June 6th 2013 3:00 pm PT

Details on Xbox One Connectivity, Licensing and Privacy Features

Today we shared more information about our vision for Xbox One. In this vision we also have some of the details around digital licensing, connectivity, and privacy.  After reading the posts, you’ll get a better idea of how we’ve designed Xbox One to amplify a new generation of Xbox Live.

How Games Licensing Works on Xbox One

Xbox One: A Modern, Connected System

How Xbox One and the new Kinect Sensor Put You in Control

       
       
       

Xbox One By Larry Hryb, Xbox LIVE's Major Nelson

  • BlessTheKid

    Geoff Keighley had an interview with Don Mattrick (recorded pre conference) – here are some excerpts:

    Keighley:”Did you know or did you anticipate the way the people would push back?”

    Mattrick:”Absolutely – it’s a super passionate community of people…
    till you use it [Xbox One] it’s really hard to understand what all the
    advantages are.”

    ________________________________________________________

    Mattrick: “Xbox has been created by gamers for gamers.”

    ________________________________________________________

    Mattrick: “Fortunately we have a product for people who aren’t able to get some form of connectivity, it’s called xbox 360″

    ________________________________________________________

    Mattrick: “The avarage internet connection is working the majority of
    the day – people are imagining that it isn’t… It’s change. There was a
    point in time when people would say all i want my phone to do is make a
    phonecall.”

    • BlessTheKid

      There will be no changes! You want to play offline I suggest you keep your 360.

      • BADASS GAMING

        The Xbox One. ONE system for all your entertainment needs. Except that you need the 360 still… So I guess it’s not the One system you need. It’s more like the One system you need in addition to the other system you may or may not already have…

    • Dylan

      That last quote makes no sense.

      Every phone can make a phone call, but the PHONE DOESN’T FORCE YOU TO USE THE MAP APP TO DO THAT.

      • Nun Ja

        So it’s just Windows Phone 8 that forces the map app to make a call!?

    • slider2nl

      Mattrick: will he say the same thing when there own servers crashes and live will be out for weeks

    • BADASS GAMING

      the guy will be fired by this time next year

    • Sopranosfan

      In other words “Deal With It”

  • Costas

    This just in ” the xbox ne will only operate with white people”

    • Kev Greenhalgh

      What is that supposed to mean?

    • Shawn Springer

      Poor people who arent white wont be able to use it. Its a racial joke.

      • Kev Greenhalgh

        And that makes it funny?

        • Nun Ja

          It’s funny because the xbox one’s policies are insulting and alienating a lot of people by their restrictions, this is just hyperbole, satire. You know #dealwithit and all.

  • MotherNelson

    I really hate sony… thanks alot microsoft. You’ve ruined gaming for me… well the NEXT gen anyway…. It’s days like this where I am SO grateful that i have my dreamcast still.

    http://www youtube

    com/watch?v=Vn1qN1ed7Kw

    • MotherNelson

      LOL that… wasn’t the link that I was….

      well anyway…

      http://www youtube

      com/watch?v=r19ys9zoWIE

      • BADASS GAMING

        you rule

    • Kev Greenhalgh

      You “really hate Sony”? No you don’t. Just like you don’t hate Pioneer, Denon, Panasonic, Toshiba, Sharp and a multitude of electronic
      giants that make your life better. You’re a glory hunter, and moaner, grow up.

      • MotherNelson

        uh…no.. I seriously HATE sony. ALL of sony. always have. their TV’s their overhyped surround sound bull$*1t…. you don’t know anything about me. I hated PS1 and I STRONGLY hate PS2 for it’s over-hyped mediocrity.

        • Kev Greenhalgh

          Have your family moved to mental health issues, Has your father/mother tried to help in regards to mental issues?

          • MotherNelson

            Have you thought about not being a pompous jerk? No? Try it.

          • Nun Ja

            PS1 was kind of lame, but in retrospect there were some gems. PS2 was a solid console, aside from Kingdom Hearts there aren’t too many exclusives that jumped out at me. I hate Sony for it’s pioneering of spyware and root kits, that is why I don’t use sony music cds.

          • MotherNelson

            guys, my BLIND, BIASED, hatred for sony has more to do with my devotion as a Sega fan… so don’t try to understand it.. it’ll never go away as long as sega is out of the hardware market…

      • BADASS GAMING

        ANY company that purposely tries to screw it’s own fan base deserves to be shut down and go out of business. game over for MS

  • rosbel contreras

    other good new from sony the hard disk will be upgraded like 360 did it

    • rosbel contreras

      in ps4

      • rosbel contreras

        and region free

        • deadbox102

          And BS free

    • Nun Ja

      It’d be better if it were upgradable like the PS3 is, i.e. upgrade the hard drive with any sata drive. I’m not sure if that is the case though.

  • Sopranosfan

    Major, I will put in a good word for you at Sony for when the XBone becomes your final console like the Dreamcast. I genuinely think you are a nice guy and I hate that your overlords are destroying your company.

