June 12th 2013 6:28 pm PT

Xbox One Achievements

Today we talked about some of the changes to the new achievements system coming with Xbox One.  We just got done hearing from Chad Gibson, Principle Group Program manager for Xbox Live Gaming features and Mike Lavin,  Sr. Global Product Marketing manager for Xbox Live on our live broadcast.   This morning, we asked Cierra McDonald to explain some of the achievement changes in greater detail for us.  Here is what she wrote for you guys

Ahoy! My name is Cierra McDonald. I’m from Chicago, I’m an Illini (I-L-L!!!), and most pertinently, I’m the Program Manager for the Xbox Live Achievements service. My love of gaming started as a wee child, playing Super Mario Bros. at home and joining friends on Altered Beast and Contra at the local arcade. My family’s team sport is Boggle. And apropos of nothing, I once shattered my elbow – or as my surgeon once put it, it’s like Humpty Dumpty fell onto a diamond surface. Fun facts!

Achievements are like a delicious gravy (or a fudge sauce, for the more dessert-minded) on top of a developer’s tasty meal of a game. Playing the game is fun by itself; and achievements add an extra layer of discovery, exploration, and accomplishment that reinforces the natural enjoyment of the gameplay. For Xbox One, my team (an incredible group of smart, hardworking folks) and I have rebuilt the Achievements system to be more powerful and more flexible so that developers and publishers can deliver more interesting, complex, and fulfilling goals and rewards to you. What exactly does that mean?

Let’s start with what you get.

Xbox blazed the trail back in 2005 by introducing Xbox Live Achievements as a metagame whose cumulative score – Gamerscore – spans across games on every Xbox Live platform. Many of today’s gaming systems followed our model and now offer achievements or badges as well. With Xbox One, we are once again breaking the mold and this time, we want consumers to reap more tangible benefits. In addition to Gamerscore, which will remain as a critical part of the Xbox gaming experience (and yes, your Gamerscore from Xbox 360 will carry forward to Xbox One – there’s only ONE Gamerscore (see what I did there?)), consumers can now unlock digital artwork, new maps, unlockable characters, and temporary stat boosts via achievements. And this is not limited to games! Other Xbox One applications such as video and music apps can now use Achievements to bring you awesome sneak peek content, early access, or subscription extensions. Only games will give you Gamerscore.

Cool, you can earn cool stuff with Xbox LIVE Achievements. Let’s talk about how they work.

There are now two types of Achievements: achievements and challenges. An achievement is probably already familiar. There’s a goal or activity you must accomplish and a reward that you receive upon completion. You can unlock an achievement at any time, be it on a game’s launch day or 3 years later. I guess you can say an achievement is like a promise in that sense. A challenge, on the other hand, is more like an opportunity – better grab it while you can! It is also comprised of a goal and a reward; however, challenges are time-bound (as in, real life time). That means you can only unlock during its eligible time window, and if you get close but don’t complete the goal when it ends… *Kanye shrug*

Achievements and challenges are both officially considered Xbox Live Achievements, so they inherit many of the same benefits:

  • You can unlock them and win their rewards;
  • Once unlocked, they are saved to your achievement history;
  • They each have an icon to visualize the cool thing you did;
  • They often are associated with a Game DVR capture to show your friends that you are better than they are
  • Developers can release more of them after the game’s initial release (more on that in a bit).

There are also some notable differences between them:

Challenges are time based. As just noted, challenges are only available for a certain period of time. Only your activity during that timeframe will count toward unlocking the challenge. Achievements do not expire, so you can unlock them at your leisure.

Challenges do not give out Gamerscore. We want everyone to have the same shot at increasing their Gamerscore to its highest potential. Since challenges are intentionally temporary (an opportunity) and achievements never expire (a promise), only achievements may offer Gamerscore as a reward.

Challenges may cross titles, but achievements cannot. Achievements cannot be shared across titles whereas challenges are allowed to span multiple titles.

Challenges can be unlocked by the community. Community challenges are typically goals that exceed what a lone player can accomplish in the given period of time. Imagine, for example, a game releases a headshot weekend challenge that requires players to cumulatively headshot 1 million baddies in a 3 day period. And every person who participates and meets the challenge’s goals gets the unlock on his or her achievement history and reaps its reward.

