June 12th 2013 6:28 pm PT

Xbox One Achievements

Today we talked about some of the changes to the new achievements system coming with Xbox One.  We just got done hearing from Chad Gibson, Principle Group Program manager for Xbox Live Gaming features and Mike Lavin,  Sr. Global Product Marketing manager for Xbox Live on our live broadcast.   This morning, we asked Cierra McDonald to explain some of the achievement changes in greater detail for us.  Here is what she wrote for you guys

Ahoy! My name is Cierra McDonald. I’m from Chicago, I’m an Illini (I-L-L!!!), and most pertinently, I’m the Program Manager for the Xbox Live Achievements service. My love of gaming started as a wee child, playing Super Mario Bros. at home and joining friends on Altered Beast and Contra at the local arcade. My family’s team sport is Boggle. And apropos of nothing, I once shattered my elbow – or as my surgeon once put it, it’s like Humpty Dumpty fell onto a diamond surface. Fun facts!

Achievements are like a delicious gravy (or a fudge sauce, for the more dessert-minded) on top of a developer’s tasty meal of a game. Playing the game is fun by itself; and achievements add an extra layer of discovery, exploration, and accomplishment that reinforces the natural enjoyment of the gameplay. For Xbox One, my team (an incredible group of smart, hardworking folks) and I have rebuilt the Achievements system to be more powerful and more flexible so that developers and publishers can deliver more interesting, complex, and fulfilling goals and rewards to you. What exactly does that mean?

Let’s start with what you get.

Xbox blazed the trail back in 2005 by introducing Xbox Live Achievements as a metagame whose cumulative score – Gamerscore – spans across games on every Xbox Live platform. Many of today’s gaming systems followed our model and now offer achievements or badges as well. With Xbox One, we are once again breaking the mold and this time, we want consumers to reap more tangible benefits. In addition to Gamerscore, which will remain as a critical part of the Xbox gaming experience (and yes, your Gamerscore from Xbox 360 will carry forward to Xbox One – there’s only ONE Gamerscore (see what I did there?)), consumers can now unlock digital artwork, new maps, unlockable characters, and temporary stat boosts via achievements. And this is not limited to games! Other Xbox One applications such as video and music apps can now use Achievements to bring you awesome sneak peek content, early access, or subscription extensions. Only games will give you Gamerscore.

Cool, you can earn cool stuff with Xbox LIVE Achievements. Let’s talk about how they work.

There are now two types of Achievements: achievements and challenges. An achievement is probably already familiar. There’s a goal or activity you must accomplish and a reward that you receive upon completion. You can unlock an achievement at any time, be it on a game’s launch day or 3 years later. I guess you can say an achievement is like a promise in that sense. A challenge, on the other hand, is more like an opportunity – better grab it while you can! It is also comprised of a goal and a reward; however, challenges are time-bound (as in, real life time). That means you can only unlock during its eligible time window, and if you get close but don’t complete the goal when it ends… *Kanye shrug*

Achievements and challenges are both officially considered Xbox Live Achievements, so they inherit many of the same benefits:

  • You can unlock them and win their rewards;
  • Once unlocked, they are saved to your achievement history;
  • They each have an icon to visualize the cool thing you did;
  • They often are associated with a Game DVR capture to show your friends that you are better than they are
  • Developers can release more of them after the game’s initial release (more on that in a bit).

There are also some notable differences between them:

Challenges are time based. As just noted, challenges are only available for a certain period of time. Only your activity during that timeframe will count toward unlocking the challenge. Achievements do not expire, so you can unlock them at your leisure.

Challenges do not give out Gamerscore. We want everyone to have the same shot at increasing their Gamerscore to its highest potential. Since challenges are intentionally temporary (an opportunity) and achievements never expire (a promise), only achievements may offer Gamerscore as a reward.

Challenges may cross titles, but achievements cannot. Achievements cannot be shared across titles whereas challenges are allowed to span multiple titles.

Challenges can be unlocked by the community. Community challenges are typically goals that exceed what a lone player can accomplish in the given period of time. Imagine, for example, a game releases a headshot weekend challenge that requires players to cumulatively headshot 1 million baddies in a 3 day period. And every person who participates and meets the challenge’s goals gets the unlock on his or her achievement history and reaps its reward.

Another really cool thing with the new Achievements system is that it’s cloud-powered. A magical term, I know, but it delivers real value to users. Check it out:

Having cloud-powered achievements makes it easy and consistent to run challenges across all players of a game simultaneously.

It makes it possible for developers to add new achievements and challenges after their game is initially released. Why is that good for you?

1) It means you can get new achievements without always being required to buy new content (read: free!) or download title updates.

2) It allows developers to learn from and respond to user activity and focus on adding stuff that you’ll find fun. For example, let’s say a certain game is known on community forums to have a fun little sub-game of kicking chickens. Wouldn’t it be amazing if the game developers noticed the community enjoying an unintended aspect of the game and creating a challenge around it, with a reward to boot?

3) It empowers developers to involve the community (that means YOU) in the achievement creation process. If they so choose, a developer could run a contest for users to submit and vote on challenge ideas, for example, with the winning idea being released to the public as a legitimate Xbox Live Achievement. Not too shabby!

Let’s bring it all home and talk about what you actually see.

  • The Xbox One dashboard experience greatly improves how you discover and view Xbox Live Achievements.
  • Ever wondered how far along you were toward completing an achievement, particularly those that involve a lot of collection or linear progress? With Xbox One, games may now expose your latest progression toward unlocking an achievement right on the dashboard, even before you launch the game.
  • Quickly catch up on what your friends have been up with the achievement activity feed that keeps you informed about your friends’ latest unlocked achievements.
  • Check out video clips of that magical moment when an achievement was unlocked.
  • Easily discover upcoming challenges for a game at any time.
  • Your achievement history has been transformed into a more beautiful gallery of achievement icons that properly show off your hard-earned victories.

You guys all rock, thanks from all of us here on our dev team.  Can’t wait to see you on Live!

   

Xbox One By Larry Hryb, Xbox LIVE's Major Nelson

  • paul rolland

    Oculus Rift is the future of gaming, Now if the Xbox one shipped with that instead of that silly camera

    • Retroact1ve

      Ive said this hundreds of times. If either sony or microshaft partnered with oculus team before valve or some other company does they would have it made. Gaming in order for it to evolve needs a major evolution in displays. Oculus is one company that understands this. Imagine mirrors edge 2 with the rift? It would be amazing. Until an evolution in displays happen you are still staring at a flat image a few feet away.

      • paul rolland

        Totally, Am a massive fan of the .Hack anime and sword art online, the idea of playing rpgs with Oculus Rift makes my body shiver,

        Yoshida confesses “love” for Oculus Rift today in a interview on Engdget, Microsoft may miss out on the next stage in gaming due to the Kinect

        • Retroact1ve

          I agree to an extent. However kinect could be used to replace head and hand trackers altogether but so could any other decent webcam.

          You’d wear headset and kinect would track head/hand and torso. But hey they’d rather settle for games on rails and plug the leak mini games.

      • Dylan

        It is possible that Sony might provide support.

        http://www polygon com/2013/6/12/4424314/oculus-rift-ps4

        • Retroact1ve

          Just read a post on MTV blog about it. Sounds like they do have something in store for it.

    • E.Nich

      Maybe, but let it be optional, please. My family would be afraid of me if they saw me wearing that thing. Besides, if you need to wear glasses, wearing that device upon them must be very uncomfortable.

  • Guest

    this explains everything

  • Morgon Britton

    how do you post a picture on here.

    • MotherNelson

      you’d be better off linking it via photobucket or URL (and remove the dots)

      • Morgon Britton

        alright thanks I kinda thought that because my friend made a picture about the One and its funny as he11

  • TheDestinyUprising Gamez

    Just been told by Xbox Support that the 24 hour Check happens when the console is in low-powered mode, so even when you don’t have the console turned on it will check your games

    • MotherNelson

      I kinda expected that, to be honest. Even the wii had a “low-power” always on connection.

    • deadbox102

      Yeah, I knew that.

    • EighteenCharacters

      That’ll work. Do the updates when I’m not playing. Download my pre-ordered games during the night so that they’re waiting for me in the morning. Sounds good to me.

      • Dylan

        Why can’t it be a cool optional feature like it is right now?

        Your Xbox 360 has a low power state that downloads things. Maybe not updates…but still…

  • billy middleton

    the xbox one disaster reminds me of the ending of mass effect 3 but 100 times worse

    • MotherNelson

      PROJECT RETAKE MASS EFFECT! That was such a good protest! We got called “whiners” and everything else in the book, but we got what we wanted (for the most part), and raised a TON of money for disadvantaged children!

      as a result, EA is the most hated company in the country and bioware is stepping on eggshells to make the next Mass Effect game “perfect” ….microsoft better learn. quick.

      • Dylan

        Yep and Childs Play has already announced their disgust at the Xbox One!

        • MotherNelson

          lol “childs play” haha “kinect watching children” oh man… what kind of world are we living in?

      • billy middleton

        HA top post of the year you win 10 internets :D

    • Surf Assassin

      dude read and you won’t feel so badly it’s not that serious

      • Dylan

        We did read.
        That’s the problem.

  • Surf Assassin

    1st I have to say I never placed a message on these forums… but after reading some of the messages and doing research …I have to state my opinion…. Access your entire games library from any Xbox One—no discs required, Share access to your games with everyone inside your home, Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere, Trade-in and resell your disc-based games, Give your games to friends,

    This is all from Microsoft so why are we so limited?

    I can share my games with my friends and family, Technology is evolving to the point of things we never imagined with the XBOX ONE…

    Much better line up of games and exclusives over the PS4 and tons of features you can’t do on the the PS4…

    You are still going to be able to trade your games to participating retailers for example: Game Stop, Best Buy etc…

    Why is so important to sell your games to a company for a 10th of the price you paid for it? Now on X1 I can share my games with family and friends who may not have it, or I don’t have to pay $ 60 for a game because I can borrow it from my friend of his game library and all his games not just one game.

