be also only a few people playing, Imagine you go on multiplayer and have half an hour to wait until another player pops up…

      NO NO NO this can´t be the right policy.

  • BetrayedByM$

    i’m pretty sure at this point they realize their PR nightmare. But knowing them and knowing their History? They aren’t going to fix anything. They will let X1 launch as is and try at E3 to show all kinds of pretty games an ignore all the main issues most gamers are having with the system

  • BetrayedByM$

    http://www. neogaf .com/forum/showthread.php?t=568033 lmao did you guys scroll down an see all the pictures this guy made of KINECT watching everyone?

  • BetrayedByM$

    it looks like Sony because of neogaf is answering people on twitter, that’s cool . M$ should do that

  • rosbel rodriguez

    I read 5 min. ago that the kinect no always will be in on you will have the option to turning off, please microsoft that is not what we want we want that kinect won’t be necessary becuase like me I’m constantly moving from my room to my living room because my living room have a bigger TV, so if kinect will be necessary what will happen if when I’m moving from one room to the other I accidentally drop the kinect and I don’t have money for other kinect will be useless the xbox one and I won’t can play a video game, so please microsoft don’t put: kinect necessary, internet necessary and a fee for used games. please let it like is now the X360 without nothing of that things please.

    • Max Rocktansky

      There was written that you can set the whole box in a modus, were it will be possible to turn it off if it´s not needed. What modus will that be – Off and plugged out? That is the same wish wash turn around hide and seek like before. When it´s not needed? I thought it´s needed for everything. Also a Developer just has to implement a little to implement Kinect even with a stupid function and then it is needed again!

  • Max Rocktansky

    At the moment everything is at stake – not only the games.

    Remember the rumours before the systems were announced? That there will be no physical data disc supported? Well here it is and that´s exactly were this is heading to. When you destroy the used game market, there is no use to buy a disc anymore. If you have no value at all in your hands you can also use Games on Demand. That cuts of the market of physical data completely, means they earn much more money without all these distributers and manufacturers in between
    They just can upload it without any need for retailers – big and small.
    But they also failed to move the customers to there by free will as the GoD section at the moment is most of the time even more expensive than the physical alternative.

    Also with this there will be no international market anymore – no import games, no uncut games (which is very important for us here in Europe and especially in Germany as it is already IP-Locked for DLC´s right now) this will be like this with EVERY regular game too.

    Also they want a cut of the Tablet and Handy market where you already download everything. The difference still is: I can use my handy for much more things (phone, navigate etc.) I still can use it offline and the most expensive games are 9.99 – many good ones for 3.49 and a whole bunch for just 0.99. For 0.99 Cent I don´t care about the resell value.

    When they – and that does include Sony as well – are getting this done this will NOT stop with the games.

    What will stop them to force your Bluray-Player to lock the movies to it? You want to see a movie? Well enable an internet connection, put the disc in, lock it to your account and resell is gone there too.

    What will stop them to charge every person in front of your TV when watching it? Hey you are 4 people watching Wheel of fortune? Here´s the deal: pay 4 times 0,49$ for it.

    Of course this is still in the future, but this is the start of it right here right now and we – the customers are the only ones that can stop this right here and right now.

  • Jason Andrew Hahn

    My biggest concerns: Right now my entire
    household watches netflix and things off one profile because if Microsoft
    thinks we will pay 300$ a year JUST TO BE ONLINE, they can go kick
    rocks!!!!. I’m sure voice activation seems cool but I’m hoping it wouldn’t force
    that person to buy an xbox live membership to even use the damn thing. Unless Xbox live gets tied to console rather then profile how exciting do you think the voice feature will be?

    • Macy Slator

      If your biggest concern is having to use multiple LIVE accounts to watch netflix, you’re one of the suckers that keep MS in business. There is no freakin reason you should be paying for LIVE just to watch netflix. Can’t even believe that it crossed your mind to pay 300 bucks a year for your family. Go get a roku, apple tv, etc. It’s free to watch your Netflix subscription. People, please be smarter about your money.

    • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

      i cant believe you pay for that. i watch netflix on my tv, computer and PS3 free. its disgusting what people will pay for nowadays just because Xbox found an ill-informed consumer base.