Another really cool thing with the new Achievements system is that it’s cloud-powered. A magical term, I know, but it delivers real value to users. Check it out:

Having cloud-powered achievements makes it easy and consistent to run challenges across all players of a game simultaneously.

It makes it possible for developers to add new achievements and challenges after their game is initially released. Why is that good for you?

1) It means you can get new achievements without always being required to buy new content (read: free!) or download title updates.

2) It allows developers to learn from and respond to user activity and focus on adding stuff that you’ll find fun. For example, let’s say a certain game is known on community forums to have a fun little sub-game of kicking chickens. Wouldn’t it be amazing if the game developers noticed the community enjoying an unintended aspect of the game and creating a challenge around it, with a reward to boot?

3) It empowers developers to involve the community (that means YOU) in the achievement creation process. If they so choose, a developer could run a contest for users to submit and vote on challenge ideas, for example, with the winning idea being released to the public as a legitimate Xbox Live Achievement. Not too shabby!

Let’s bring it all home and talk about what you actually see.

  • The Xbox One dashboard experience greatly improves how you discover and view Xbox Live Achievements.
  • Ever wondered how far along you were toward completing an achievement, particularly those that involve a lot of collection or linear progress? With Xbox One, games may now expose your latest progression toward unlocking an achievement right on the dashboard, even before you launch the game.
  • Quickly catch up on what your friends have been up with the achievement activity feed that keeps you informed about your friends’ latest unlocked achievements.
  • Check out video clips of that magical moment when an achievement was unlocked.
  • Easily discover upcoming challenges for a game at any time.
  • Your achievement history has been transformed into a more beautiful gallery of achievement icons that properly show off your hard-earned victories.

You guys all rock, thanks from all of us here on our dev team.  Can’t wait to see you on Live!

   

Xbox One By Larry Hryb, Xbox LIVE's Major Nelson

  • EighteenCharacters

    I’m surprised that the “always on” requirements are a big deal, but no one is saying anything about the fact that the Xbox One is HDTV only. For those parents that do want to buy an Xbox One for their kids’ rooms, they’ll need to make sure those kids have HDMI-equipped TVs or monitors, too.

    But then again, if a parent is ready to buy their kid a $500 gaming system, chances are their kid has a high-def TV as well. Man, kids are spoiled! LOL

    • davemcdave

      Personally, I don’t think that parents should be letting young children have these kind of devices in their bedrooms anyway. Especially as most of the parents that do are the kind that get a 2 page splash in the Daily Mail about how Apple won’t refund the £100 their kid spent on in-game purchases on the iPad even though they took zero interest in what their child was actually doing…

  • Shane Nokes

    Even my parents who are technologically way behind in most ways have a WiFi router at their house. Heck they had dialup until just a few years ago, even though cable and DSL were offered there since the late 90′s.

    You can pick one up for less than $20 these days…not a great one mind you, but one that would suffice.

    Those parents could also setup rules on the router to only allow connections during certain hours too.

  • Shane Nokes

    A good analogy for iPad vs Kinect on Xbox One here.

    That camera on the iPad is always connected. It’s always there, but you don’t have to use it.

    The Kinect is the same way. It’s always connected, but you can turn it off via the settings.

  • Shane Nokes

    Ok, so imagine instead of having to go buy it used that friend could just add you to their list and share it with you.

    You could try it again, and not even have a financial risk tied into it, even though the used copy was likely inexpensive.

  • PSN_IS_GARBAGE

    First you clowns at Microsoft ruined this “RENTAL CONSOLE” with ridiculous DRM that basically means we no longer own our games anymore.. YOU CLOWNS DO, then you make this horrible new acheivement system that forces us to use Smartglass, have a facebook account and make us have to be aware about community event acheivements making this whole new achievement system a nightmare to completionists everywhere.
    I’m a collector of video game consoles since the Atari VCS and this is where I draw the line… I’m not buying a BRICK that isn’t going to work when MS kills these servers a few years after this next gen life cycle. Anyone that supports this console (I don’t care how the games are) is a moron who simply doesn’t have a clue of the message you are sending to the industry that all this is ok.
    The cocky attitudes of Adam Orth and Don Mattrick are nearly identical and that says alot about the company as a whole. I don’t care if some of you like the games… I do too, but if you cave in and buy this garbage, you’re contributing to the problem.. PERIOD!