  • DarkMaturus

    We do need some clarification about this 10 member of my family sharing from anywhere on any xbox one. Please explain

    • BADASS GAMING

      *Ahem.. Let me try to explain…

      “We want to make more money off of you, but people got really upset at us and so in order to make it look like we’re listening to your concerns, we back-peddled and came up with a family sharing and friend sharing plan if they’re on your friends list for 30 days. Unfortunately now though, we’re completely screwed because we’re very greedy and pompous, and decided to screw over our fans for the sake of making more money. Oh Well.

      Love,

      Your Soon-To-Be Unemployed Microsoft Representative

      PS

      Cool video showing what went wrong:

      http://www.
      youtube
      .com/watch?v=r19ys9zoWIE

      • RED360

        LOL

        • BADASS GAMING

          hahaha

      • MotherNelson

        This. All of it.

    • Bob Van Den Heuvel

      The fact that you even need clarification says it all, innit? Abandon ship!

  • Nun Ja

    How is PS4 the dark side (this gen that is)?

  • Nun Ja

    That would be unnecessary, ten people will really be upset about that

  • Nun Ja

    They wanted to be more like Apple, to bad xBox (ex)fans are smarter than Apple fans.

  • Please Clarify

    So it is true: you cannot buy games for Xbox Done, only rent them.

    But instead of a rental fee, you have to pay full price.

    • DarkMaturus

      Where is your source?

      • Please Clarify

        My source is Microsoft’s own official info page:
        http://news xbox com/2013/06/license
        (replace the spaces with full stops)

        Xbox One requires daily access to Microsoft’s DRM servers. When Microsoft no longer sees it profitable to keep these servers running, your console and your games cease functioning. Microsoft has refused to comment on their plans for that day.

        Your bought games are not yours to keep.

  • YAYA

    EA Denies Asking Microsoft For Used Games DRM

    • Nun Ja

      While twirling their Snidely Whiplash mustache, tying a woman to the railroad tracks, and snickering.

  • Trevor

    Dude we all have that same story that’s why we’re here sorry man its a let down I know

  • BADASS GAMING

    same story for me. No RROD’s tho…

    wanna help spread this around? Pretty much sums it all up

    http://www.
    youtube
    .com/watch?v=r19ys9zoWIE

  • YAYA

    its an anti-consumer console. I don’t know how anyone could support buying it.

  • Dylan

    Viacom, a partner with Microsoft, pulled the original video with Don Mattrick interviewed by Geoff Knightley due to “copyright grounds”

    Guess they didn’t want people to know how pompous, how arrogant their higher ups are.
    Here’s the re-upload.

    http://www youtube com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vWHbgwUJ1R8

    • MotherNelson

      someone just got fired.

    • Bob Van Den Heuvel

      And this just shows how Microsoft is totally out of contact with the world of gamers. The interview actually went on by him saying he hadn’t even thought of a person being on a nuclear submarine, who approached him why he can’t have an X1 now. Answer: keep your 360, because there’s no internet on a sub. Duh…half of the world hasn’t even got internet and the other half have unstable connections at best. What WERE they thinking in HQ?!

      • Fingleberries

        OK – I’m playing devil’s advocate a little here, but go with me on this.

        On the original Xbox, Microsoft decided against a Modem and included a Network Port. Something that would only be usable with a Broadband connection. People poured scorn on them from a height, thinking they were mad – No one has Broadband, you must be crazy – they turned out to be right.

        OK, so now that broadband is more prevalent they decide to bank on the fact that customers are likely to have broadband and have placed their bet on that.

        I just figure, if they can justify the requirement – that is to say that *all* games will be better because of the required connectivity, that they can know that the servers ‘in the cloud’ are available then I will understand it better.

        Personally, I don’t like that the Game functionality is cut off after 24 hours without connection. I would prefer the option to choose if I want to be Offline or online.

        • Bob Van Den Heuvel

          I think, being a European myself and being all too aware of the PRISM project the NSA has set up, it’s scary – to say at the least – that a Kinect camera/mic and an always on internet connection feels highly uncomfortable right about now. On a personal level: I take my main console with me when I go on holiday. Where there’s no internet. I’m a bit out of luck then? Oh no…wait…I can take my 360 with me!

          Internet connection should never, ever be required for a console to play single player games. It’s not a matter of thinking ahead, it’s a means to control you and the cash flow of Microsoft. And that’s bad news.

        • ReadTheArticlePlz

          And thats where the problem for many of us is… the fact that microsoft is forcing things on us instead of giving us the option. Take the kinect. I have a 360 and a kinect, however I only plug it in when I play a kinect game. I would have no problems with the X1 and the K2 if it was an optional deal, even if it came in the box with all X1′s, if I only had to have it plugged in to play a kinect only game. I understand that MS says you can totally shut the kinect down but if that is the case then why can I not unplug it and still have the unit work. If it is TOTALLY shut down, like they claim I can, why can it not be unplugged. Do I have broadband internet that I leave my 360 always plugged into? Yes, but I also understand that MANY people don’t or cannot. I have family that lives in the country and broadband is not possible for them short of a satellite connection. It is not a matter that they cannot afford cable or dsl, it is just not an option.

          I like MS, their products generally make my life easier but in this case they are banking too much on us just accepting what they want us to have and not listening when we say otherwise.

        • Riki Rocket

          or one hour if your at a mate house or something… if the others in the market can do it without it, ask why? its simple the answer is money….