    So why all the complaints…

    • Surf Assassin

      Just FYI…I live in jersey and Every Game-stop and Best Buy with in 50 miles around me is sold out 2 days ago…so there are plenty of people who read the fine detail…If you noticed Sony’s presentation was all about trying to bash MS with this….not sellin how the PS$ is better than the x one

  • Telltales

    Was thinking about it for a bit and I guess I wouldn’t have much problems with the system checking the games. But the 24hr thing is definitely way too constrictive of a time base and definitely enough to be a major deal breaker to avoid the Xbox One…no thank u Microsoft.

    It’s fine if it wants to check every 24hours, but the system should allow at least 2 weeks time before it disables the system entirely for game playing. 1 day is too restrictive and it’s just an idiotic and ridiculously short time, especially if I want to take my system on road trips or various other activities where I could be without internet for a week or 2.

    What do you guys think? I think 2 weeks time would pretty much kill a lot of the backlash against the Xbox 360. At least that’s my only real problem with it.

    • Surf Assassin

      who in this day and age doesn’t have internet ?

      • Surf Assassin

        why is that so vital? my computer and laptop, tablet and phone and tv are always connected what’s so different…

        • deadbox102

          And every devise you just named, minus the TV, can still play games when not connected. Regardless of how long too.

      • MotherNelson

        doesn’t matter. Who in this day and age wants to check in like a prisoner in hitler’s digital concentration camp?

        • Surf Assassin

          it happens to your electronics every day

          • Surf Assassin

            are you guys that naive to think that your phones and any else that you have connected to the world wide web doesn’t do the same

          • Telltales

            This is a game console, not a phone where the devices main purposes varies

          • MotherNelson

            1) I have control over those. They don’t try to control me.
            2) i’m never required to “check in” just to use it offline.
            3) My tablet lets me use ALL of my apps when I turn the wifi off to save battery.

      • Telltales

        I have to go to Las Vegas 3-4 times a year and stay for 2 weeks at a time for my own personal work related issues and sometimes I get put in a hotel where I would have to pay extra for Internet. I never do and I like to take my console in backpack so before I sleep I’ll play a couple hours to unwind. I would very much like to do that with the Xbox One. This would make it impossible u less I fork over the extra money. Also have been times where we would take road trips and stay at places for awhile, Internet connection might be extra or not possible.

        • Surf Assassin

          look guys I been in the electronic industry for 20 years now I HAVE NEWS FOR ALL OF YOU ALL ELECTRONICS THAT YOU OWN DO THE SAME THING THAT THE X1 WILL DO….even this blog is doing it…

          • MotherNelson

            just…no. I’m a programmer. I would never force anyone to… no.. I can’t even finish the sentence. the word FORCE should trigger your HUMAN NATURE to NOT want to be controlled and told what to do.

          • Surf Assassin

            there not forcing its technological evolution

          • MotherNelson

            LOL then why is PS4 more powerful and doesn’t have the same restrictions? thats a technological LIE. Try again, friend.

          • Surf Assassin

            Just like the PS3 was more powerful than the 360 and what happened, or the Sega Dreamacast over the PS1 and what happened power means nothing if the software and 3rd party support is not there, MS is being supported buy everyone and all 3rd party support, Sports, hollywood etc….its a Juggernaut

            MS showed that E3 better exclusives, 1 billion to just exclusives who does that?

          • Surf Assassin

            It’s the same way when HDTV came out everyone was in a Uproar….why do have to buy tv why do have to get HDTV with my cable and look where we are now…

          • Dylan

            Sure I’ll give you, the Cell was complicated to code for.

            But Xbox One and PS4 has similar architecture.
            But PS4 has unquestionably faster RAM, and not 3 operating systems taking up half of it.

          • MotherNelson

            you’ve missed my point. no surprise there. you’re DODGING the argument now. Let me make it easier.

            you said “It’s technological evolution”

            I said “then why is PS4 more powerful and doesn’t have the same restrictions?”

            you’ve failed to answer my question. Sony has similar, but more advanced technology. DDR5, better processor….. AND your almighty “cloud”. (thank cloud almighty)

            and.
            they.
            still.
            don’t.
            require.
            24 hour.
            checkins.

            do you understand now?

          • paul rolland

            I didn’t see any software that wasn’t coming out on Ps4 that would make me buy the xbox one over the Ps4

          • Telltales

            Just because its an electronic device doesn’t mean it needs to be connected to the Internet at all times. That’s just stupid. This is a game console where the main reason for its being is to play video games. Being on the Internet is fine, but restricting our ability just to play offline single player games after 1 day is simply way too restrictive. This a game console, not a PC where it’s main purposes vary. This 24hour restriction is simply idiotic for a game console and this is what all the backlash is about, and this is what’s going to kill Xbox One sales after the launch weeks if Microsoft doesn’t wake up.

          • Surf Assassin

            dude we are evolving this not the 60′s everything is going be like that soon refrigerators are coming where they need to be connected to the internet….it’s people like you that didn’t like cd’s when they 1st came out or blue ray, etc….or HDTV when the cable companies switch over

          • MotherNelson

            *sigh* if you fail anymore, my brain is going to automatically start ignoring your posts Dx. I’m trying to be polite.. but you’re seriously failing sooo bad.

          • paul rolland

            Really cus What see is Microsoft trying to great software restrictions on games so they control the cost, So buy your Xbox one, have fun paying what ever Microsoft deems fix, $50 or maybe $100 when you can only buy games off them. I see sorry for independent retailers I bet the will be able to see used xbox one games, after paying what ever fee Microsoft imposes on them to become a approved retailer

        • Sledg

          wait, you’re in Vegas and you need your Xbox to unwind?

      • deadbox102

        Here we go again.

  • MotherNelson

    Darn… all the trolls/fanboys/hired PR employees have stopped posting… It’s like they’re afraid of mama nelson or something. All the trash talking takes place when i’m gone… but when i’m HERE…. they scatter like roaches…. Any true gamer that know why these policies cannot be allowed, is a friend of mine! That means that you actually have a sense of self worth and CARE about yourself. I applaud you guys. I wish the best for you all, hopefully one day we can get what we want.. but if not we do have sony, PC. and nintendo to look to. (as well as all the other consoles created in the last 30+ years) I wish it didn’t have to be this way but When gaming is taken over by greedy corporations, there are bound to be casualties.

    Sega was killed off by their own mistakes with previous consoles.. but sony’s marketing budget single handedly delivered the final blow. The dreamcast was killed off of hype and word of mouth. So sony’s not exactly the best company out there either…. I’m sure we all know that… thats why we’re xbox fans to begin with lol.

    to my friends: I’ve enjoyed the laughs. you guys are totally awesome. Berserk, Deadbox, Jaffa (if I forget anyone, just remember that you’re awesome anyway xD) hold the line and don’t give in. there IS a way out, and unfortunately it’s sony : /

    to those that i’ve offended: U mad? get over it. I’m mama nelson, bi7ch. Deal with it.

    to those that wish to keep in contact: itk971365 is my alias on skype and aim (who the heck still uses aim? O_o)

    or if you’re a sonic fan sonicrevolution [dot] org is my sonic fan site.

    I’ll stick around for a bit longer, but good luck and best wishes to you all.

    Love, MotherNelson

    P.S. any polls, votes, or if you need me to back you up. shoot me an email: itk971365 @ aim [dot] com

    • EighteenCharacters

      Bye.

      • MotherNelson

        and good riddance.

    • MotherNelson

      It’s clear to me that all this POINTLESS arguing and debating is… well pointless. MS isn’t going to listen to us. they’re arrogant and full of themselves… 8 years of success and popularity can do the Worst damage to a company, I swear…

      anyway… The real fight will be launch day. Like that one pompous microjerk said in an article: Vote with your dollars. Don’t give in… now that PS4 has liberated most of us, theres no reason to give in. Do your research and make sure that sony stays TRUE. They’ve been known to “bend the truth” at previous E3 conferences. If they have the same policies or something similar, RESIST them…. thats the only advice that I can give at this point. The rest is up to each and every one of us as individuals : /

  • Surf Assassin

    Your phone check in, your tv’s that are connected check in, your computer check in, you laptops check in, your iPod’s check in….the all do at some point all electronics do…
    MS is just saying hey guys this system is so powerful with the cloud and the possibilities of what we can do are endless…I have been playing since PONG and now I can talk to my video game system how are you not excited about this technology? It;s light years ahead of anything we thought we would be doing by this time…

    • Telltales

      Just because its an electronic device doesn’t mean it needs to be connected to the Internet at all times. That’s just stupid. This is a game console where the main reason for its being is to play video games. Being on the Internet is fine, but restricting our ability just to play offline single player games after 1 day is simply way too restrictive. This a game console, not a PC where it’s main purposes vary. This 24hour restriction is simply idiotic for a game console and this is what all the backlash is about, and this is what’s going to kill Xbox One sales after the launch weeks if Microsoft doesn’t wake up.

      ..

    • deadbox102

      But they do not stop working if they’re not connected. Drop that argument. It’s old.

      • EighteenCharacters

        Actually, your phone does stop working if it’s not connected. Making calls is kind of its main function, and kind of needs to be connected in order to do that.

        • Traversia Viola

          My phone is only connected to the internet (wifi) when i am home. It works all day without internet.

          You must have a MS phone.

        • Vloc Stransvon

          I think he meant connected to the wifi….. mine works all day without that

        • deadbox102

          Please stop setting yourself up. A phone can still play games when not connected (not its primary function), but the X1 can’t play games if not connected which is its primary function.

          • Surf Assassin

            I’m not saying it doesn’t work I’m just saying it checks in way more the X1 ever will

          • deadbox102

            And I’m saying I shouldn’t be locked out of a game that is on my hard drive because I’m not connected.