    • Shane Nokes

      I don’t think you read things correctly. However I also don’t think you’re hear to discuss it either. :(

      • PSN_IS_GARBAGE

        Whats to discuss? The writing is on the wall clear as day… The problem is most kids and mainstream consumers don’t have a clue and this is why this gimped system is still going to sell.
        And oh, I read things correctly alright and have been doing so for the past month.

        • Shane Nokes

          Simple. The DRM is there to enable the shared library.
          Without the DRM anyone could just send that copy to another person, and another person, and another person, and each of those people could share it with up to 10 others.

          The amount of sales for titles would drop due to the ability to share with everyone with no restrictions whatsoever.

          This is placing a sort of lid on it…a limitation that allows that sharing to occur, but also restrict abuse.

          I know you guys think the people who work for Microsoft and the publishers are all millionaires, but they are not. They also are subject to losing their jobs just like you are.

          A lot of people who work on games and work for the companies are contractors who are sometimes paid just a little more than minimum wage for their work.

          Who do you think takes the biggest hits and gets fired first when profits drop?

          It’s not the company at large that you hurt a ton…it’s the people.

          So yes, there’s lots to discuss, but like I said. I doubt most who post in the manner you are have any interest in an actual discussion of the full ramifications.

          • PSN_IS_GARBAGE

            I really don’t know what to make of this post to be honest with you. So instead I’ll talk about what matters to me.. Owning my games and being able to have access to them indefinitely. If anything the cloud owns our games, what we do with them and how and when we can or can’t play them. This is what this boils down to for me.

            MS could give me Shenmue 3, and Make MGS5 and Bioshock exclusive to their console for all I care.. I will not support these practices just because I want to follow my favorite franchises. I wish more people would wise up and do the same to be honest.

          • Shane Nokes

            You will own your games just as much as you owned them before. The discs you’ve always owned, the license you have not.

            The only thing that is in the least controlling is the 24-hour check in. That’s there for the shared library and to prevent you from playing a game you’ve already sold.

            That’s why I brought it up to start with. They are adding features, and those features require some form of protection for the publishers.

            I personally support the publishers. I know there’s a lot of people working long hours, some for excellent pay, and some for not so great pay. I do however like to show my support by paying for their games. I see nothing wrong with granting them the ability to protect that work.

            I think we are likely not going to agree though, and that’s ok. That’s why different consoles exist. Choice is always good. :)

          • PSN_IS_GARBAGE

            I’m sorry but I’m not following you at all when you say I will own my games just as I did before. This makes absolutely no sense to me when the internet is required for the items I bought and paid for.

            After Reviewing our First Sales Doctrine and reviewing current EULA’s it appears “technically” that things have always been like this but I “realistically” we still own our retail games on every console up untill the 360 and PS3. How do I come to this conclusion? It’s simple.. all my games going back to the Atari VCS are still usable and do not require “Nurse Nancy” check in’s to verify my legitimate ownership of said games. On PS3 and 360, we can do with as we please with our games.

            I am fully aware that some form of DRM will have to go into effect when it comes to digital titles because they already do with XBLA games but the difference here is these DRM restrictions are built right into the box, the software and the cloud ecosystem.

            There are many different ways this could be handled.. even a workaround to selling digital goods could be done with a little effort but MS’s policies are too anti consumer and anti ownership for an old school console gamer like myself who is also a collector and values his purchases and investment into the hobby.

            Because of this, MS could have all the best exclusives in the world and it wouldn’t matter to me because in the end when the servers are killed, our thousands of dollars invested into the console becomes nothing more than a brick for gaming. This is the bottom line for me and when Jack Tretton came out during the Sony Press Event and addressed by worst fears, that’s all it took for me to realize that MS is not a company I want to do business with any longer.

  • bpool23

    The bottom line is Microsoft is killing their own product. The way they have handled all of this is shameful. All of these mixed messages and p.r fumbles are ruining their brand. They need to regroup and come up with a new strategy, because the current one sucks!

    • Shane Nokes

      The messaging has indeed been terrible. The direction they are moving in though? It’s not as bad as it sounds.

      If they had the message told the right way people would see the cool features and get the need for the restrictions.

      • bpool23

        While I understand the need for certain restrictions. Microsoft is coming off as too strict. There has to be more creative ways of doing things as far as the drm is concerned.