      • scorand

        ok Fingleberries, you played devil advocate,, now heres the rundown.. a lot of people thought that what they were dong was going to cause what microtard is doing now..

  • MotherNelson

    HEY EVERYONE!!! CHECK OUT THE HOTTEST NEW CONSOLE!

    xboxdone [dot] com

  • Bob Van Den Heuvel

    It is really, really, completely and utterly incomprehensible how Microsoft won me over in 2005 and since Kinect and advertising on an aweful Tile Dash, left me feel with utter shame of even owning a 360 still. But this..THIS?! This X1 (WHY that stupid name?!) is a console made by accountants, made by money hungry people. It will be the first console in 30 years I won’t be buying. I’m really angry, but also sad that you tried to destroy the console market in an unrespectful approach of trying to control your clientelle. You deserve all the backlash you get now, Microsoft. You should feel ashamed by how you’ve been treating us. Us gamers, who made you big in the first place.

    I’d hate to be in a console market only being dominated by Sony, but it will come to pass now, I’m sure of it. Ditch Kinect, ditch DRMs, ditch the management, ditch your obvious ties and deals with EA’s (and Xbox’s ex-) Peter Moore and hire some passionate gamers for once. They’ll know how to create a great console. You know, like a PS4?

    Two PS4′s preordered.

  • Bob

    WELL GOT A FEW MONTHS IF THEY DONT LISTEN I HAVE FOUR SONS WITH XBOXES INCLUDING MYSELF AND I WILL BUY 5 PS4s AND GIVE ALL MY 360S AWAY TO KIDS WHO DONT HAVE MUCH MONEY TO BUY THEM!

  • DarkMaturus

    Please read the above articles carefully before freaking out lol

    • Bob Van Den Heuvel

      Yeah, how Kinect and Xbox One puts YOU in control…right..Fixed: How you are being controlled by Kinect and Xbox One.

  • Sascha Ookami

    I already see parents giving back the X1 because they think its broken after 24 hours.

  • Matthew Kauth

    I have a question. I’m curious to know if games will still work on Xbox One when the console is unable to connect to Xbox Live in 15 years or so when Microsoft releases the next Xbox. I was hoping you could clarify if the games I buy for the Xbox One will keep working after that point. Any information about this would be very greatly appreciated, thank you.

    • Bob Van Den Heuvel

      That’s the whole point! It’s all in the hands of Microsoft whether they keep their servers up or not. If the decide the servers for Xbox One need to close down (remember they did that with the REAL Xbox 1), then you are completely wiped of your game collection. You are renting games, not buying them or owning them.

      • Matthew Kauth

        What I’m wondering is if maybe they will release a software update when they turn off the servers that disables the authentication and account binding so you don’t lose all the games you buy. Or maybe the Xbox One games will work with the next generation Xbox released after it. At some point, Stores like Gamestop will stop selling Xbox One games and since the servers for the Xbox One would be down, it wouldn’t make sense to just allow everyone who bought an Xbox One to lose their games. I just want to know if they do plan to do something that would prevent us from losing access to all the games we buy.

        • Bob Van Den Heuvel

          Only the future can tell, but I wouldn’t bet on Microsoft being altruistically inclined, do you? My fear was that retro gaming would have ended with the coming generation, but luckily Sony saved that and the console business in the near future. For now.

      • Riki Rocket

        hell yeah sir you run that game and M$ wake up you money grabbing fools

  • FoxHound R – Xbox One Day One

    All that’s come out is that PS4 has worse DRM than XBOX ONE. XBOX ONE DAY ONE! Steamrolling on the preorders.

    • ReadTheArticlePlz

      How is it worse? For disk based games there is NO drm with regards to single player. The individual publishers can choose to make DRM for online multiplayer, a scenario that is exactly the same as it is today on both the PS3 and the 360. There is no daily checks, no online requirement when installing games, you CAN rent games, you CAN lend your friends games, and you CAN buy a used game with everything but online play guaranteed to be allowed. Please enlighten us as to how that is worse than the XB1 drm?

      • Riki Rocket

        ohh this i want to hear? come on you micro troll, please tell us how the sun comes outta microsofts arse and makes you soo warm and fuzzy inside that whats going on in the real world just dosent matter…

        /major scarcsim

    • ReadTheArticlePlz

      Please enlighten us as to how the drm on the ps4 is worse? For disk based games all offline play is totally drm free other than having to have the disk in the drive. For online play the publishers have the option to require a one-time-use code/season pass/ etc.. This is exactly how it is currently on both the ps3 and 360. Users will be able to rent games, lend them to friends, sell, and buy used games without any fear that ANY of the offline features will not work. Again this is exactly how it is now. There is no daily internet check-in that would disable most of the functionality of the machine if missed and no internet require to install games. I fail to see in any way how the ps4 policies are worse than the X1.

  • FoxHound R – Xbox One Day One

    There is a solution for offlline play, as Don Mattrick said “Just use your xbox 360″ for everone else there’s teh future of gaming. #xboxOneDayOne

    • Bob Van Den Heuvel

      And how are these people going to play new games, then? Clearly you don’t mind that Microsoft controls all of your games, can look and listen into your living room, dares to ask 100 Euro more for a console that’s theoretically by far worse in performance BUT also nearly destroyed the console business model as we know it? A console should be simple. Pop in a disc and play. Not having to wade through 3 massive faqs what my rights are as a consumer, how licenses work and come to the conclusion that I, as a consumer, have no rights anyway. You’d be a complete Microsoft zealot to support this eco system, which is bad for gaming in general.