      • safdf

        And don’t forget the Wii, Wii U, iOS, Android, 3DS, some DVD’s, BD’s and TV’s.

      • Jason Andrew Hahn

        I don’t even pay for my netflix lol but I am a gamer who loves party chat and that’s the only reason I have a 360

        • safdf

          Because of people like you is that MS have generalized us gamers as crooks.

          • Jason Andrew Hahn

            Lol, Yeah despite if my grandma, mom, dad, roommate or anybody else close by paid for the service I’m a crook….. I’m stupid for paying Xbox Live, I’m a crook for not paying for Netflix…. Welcome to the internet where everybody is wrong all the time -_-

          • safdf

            You never said your family paid for Netflix, that’s a whole different thing, you only said you didn’t pay it.

          • Jason Andrew Hahn

            It did not really require to be elaborated on but thank you for proving my previous point the problem with our horrible consumer base is that they make ASSUMPTIONS where there is none to be made:-P

            (spy cameras, hidden mic from big brother)

          • safdf

            OK, we are only making assumptions, go preorder your XBO, just don’t go to Amnesty or Human Rights Watch when they use evidence against you recorded thanks to Kinect 2. Sorry, I’m making assumptions again based on real filed patents by MS with drawings of Kinect and XBOX registering every move and habit.

        • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

          so your willing to pay fees just to party chat? that sounds just as bad. they have their claws dug in deep on you.
          i refuse to pay any company extra fee’s just to be able to go online. i already pay for internet.
          again i will say this, Xbox makes a fortune from consumers like this. this is the exact reason they are going after the living room, people are willing to pay extra money for things they are already paying for in the first place. i am going to laugh at all the people that buy this thing and are force to purchase live just to watch t.v, just as netflix.
          good luck friend, i hope it doesn’t cost more next gen.

        • Macy Slator

          with all our complaints towards MS so far. In the end, I feel it’s a losing battle. MS will come out successful due to ignorant customers willing to pay up the butt for access to nothing. SimCity saw tons of complaints but in the end sold millions. i give up.

    • https://twitter.com/#!/BeeDizz BeeDizz

      I certainly hope you don’t pay for Live JUST for Netflix? I happen to have Netflix and a few Live accounts but I would never pay a subscription fee to watch Netflix on a device that SO many other devices offer for free.

  • Bennijin

    This has to be the most traffic the blog’s seen since, well, since E3 2012 I suppose!
    Usually it’s just a few of us moaning about getting a raw deal.

    Some things never change.

  • Bert

    Normally when certain reputable tech sites post info about something they are usually spot on. I feel its a safe bet even before E3 that the public will know if xbone is changing their policies/requirements in anyway. I think it’s to late for any hardware changes to be made. The used game policy should and could definitely be fixed. I hope they start the show off with some of our concerns and addresses those upfront. They can save the games for later on in the presentation.

  • safdf

    To everyone writing here:
    People, don’t feel discouraged or disappointed for not being able to change the minds at Microsoft, all of us have titanically failed at that. However, you are changing something far more important: the minds of possible buyers.
    Microsoft won’t change a thing, won’t even redesign the console not even change the name, but many, many people are know aware of the possible threat this new “console” is, we have given them the knowledge and now is up to all of us to show them for real when the console is out. Let’s keep with this, don’t call MS for attention, tell the people, here, in face b o o k, twi tting, at chat room, at IRC’s, in your office, at school, everywhere. Not with the idea that you will change the way the “console” will be, but the way it will be sold, the way people will look at it, the way the people will make their choice.

    • Jedi Dna

      We must answer with our wallets! And let everyone know!

      • safdf

        That’s the spirit! Come on, people!