        • Shane Nokes

          I don’t disagree with you there. I think there should be some loosening up. I honestly don’t think they can loosen up too much though. There has to be some form of making sure someone still owns a copy of the game.

          Otherwise people could just spread that one copy around like wildfire and everyone would have access to it.

          By that I’m referring to the shared library. They need a way to keep a lid on it somewhat.

    • PSN_IS_GARBAGE

      You don’t happen to post at Gamespot do you? You’re name sounds familiar.

      • bpool23

        Yeah I do sometimes. I always use the same user name.

        • PSN_IS_GARBAGE

          So this is you then.. Yeah I remember you.. You probably don’t know me though.. I only lasted 2 weeks there putting Shadow Moses in his proper place! But anyhow keep fighting the good fight brother!

  • Willy Chris Hui

    There might be a way to fix the One’s problems. Since Microsoft is “only” disabling the ability to play games after 24h, one could say they do this to check if the account has a valid license. As we all know games can be played without the actual disc after installation, let’s assume the reason would be the benefit/necessity of faster reading speed (hard-drive).

    My solution:

    One should be given the option to register the game, or not. If the latter is chosen the game will be installed on the hard-drive and deleted immediately after one exits the game. The good thing about this is that no online check is needed because non-registered games require the actual disc to play. On top of that a faster reading speed is still available because the installation is mandatory, either way.

    Now, if one exceeds the 24h limit with a registered game without connecting to the internet it will be automatically “unregistered” (immediately), and deleted (after one exits the game).

    The benefits of the digital way of gaming stay, the problems with 24h-checks are gone! And even the ability to borrow games, loan games and resell games at any retailer WOULD work, but only if the system can distinguish between different games.

    What do you guys think?

    • Shane Nokes

      The other reason is the shared library. You still have to do the check for that…unless you want to have a disc tray capable of holding every game you own and then spinning to it every time someone wants to play.

      That would be more of a pain in my opinion.

      • Willy Chris Hui

        No, not at all. The shared library consists of registered games, as long one does not exceed the 24h limit all games stay registered. If a game does exceed this limit the game will automatically be unregistered and not be available for game sharing anymore.

        • Shane Nokes

          Correct. That was my point. So in order to have that game be shared again, you’d have to be connected to the internet anyways.

          Hence the 24 hours check in still makes sense from that perspective.

          The odd thing is you’re arguing I’m wrong…by saying that I’m right. Read your post again very carefully. :)

          • Willy Chris Hui

            My apologies, your last statement confused me. You found a downside, my friend. But the pros overweigh the cons IMO. It’s fixable though, just leave the “unregistration” step out and you’re good to go.

    • Dennis Fluttershy

      I don’t think this is a good solution, might be that I’m not used to it. But, if the disc is in the tray, the game should be available to play at any time, regardless of whether you’re connected or not (or if 24 hours has passed). The game can be installed and be kept, and if you have installed the game, 24-hours has passed, all the disc does is to confirm that you still own it.

  • Robtroy

    Sound great it’s bringing back some tingling feeling that someone out there a true gamer that is trying to save xbox from going under, me personally at the moment feels when I bye this console I will not feel as if I own the console because Microsoft can take it a way anytime they like, not speaking of myself but those along the line of being banned from Microsoft for doing a silly little thing then back to the point when like me you get old cant be bothered with console or just can’t afford to keep subscription whats going to happen with everything you have put into the console. Its then going to be worthless and you may as well take a hammer to it who in the right mind wants a used account someone tell me if I’m talking none sense but do you feel with these new polices that you own your own console or just borrowing it, another quick point this seems to be going down the pc root so why the high prices in stores for the games. Also dont know if this is just the British market place prices on xbox 360 games were like £50 yes that’s right 6 month old games even when stores had dropped them down to half that price, so Microsoft your saving money on advertisement and not having to create discs or plastic casing yet they are still robbing there number one fans please someone agree with me most people out there know what’s going on but don’t to much getting written about it

    • Shane Nokes

      Being banned is not a new feature. You could be banned on the 360 before as well. Just wanted to put that out there.