      • scorand

        right on the mark Bob..

    • deadbox102

      Or just buy the NEW PS4.

    • Batman85

      You really do have your head so far up M$ arse its embarrassing wake up and smell the Gravy M$ have F*cked the pooch and are going to pay for it HA!

    • Riki Rocket

      No really how much are they paying you fox?

    • scorand

      and how long before they do the same with the 360??

  • deadbox102

    I feel like I’m watching a MMA fight and MS is the guy unconscious and keeps getting pounded while the ref is off in the corner with his feet kicked up sipping on some iced tea.

    • Nun Ja

      It’s more like Sony found out that it’s opponent can’t stand fans cheering, for sony or itself. So Sony is making the crowd roar, and Microsoft is in the fetal position, covering it’s ears and crying “it’s not me, it’s them” over and over

  • deadbox102

    Here is my suggestion. If you don’t have internet buy a PS4 instead of a console that’s been out for 7-8 yrs.

  • Nun Ja

    Xbox One is double plus good, PS4 is double plus ungood.

    • Nun Ja

      All votes are double plus good.

      “WAR IS PEACE
      FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
      IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.”

  • Willy Chris Hui

    I have been a proud Xbox owner since 2001, the Xbox has guided me through life and never failed to entertain me. From Halo CE to Halo 4, from Fable to Fable 3, from Gears to Gears 3, I really enjoyed being part of the Xbox family. This E3 you showed us what potential the Xbox One has, I don’t know what people are thinking when they say Sony’s conference was better but I guess that’s just a matter of opinion.
    .
    However, these policies are tearing this family into pieces. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not against these policies for they do not affect me in a negative way, the contrary actually, but the fact that you are alienating a group of passionate offline gamers is questionable at best, and very wrong at worst. These policies will affect those who do not have an internet access at all, and those whose internet connection is not fast enough to enjoy those many benefits.
    .
    Fellow gamers, the Xbox One does give us the possibility to lend games digitally, and apparantely only for 10 “family members” but I do not think Microsoft will be able enforce this, it will probably be like the Xbox Live Gold Membership. Those who do not have a stable and fast internet connection can still borrow the actual disc to install the game.
    .
    So this is not the problem. But forcing everybody to connect to the internet 24h is too much to ask for, Microsoft. People, if one can use smartphones to enable internet access for the One, then only a few will have problems when something is wrong with the internet. Still, what of those who live in rural areas? If they don’t have a normal access to the internet I doubt they have smartphones with cellular internet access.
    .
    The reason why Microsoft is doing this is because of the ability to play games without the actual disc. This is why you can’t lend games, rent games, resell games at whatever retailer you want. This is why Microsoft needs a connection every 24h, to make sure you can’t play a sold game longer than 24h. Why are you doing this, Microsoft?
    .
    I truly believe, unlike many many others, you mean well, but this is unacceptable, a deal-breaker for so many, even if it wouldn’t affect them. I believe in your vision, but there are other ways to make it come true. Removing mandatory installation would fix it all, only give us the choice to install the game. Many, many gamers would appreciate it, many would actually consider getting the Xbox One. This is nothing big I am asking for, it is actually something many gamers expect from a gaming console.
    .
    No matter the outcome, I will still buy the One. But it saddens me to see so many disappointed gamers leaving the family. Please, share your concerns on the policies in a polite way. Share it with anybody who could help, Microsoftsmen in Twitter, Facebook and so on. People from other consoles, please help us, too. We need the support! Together as gamers we could make it happen, maybe Microsoft will change the policies in our favor after this.
    .
    0409

    • Riki Rocket

      Sorry to say this but i like you have been on the xbox since 01 but cant see how this drm stuff is a good thing. its like they are trying to corner the market like in pcs… but unlike pcs we have a choice.

      as for the borrowing of the disk, that wont work due to the mandatiory install and will need to be online to do it. All i see is microsoft trying to get money grabbing at anything they can, saying that its down to the publishers is rubbish as that system shouldnt be in place, the console shouldnt even support it.

      almost 100 quid cheeper, no drm no used game BS, clear policies and an understanding on consumer loylaty… yeah microsoft needs to take up and re think this plan of thiers fast or its going to be a very hard future for the console.

      on the same sort of note… 7 years from now, your games that you have built up are taking up too much server space, well guess what as its a glofied rental, that games gone… forever and theres nothing you can do about it. As ya cant play the xbox live launch titles anymore like Mech Assult online anymore stop and think long term here. 60 quid for a rental on x1 or 60 quid for ownership on other consoles…? what would you do for the same game?

      As it stands right now, it would take blind faith to not relise that sony has microsoft ofver a barrel right now. ps take all your sony fanboy comments and shove it as i aint owned one since the launch playstation.