  • Jedi Dna

    People on this industry must understand that the right to re-sell, share or do whatever they want with the the product(game) IS seen as value by the customer! If you take that from the customer, they’ll see less value in your product and a 60$ sell WILL be much harder. Meaning that less units will be sold. And will affect the attach rate too as people won’t take riscs buying games they don’t know since there’s low or no re-sell value. So, expect even harder times for new IP!
    The DRM brings no benefit and some big issue for the customer: when the server goes down they’ll loose their console and the entire game library. People don’t mind loosing their 10$ arcade games after the server goes down but a 60$ AAA it’s another story!
    “Full games” (not XBL arcade or PSN) are the reason that people buy consoles and knowing that will loose it in a few years makes the sell even harder.
    Using myself as an example I have 107 Xbox 360 games, I would NEVER build a huge library like that if I knew I was going to loose all of then in few years!
    This could also have a serious effect on the install base for this consoles, specially in the early years, and if the install base is small then so are the sales.
    Every industry in the story of man kind survived the used market so why should be the gaming industry any different? It survived the last 40 years right? If things aren’t THAT good, then moving AGAINST your customer isn’t the smartest path as you can and, with such actions eventually will lose them!
    A move like that sounds more like a suicide to me! You will kill your golden goose!

    • safdf

      “A move like that sounds more like a suicide to me! You will kill your golden goose!”

      I say, “People and gamers of the world, let’s finish the job next November”

    • Nick Nack

      Very well put dude!

  • http://www.facebook.com/alan.mckenna.1980 Alan Mckenna

    The increased price of games both new and pre-owned plus the probable incoming decreased trade in values are bad enough. However because it comes with spycam 2.0 console is listed on Amazon UK at £600/$900 that’s way too much.

    • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

      lol, all the pre order prices for all next gen consoles and games are just placement holders… that is not the actual price.
      you can not put something up for sale at a low price then when it comes out jack the price up. they price it high as a placement holder then drop the price down to what its going to actually be when they announce the real price later.

      • http://www.facebook.com/alan.mckenna.1980 Alan Mckenna

        I know that but it already on other sites at £400, but with this being a bigger company the £200 difference is concerning because they would likely have more insight into actual pricing.

        • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

          i wouldn’t believe any pricing that is on the internet right now. im am pretty sure there is not one company out there that knows what the price is. the consoles are still in final development so it would be pretty foolish for stores (of any size) to advertise prices when final price will change.

          • safdf

            There’s another preposterous news around, according to Blockbuster in the UK, the preorders are through the roof, I bet MS offered them a bail out in case they go bankrupt, again.

          • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

            lol, i don’t believe anything blockbuster says. they closed up 99% of all their stores in Michigan so im sure they are trying to get people into what remaining stores are left worldwide from that company.
            also if you pre-order from amazon that doesn’t really count because you don’t even need money down to pre-order it. so essentially you can just say your going to get one and never actually fully get it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/alan.mckenna.1980 Alan Mckenna

            It’s shame though, my local Blockbuster closed and they where great for pre-owned games. In fact I took 2 huge bin bags of old DVD’s to it years ago, traded them in and was able to get the Xbox 360 brand new plus Condemned in early 06 with £5 in credit still left.

          • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

            that’s cool, i never did anything like that. i give all my stuff i don’t use anymore or don’t plan to use again to people whether it be friends, neighbors or youth centers filled with kids who truly cant afford to enjoy newer technology.

          • http://www.facebook.com/alan.mckenna.1980 Alan Mckenna

            I was poor and a full time carer at time so it enabled me to get the Xbox. It’s a shame though Xbox 360 was great for me it got me through the ups and downs of being a carer and was great distraction at night when I had free time and no internet . The new one feels like a giant cash grab and it’s a shame because gaming is great way to deal with the stress from being carer and in my volunteer work with mentally ill people, great for helping them cope with depression, stress and varied sleep patterns.

    • Paul Gbel

      £600 In these times would kill the next gen dead, thou I expect to pay £600 ish for theconsole, extra controller battery packs and games ontoo if they go much over £350 For Console in uk then ill look more closely at ps3 and see if the ps4 is worth anymore

  • senselocke

    Sadly, you’re likely correct.

    I just feel not enough people are giving attention to the incredible devaluation of every purchase on the platform the verification entails. Used games fees, always-on Kinect, required Live and installation and no BC, these are all important, but the fact that all money spent will, at some future point, be wasted, is the most vital part for me.