      • Robtroy

        I trying to fight the little kids corner here and those who might be with xbox one for the next year then for some strange reason they can’t afford there subscription so to me stops them from playing any of there recent purchased games me as whole don’t mind myself but other out there are concerned, for me straight off the BAT I need to give up an account that I’ve put 8years into and at least £10.000 worth of games and accessories because my kid done. Something on my account that got me banned from every EA game for life and at the rate EA is sticking there fingers in all those pies out there I’m goin to be stuck with the likes of sonic bye the end of next year so I’m better off taking one on the chin and starting out fresh the last thing I won’t to do is jump ship like everyone els to the dark side see what next few months bring.

        • Shane Nokes

          You don’t have to have a subscription to use your games. You can use the games without one. You just have to have one to play online multiplayer and to use some of the media features. :)

          I see what you’re saying about the EA ban though. The best way to avoid those bans is to just very closely follow the rules. You will never get a ban if you follow the rules.

          I have a self-imposed rule I follow as well. If I even have to ask myself if I should be doing something, the answer is no. It’s best to err on the side of caution in matters like this. :)

          • Robtroy

            EA thing is a kick in the teeth but wasn’t done bye my hand got kid to blame for that reference subscription I may have picked them up wrong I thought they said you can play your main account I’m guessing off line for an hr but after that you can’t play your game so is that for just multiplayer side of things or am I going to get booted off my single player game I’m confused some need to put all her media brief in writing why can’t they just bring out and next GEN console without the confusion seems like PS4 managed it and because of that there going to be playing catch up.

          • Dylan

            Are Free to play games behind the paywall?

            I’m going to ask Nelson on the next post.
            Unless it has been answered already…tell me.

          • Shane Nokes

            That I honestly have no clue on. I would definitely ask Major Nelson that one. :)

          • Dylan

            All I know right now is that Sony has given the “up to publishers” response to that.
            And 3 F2P games have announced they will be not blocked by the PS+ pay wall.

            I assume almost ALL F2P games would not want to be blocked by a pay wall. More players, the better.

            I’ll certainly ask Nelson on the next fresh page.

          • davemcdave

            Well, World of Tanks on the 360 is behind the gold “paywall”, so yes, I think it’s fair to say that the F2P games on the XB1 are likely to be XBLGold only too.

          • Dylan

            Another decision that robs the dev’s and the consumer.
            Another restriction.

            Another decision that the PS4 gives a choice on.
            3 F2P games on PS4 have announced no PS+ pay wall.

            I’ll keep asking the Major until we get an answer.

  • Jamie Putnam

    My Xbox One pre-order is being delayed not because of no rentals, used games or lending. The Family Share plan fixed my concern of my son playing my copy of a game like Skyrim on his console. The only problem is the check-in. I have descent internet, but its often has went down on Friday or Saturday, for one reason or another, and my ISP wouldn’t send a tech until the following Monday or Tuesday. The 24 hr check-in would prevent me from being able to access my purchased games. If the games were located on MS’s servers I could understand, but they’re not. They’re on my console and my purchase verified when I installed them.

    • Shane Nokes

      Used games work just fine, and you can lend via the shared library. That’s not just for people in your home, but for anyone that you add to it. :)

      BTW, saying you have decent internet and then saying it goes down for an entire weekend is antithetical. That quite frankly is horrible internet. I would be trying to find a new ISP.

      Note I’m not trying to troll you. I’m just pointing out that with paying that internet you deserve better quality of service.

      • Jamie Putnam

        There’s only one ISP where I live.

        Edit: Only 1 ISP services where I live. There are several in the area though.

        • Shane Nokes

          Sorry to hear that. :(

          Personally I would make sure to nickel and dime them for every credit possible when that happens.

        • deadbox102

          Sounds like you are in the same boat as many gamers around me. They can’t even get internet though. Myself have to pay $60 a month for 8 meg and that’s the best plan. The speeds rarely come anywhere near that though.

      • deadbox102

        Hey buddy. How have you been? :)

        • Shane Nokes

          Busy. Just hanging out for a bit. Making dinner and a few other things and popping in and out. :)

          • deadbox102

            For the record I’m not a troll. This check-in thing has me extremely upset and I pop back when I feel someone is getting snarky. They’re more people being adversely effected by the check-in than most know, or sounds like even care. The defenders of this policy have come backs like “Just move”, “Quit being cheap”, “Sucks to be you” or “Go Amish”. :) The people in these areas are not poor, love the area they live in and love Xbox. Xbox One has made them feel the community and MS has turned on them or just don’t care. I’m trying to give them a voice. They will join the next-gen this Christmas whether it be Xbox or PS. With the attitude they have received from the community and MS, I wouldn’t blame them one bit for switching and never looking back.