    • MotherNelson

      My phone does “phone home” (heh) but it needs to… IT’S A PHONE. My TV is DISCONNECTED for that very fact. (at least they give me the OPTION to disconnect) my computer, again (depending on what i’m using it for) does NOT need to be connected… even more true when gaming on it. I don’t have an ipod because it’s DRM based. I have a Cowon media player which is DRM free and lets you browse by file/folder if you wish. It also has MUCH superior sound quality to the Crapple iPoop. The “cloud” can/will be shut down at any given time and guess what? you’ll be in the biggest gaming drought of your life when it is. I don’t *TRUST* the cloud. I’d rather keep it local.

      the possibilities are not “endless” because my internet is not “endless/reliable”. I’m excited about one thing: the fact that I don’t have to buy this orwellian device that wants to watch me while I sleep and measure my heart rate during a dorrito commercial. It’s not light years ahead of anything. PC gamers have had access to this technology for ages.

  • ElektroDragon

    How are you going to handle digital pre-orders? Will they get special DLC like retail places do? If I even consider this new platform, I will be going discless.

    Also a non-removable, non-user upgradeable hard drive unlike the PS4 will have was yet another huge mistake. Will USB 3.0 hard drives be as fast as internal ones for game loading? DOUBT IT.

    • Surf Assassin

      me too

      • Shawn Springer

        Sata will be 6gb, USB 5gb speed. Remember that its going to be actually 465 gigabyte hard drive. I would recommend anywhere from 1 terabyte to 2 terabyte drive.

        • ElektroDragon

          Yeah I guess the only consolation is that USB 3.0 external drives can be ginormous capacity 3.5″ affairs and aren’t limited to mobile size 2.5″ capacity restrictions.

  • Surf Assassin

    All I am trying to say is that with technology you have to allow it to evolve and test it out before you determine whether it makes sense for you or not…to go crazy when it’s obvious that many of you are over reacting to something you never tried is insane… I for one appreciate MS ‘s innovative thinking and look forward to my all in one entertainment system. With all the games, features and entertainment it provides to me and my family. Good luck and enjoy what ever system you pick for me it’s XBOX ONE the true next Gen system

    • Dylan

      Evolution happens naturally.
      This was way too early.

      They could have missed 2/3rds of the backlash if the console had built-in internet like phones do. But they’re much too lazy for that.

      They could have actually replaced the cable box. but nope don’t want to piss off their buddy Comcast.

      • Surf Assassin

        what are you talking about how old are you 10 video games been around 35 years it’s time, no offense just saying…

        • Dylan

          Time for what?
          Forced internet for offline games?

          Time for Microsoft to control the entire market?

        • Surf Assassin

          I guarantee just about everyone in these forums has their Xbox connected right now to the internet and your all making such a big deal about it. Most of you have been XBOX LIVE members for years what’s so different? Any way good luck guys and enjoy what ever system you pick

          • MotherNelson

            omg!@! WRONG AGAIN! I have had my xbox unplugged since they announced this idiotic console… my cousin doesnt even have internet in his room (because i dont want to share) and it’s been like that for two years… STOP GENERALIZING. NOT EVERYONE THINKS THE WAY THAT YOU DO@!

            NOT EVERYONE DOES THINGS THE WAY THAT YOU DO! THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THIS RATHER IF YOU CHOOSE TO SEE IT OR NOT!

          • Surf Assassin

            but many do and not everyone thinks the way you do….it works both ways anyway like I said I don’t post usually just did today to voice my opinion actually my 1st time on this site…good luck and enjoy trolling….

          • MotherNelson

            The difference IS “Many” not all. so what you’re telling me is that the ones that don’t have internet should buy it anyway and never be able to use it? you’re the troll. not me.

          • mightywombat

            This is pretty awful trolling, if you don’t have WiFi you are behind the times, a wireless router can be had for less than $20.

          • MotherNelson

            *I* have a wifi router. *I* have a job. *I* pay for my own internet. My cousin is 17, jobless, and looks at p0rn. I’m not sharing my wifi with him. He can’t get an xboxONE because he has NO internet. no one in this house has internet besides me.

          • mightywombat

            How does he manage that without the Internet?

            And you are complaining for him when you are the reason he wouldn’t be able to use one? trololooloooo

          • deadbox102

            I have 4 360′s. 3 connected and 1 not. I play RPGs on the one that isn’t connected when the family is using the others.

      • mightywombat

        This is possibly your worst post so far.

        Built-in mobile internet would have just been that much more expensive, and then you would need a separate data plan. But if one has a smartphone, they can just tether.

        And replace the cable box? That would have cost millions on millions, and then we subscribe to Microsoft cable? They would have had to make deals with every TV network and compete with the monopolies each state has. And it’s not like they could make a deal to have live TV streamed over the Internet, because most of the Internet provided is through cable companies. In no way would this have been possible.

        • Dylan

          Then what is the point if they aren’t pushing innovation?

          That would have been innovative.

          Instead they pass the buck to consumers to play a console that shouldn’t require internet, and require internet.

          They just connect to a cable box, which is not a system seller, really insignificant feature since it can’t record or do what your box does.

          They require all these things and call it the all in ONE console? And you wonder why there’s so much backlash.

          They need to take a page from Apple (company I don’t like), make things EASY. Have different tiers of XBL that cover cable service, full online play, and just “ping” coverage.

          If the Xbox One included the things they required, they wouldn’t be in this mess.

          • mightywombat

            Not all cable boxes are DVRs. My situation in college this coming year will be able to have everything go through the Xbox One with no lost features. They are targeting live TV obviously, not DVR (as that would anger cable companies as well), and have shown innovation with fantasy football and such. Combine that with the enormous amount of video apps, some which have TV on demand after first showing, and they hardly need DVR.

            How are multiple tiers easy? Plug everything into Xbox One, and it works, that’s easy. The starting price for cable is $25/month, for Internet its $30/month. How are they even supposed to come close to that? They would need to become an ISP/cable provider. Combine all of that with a mobile plan, that has $20/month for data minimum, and suddenly you are at $75/month. That’s completely ridiculous if you think people would pay that just to make their system work. When you get it through your ISP, the point is to have Internet in your home, not to only have one system use it. What you are proposing is just completely ignorant of how things work.

    • Dylan

      True next gen isn’t restriction.

      It is choice.
      Choice for the developers. Choice for the consumer.

      There isn’t a single reason why all the internet features shouldn’t be optional.
      This is DRM, plain and simple.

      What could have been cool features, ended up being horrific restrictions.

      • Surf Assassin

        no problem enjoy your PS4

        • Dylan

          I wanted to stick with Microsoft.
          I really really did.

          I’ll enjoy the PS4, but I’ll think bitterly how cool the Xbox One features could have been if they were optional.

    • Liquidfx Xboxdude

      sounds like an m$ employee. you can’t fool us. you xbone is terrible. go home.

    • MotherNelson

      Look here, friend…… truth is.. we want to buy xbox one. we want to enjoy it so bad that it hurts. we hate sony (or at least i do) and the wiiU will never compare.

      the fact is: We cannot buy this console because it just doesn’t fit into our lives. I travel back and forth to cali once or twice a month. The hotel that I always stay at doesn’t have wifi or ethernet. I usually take my 360 and dreamcast just to destress myself.

      Can’t do that with xbox one.

      sure I could tether my phone but my company charges $10 per month for tethering. Why should I have to do that?

      You may say “oh, it’s not meant to be traveled with” but if I payed for it, shouldn’t I be able to USE it when and where I please?

      I don’t WANT kinect to be connected all the time, if it were up to me, I wouldn’t have it at all. I don’t DO cameras staring at me. My alienware’s camera has tape over it. my phone’s front facing camera = taped. I can’t TAPE the kinect because it’s infrared and wants to see my heart rate.

      Lastly, my brother and I constantly trade games… we don’t live in the same house. I can only send him my DRM license ONE TIME and then it’s his forever. Which means that I can’t get it back… not only that but we have to be “friends” for 30 days before I can do that… HE’S MY BROTHER.

      It has “HDMI passthrough” which means that my cablebox needs to be on, consting my grandparents at least another $60 per year. ON TOP OF the xbox one’s power consumption…. just to watch TV….

      There are too many cons at this point to consider spending even $199 on this console.

      but see, YOU are different. For you, you obviously have internet that NEVER even ONCE goes out on you.

      1) you dont travel with your consoles.

      2) you live in a perfect world where all your friends have internet CONSTANTLY without a period of them NOT having internet.

      3) you can afford a high power bill.

      4) you can afford any fees associated with trading games or tethering/data plan.

      5) you don’t mind kinect watching you, or care about your privacy.

      thats fine for you. But 80% of microsoft’s fans think otherwise right now.

      • MotherNelson

        …and he deleted his account. SOUNDS LIKE ANOTHER PR GUY, GUYS. SOUND THE ALARM!

        • HellspawnRei

          LOL! True!

        • Shane Nokes

          Huh…and the account is not deleted. Sounds like you just like to lie a lot.

          • MotherNelson

            it says “guest” where his name used to be. do you not see that or are you blind?

          • Shane Nokes

            Now it does. When I posted that it was still showing SurfAssassin or whatever the name was.

            BTW, sometimes that also happens if someone changes their name on Disqus and hasn’t come back to post in the specific thread as well.

            I found that out earlier due to some folks posting to make, and their picture would be the same, but the name had changed.

            Xbudz for instance was showing up as John for a while, then changed back to Xbudz.

            Isn’t technology fun?

      • Andy Wilding

        BTW, you can tape it, the camera just shines out infra red light and the camera “sees” that light, if you block the camera with tape it wont be able to see the reflected IR light.

        • MotherNelson

          One would think so, but test this theory on a remote control or night vision camera… You’ll find that your remote still works, and the camera (though a lot darker) still sees through night vision.
          Maybe some reflective tape? I’ll have to try it.

    • Jason

      I don’t have to try stabbing myself in the eye to know that it won’t be pleasant. I know it involves things I don’t want to do and things I don’t want done to me. Microsoft gave us the information and there are people that don’t like what they see…so they should try it anyway?
      P.S. do people really talk that way, “the true next gen system”?

  • HellspawnRei

    I found this tweet,just check the answer that official support gave to this person…

    https://twitter com/Noctedam/status/345353728896954368/photo/1

    My God…it is really …

    • Dylan

      WOW.