    Apparently Stephen Totilo at Kotaku asked Harrison this question, and this happened:

    “When I ran into Harrison later in the day, I told him that it seemed problematic that there’d be a day when Microsoft might shut down its servers and our Xbox One games would never work again, because they’d have no servers to tell them it was ok for them to run. He seemed to think that was unlikely. A problem for the year 2040, I suggested. He smiled and said something about not thinking that would happen.”

    It seems the jerk hasn’t even given a thought to it, from his vague and dismissive reply. Which, honestly fits the narrative–that no one actually thought of the consequences of any of this.

  • ReadTheArticlePlz

    It has to be different? Really? Shouldn’t you be more concerned about what is inside the shell? The plastic housing of my gaming system matters not at all to me. As long as I can put a disk in and play a game its fine.

  • Dirk Jungblut

    Interesting, isn´t it?:

    Source is gamepolitics, their source is kotaku and the german spiegel, i
    now the report in the german spiegel and i understand it very well (it´s my
    native language).

    Spiegel (german word for Mirror) = prestigious magazine with very
    capable journalists and relevant skills. A very reputable paper. Officer Schaar
    is at a very high position in our country.

    for myself it is not only the kinect issue that could prevent me from buying it. It is one of many possible features that prevent me from spending more money out of my wallet straight to microsofts money cloud.

    I noted down some Pros and Contras:

    Pro:

    – with my eyes looking only on the technology side it will be the better XBOX360 maybe with Full HD resolution gaming and also 60 Hertz frame rate

    – XBOX Live, a system i learned to love in all these years
    (and thats absolutely what i want, if i think about next gen. I just want more power in gaming)

    Contra (doesn´t matter if these are rumors or if it is true! Can wait till E3 to see if it is true or not, if my answers will not get answered till E3 or will get answered in saying only one or all rumors are true the game is over and there will be no X ONE and me in the future, it is as easy as it is):

    – Kinect can watch me all the time

    – Must always be online, because Kinect and thus the console cannot be controlled otherwise

    – Can supposedly going off, presumably is meant by power plug is
    pulled (my personal opinion: “i am not going to sleep by falling down on my face”, thanks to the beastie boys for this wisdom or how do i answer a question without answering to a question, find the not existing answer in the gamepolitics reports some lines below )

    – 24 hour online check (or similar) to validate data, otherwise suspend mode, no license protected content playable

    – How does it work thus playing cloud-based securities after the expiry of the console generation or after the end of the company Microsoft End or after the end of any support?

    – Is the purchase of digital content really purchaseor rent on time, probably even
    if the purchased products only work with validation and cannot be used when there
    is no longer any service/support

    – resale and sale of used games almost completely controlled by Microsoft,
    can be bought and sold only through certain dealers (no e.ay or a..zon, etc.)

    – Gamecode is swapped for alleged improvement in performance in the cloud, making it offline no longer reachable or playable

    – Without a cloud in the offline case, no normal handling of console or games and many more possible

    So did i miss some great upcoming features that told me: “Buy,buy,buy!”?

    Sorry, the only possible way to get rid of this whole thing, is being sarcastic with a pinch of irony…

    … and here is the report from gamepolitics:

    “Update: This kotaku story citing an unnamed Microsoft rep. notes
    that the Kinect does not have to be on all the time:

    “Yes, you can turn the system completely off,” the Microsoft rep said. “This
    would use no power and turn everything off. We’ll share more details about how it all works later.” Article author Stephen Totilo speculates that this involves pressing the console’s power button.

    The rep. goes on to say that the Kinect will offer custom privacy settings for those concerned about privacy issues.

    Original story: Germany’s federal data protection commissioner Peter Schaar is not too pleased with what he has heard about the new Kinect for Xbox One, calling it a “monitoring device” in one media report in German newspaper Spiegel The nature of the new Kinect to be always on and ready to react to a user’s every action concerns Schaar deeply:

    The Xbox continuously records all sorts of personal information about me,” Peter
    Schaar told Spiegel.

    “Reaction rates, my learning or emotional states. They are then processed on an external server, and possibly even passed on to third parties. Whether it be deleted
    ever, the person concerned cannot influence.”