      • MotherNelson

        Same here. I still hate sony with a massive amount of passion but xbox and it’s Kinect and mandatory surveillan—err… 24 hour “check ins” (yes, master I’ll check in…. because obviously i’m on parole…) is completely unacceptable. Period. I still hate sony, but I honestly hope that MS burns for this.

        • Nun Ja

          If MS “fixes” everything, will you forgive them?

          • scorand

            depends on the fixes. if its like windows, they can stick it

          • MotherNelson

            no. because they can enforce a software update at any time… which is also why I’ve unplugged my 360. NO more software updates for me. I DO not trust Microsoft anymore. Once you’ve lost the trust of your most loyal consumers, it’s something that is [usually] extremely difficult to get back.

      • Willy Chris Hui

        I think I failed to explain it correctly, but this game sharing is a digital way of borrowing games. One can download a shared game, but if the internet is not fast/good enough there is still the possibility to install the game through the disc.

        And I don’t think we will be cut loose from our games, but that is only speculation.

        You can resell games (ok, only at licensed retailers), borrow games (digitally) and have access to all your games on any Xbox. The only downside is the 24h check, which makes it impossibile for people without any internet connection to play.

        The One has great features, many just don’t like this sort of change, even if it wouldn’t affect them, and I can fully understand that. But honestly, if you have a good internet connection the One is the best to go IMO.

        • Dylan

          If you have a good connection, why not get a PS4?

          The PS4 has a huge cloud system as well. Games like the Division are using cloud on both consoles.

          Why is Xbox One requiring you to be online? Not the cloud. To restrict you and developers.

          PS4
          It gives you the choice to play online
          The choice for devs to use DRM
          The choice to buy digitally
          The choice to buy the camera
          The choice to borrow your games or sell them
          The choice for devs to self publish
          The choice to keep your games forever

          All those extra choices, and it is 100 dollars CHEAPER.

  • Wes Shuman

    I am on submarines and the owner of three Xbox 360s. Stating you want be to continue playing on Xbox 360 instead is insulting.

  • Geeky James

    The definition of ownership is “morphing” – Xbox boss Phil Spencer told GameSpot.

    MS definition of ownership: You pay for it but we own it!
    The rest of the worlds definition of ownership: You pay for it you own it!

    Get a life Phil and wake up.

  • Joe Blo

    Does Mattrick still have a job ???

    • MotherNelson

      I *highly* doubt it.

    • Nun Ja

      We’re not sure if he spearheaded the mistakes that are the xBone DRM policies. For all we know, he might have fought it tooth and nail, but is under a confidentiality agreement as to defend himself against these allegations. Blame the corporation, have them fire the ones who forced the DRM policies.

  • deadbox102

    Yeah, my ownership is “morphing” right over to the PS4.

    • FoxHound R – Xbox One Day One

      Seriously just deal with it. Stop being so entitled.

      • deadbox102

        Entitled is wanting control over something I purchased?

      • MotherNelson

        Hey guess what… in 15-20 years when the servers are shut down because of the new xbox’s release…. you can’t play any of those games that you spent 1000′s of dollars on.
        Congratulations. You’ve won!

        • FoxHound R – Xbox One Day One

          No one plays their old games anyways. When was the last time you played an old game?

          • scorand

            actually I still do.. while I gave my Atari to my nephews, I still have my original Nintendo and super Nintendo as well as my sega system.. which I play somewhat often,, the excuse Microsoft is using to go this particular route is with the same mentality of tsa doing what they do..xbox one is overreaching on this.. they don’t really have a problem with stolen games as they can easily detect and ban those

          • MotherNelson

            LOL you’re a complete and utter moron. I play my dreamcast and xbox 1 more than my 360. I play my SATURN still. I play my genesis, and when I visit my mom’s I play her Atari. I honestly FORGOT that I’ve owned a wii. so your statement is half true… who plays new games anyway… I can’t remember the last time I’ve even turned on my 360…especially after hearing these announcements.

  • FoxHound R – Xbox One Day One

    The concept of ownership is changing. I really think all of you must just accept it. Also you never really own the code on a disk, so why is this suddenly such a huge issue? Serioulsy people stop acting so entitled.

    • xenocidic

      Do you work for Sony?

      • FoxHound R – Xbox One Day One

        That’s a good one, I usually get accused of working for microsoft. But let me tell you a secret… I work for Nintendo!

        • MotherNelson

          Once again, you’ve proved me wrong… I said “I’d NEVER like one of your comments” well there you go. go figure.

          • FoxHound R – Xbox One Day One

            Surely, you just proved yourself wrong?

        • xenocidic

          I just figured maybe you were false flagging it cuz you are so beyond! Some posters here are probably buying a PS4 just to spite you at this point! Lol

    • Nun Ja

      Hey FoxHound, what’s up? Anyway, the problem is that we would like the right to control our licence. When the licence is coupled with a disk, it’s easy. When we enter an EULA we feel less compelled to agree with it if we can’t pass it on to someone else and make back a percentage of the money used in making that mistake or overhead (in the case of just getting tired of a game, as apposed to not liking it to begin with).

      • FoxHound R – Xbox One Day One

        Hi Nun Ja, I’m good, how are you? I see your predicament, however you were never allowed to reverse engineer software, since the understanding was that the code on the disk, doesn’t belong to you. Now sure… the disk is yours, but the code itself is still governed by copyright laws (not that different to books really).