      Just wow.

      • ElektroDragon

        I don’t know… I’ve seen far worse answers than that from tech support lackeys. Seems like an honest answer.

        • Shane Nokes

          Indeed, and note this is regarding activation of games…nothing said about playing them.

          You can’t even play games from other regions anyways…so isn’t going to activate their games before they go home?

          They could also use a VPN or proxy service to sign in to play.

          It’s a post about nothing…

          • Dylan

            “You will be able to PLAY when you return home. I travel with my 360 for road GAMING.”

            -Microsoft Support

            Semantics…again. Activation leads to the same as playing them. Its the same message Mattrick gave.

    • Vloc Stransvon

      …………just……….

    • MotherNelson

      *throws hands up* I don’t want to live on this planet anymore ;-;

    • Sean Mccoy

      vpn router

  • Realmusik Recordz

    Xbox gotta be doing something right for u bitxxx to be still on here complaining..lol. Go to Sony blog already.. It’s over and done. Life goes on..lol actin like its da end of da world …dweebs

    • MotherNelson

      oh okay… keep smoking that…. it’s helping.

      • deadbox102

        Can I have some.

        • MotherNelson

          n..no…dead. you don’t want any of that. thats bad mojo.

    • deadbox102

      Please tell me you don’t talk the way you type.

      • MotherNelson

        you can’t tell? :P LOL

      • Shawn Springer

        They all talk like that on xbox live.

        Probably do the baggy pants bit.

  • ElektroDragon

    If it had been the more powerful of the two consoles, I would have overlooked most of this stuff. But since it isn’t, all bets are off.

  • Jason

    Microsoft, please take my money…if you just allow disc in drive if not connected to the internet. That is it. That is the only thing stopping me from actually getting the XB1. I understand the rationale. Somebody could just buy the game, install it, then give the disc to their friends who may keep their XB1 offline. Okay, just make it to where the XB1 won’t play the game unless it registers online first. How easy is that?

    I just can’t wrap my head around spending at least $1280 the first year to have something that may lock me out of games, yes, if something goes wrong(monetarily, naturally.. I live in SE Louisiana, or if I just want to take it to a fishing camp, on vacation, etc…).

    The fact that they are acting like nothing ever adversely happens to people is just asinine. “edge” problems as they like to call them…well damn rich corporate executives, the rest of us aren’t so privileged.

    • Dylan

      Microsoft doesn’t care what you or its fanbase thinks.

      They’re basically saying you’re inferior for not being as entitled as them and wanting that.
      He even said later that he couldn’t understand why a military man in a nuclear submarine would want an Xbox One. “just bring your 360″

      http://www youtube com/watch?v=5yC8FbgGnd0

      • Jason

        Oh I know, trust me, I know…but I can’t stop trying. As pointless as it may be. I want an XB1, but won’t buy it if they don’t change that one thing. I have a preorder for PS4 Launch day and Xbox One Day One from Amazon. I will hold out for news until October I suppose. Then I will just make my decision and cancel one.

        • Dylan

          Same, I understand. I doubt they’ll change anything. They’re in the “Sony 2006″ arrogant mode.

          I won’t give them the benefit of a pre-order. Even if they take these things back, it’ll be hard to get Xbox One first. I would probably get one eventually if they took all these things out.

    • Shawn Springer

      Wait til peoples gamer tags get hacked, they did on 360.. Your system will be depleted of games and registered to someone else.

  • Sean Mccoy

    bet there will be a lot of mass cancellations of the time of release

    • Shawn Springer

      That would be HILARIOUS if everyone reserved their copy and then the day before cancel!!! They know how many units to produce to fill production then you just have them sitting on shelves :)

  • ElektroDragon

    I don’t know know guys… I was one of the most vocal critics of all the Xbox One issues, but now I’m starting to have second thoughts:

    1) What if the GPU and RAM differences (X1 GPU is weaker and RAM is slower) don’t really translate into very significant differences in games? After all, they’re still both very far beyond what we’re using today.

    2) What if Kinect 2.0 actually doesn’t fail nearly as bad as 1.0 did in terms of actually be able to use the bloody thing accurately in a small living room?

    3) What if the DRM model allows some companies to take more chances and make some more obscure, niche, special interest games instead of feeling pressured to make huge blockbuster FPS shooters to make up for used game losses?

    4) What if for those who don’t sell or trade games, you will actually be able to have family members play your purchased games, even on other X1s that may eventually be in the house, unlike previously thought?

    5) What if a lot of what we’ve heard isn’t really as bad as was initially communicated?
    For example:

    a) Killer Instinct won’t actually be piecemeal F2P, you can buy a complete game at once.
    b) You’re not forced to use AA batteries after all because they are providing lithium ion battery packs. (thank goodness for that)
    c) Gamerscore won’t be destroyed because you won’t get achievement points for watching TV after all, that stuff will be 0 points.

    The above are just 3 things I initially thought that were proven to be false because of BAD communications on the part of MS and the press.

    Under the above scenario, I’m actually willing to consider the Xbox One as a machine for exclusives only. I say that because I want to ability to have my multi-platform games rentable and on the stronger hardware, so all multiplats would be on my PS4. As a result, I’ve also pre-ordered a Day One edition in addition to my PS4, and I will withhold final judgement until after I go hands on at PAX Prime. I don’t care about TV and sports either, and Sony certainly won E3, but I might now consider giving the X1 a fair chance.

    Am I being too kind???

    • HellspawnRei

      How about the once per 24 hours check?
      And that we will rent games rather than buy them?
      These are my own reasons for not getting the One.

      • HellspawnRei

        And even if i wanted to get one on launch day my country is not in the list of the 21 ! I would have to wait until 2014 and beyond as the support person told me!

        • Jason

          That part about the launch is down right laughable. Sony is going to be so far ahead of MS that they won’t ever catch up unless they do something drastic. I don’t understand their business decisions.

      • deadbox102

        Sorry, that’s what was referring to.

    • deadbox102

      Locking my games for being offline is it for me.

    • MotherNelson

      even if kinect is “better” it’s still a requirement. If all i’m going to do is disable it then why is it there in the first place? i’ve payed for it for no reason.

    • EighteenCharacters

      I don’t think you’re being too kind. I think a lot of people jumped on the hate-wagon when it sounded like their game system was being drastically changed. But to be honest, some things about the 360 needed to be changed.

      I’m personally very happy that peer-to-peer multiplayer will be a thing of the past by the end of November. Having dedicated servers is going to be really great.

      I’m also anxious to see what the future holds for developers unburdened by hardware limitations. The cloud system will allow for off-site computations that will drastically increase the computing power of the Xbox without the need for a physical upgrade.

      Change is inevitable. This much is true. And DRM is here to stay. We play in a digital world, and the developers need to protect their assets. DRM helps to do that. If they’re happy, they’ll continue to make games. And I want to play games.

      The hate for the Xbox One will subside eventually. Big changes always bring a lot of backlash, but it always subsides. The haters won’t remember being so upset after a while. They’ll just play games.

      • MotherNelson

        pssh says you. Don’t forget that there are two other consoles that disagree with everything that you’ve just said… just saying.

    • Ratros

      Personally speaking, I understand that the performance differences between the two consoles won’t matter that much (because most third party games are not exclusive, so developers have to compromise a lot) and Kinect 2 may not be that bad (I had a lot fun playing Kinect 1 with my family and friends).

      DRM is a tricky thing here. I’m not affected much, but I know people who do, so it’s gonna hurt a lot.

      I pre-ordered a PS4 instead of Microsoft’s XBOX One just because of Microsoft’s attitude. Call me emotional but this is not the first time I get those kinds of response from Microsoft. Surface, Windows, Windows Phone, XBOX Music,.. It’s always “We care about our consumers”, “We thought it’s best for you”, “We believe you will see the values in our product”, “We heard your response and we’ll look into it”. I get tired of those bulls***t.

      Today IGN has stated that the pre-ordering ration for the last 3 day between PS4 and XBOX One is 3:2. Note that it’s the United States’ data, where is Microsoft’s home base (the ration between PS3 and XBOX360 is around 7:3) and people now are enthusiasts and early-adopters. Things will get worse when average people begin to know the restrictions and find out the $100 difference on price tag. Wake up now, Microsoft.

      • JamesGrattan

        same i am long time supported of the xbox since the….lets call it the xbox classic,(hate xbox one name who picked that name should be FIRED!amount of jokes ppl are making is even worse then the wii n wii u)xbox has been Hijacked by money ppl,example,they want to charge for every character except 1 in killer instict gives you some idea what type of route they want to go ,what next charge for moves ,had every console for like the last 21 years first time i have order just one ie the PS4 in the end i did not like ms attitude too and i could not in a good mind help them ,enslave everyone to the cloud like they are trying planing to do,it would be just wrong,i could not live with myself knowing i helped them do this to the games,NO i will not get a XBone,hopefully after this machine fails,the money ppl wll bail and ppl lefted will build a gd xbox….720(thats what it should of been fking called even that is better then ONE!)which i doubt,those type of ppl are like leaches ,in the words of Gman ppl ,its time to chose,hate sony but this time they are right,have made the better machine,doing the right rules,so i will stand on there side of the line,hope ppl at MS So i now SHOUT same as above WAKE UP MICROSOFT!!!! :( which i doubt.

    • BigBernard

      Don’t weaken now :D

  • Paul Guenette

    I get the feeling MS has a few more tricks up their sleeves. This whole push to “get a 360″ if you don’t have internet makes me think that maybe through the cloud, you’ll be able to play your X1 games, similar to OnLive, if you are able to go online with your 360.
    It’s probably a pipe dream, but why else would you release an updated version of your older model at the same time that you’re launching it’s replacement and tell people to get one for the times you aren’t able to go online for extended periods of time?

    • Dylan

      I think they would have announced that when they launched the replacement a few weeks ago.

      An interesting idea, but I have a hard time believing the Cloud is powerful enough to emulate Xbox One games.