    And while Microsoft has assured the press that has asked about privacy issues that they will protect data collected from the device, others think it is a new avenue
    that could be used by governments and law enforcement to collect voice and
    video data from consumers.

    For example, in Australia’s Civil Liberty Director, Tim Vines also thinks that the Kinect could have an impact on privacy. He believes that the device should be able to be
    shut off if that’s what consumers who are concerned about the information it
    collects want.

    “People should have the ability to turn off the camera or microphone, even if it limits
    the functionality of the machine,” [privacy is] “all about
    control”.

    “Of course, if Microsoft doesn’t allow that (control), then people should vote with their
    wallets and skip the next Xbox.”

    He goes on to say that the Kinect meets the definition of a surveillance device in Australia:

    “Microsoft’s new Xbox meets the definition of a surveillance device under some Australian laws, so they need to be upfront and tell customers whether anyone else can intercept their information or remotely access their device,” Vines said.

    With rumors surrounding a patent owned by Microsoft that uses the Kinect to count how many people are in the room when watching a movie or other entertainment, you can understand why some people are concerned about the capabilities of the device
    to collect data that could then be shared with all kinds of entities.

    With laws like CISPA and the FBI seeking greater powers to collect data many see the Kinect as just one more avenue for law enforcement and the government to keep tabs on what we are doing should we somehow find ourselves on the business end of a court order.”

    • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

      don’t forget Microsoft was a big financial backer and supporter of CISPA

      • Dirk Jungblut

        oh thanks, that makes the situation much more worse

  • Paul Gbel

    Oh I 100% believe you want trade in games after all you want the your slice of it.
    You lot at Micromuppets really need to pick a story and stick to it. For its always online to every 24h, its on no you can turn it off, to infact its not really off as asleep in a low power mode. I could go on and on but whats the point your not listening anyway, even thou tou say u are! If so why turn off YouTube comments lol.
    E3 is going to be to late for you to swing People like me a 10 year xbox owner to buy a Spybox. As I dont care if the box can play games even better than the Ps4, your actions or lack of them and as far as I can tell your greed and want for control has finished my future custom with yourself.
    I now wait to see how well ps4 does and at best see how it compares to the Spybox. For that I will decide if I want to buy the ps4 or ps3 or make the jump to an apple pc

  • safdf

    People, stop thinking you can stop MS, the ONE is going to go as planned, there’s nothing we can do about it, but, we can kill it and force MS to do another real console. So, stop begging Microsoft to change its ways and start informing the people outside the web, the change will be in November when we decide not to buy and had convinced more people not to buy as well.

  • InfernoShade

    Wish all the whiners would read this, and stop they mindless ranting. Seems they are wrong about a number of things.

    • http://www.daylondeon.com/ Deacon

      no problem .. pass it around and share it :)

  • deltafarce411

    The “Xbox One” the name is ridiculous it sounds like the Xbox 1 from 2001 “I can’t afford the new Xbox so I’m going to get a Xbox ONE” are you kidding me. Just like every gamer in the Xbox community I am livid over Microsoft’s announcements. Microsoft why did you let Sony use you? Now Sony is in the perfect position to take over the console market, they have enough time to announce a console that doesn’t do what the Xbox ONE does. A Kinnect that has to be connected to the console in order to work…if I want to play game I want to sit in my chair drink a mountain dew and enjoy a couple of hours of my favorite game. Plus your camera being a monitor in the bedroom or living room. Used games I can understand this isn’t your policy but more than likely the greedy developers and publishers policy that want pushed across the board with all next-gen consoles. Also, the Xbox ONE has to “check in” every 24hrs too see if I am behaving and don’t have any games I’m not suppose to have?!?! I guess your worried that everyone will buy one game and everyone will go around and copy copy copy to the Xbox ONE. What happens if my internet goes down or the people without a broadband connection, well I guess they don’t have to worry about purchasing your console…believe it or not Microsoft not everyone buys an Xbox to play on Xbox LIVE. You state that the “ONE” is going to be the the all in one entertainment system. well this isn’t true your new “Xbox ONE” can’t even play 360 games so this will add another device to sit in my entertainment center along with my cable box…don’t get me started on the TV TV TV. Why would I want to use the Xbox ONE to watch TV there are these things called cable boxes that use HDMI and coax cables to connect to TVs, plus with smart TV’s now with built in apps, you are shooting yourself in the foot Microsoft. Your equipping your new console with technology that will be outdated in about 2 years, haven’t you seen what AMD has been up too lately with their Radeon GPU chips as well as their APU chips? Sounds to me your getting out of touch with the gamers the customers that WANT to give you money to play games and have a great time with their friends and family online or offline, just give us a console that will be a solid device for the same life span the 360 has gone. Looks like i’ll be keeping my Xbox 360 for a while longer.