        • MotherNelson

          Yes. Once I purchase a book. I can trade it. Lend it. Sell it. and I don’t need to contact the author for permission whenever I want to read it. Not only that, but I don’t have to have some strange camera watch over me WHILE I read it. I can also purchase the book used or buy it from a friend. I can also throw the book in a fire, and my connection to and experience with the book would end there. My connection to the book would be between me and the physical entity that is “the book”.

          I think what you’re trying to compare to is E-books.

        • Morgon Britton

          The code is mine to control how don’t you see that? If I wanted to i could take the “code” and go play Frisbee with it. When you buy a game, You buy the code and the will to do what you want with it. With the Juan you can’t

          • Dylan

            You are allowed to do whatever you want with the disc. Break it, sell it, let people borrow, keep it forever.
            On Xbox One you can’t.
            Which violates the first sale doctrine.

            The code however, is a different story. We’re not allowed to copy the code, and do stuff to it.

    • MotherNelson

      you’re right. we don’t own the code on the disk… but that little piece of plastic is MINE. ALL MINE.

    • scorand

      this is true for pc gaming.. console gaming is different on that one

      • FoxHound R – Xbox One Day One

        Why do you think it would be different? Code is code! Consoles are essentially PCs.

        • scorand

          no its not,, its also how that code is used and how its handled by the system

  • Sascha Ookami

    Hello Foxhound, most of the people have a problem with this new “features”, obviously you don’t. BUT most of the people who don’t like this things have disadvantages if this is true, you don’t have disavantages if MS does the same thing as Sony! So WHY are you fighting for MS? PLEASE HELP other gamers and don’t act like a blind fanboy!

    • Dylan

      I’m much more concerned with the people who actually believe this stuff is good for them and is the future.

      Then why does the PS4 have the cloud and is optional?
      Because Xbox One is using it as an excuse for several restrictions and DRM.

      And asks you to fork out an extra 100 dollars for a jail cell!

      • Sascha Ookami

        True, MS says its the future because they say it, Sony says its the future IF the people want it and most of them don’t.

      • Morgon Britton

        Well if this is the “future” I’m building a time machine and going back in time.

        • Dylan

          Go back in time and talk some sense into Don Mattrick and Peter Moore!
          You’re our only hope!

          • Morgon Britton

            Might as well make a horror movie out of this. having to go back in time to fix huge mistakes.

          • Michael Burden

            Peter Moore has not been with Microsoft for years now – he is the COO at EA now. He has a lot more sense than Mattrick or Ballmer though and maybe he can put that to use if he is named the CEO of EA.

          • Dylan

            EA has something to do with this.

            Peter Moore can claim all he wants about not “agressively perusing” this kind of DRM, but I’m not buying it.

            I don’t believe they dropped online passes out of the kindness of their hearts.

          • Nun Ja

            God willing brother, EA went to a “no online pass” policy… and MS has gone DRM-happy since Moore Left. Although I didn’t like his aversion to the question of whether EA was going to block used games on the xBone.

  • Dzenan Kotoric

    Never owned a PS system in my life went from nintendo to xbox to xbox 360 but with these policies in place Sony is getting my money. So disappointing as I have always trashed talked the ps3 compared to the xbox 360 and wasn’t even considering the PS4 at first, and already pre-ordered the xbox one, but just went to best buy and pre-ordred a PS4 and will be canceling my Xbox One pre-order.

    • Sascha Ookami

      Same here, always said that the PS3 sucked, Halo is so much better than Killzone, played Gears 1-3 online and Halo 3 and Reach too, I always thought that I could never have as much fun with the PS3 as i had with my Xbox and Xbox 360. I loved The Chronicles of Riddick on Xbox1, laughed at PS2 for not having the power to run it, plus no Half Life 2, no Doom 3 and of course no Halo 1&2, Gears one smashed EVERY PS3 game in the first years IMO and now MS is forcing me to buy the PS4, thank you MS! I’m sad and angry about your new “awesome” console. :’(

  • Daniel Higgins

    I have joined playstation!

    • Dylan

      Hey! Haha guess even the hardcore are convinced.

      What changed your mind?

      • Daniel Higgins

        Well I live outside of town and can get a slow broadband speed, xbox live still works but not stuck to a Internet connection, ok one day when everyone has fibre optic broadband then xbox 1 might have had a better chance and the uk price is £430! ps 4 is cheaper

        • Daniel Higgins

          Might still get xbox one but at least a year later

        • Dylan

          I agree. In the future when we all have stable internet, it’ll be better.
          The Xbox One should have included an internet service, a hot spot, like phones do.

          But nope! And it is more expensive too!

    • Morgon Britton

      Same here.

  • Daniel Higgins

    What’s this I hear don matrick saying, if you don’t have Internet then u must buy a 360 instead lol , do any of these people have brains as not the best thing to say when the community is pissed off lol

    • MotherNelson

      If he still has a job today… then that PROOVES that MS is intentionally TRYING to push us a way and pi$$ us off!

    • Dylan

      Here is the video (add the dots in link). Microsoft is trying to take down all the uploads.
      http://www youtube com/watch?v=5yC8FbgGnd0

  • deadbox102

    The Xbox One has great features. I will not argue that. However, when those features are shackled with a required internet check-in, strict restrictions on games and unbelievable arrogance of MS reps those features lose their value very quickly.