      • Paul Guenette

        Probably not.
        I’m just trying to look at it from all angles to figures out how the 360 fits into their future business model.

        • EighteenCharacters

          I think the revamp of the 360 was a way to signal that Microsoft will indeed continue to support the 360, even though there’s been such a big emphasis on the Xbox One. They’ve said they’re definitely continuing developing for “at least five more years” (and that’s a direct quote). So their future business model might simply boil down to that — the 360 isn’t going anywhere.

          • Dylan

            True.
            I can see the XBL arcade being supported for a few more years.

            Not sure about big releases though.

          • Paul Guenette

            There’s probably 3-4 left in the pipeline that have yet to be announced.
            As it stands we do know we’re getting Destiny, GTA 5, and couple others this holiday season along with some new apps.

            But after that, it looks pretty sparse for 360 releases.

          • Shawn Springer

            They will support it as its a cash cow. Seriously, not everyone is going to get a xbox 720 *hate one*. Walking away, your spending 750. Extra controller, game, system. XBox live membership unless you got that. I think its too much and its out of my price range. This is a luxury item and should be treated as such. If you got the money and constant internet, go for it.

          • Paul Guenette

            I’m good until 2014 with Live (I buy 2 at a time when it goes 50% off) and I have over $300 in points saved up for the store I’m buying it at.
            So taxes in and with a game, I’m looking at about $300 out of pocket.
            As it stands right now, I don’t plan on buying day one because I can wait until a killer game comes out, or even a possible sale.

  • MotherNelson

    well everyone my time here is up. “My Son’s” website has been a great tool to help me vent.

    I’ll catch you all out in the gaming world. C ya!

    P.S. Scroll down a bit, look at my last post if you want to be friends.

    • Dylan

      I want to be friends! What’s your gamertag?

      • MotherNelson

        TK The Hedgehog

      • Guest

        TK The Hedgehog

  • Voreo Sabrae

    “Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is?”

    • Paul Guenette

      Yes, but tell us again.
      I want to know if it has a different ending.

      • Dylan

        Playing the Mass Effect 3 ending again and expecting a different result

    • Jason

      I never understood that whole way of thinking. If nobody ever repeated anything then how would things have been invented or discovered? I think insane people get the outcome that they are expecting, it just isn’t sane that the outcome makes sense to them.

  • Shane Nokes

    No. Those are just Day One Editions of the games. :)

    • xuxaata

      But there is no game included? When I buy the xbox 360 slim came with Alan wake and forza

      • Shawn Springer

        Black friday sale.. Halo Reach and Fable 3.. i think it came with 3 day and got the kinect for 199.99 from newegg. I only seen a DLC token for Killer Instinct as a xbox 720 *REFUSE TO CALL IT A XBOX ONE, SO BROKEN.” dlc.

      • Dylan

        Well I know people are sick of the Sony comparison on here but…
        Every purchase of the PS4 with PS+ comes with Driveclub, and a new PS4 game each month I think.

        Microsoft should do something similar, they’ve already starting giving 2 free games a month until November. Why stop with the 360?

        • Voreo Sabrae

          managers at my gamestop say the games free per month on live , ms will likely continue that into next gen somehow

      • Shane Nokes

        That was a bundle pack. The consoles themselves (even the 360) don’t come with games. They just have special bundles throughout the year that do. :)

  • ae69ae

    Omg! XBOX FAMILY SHARE!!! YES!

  • Eric Perkins

    no more renting games to boost your Gamerscore… I guess I will be getting the PS4

    • Mackenzee Hemming

      facepalm*

  • Realmusik Recordz

    New app on 360…called “one beat” it’s Kool and weird ..nice

  • HellspawnRei

    Wow! Angry Joe just tweeted that he had an interview with Major Nelson!
    And that he has some news!
    Fingers crossed for good ones!

    • xuxaata

      whatttttt!

    • Sledg

      They mentioned something about good news on his live e3 show but Major wouldn’t share :(

    • Dylan

      Didn’t see anything about good news but here’s his tweet.

      “And I think through our intense but friendly discussion we may have learned some BRAND NEW exclusive information!”

      • HellspawnRei

        That’s why i said ” Fingers crossed for good ones” .

        • Dylan

          Man I must be tired.
          I’m sorry, I mixed those two sentences up.
          I’ll edit my comment

          • HellspawnRei

            No need to my friend!
            I know you well now…from all these posts!

  • Sledg

    Thanks for reminding me to order some games :)

    And those are day one games that come with additional items if you preorder them.

  • Shawn Springer

    Have you tried downloading a 50 gig bluray game disc?? Hours to get to be able to play. If i have an xbox 720, then my family can buy theirs? Doubt it, its just something they know really wont exist. For one thing, you get one for your house, then maybe your sons room?? He has to physically download the game even though the copy of the disc is there, and wont let it just install and play on the other console.. while he is playing something else.

    • fallouthirteen

      Do you know that for sure? It seems only logical that if you are sharing a game within the same household you could just install from disc on each one. The early confused reports about giving a game and such implied it at least. Plus could you try to type a little better? I don’t exactly understand the point you are trying to make in a few of your sentences.

      For example I have no idea what you are asking here. ” If i have an xbox 720, then my family can buy theirs?” Buy their what, Xbox One, game, something else? And how does that apply to what I posted?

  • Shawn Springer

    Actually you never play any of the games.. Forza will drive for you.. RYSE is consisting of you pushing the button X at the right time for a great cut scene.. It helps you beat the game!!! Seriously.. DEAD RISING 3.. Hordes of zombies approaching!! No problem you say, throw the controller down and pick up your ipad and launch a air strike on the zombies. Now you dont have to do the work in building an elaborate machine to cut through the zombies!! Sounds fun doesnt it?? Imagine tieing up the the tv with your gaming habits and not letting your wife use her iPAD..

  • ElektroDragon

    You can’t tell the difference? Dead Rising 3 is still FULL OF JAGGIES (aliasing). I did not see a SINGLE PS4 game with jaggies like Dead Rising 3.

  • ElektroDragon

    I’ve watched a dozen hours of E3 footage over the last few days. Dead Rising 3 is full of jaggies, whereas not a single PS4 exclusive had any aliasing. I chalk this up to the 1/3rd less powerful GPU in Xbox One.

    I will be looking for this VERY closely at PAX. If I detect a pervasive problem with more jaggies or sub 1080p res in X1 games, I’ll probably cancel my pre-order. My PS4 order is definite, but X1 won’t be worth it even if only for exclusives if I have to deal with ugly aliasing on most games. To me, NEXT GEN means full 1080p all the time with at least 2X AA.

    Dead Rising 3 is either lower than 1080p or has ZERO AA.

    • Dylan

      Its not even just the GPU.

      The PS4 has 2.5x the memory bandwidth to xbox’s main memory, and about 6% more bandwidth in its normal memory than the fastest 32 megabytes of ESram on the Xbox One. Any way you slice it, the Xbox One is a lower end version of the hardware.

      Not only that, but the Xbox One has the overhead of a virtualization hypervisor on its CPU, so anything running on it will take a performance hit from that. In addition, the Xbox One has PS3 syndrome, being the hardest of the 3 consoles this generation to develop for because of its ESRam buffer.

      Cloud computing is not exclusive, and can be utilized by any developer using any number of cloud services out there, including the larger-than-microsoft-azure Amazon cloud.

      • ElektroDragon

        Wow, very good man, and I thought I was a tech guru here. Great points. I’ll just need to see for myself at PAX Prime. If I detect serious superiority of the PS4, which is what I suspect, I will be a single console guy again next gen.

        • Dylan

          Some of that were my findings, some were others.

          I’ve never been too technical, and haven’t been able to articulate fully, so some of this is a hodge podge of what other sites have found,

          I rewrote it a bit since some was a little too tech..y.

          As we saw with the PS3, superiority in tech is not everything, it also needs to be easy to take advantage of as well.

          It seems that the PS4 does that, without skimping on the hardware.

          How did they make it 399 with 8GB of GDDR5 Ram?

          • ElektroDragon

            They didn’t include Kinect…. that PoS is expensive. Recall the first launched at $150 alone.

          • Dylan

            Yep I get that. But even if Microsoft removed it, lets say the Kinect was 100 dollars.
            They would be the same price.

            Judging the hardware in the PS4, shouldn’t it be in the 600 dollar range? Even more if you built something similar yourself?

            Is Sony selling it at a loss? Or is Microsoft charging to much? That’s something I’m wondering.
            You’re the tech guy, any conjectures?

          • roozbeh

            judging by the stuff on my pc.
            sony is selling it by very slight profit.
            either kinect is really expensive or ms is being real greedy.
            screw it. it could be both.

          • ElektroDragon

            I was shocked at the Xbox One price. I was not too shocked at the PS4 price.

            In terms of controllers, the DS4 is undoubtedly more expensive to make than the new X1 controller because of the extra speaker and touchpad.

            But I think the Kinect 2 is more expensive to make that the Kinect 1 based on what’s supposed to be in it.

            It could also be that the fancy eSRAM they are using is nowadays more expensive than skipping the eSRAM and using GDDR5.

            Finally, consider the custom APU core costs. The PS4 sounds like an off the shelf AMD Jaguar part. But the Xbox version sounds like a more of a custom design and has embedded eSRAM.

            I think that drove up the costs for MS. The R&D on the custom CPU and its smaller scale production is also more expensive, whereas PS4 can use an off the shelf APU used in other devices (i.e. PCs) that saves money.

            DDR3 is cheaper than GDDR5 of course, but again, that custom die and eSRAM is costing them.

            Finally Sony as an electronics AND a PC maker, can probably strike all sort of deals to get parts more cheaply than Microsoft can. Microsoft makes far less hardware than Sony does, even with the inclusion of all the new Surface devices.

            So when you factor it all these things, you probably can rationalize the pricing…. but its a complicated equation.

            Could also be that Microsoft is simply more greedy, which they have certainly proven. I’m surprised there’s not Mountain Dew and Doritos logos on the box itself to subsidize it the way things are going. :P

          • Dylan

            Mmm interesting. Thank you.