  • safdf

    Stop begging, kill the ONE next November and Holidays. Act!

  • Dan Page

    Haha, check this out: http://lolchamp com/xbox-one-reveal-in-a-nutshell

    • safdf

      It didn’t make me laugh the first time when I saw it live, oh, wait, this is a cartoon.

  • gilhern04

    Yeah that’s true

  • Steve

    Well if they don’t change anything, everyone needs to educate all there friends on Facebook, Xbox live, twitter, and whatever social media outlet there is. The more people know will equal less sales for them which will eventually lead to change. I know I’ll be speaking with my wallet… How about you?

    • safdf

      That’s exactly what i talk about, however, I don’t think it will change anything with the ONE, but might bring a better one to replace it.

    • RED360

      Agreed

  • http://www.facebook.com/alan.mckenna.1980 Alan Mckenna

    Is the new supposed price leak accurate? Rumoured low GB HD being £200 and 500GB being £299 in UK, with xbl cost going up 50% ($15 instead of $10)

    • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

      i can see it being around that price, i guess we will find out soon enough though

      • http://www.facebook.com/alan.mckenna.1980 Alan Mckenna

        Supposedly came from chief financial officer at game spot. Though if true would prefer the HD to be same but cheaper version comes without Kinnect. That may persuade me to at least consider not buying PS4. Does sound really cheap and not sure M$ has the guts to undercut Sony and lose so much on consoles – there preowned games fiasco may explain the willingness to risk it.

        • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

          im sure they are willing to go that mile… they will make up the losses in all the hidden fee for app’s to use. plus we pay for live, (not all money goes to servers) and then there is the ad’s, and who knows, maybe found a way to have ad’s pop up on screen between matches or paused screens. now that their focus has switched from core gamer to casual non-gamers they are pushing into the (couch potato) person, also the sports person…. they way they are targeting this could be huge profits on the back end. (take huge losses up front and massive profits in back).
          this system just isnt for me. im a gamer and don’t like ad’s and hidden fee’s and pretty much everything said during their press conference. games are games… we already know they are coming at E3. every system has them…. now if they had some totally mind blowing games at E3 then i would reconsider but you would have to have some of the greatest $h!t i have ever seen in my entire life, and we all know that isnt going to happen. its going to be the typical games with some extras thrown in.

    • Nick Nack

      I keep seeing £399 on zavvi for the uk!

      • http://www.facebook.com/alan.mckenna.1980 Alan Mckenna

        And £600 on Amazon, but people on IGN and Xbox forums seem to think it could be legit leak. I’m not sure.

        • Nick Nack

          Yeah it could be legit,but £600 is incredibly steep for most peoples pockets.I have a friend who works at GAME,and he reckons it’ll be between £400 and £450.Mind you all the stuff i’m hearing about the Xbox One i’m really not liking it personally.Microsoft are taking the piss with us gamers,and they’re just getting greedier and greedier.I hate how they expect people to buy all new accessories as well like gaming headsets etc.Talk about taking the piss!

          • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

            there is no way in hell that they will charge almost $680 USD. sony had the hardest time selling their ps3 at $599 USD last time around, Xbox dogged on them for trying to get that much. people didn’t buy it until they dropped in price. i see this thing selling between 450-500 usd.

          • Jamie Putnam

            $680 = H€ll no.

          • ReadTheArticlePlz

            Add to that if they truly want to capture the more casual gamer, a 400-500 price point is just way to high.

        • Bennijin

          Amazon policy is if you preorder something and the price goes down you pay the lower price, it won’t be £600 that’s just Amazon hedging their bets.