          • Shane Nokes

            If you can always post this eloquently and politely you will never have a problem coming from me :)

            I’ve never once told anyone to move, or quite being cheap or anything along those lines.

            The Amish thing I’ve said once I think, but I was trying to make a joke.

            I can understand being upset I honestly can. I’m just of the opinion that you will always get more attention and better service by being polite.

            In fact I know in every job I have ever worked I have always been far more inclined to bend or smash the rules to help people that are polite. The reason being that they often are few and far between, so I feel they deserve something extra just for not making my day worse. :)

          • deadbox102

            I know the honey vs vinegar thing. :)

          • Shane Nokes

            Exactly. :)

          • deadbox102

            MS has created the hostility. Mattrick only enraged with his “Buy a 360″ interview. I don’t see me being polite to MS any time soon. Many of my friends are being insulted and treated terribly by them.

          • davemcdave

            For the record, I think most of these MS policies so far have been blown out of proportion by anti-MS/pro-Sony people, apart from 1 solitary thing, this, the 24-hour check in. I’m an Xbox fanboy, I’ll admit it, but “Just move”, “Quit being cheap”, “Sucks to be you” or “Go Amish” is not the answer. I don’t disagree with the check-in per-se, more that it completely baffles me why MS cannot offer the simplest solution to the problem, disc in tray, you cannot play your game offline after the 24 hour check-in UNLESS the disc is in the tray, seems like common sense but MS seem to think otherwise…

    • Aussiesloth

      Same here I need to know how this family share works can he access my games and how does this work .Also our internet is reliable but what exactly happens when your console has not loved in for 24 hours so I’m holding off till they come out and clearly explain all this stuff , I don’t want to have to share one console or have to buy to copies of a game.

      • Jamie Putnam

        I have no problem buying 2 copies of a game because I do it often. I won’t buy 2 copies of a RPG though.

        • Dylan

          Well with the internet based system Xbox One is using, you aren’t buying your games anymore.

          They are rentals. You play as long as Microsoft lets you.

          • Jamie Putnam

            Really? I don’t think I’ll pay $60 for a rental.

          • Dylan

            When the servers go down, you can’t play.
            So you play as long as they let you.

            If you get banned, server outages, console life is over, and suddenly your 500 dollar piece of equipment is a blu ray player.
            And your entire library…is gone.

            They’ll throw out some token statement like “We’ll unlock all those games! Promise!”

            They haven’t earned that trust. And I think people would forgive that, with extreme sales like Steam.
            Though the evidence we have, points to that not happening.

          • deadbox102

            The description of the 24 hr check-in. ^

          • Shane Nokes

            BTW, they’ve already thrown out that promise. Phil Spencer already said in an interview that there’s no need to worry that you won’t be able to play games in the future. That scenario is already taken care of.

            I have no problem with you guys posting, but please don’t try to scare people away with misinformation.

            The truth is the best way to go. If you can’t be honest it hurts you the most.

          • deadbox102

            The problem is trust. His trust is MS is obviously shot and can you honestly blame him? If Phil Spencer is willing to alienate so many and appear arrogant about it, why trust anything he says?

          • Shane Nokes

            It wasn’t Phil that people were accusing of arrogance, it was Don.

            Also I can never make anyone do anything. All I can do is provide information.

            I personally prefer to stick with what is known, rather than guessing. We know what he said. We don’t know if it will be that way or not.

            The reverse is also true. We know what Sony has said…but in the past they have done all sorts of things like rip out BC, removed linux installation, killed the Folding@Home app, and then also they used to load rootkits onto their music and game CD’s.

            You can’t trust any corporation. It’s just a fact of life. So what I do is just do my research, and take things at face value. It’s too hard to go through life always expecting to get screwed. :)

          • deadbox102

            In my group of gamers Don and Phil are considered arrogant. Larry is the only one left they respect.