            I guess having a custom Jaguar core would mean you would have to redesign the entire chip.
            That would certainly drive up costs.

            I suppose we won’t know until a tech website gets the Xbox One and opens it up.

            I’m sure Mountain Dew and Doritos have it covered on the software/advertising to paying subscribers side of things.

          • InfernoShade

            What you guys don’t understand is that price is not based soley on tech specs. It’s based on market research. It’s a compromise of the cost to build it, and the price consumers would pay for it.

            No offense but it’s clear this is not your area of expertise.

          • Dylan

            No it isn’t.
            That’s why I’m asking.

            No offense taken.

      • BoA Wrath

        PS3 had more power too and that didn’t help it much.

        • Dylan

          Yep, I made that point in another comment below.

    • xuxaata

      And you looked carefully look sony conference?
      gameplay:
      -Assassins Creed: froze and crashing
      -Watch Dogs: froze
      -Destiny: frozen 2 times

      which is more powerful? Who says the lies?

      • Dylan

        PS4 were live demos.

        Xbox One’s conference were gameplay trailers. Which means that was the best possible take they could get.

        Anyway if you look at the facts, the PS4 is much more powerful. Whether that actually means anything, is a mystery.

        Its very strange that the Xbox One costs 500 with less expensive hardware.

        • jeffyg3

          There were some live demos at the Xbox One conference. Did you even watch it? If this whole cloud processing on Xbox One works as designed then We’ll see games surpassing anything the PS4 can dish out. Unfortunately, it’s also $100 more due to the much better Kinect system included with the console.

          • Dylan

            Yep I watched it.
            The Dead Rising demo was a trailer.

            Anyway don’t be too fooled by the cloud processing thing. Cloud is a marketing buzz word.

            Just basically means a giant streaming server.
            Anyway, the potential of what it could do is very interesting.
            But it is hampered down to very minimal things because of latency.

            The Forza 5 system is interesting.

            Also the PS4 has the “cloud” too so quit jumping to conclusions.

            How else does it run “The Division”, “Destiny” and “Elder Scrolls Online”?

            http://www polygon com/2013/6/12/4424022/sony-shuhei-yoshida-says-ps4-cloud-computing-calculations

          • Telltales

            yes. because dead rising 3 was the only game they played at the conference right? Killer Instinct, Spark, BF4, etc were live demos. Anyone who saw the MS E3 show would laugh at your “PS4 were live demos.
            Xbox One’s conference were gameplay trailers. Which means that was the best possible take they could get.” comment.

          • Dylan

            Did you see his original comment about dead rising 3? That’s what we are talking about.

          • Dylan

            BF4 was not a live demo.
            They had audio issues with the trailer.

            Anyway you’re right, they both had some live demos and some trailers.
            I probably should have said “Dead Rising 3 was a trailer, and that was their best possible take”.

      • HellspawnRei

        What happened with Battlefield 4???

        • xuxaata

          about battlefield was already recorded gameplay was just a simple problem of sound in pc

          • HellspawnRei

            It wasn’t just the sound,you might want to check the press conference again.

          • Sledg

            It was the sound. It was the exact problem that Crimson Dragon had so they stopped BF4 and had to fix the sound.

    • Sledg

      And you were at the show and witnessed this first hand? Most videos suck when showing game play.

      • ElektroDragon

        I can tell the difference between bad aliasing and poor quality streaming video, but this was from the 1080p Xbox Live pre-recorded episode playback. Nice try though.

        • Sledg

          I rest my case, you were not there. And the product won’t be releasing for 5 months so I’m not exactly sure what you are trying to prove other than you have too much time on your hands looking at Beta stuff.

  • ElektroDragon

    If you can’t pick both, obvious choice is PS4. Some X1 “exclusives” will be on PC either day 1 or months down the line. ZERO PS4 exclusives will be on PC. Same story with 360 and PS3, by the way.

  • Draken Stark

    I love you Halo, but your grand father just makes me feel way to uncomfortable to continue this relationship. You could tell me how he wants otherwise all you want, but if we’re to have a real relationship again we can’t always have him around when we’re together.

    Don’t you want to eventually have some alone time with me or travel the world? I just can’t see how you can stand, after having all this freedom for so long, suddenly being shackled to your grand father.

    Remember how we first met? Being so young and daring, going on quadruple dates, and that one time we went driving into the water on that one island. Eventually we also found some tools to build up our relationship to the next level. Seemed like there was no end to the good times with all that stuff. There was so much built with each tool that I don’t think I could live long enough to see everything! Granted not all of that stuff was worth seeing again, but there were so many diamonds that we uncovered together. I still have fun with them to this day!

    Anyhow, your real dad was so cool. I loved how he managed to get us to spend some time with so many people over the years. I also really enjoyed the colorful stories your real dad told us. It’s really too bad that he had to leave the family. While the only story your step dad has told so far was fun and beautiful in its own way, it was a roller coaster ride with a sad and untimely quick ending. I still look forward to hearing another story eventually, but I may just end up hearing it through someone else retelling it on youtube. Really going to miss listening first hand to them.

    I hope to run into you sometime again, even though you seem to no longer hang out at that PC café. I’ll still be there in case you ever feel like stopping by to walk down memory lane with me. Wish you best of luck with your new path in life. If your grandpa ever loosens the leash I’d like to think we can be together again. With much sadness I’ll say farewell- for now.

  • cornell brown jr

    The only way this console can do good is sale like steam,i beleave if they do this player who wanted a pc and some pc player will buy it.

  • Guest

    A quote from voiltion ( the makers of saints row ) “One interesting fact for us on Saints Row: The Third was the PC game was heavily pirated. We had, I think – I don’t remember the exact statistical numbers – but it was essentially like, we had an enormous number of players playing in Russia, and we sold maybe 1,500 copies in Russia total. so basically MS put drm on xbox one because of piracy on pc, it makes no sense.

    • Andy Wilding

      You’re right, most of the restrictions are to stop overall piracy and sharing, that being the case then why have they built in a system where you can share to 10 family members? each copy sold has the potential to be multiplied 10 times. They are sending out mixed messages lol.

      • deadbox102

        I understand the need to combat piracy, but when you punish honest gamers you get the mess MS has created.

      • Shane Nokes

        Not at all. Publishers and console makers realize that people share games. They also realize that social sharing is the way people discover a lot of games.

        This allows for that to happen without risk of losing a disc, and allows for people to enjoy games with their friends.

        You do have to realize that it’s really ok for there to be some positives about this system. Not everything is a negative.

    • Bush O Connor

      if the game wasnt so BAD they would have sold more. it was a rubbish unfinished title. a shadow of former saints games.

      • Liquidfx Xboxdude

        you MUST be joking. sr3 was so much better than prior saint’s games and even better than gta4 in regards to giving me that anything goes type of feel.

        • Bush O Connor

          are you serious? haha its unfinished, they used the side quests from the last saints games as missions, the driving feels cheap and unrealistic compared to GTA and i dont know how but they made the graphics worse than saints 2. cash grab is what i thought after playing it for 20min. if i was a child i might like it.

          i was really looking forward to saints 3 too, saints 4 is a no buy for me.

    • Shane Nokes

      I note you didn’t put an ending quote on there. Part of that statement is yours, and not from Volition.

  • Phil

    Price aside, Microsoft will win their audience over three ways. Firstly, innovate with great, easy-to-use interfaces and services. Secondly, be the “Call of Duty” system; come out with exclusive map packs and be the system most kids want to play CoD on. Finally, ditch the 24-hour online check and allow for used game resale.

    People will pay the price. An example of such is the iPad which runs for $500. People will not pay for a system that they believe will prevent them from playing and trading games.

    I’m a HUGE xbox fan, but I’m worried that Microsoft will get out-done by Sony if they do not consider changing their policies and communicate (clearly) what their policies are.

    • Bush O Connor

      Call of Duty will probably fade soon enough. the next gen will bring something new for the masses. people would want to be nuts to buy a DRM restrictive console just to get some CoD maps a week or 2 early :)

      your right about the 24-hour check, it needs to go.

    • deadbox102

      I know a number of us are being called trolls, but we’re just passionate fans trying to stay with our favorite console. I mean with the current policies of the X1. I have a PS3 that was given to me as a gift and a PS3 library of 4 games, none of which I purchased. I’ve started playing the PS3 in preparation of the PS4, but will switch the day the 24 hr check-in is dropped.

    • Fingleberries

      I think your comparison to iPad is good – there’s no trading of content there. You buy an App, that’s it. You can use it on any iPad you own.

      The 24-hour online check is the biggest sticking point for many, I’d say, and could probably be tweaked later by MS once the system is up and running. If it was explained in positive terms instead of “This is it. Like it or lump it”

      Because Microsoft want to facilitate large-scale sharing, reselling and trading of games they have to check the licences regularly to ensure that shenanigans are not being played.

      Also having Call of Duty and Battlefield DLC appear ‘first’ on Xbox one is a key play for a big part of the market – maybe not me, but certainly going by the volume both of these games sell. The Xbox controller is much better than PlayStation for these games, too.

  • xboxoneforlife

    I know it’s been stated here before but this is for the new people. DRM is a system Microsoft is using to verify the content you have on your gamer tag I’d legit. Now there is many of reasons why it’s here ( it doesn’t have to be 24 hours but that’s what ms believe is needed.)

    they will eventually talk about other reasons for it but to enable family/friend sharing and trading your games to your friends the system needs to verify you own that license. Same with installing games disc or digital. They are giving us gamers a pc steam module. They have more to announce and offer. It’s not as bad as people make it seem.

    • Andy Wilding

      For it to truly be steam model the prices need to be cheap, IMO they should have shown willing by reduding GOD prices on the 360 and not charge more than retail on 6 month old games.