    • safdf

      Any price is just too much for something they will allow you to use and charge you extra for that and terminate it when they want.

  • MrRadiolips

    Modcrash website

    Xbox One Price, Release Date Per Retailer

    When Microsoft introduced the Xbox One they did not go into detail on the Xbox One price or when it would be releases but instead told fans to wait until E3 to get the answers they were looking for in regards to that. A Spanish retailer has put out on the web a possible cost and release date for the Xbox One. Xtralife. es has put out on their website the preorder availability of the Xbox One for €600 for about $775 USD. The retailer also gives the Xbox One a release date of December 5th.

    • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

      HELL F()CK!NG NO!!!!! there is no possible way it will be that much.

      • Tomo

        Welcome to Europe. Of course, it will be hundreds cheaper in the United States…

        • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

          you might want to rethink that considering your currency is worth more than mine. they give it a set price in USD and your price reflects what your currency is equivalent to.
          i wish my dollar was worth what the pound or even euro was…. if it was the pound i would get 1.51 for every dollar instead, hell even the euro is 1.29. to my dollar so you actually get more for your money.

    • Shenmue

      I very much doubt anybody has MSRP on the device yet. People are just taking the picture and putting it on their sites and setting an imaginary price.

  • slider2nl

    source is Joystic

    Xbox One Kinect is a ‘monitoring device,’ German data commissioner says.

    Germany’s federal commissioner for data protection and freedom of information, Peter Schaar, expressed concern over the Xbox One’s Kinect functionality, calling it a “monitoring device” over which the player (or bystander) has little control.

    “Under the heading, ‘game device,’ Microsoft pushes a monitoring device in the market,” Schaar told Spiegel, translated by Google Translate. “The Xbox continuously records all sorts of personal information about me: reaction rates, my learning or emotional states. These are then processed on an external server, and possibly even passed on to third parties. Whether they will ever deleted, the person can not influence.”

    The Xbox One’s Kinect is always on as long as it’s plugged in, listening for specific commands to wake up the entire system. Microsoft Corporate Vice President Phil Harrison responded to earlier privacy concerns presented by Eurogamer by calling Microsoft a “leader in the world of privacy.”

    “We aren’t using Kinect to snoop on anybody at all,” Harrison said. “We listen for the word ‘Xbox on’ and then switch on the machine, but we don’t transmit personal data in any way, shape or form that could be personally identifiable to you, unless you explicitly opt into that.”

  • Arron Clements

    “Taking your lifes problems out on MS isn’t going to help.. if you care that much about it maybe its time to get off the couch!! Hehe. Lol. Christ im funny!! Hows that crow tast!! Lol”

    No you’re not funny, you are in actual fact illiterate.

  • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

    http://www youtube com/watch?v=R2Q2xENXq4w

  • barry3218

    A bit off topic here but is it just me or is don mattrick just soo funny, i dont know what it is about him but i couldnt stop laughing when he was talking he seems like a really nice guy i hope hes back for E3. i could listen to him all day haha.

  • BetrayedByM$

    http://www. gameskinny .com/6akyl/the-alarming-nature-of-the-xbox-ones-kinect-requirement-and-usage

  • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

    if the kinect see’s it self in a mirror will it become self aware and take over the world?

    • Bennijin

      Skynect.

  • DOCHOLLIIDAY

    Not to sound like a broken record….If you have read my previous posts you know: I prefer the xBox, always have. However I acutally think I will have the self control to give Sony my pre-order vote this time. Sure they probably had a DRM system in mind but competition breads contempt. MS has been an ungreatful girlfriend (or boyfriend for all you ladies) that needs to be dumped.
    I own all PS/MS consoles but this time I honestly plan to wait a very long time if ever to purchase the xBox one….unless everyone else was just blowing hot air and buy one like lemmings. Then fudge, what is the point right?
    As consumers we can’t take MS back for a very long time. The best way to avoid DRM long term, not this next generation, but the next, next generation is to pick a side and punish the other manufacture. In this case this would Microsoft.
    The best part is Microsoft will and has given in to preasure but will keep thinking maybe next time. So we have to crush the DRM thing….
    We also have to stick together; if we just talk junk in this forum then go out and buy xBox One everyone is a loser.
    Now for all you PS3 lovers out there this won’t be hard. What’s worse is we, xBox fans, may even have to hear a lot of ‘I told you so.’ *sigh*
    ….Anyway I wonder how many xBoxers like me are willing to take one for the team?
    So who hasn’t signed up for xBox pre-order or who plans to switch sides for the sake of gaming?
    Unless you are 85 and aren’t going to see the next generation we need to take a side to prove who is boss; THE CONSUMER
    ~Doc
    PS. You taking notes Sony….your a$s may be next.