  • CaLiCRiS

    Thanks Microsoft for making me pick up a ps4 over an Xbox one. I love Xbox but this time around there are too many restrictions. Your going to lose a lot of loyal Xbox consumers including me. I hate the dualshock 4, why Microsoft? Why!!!!!

    • Daniel Higgins

      Yeah I hate the dual shock 2

      • MotherNelson

        I HATE the dual shock, MS!! but I’m sure madcats or someone would create a clone of the X360 or WiiUmote for crapstation’s dualshock.

      • Dylan

        Yeah I don’t like the controller either.

        There should be some third party contoller by MadCatz or something that imitates the Xbox controller on PS4.
        Or maybe an adapter that’ll let us use the actual Xbox controller.

        • Morgon Britton

          The adapter would have to be a usb that attracts the Controllers signal that is fixed to the Xbox’s controller

        • Meus

          You do realise the DS4 is a new controller right? The first Sony have had since their inception into gaming?

          • Dylan

            Yep.
            I think going concave in the thumbsticks is a good move, but I still don’t like them being parallel to each other.

          • disqus_eUPQtFSCTG

            I am getting a 3rd party xbox controller for my ps4 when i can find one

    • Sascha Ookami

      Yep the only thing that will be better on X1 is the controller. The magic word here is: adapter. ;) But MS gets money from that so maybe its better to get used to that strange PS controller. :D

      • Nun Ja

        No, it’s alright to reward MS for what they do right. Buying the controller is not the same as buying the console.

        • Sascha Ookami

          Ok thats right ;)

  • Rubicant

    I for one welcome the Xbox one. The ownership entitlement is changing, and while it will not be a quiet transition, it will be a beneficial one. This happened once before, when Steam first started, and look how well it’s done for them. I look forward to Microsoft’s controls on used games at least damaging Gamecrook’s monopoly on used game sales and forcing them to rethink their pricing. I would love to see 20$ steam downloads for top games as the norm, wouldn’t you?

    I support the Xbox one. The changes will be beneficial in the long run with long term ramifications in the pricing schemes of used games. Ill put up with the kinect camera just to see GameStop flounder and be forced to change its pricing. Hey, at least Xbox live cares about security, unlike that other company that stored 147,000,000 usernames and passwords in clear text..

    My ps3 does one thing really well…it holds my door open. After Sony lost my Id and couldn’t find it, or restore the licenses I bought after the compromise, I put my ps3 to good use…as a doorstop. No more psn for me, thanks. Sayonara Xbox one haters, we’ll miss your wonderful banter in the lobbies of cod and halo on Xbox one…about as much as we’ll miss a root canal…

    That’s my .02 cents. Thank you for your time.

    • Nun Ja

      That’s cute, you think a monopoly/oligopoly will create a price decrease.

      • Dylan

        People don’t understand that the competition drove the pricing.
        And the pricing got people to look the other way to Steam’s DRM.

        Also you don’t have to pay 500 dollars to use Steam.
        And Steam is purely digital.

      • Rubicant

        With microsoft’s leverage I believe it will at least soften the iron grip that crooks top has on game pricing and the used game market. 60 for a game is the norm. 40 would be better, but 60 for a digital download with no phys packaging? That’s insane. Do you not agree?

        • Dylan

          Have you looked at Games On Demand?

          Microsoft doesn’t think it is insane. In fact, they’ll try to keep charging the same price, and only profit more since they aren’t paying as much for distribution.

          XMen Origins Wolverine costs 30 on GoD. And that was from 08.

          It is a digital monopoly on Xbox 360 and it will continue on Xbox One. This will not bring lower prices.

          It’ll only lower the value, and keep the price the same

        • Nun Ja

          I agree, but look where Microsoft’s leverage was when they mandated their DRM policies.

    • Sascha Ookami

      Well you can get the Xbox One games for free after ~10 years because they don’t work anymore ;)

    • Dylan

      You think this’ll damage “Gamecrook”?

      NOPE. They’ll be one of the only “approved retailers” which mean they’ll be more profitable than ever!
      Jumping the little guy and monopolizing the market. That’s Microsoft’s current model.

    • BostonSup

      My main issues are:
      1. If internet goes down or bring the Xbox One to a place without internet for a little time, it would appear that I will not be able to play single player. This is also true for the many serving in the military overseas.

      2. When the Xbox One generation is done, will the games not work?

      3. Xbox 360 towards the end of it’s cycle started to nickel and dime people. Ads litter the Gold XBL, sales were a few games recycled over and over, big sales were old games that mostly had horrible ratings, etc. Steam was not doing this, so will MS take our ownership of the game and still charge a pretty penny for absolutely everything?

      4. I don’t buy many used games unless I can’t find them new, but I do borrow games from family and friends. Each game can be borrowed once and I simply don’t like that concept.

      5. The Kinect is being shoved down our throat and I won’t spend $100 more for a system when I have to buy what should be an add-on that I do not want.

      After seeing some of the comments by the head of Xbox gaming, he has no place within the company. As long as he is running the show it will get worse and worse for the consumers AND the company. His solution to all of this stuff is to buy the 360… in reality people will buy the PS4.