      • Fingleberries

        Microsoft have been doing some pretty big discounts for some Games on Demand on 360 recently. OK, some of the titles were older (e.g. Fallout 3 for 400 points), but they were obviously doing this to test the water for the sweet spot when it comes to pricing and demand.
        Also, even with the two free games per month now it is a twofold opportunity.
        1) Entice people to stay current with their Gold sub.
        2) The games that will be available probably have DLC for them – give the game for free and some people may buy the DLC. Thereby getting revenue from a game that perhaps no one was going to buy anymore.
        Although the 24-hour window is very tight (and to cut off gaming immediately a bit severe), it is something that could probably be easily modified at a later date by MS through a system update.
        The more I hear and piece together, I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for now and leave my tin-foil hat to the side (for now). I certainly wish they were better at communicating the positives of the system, though.

      • xboxoneforlife

        I agree with you. They must follow the steam model completely to make this acceptable to the mass of gamers. First off digital games should be 10-20 cheaper then disc games. Second games that don’t sell or are 6 months or older need to be on sale.

      • Shane Nokes

        Not all prices on Steam are cheap. The cheap prices are usually promos and sales.

        This model would enable those promos and sales. That’s what the story on WMPoweruser (hate that site even though I’m a Windows Phone fan) was talking about.

  • Joshua Gage Aaron

    I can’t wait for the release of the Xbox One, the only thing I am really worried about is the fact that you can’t play games offline. Xbox One may lose a lot of loyal gamers because of that. Other then that I absolutely love the idea behind the Xbox One.

    • deadbox102

      That is what’s keeping me from buying it. It’s my library. MS has no right to restrict my use of it.

      • xboxoneforlife

        They have every right. It is there machine after all. What they should do to make people happier is increase the drm to a month and anytime you log on to the network it checks. That’s the best of both worlds. DRM is there to protect the system and from pirates. The xbox 360 was a huge problem with pirating and hacking.

        • deadbox102

          And that way of thinking is why Sony is destroying my beloved Xbox right now.

          • xboxoneforlife

            Sony doesn’t effect how Microsoft does business. All Sony has done is offered what gamers say they want. Gamers said the same thing when the 360 launched about dialup and how broadband was the death of the 360. Broadband and Microsoft vision brought us to how the 360 is today. For most people trying to see change is scary. Microsoft hasn’t done a good job of giving you the right information why a always online system is a great idea. I know one thing about Microsoft is they aren’t afraid to take risks to innovate either for for the good or the bad

          • deadbox102

            But having broadband was not a requirement for the console to function. I never said Sony effects MS business practices, but their customers response should. Give me a game that I have to authenticate once online and I’ll be happy. I’m not paying for a machine that requires a monthly fee function when the content is on my local hard drive.

          • Sascha Ookami

            As long as MS doesnt say what happens to my games in ~10 years I will only see that I’m losing all my stuff in the future and the Xbox One will not work anymore without the Internet.. so I wasted 10 years of my time and my money for something i simply cant keep forever.

          • PSN_IS_GARBAGE

            This is exactly right and due to the fact most “Children” sell their games and consoles to finance their next gen purchases it doesn’t mean squat to them. Instead these braindead MS supporters only choose to live in the now without realizing that the hundreds to thousands of dollars that they are going to invest in this BROKEN BRAND is merely paying for a rental service and nothing more.

            You hit the nail right on the head.. If you want to actually own your game collection, you don’t buy an xbox one. And before some numbskull nimwit comes here and tells me the EULA of every game for the past few generations states we are only granted a LICENSE to play that game.. let me remind you that we still REALISTICALLY OWN THOSE GAMES and everyone knows it!

          • Sascha Ookami

            absolutely, plus because of this Onlineactivation and region lock maybe I will not be able to play Dead Rising 3 in germany :( On 360 and PS4 i can play all games that dont launch in germany.. We germans a poor people when it comes to bloody games :D

          • Superman64

            Restrictions are not innovations. Enough with the shill speak.

          • Shane Nokes

            Restrictions are not the only things happening here. Enough with the astroturfing.

          • Superman64

            Enough of the astroturfing? Looks like you hit reply on the wrong comment. It’s ok…I can understand that since xboxoneforlife is right above my comment.

          • Shane Nokes

            Not at all. I was most definitely replying to you. You called someone a shill. I called you an astroturfer.

            Tossing out insults isn’t needed. They have their opinion, and you have yours. This is a site ran by Larry who works for Microsoft. Talking about the positives and negatives isn’t shillng.

            Shilling is when you’re paid by a company to talk about their product. Unless you have evidence that xboxoneforlife is a paid employee or contractor, then please learn to be more polite.

            Is that too much to ask?

          • Superman64

            I’m sorry…are you a mod or just one of those people who thinks they are?

          • Shane Nokes

            Neither, although I used to do that as well as various other things at MS when I was contracting there a couple years ago.

            I’m saying that everyone is allowed to have an opinion and that you are more likely to run into pro-Xbox opinions due to this being an Xbox site.

            The real question is asking you to be nice a bad thing?

        • montysan

          If you require a game to be registered online, then it would be possible to protect the game without a 24 hour offline limit. Look at 360 downloads, or prepaid cards. They can only be used once, and so they’re safe. An Xbox One disc with a code in the box could be the equivalent of that, but you get the actual data from the disc instead of downloading it.
          If they wanted to allow resale, which I’m personally not that bothered about (I’d prefer non-transferable, but much cheaper, games), then all they need to do is require the Xbox that the disc is associated to, to unregister it online before trading it in. This would free up the code, and could be checked by the store to ensure it had been freed up.
          Where is the downside to that? Maybe there is one I’m not seeing. This system would still be a lot better than what we have now, and would provide real value ,while not restricting people who are offline. There must be another reason for this other than disc DRM.

        • Rob

          Wrong. I buy it, it’s my machine. They apparently don’t want me to buy it.

          They need to lease it with all the restrictions they want.

    • Shane Nokes

      You can play them offline. It just does a simple ping check once every 24 hours.

      There’s also a logical reason for it, the shared library. You can’t do that feature without a check to make sure you own the game.

      • Dylan

        Why can’t such a feature be optional?

        If you have the disc, allow online play.

        Then there’s an option to have game sharing, which requires the 24 hour check in.

        • Shane Nokes

          If you have the internet then why does it matter?

          It’s when you don’t have the internet that I feel it should matter. When you don’t have the net then a disc check in my opinion would be an awesome option.

          When you’re online though the disc check shouldn’t matter because you can do the online check-in anyways. :)

          • Dylan

            Why restrict the consumer?
            It would be an interesting option, but makes no sense to require it on physical media.
            Well it makes sense, if you look at it from the “Microsoft wants to control the entire market” point of view.

            That’s like saying when you buy a book, you should be forced to read it through Kindle just because you have internet.

            And if internet is gone, you can’t read your paperback.

            I should be able to play offline forever for games that don’t require the internet. It only makes sense for MMO’s.

            I’m not afraid of change. It makes sense to me that MMO’s require internet. Or maybe even why Forza 5 does.

            On the PS4 it gives the option, because not every game is like this.
            What doesn’t make sense, is why EVERY game is treated the same.

            Can you at least see what I’m trying to say? Cloud is cool and interesting. But doesn’t explain why the entire console requires check-ins.

          • Shane Nokes

            I think you’re not understanding what I was saying, so I’ll explain it again using your analogy. Now it has to be a little different because with Kindle and a physical book you’re talking about 2 separate pieces of content purchased separately. However we’ll treat them like they are part of one purchase. :)

            What I was saying was this:

            You buy a book (disc) and it comes with the ability to read it on the Kindle (online).

            If you for some reason don’t have the Kindle you can still read your book. However if you do have the Kindle then you need to worry about whether or not you have the book with you.

            So I’m saying that in my opinion you should only be restricted from play IF you don’t have the disc and don’t have internet.

            If you have internet, then you should be able to play regardless of whether or not the disc is in the console.

            If you don’t have internet, then it should require you to put the disc in the console to make sure you still own it.

            The PS4 requires the disc in either situation. It doesn’t give you the option to use the disc or not if it’s a disc based game that you bought.

            That’s what I’m saying.

          • Dylan

            Okay.
            “You buy a book (disc) and it comes with the ability to read it on the Kindle (online).”

            That would be true if this was a cool optional thing.
            It isn’t.
            Its like you buy a book and you’re forced to read it on Kindle.
            And your book lights on fire when the Kindle is gone.

            Microsoft is not treating the “disc and digital” as two separate things.

            If internet checks were not required for pure disc based games, I would absolutely agree with you. It would be a cool option.

            But that isn’t the case right now.

            Also, yes, the PS4 (I believe) does not have the option to treat discs as a pure digital game.

            I suppose that is what the Playstation Store is for, as they have already provided games on day 1 on the PS3.

          • Shane Nokes

            Ok I see where our communication issue is coming in now.

            You’re describing how you see the status quo…how things are stated to work.

            I’m describing what I think would be a good scenario for them to use.

            So you’re mixing up what I’m saying by thinking I’m saying that the current system is that way.

            What I’m saying is that I think they should have the situation where you can use the disc for offline without an online check required.

            If they did that then it wouldn’t matter if you had the disc in or not when you are online…and then when offline pop in the disc and you’re good to go.

            That’s not how it works now. I’m saying that if they did that I think it would fix most peoples issues with what they are doing.

            See what I mean? :)

          • Dylan

            Yes I understand. The backlash would nearly dissipate.

            That would be something I’m for, an actual compromise, instead of choking us and the publishers/developers with a homogeneous system, instead of a forward thinking-open system.

            If the cloud was there, and it took off like Xbox Live did, then I would consider it a natural evolution, and would perhaps accept why the Xbox Two would not have discs.
            I wouldn’t like it, but I’d accept it at that point.

            When the next Playstation has those cloud features (except sharing, and the install and play without disc), and a system with optional decisions for both us and the dev’s, that supports a natural evolution to see what is popular and what isn’t.

            I’m struggling to see why people at large would want a more restricted console. Even Dev’s. Like CD Project Red is put in a bind, saying “don’t judge us for developing for Xbox One, there isn’t anything we can do about the DRM” (paraphrasing)

            While the situation isn’t 1:1, I compare it to Windows 8. It had a lot of forced changes that people didn’t really like, a forced mobile-style OS, and it ended up with lower than projected sales.
            It got Steve Sinofsky fired. And I can see that happening with Xbox One’s leadership.