    • Dylan

      Whoever doesn’t have anti-consumer policies, is the next company I go to. I’m done giving brand loyalty to Microsoft.
      If Sony treats me like a thief as well, then I will skip this generation.
      Might have to get a PC

      • DOCHOLLIIDAY

        I am the worst when it comes to avoiding anti-consumer organizations, I admit it.
        But not this time because it really struck a chord with me.
        Americans should vote with the dollars more often than they do.
        What’s sad is it took GAMING to get me off my rear and put away my wallet.
        Maybe if this works we can do something for humanity next time.

    • BADASS GAMING

      I’ve never been a guy to go on forums and talk but a couple of months ago I decided to start youtube channel and do videos on video games since I love playing them in the first place. (I’ve tried not to push it on here, but subscribes are always appreciated). So I was really excited to hear about the next xbox one, and I was planning on what kind of videos I was going to do and what games I was going to get (Destiny, Halo, COD, etc…)

      THEN I started hearing rumors…. and my friend works at Microsoft and tried his best to defend them saying they were only rumors – but I told him, where there’s smoke, there’s usually fire – and sure enough, all the rumors were true.

      I’ve been xbox since day 1. The only playstation I ever had was the first one. This situation has me so incredibly pissed off that not only will I NEVER buy one (even if it hurts my youtube channel), but I’m doing everything in my power to try to get as many people not to buy them as well – and THAT’S why I’m on here.

      Hell, I’ve even started a petition to try to spread the word…

      The point is, there’s a lot of people that are going to complain and then end up getting it anyway. Release is still 6 months away, and MS has a very good PR team.

      But for change to happen, not only do we have to be as vocal as we can about the situation – but we have to back that talk up with our wallets.

      Buying an xbox is telling Microsoft you support all these things – so don’t do it.

      PS I’ve been trying to think of a great video to illustrate all of this. Any ideas are appreciated

      • BetrayedByM$

        the cool thing is , i saw today people on black ops 2, their tags for their calling cards i think their called, they have on there, boycott xbox one spy camera, an boycott x1 kinect , say no to big brother xbox one…i mean i saw all kinds today an i thought that was cool an a good way to share with people , which worked cause people in the lobbies were asking about their calling cards an why they wanted to boycott xbox one.

        • BADASS GAMING

          that’s a good idea – i’ll have to do that

          • Assassin

            i’ll have to get on that too. good idea

          • BetrayedByM$

            yeah i changed mine in the lobby when i was listening to everyone, lol i thought it was a cool idea. an it really did inform a lot of gamers who then changed their tags as well

      • DOCHOLLIIDAY

        Right behind you man. You are correct we have to stick together.
        It’s pretty easy when you think about it because xBox isn’t the only console in town.

        • BADASS GAMING

          exactly

      • Michael DeVore

        I sent you a message to your youtube channel. I don’t consider it wise to discuss details in plain view just yet.

    • http://videogamersblog.com/ Bryan Stilbon Conrad

      I have been playing on Xbox since the first one was released. Back then I was a hardcore fanboy of PlayStation. Then I watched someone playing Halo I was hook, from then on it has been Xbox all the way….until now.

      I get what MS is trying to do, but it will blow up in there face and if Major nelson isn’t in a broad room telling them so then there is no hope for them

      For me it’s not so much about DRM or used games. For me it’s the Kinect having to be connected and always on for me to use my console, that bothers me. I have no use for it and I really don’t want a camera and mic I have no real control over in my house, period

      So to answer to your question “PlayStation 4″ on release day – Xbox One as of now never.

 
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