      • Baxter DeBerry

        exactly, why buy a Xbox 360 when its gonna be cut off in a year or 2 max, its pointless, to add onto this the PS4 is 400, where the xbox 360 is what 300 for the best one? id rather spend another 100 bucks and get a system that’s gonna be supported a lot longer

    • Baxter DeBerry

      ……You honestly think Microsoft will lower the price ha, lets look at Verizon and AT&T.. you think they will lower their prices… oh wait they wont not unless theirs competition and as some one below pointed out Steam was pushed into competition with other companies such as Amazon, sure the USA is a complete Monopoly in every industry but this is by far a power grab to keep old games at a high price.

      • Nun Ja

        Oligopoly, it’s when there is an illusion of choice.

    • Macy Slator

      Good luck waiting for steam type sales from microsoft. The 360 already has digital downloads. Their ability to have these type of sales should have happened a LONG time ago. You don’t understand that if Live or your internet goes down, you WON’T be able to play any of your games that you’ve purchased. Steam still allows for offline play, there are no authentication checks, nada.

    • LittleSaintGopher

      HAHA enjoy getting bent over by MS fanboy

    • Berserk Rage

      The Xbox 360 security is more than enough .. why not to use the same security setup for Xbox One instead of forcing all this twisted DRM bullshit on gamers! MS #DEALWITHIT

      • HellspawnRei

        So that we will never own our games,just rent them.
        Also to control us.

  • Bob

    People are missing one more fact they are asking $499 or £429 last time i looked $499 = £320.80 WTF? unless your american you will be ripped off even more!

    • LittleSaintGopher

      I thought this too, but the UK minimum wage is much higher than the US minimum wage, meaning we have more of our currency than they do in theirs. So when this is taken into account, it is actually fair pricing.

    • Dylan

      Yep and they made it region locked, so it is impossible to get around that price point.

    • xenocidic

      20% VAT included in your price but it’s still higher.

  • Bob

    Someone dont like my post below well thats a shame because its a FACT!

  • Bob

    Simple really Microsoft get rid of online check ins everyday and make them when the owner wants to connect to the internet and scrap your games policies where people cant lend their games as much as they want or trade them when they want and you also get the prices all the same for diifferent countries will win the console war even with a compulsary kinect!

    • MotherNelson

      oh no you don’t… Kinect goes.

      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        I think we’ve got more chance of MS making their controller compatible with the PS4 than them getting rid of Kinect. It’s never going to happen.

      • Bob

        i kinda like kinect now i know it helps stream on twitch anyway when im not playing i unplug my xbox

  • Bob

    i havent played 360 since the reveal im that disapointed with them i cant bring myself to do it! I and the rest of the xbl community feel betrayed and used and ripped off!

    • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

      I do wonder if there’s been a drop in Xbox Live activity since E3. I’ve played my 360 for a couple of hours yesterday but that’s all, just doesn’t feel right. Oh well, my copy of The Last of Us should be here in a couple of days.

      • MotherNelson

        I wonder the same, since their reveal back in may, ive unplugged the Ethernet.

        • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

          My God plug it back in before they send someone round!

      • Bob

        send it back

      • HellspawnRei

        Same here,it’s true it doesn’t feel right and the same as it used to be.

      • Steven Garrigus

        Just got off the phone and dropped my Xbox Live. Not another cent for MS from me.

        On a side note, somebody keeps deleting my posts here, even though they are very civil with no swearing. Nice to see freedom of speech is irrelevant to MS.

        • HellspawnRei

          My Live is up to June of 2014,i wanted to cancel it but then i thought i bought it and i wont be ‘giving’ my money for free.
          But after that is the end of Live for me.

  • Bob

    You can see in dons interviews that he even feels like a C**k lol

  • Bob

    wish quantum time was real then i could travel back just b4 x1 show at e3 and right at the end b4 they tell everyone the price pause time kick him in the nuts and resume play!

    • xenocidic

      I’m ok with the price. It’s the DRM I don’t like.

  • Tom Bruinsma

    No matter how you try and spin it… Its bad… A connected console and no used games market.

    The used gaming market adds value to the games i purchase. Removing that reduces the value of the game by 75%. In a previous post you mentioned other digital markets thriving. That is because those markets understand that in order to survive they need to make a trade off. Unit profitability vs. sales volume.

    Forcing users to play connected alienates a large percentage of the market. While large metropolitan areas have connectivity, many rural areas don’t.

    All of this coupled with the fact that i have to continue to pay Xbox live fees in order to play online…

    If this stands you will have lost a once loyal customer and i will buy my first playstation…

  • HellspawnRei

    Price for Xbox One -> 499$
    Price for PS4 ->399$

  • Bob

    PS4DayOneNumberOne

  • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

    I still can’t get my head around Don Mattrick essentially sticking 2 fingers up at us all and telling us to stick with the 360 if we don’t have an internet connection. I have an internet connection Don, I just don’t want to connect it to your DRM infested spy box.

    Playstation 4: It doesn’t sell sugar coated sh*t.

  • Bob

    Sony well and truly Xboned Microsoft in the head lol!

 
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