          • davemcdave

            “Microsoft is not treating “disc and digital” as two separate things”

            100% correct, because on the XB1 they are not. Your disc just installs a copy of the digital game to you HDD instead of you having to download it from XBL. This method of selling is no different to the current trend of putting a retail PC game out that just installs the Steam version of the game from a disc, so still requires Steam to work (like Deus Ex: HR) even though this was a disc based retail purchase.

            Love it or hate it, MS is going with the long term view that physical media is on the way out and that by the end of this generation we’ll be a digital world as far as gaming goes, and a cloud licensing system then makes perfect sense, as then the XB software could be integrated into smart TV’s, allowing you access to you XB games on any compatible TV (a la Onlive). That is a future I could get behind.

          • Dylan

            Interesting point of view.
            Thanks for sharing it.

            I hate it. But I’ve commented so many times, I think most people here know that haha.

            To do that, you need to provide benefits to the consumer that outweigh the negatives.

            Like Steam (pricing vs sacrificing of ownership).
            Cloud sharing is a nice feature. A really interesting one. But as it stands, doesn’t make sense when you have a physical disc in your hand.

            They should have done away with discs altogether. Like the Steambox.

            I’m not going to even say that a certain console will dominate this generation, or anything like that, but it sure seems like the PS4 has the upper hand (in the consumers eyes) in almost every way at the moment.

  • Joshua Gage Aaron

    I am unsure about the Cloud Achievements.

  • Mitchell Hall

    absolutely love the revamped achievement system guys keep up the good work. The more I read and understand these policies the more I see it as a good thing for gaming. Its about time we balanced some of everyones concerns going from consumers to retailers to devs. We need to support the devs that we love people. Used gaming hurts them. I’m referring to new games used, I don’t believe there’s a problem with buying that 2 year old game used. The cost of making games is going to skyrocket again and these guys need their compensation. I love supporting my favorite developer. Don’t get me weong I think the big publishing companies like EA And activision can be greedy pricks but this isn’t about them. Not to mention phil spencer confirmed your list of 10 can be any friend. They have access to your library of games and 2 people can play a game from it at the same time. Much better than borrowing games I think you’d agree. Go microsoft! I believe in your vision for the future and after e3 I think its pretty clear to everyone online gaming is the future yes even single player. Most if not all of the games we saw take advantage of cloud power in one amazing way or another. Evolving and shifting worlds here we come :) love it.

  • Ryan Lanford

    RIP Xbox One
    2013-2013

    Lolz

  • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

    You guys can’t be happy with the hammering you’re getting on the Amazon poll.

    • deadbox102

      I’m not happy with it. I want my Xbox back.

    • Sledg

      Why, I voted for PS4 because polls are lame.

      Go to Sony sites and all you see is “go vote for PS4″. Go to Xbox sites and all you see is “who cares”

      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        I’m on an Xbox site now mate, all i see is people complaining.

        • Sledg

          We were talking about the poll, correct? All I’m saying is who cares about polls?

          On the plus side, if it can get the 24 hour rule removed then I’m all for voting for PS4 (which I did). I did that for the sake of the community.

          • Shane Nokes

            Exactly. Polls usually are voted on by people who are the most outraged.

            They are similar to customer surveys. Usually only people who are upset respond to those.

  • gamer04

    I was dissapointed about the always on and used games policies. But i think the end result effect is really not going to be that bad. I don’t want to give up all the other benefits of xbox because of that. Plus the 10 person library sharing is awesome

    • Ryan Lanford

      I was starting to feel the same way, honestly… but in the end it just wont work out in our favor.

    • Sledg

      Give it some time. There’s 5 months before it’s out and I’m sure MS is holding some info back.

      When was the last time the majority of people said the MS won E3?

    • InfernoShade

      I hear you but for the dozens of gamers I know and myself, nothing has changed.

      We’re always signed in, not matter if we’re playing solo or multiplayer games. We all have Kinect and like it. We never share dics and we use a lot of digital downloads. Also most of my friends use Steam. It’s all not a big deal to any of us.

      Lastly, since this article is about Achievements, I have to say I like the idea of taking cheevos to the next level. MS and the community learned a lot from the Halo’s (and others) achievement systems. It’ll be fun.

      • Ryan Lanford

        yeah, but I don’t have Kinect. I don’t like it. What about me? what If I don’t want it. why not make it optional? the only “digital” downloads are arcade games. I’ve never purchased a full retail game digitally. I lend/borrow games all the time.

        : / so just forget all about me eh, mate?

        • InfernoShade

          One, if you don’t have Kinect, how do you know you don’t like it? I didn’t think I wanted it, but it really grew on me.

          It’s like complaining about extra features you don’t use. What’s the point? The core experience is the same. Do you complain that your cable provider offers on-demand movies or music channels that you don’t want? No, you just don’t use those features.

          People complained about features in the iPhone & Android smart phones, but they got over it because it’s not a big deal. We can’t have everything our way. There were changed between Xbox and 360. There are some changes now. You’ll be able to play games just like you did before with a few changes again.

          No one has forgotten about you. :) It’s just that you’re issues are small and most people don’t care. MS has numbers to back up their decisions. For example if 75% are connected all the time, well this is not a big deal.

          These threads are the a minority of vocal hardcore gamers. Most people won’t care. It’ll be business as usual.

        • http://www.graphicsbybrad.com/ DonJose

          I agree with James. If you have never used Kinect, how do know if you like it or not?

          Fact is, the Xbox One is a Kinect machine. It’s not like they are two different items. It’s part of the new system. If the developer doesn’t use it in their game, then it doesn’t get used.

          If you don’t like it, the 360 is still available for purchase…

  • Brendo

    Congrats, you just unlocked the “Tinfoil Hat” avatar award!

  • deadbox102

    All the bells and whistles are not worth the shackle.

  • Michael Mendis

    Sounds good! Thanks for the info, Major Nelson.

  • Kyle Albright

    Can we have some clarification on how challenges and achievements will be displayed? If I miss an challenge because I buy the game a few years later does that mean I’ll be stuck with something along the lines of “50/70 achievements unlocked” forever? With your current system, this would not count as a “Completed Game” even if I had all of the possible Gamerscore unlocked. I know this because I missed a 0 point achievement in Banjo Kazooie Nuts & Bolts and the game was not counted in my completed games list even though I had the full possible Gamerscore. Will this be changing with the new system Major? Thanks for any clarification you can provide!

    • InfernoShade

      This has been the case for years. Many of the achievement in games like Halo are time specific. Yeah, if you miss it you’ll never get it. Not a big deal. Such is life.

      • davemcdave

        What are you talking about? As per MS rules, there are no time limited achievements in any Xbox game to date. The nearest thing you can get to that is EA games where the servers have been turned off, and therefore multiplayer achievements are no longer obtainable, or games with broken achievements.

    • Michael Burden

      Challenges do not figure into your Gamerscore as clearly stated in the post. These will not count as unobtainable achievements and will in no way affect your completion ratio. Only achievements add to your Gamerscore.

  • ElektroDragon

    Can we have some clairification on the DLC content of the Day One console versus the DLC content of the Day One games? Is it the same or is it different?? Some reports say the Day One console has DLC for all the first party day one games. But then why do those same games also have Day One DLC?

    Does the Day One console not have any game specific DLC after all? And if it does, is it different than the Day One game DLC?

    Finally, can the Day One DLC be obtained for digital purchases of the games on “day one”??

    • Sledg

      The Day One console states this “The Xbox One ‘Day One Edition’ console includes a commemorative controller, token code to unlock an exclusive Day One achievement, and premium packaging at no additional cost.”

      The Day One Games state this “Day One Edition games feature collectible box art and exclusive in-game content that will unlock unique items and experiences”.

      It sounds like they are different to me. As far as Day One DLC, I have no idea.

      • ElektroDragon

        BUT LOOK AT OFFICIAL XBOX MAGAZINE:

        “Packaged with the limited edition console will be multiplayer maps and a special sword for Ryse: Son of Rome, four cars for Forza Motorsport 5, exclusive equipment for Kinect Sports Rivals, and “tribute packs” to both Frank West and Chuck Greene in Dead Rising 3.”

        http://www oxmonline com/xbox-one-%E2%80%98day-one%E2%80%99-edition-announced

        You jerks who downvoted me better turn around and UPVOTE me because IT IS NOT CLEAR AT ALL!

        • Sledg

          Ignore the down votes, they’ve been doing that a lot. I mean look at the Doritos giveaway comments. People are posting what they are excited to play and someone is going through and down voting every single one of them.

          Hmm, good question then! I got the information off of Amazon and clearly the XBOX mag article has more info. I’m hoping the day one edition of the games is different otherwise it’s just the box art you’re getting.

        • Shane Nokes

          I didn’t downvote you, but calm down a bit. :)

          This isn’t reddit and the downvotes don’t affect you other than having a number there. :)

  • InfernoShade

    Dude, you do pay for it all. You’re cable bill reflects the cost of all the things you don’t use. Come on, everyone knows this by now. :) I watch five channels and I pay for what a thousand.

    My analogy is spot on, because it’s an analogy. Get it? :) If we want to examine each and every feature (included and missing) we’d never end.

    The point is, there are always going to be things included in services that we like and don’t like. But the core experience is the same – you pay games on it.

  • InfernoShade

    If you don’t want to be online that’s certainly your prerogative. But these days everyone’s phone, computer, tablet, cable box, smart tv, etc. are always online. Why not this?

    Bottom line: not every product is created with your specific niche needs in mind. You’re free to reject it and choose something else. Numbers say, today most people are always online, and certainly gamers who are big tech users and early adopters.

    Also, if you’re a gamer and tech fan, I can’t believe you’re complaining about a wifi router. Doesn’t everyone have one? Heck, now cables boxes come with wifi built in. That’s a really small and (no offense) lame complaint.

  • CID

    Very cool, Keep up the great work & thanks for that bit of Intel.

 

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