          • TheDahaka

            This is true. I have already preordered a PS4, but I have to admit my customer service experience with Sony has been highly unsatisfying. MS’ customer service when it comes to refunds etc is far more generous. Im not happy with MS right now, but Im desperate for them to give me reason to come back to X1 and right niw they’re not giving me much :(

          • Dylan

            And what lies did I speak of?

            I said they would throw out a token statement, and they have already.
            How is that a lie?

            Your need to defend the Xbox One, is why you’re trying to discredit my points by saying I’m “dishonest” despite everything I said was true.

          • Shane Nokes

            The first part was directed to you. The second part was directed to the community in general. That’s why I separated it out from the earlier bit.

            Your need to what to make a villain of me overrides your ability to be calm. That’s not my fault.

            Perhaps some meditation to help relax a bit?

          • Dylan

            Your comment can be easily misinterpreted as discrediting my point for inaccuracy.

            Sorry if I misunderstood it, the distinction was not obvious to me.

            My need to make you the villain? Don’t overreact. The only villain here is Shaniqua 1990, and she hasn’t been here for a while.

          • Shane Nokes

            I also apologize if it wasn’t more clear. I was just pointing out to the community in general to just step back, be calm and debate things on the merits of the facts that we do have. :)

            BTW, that was more of a joke about the villain thing…hence my cheeky mention of meditation to relax. :)

          • TheDahaka

            I wont be comfortable until they include that as text as part of a legally binding contract. If they do that, my concerns on that issue would be 80% alleviated.

          • Shane Nokes

            He’s making it sound worse than what it is. He views them as rentals purely because of the check-in.

          • deadbox102

            If MS can control when you play then you do not have ownership of what’s on your hard drive.

          • Shane Nokes

            They only control it as regards the check-in. I’m honestly in the camp of folks who think an offline disc check should be the solution.

            However, if you’re online then there’s not a problem.

            An offline disc check would fix about 99% of complaints I’ve seen. :)

          • deadbox102

            People who can’t get internet just want to stay part of the community and shown gratitude from a company they have supported for years.

          • Shane Nokes

            Yup that’s why I mentioned an offline disc check. If they implemented that I think about 99% of people would be just fine with everything else going on. :)

          • TheDahaka

            This would go some way towards changing my mind about X1.

  • Steve

    I’ve heard you can check in through your phone…. Not sure how it would work though…
    through Smartglass maybe?

    • Dylan

      Tethering to the console.

      Tethering on many networks either violates the terms of service, or adds an extra fee per month.

      Depends on the provider, some don’t charge for it.

      • Steve

        I’m thinking smartglass… It logs directly into my console, don’t know how it does it but it is a pretty cool app. I can control just about anything with my phone.

      • Willy Chris Hui

        Wow, really? That sucks, here in Germany there is no such restriction. You just pay for the megabytes that were used.

    • deadbox102

      The problem is most of the people I’m talking about can’t even get cell service at home. Mine isn’t the best.

    • Herbert Waller

      Use your cell phone as a wifi hot spot (3g or 4g). That’s how you can check in once every 24 hrs if your Internet isn’t working or don’t have.

      • Shawn Springer

        HAHA.. Its basically a joke. You can.. Only two options. You sign up for wifi hotspot which is 25 or so a month to your already expensive phone bill. Or you Root your droid or jailbreak your iphone for free wifi hotspot.

        • Herbert Waller

          Doesn’t matter to me. I have great Internet. My xbox 360 is always signed in, when it’s turned on. AKA, I have zero problem with having my future Xbox One checking in once every 24 hrs.

          • Dennis Fluttershy

            Yeah, my Xbox can check every 2 minutes if it so want to.

  • Dylan

    Killer Instinct is a F2P game.

    You have to pay to unlock all the characters.

    There are 3 F2P games I can think of on PS4, but I’m not counting those.

  • Dylan

    Mountain Dew and Doritos will be giving away thousands of Xbox One’s. Not a joke.

    http://www pepsico com/PressRelease/Mountain-Dew-and-Doritos-Brands-Will-Offer-THOUSANDS-of-Microsoft-Xbox-One-Syste06102013.html

    • ElektroDragon

      Yeah, if you buy their liquid poison or fake cardboard gook for codes. Pepsi products are responsible for the epidemic of diabetes and obesity in the country.

      • Shane Nokes

        /Facepalm

        Coke has just as much corn syrup in it.

        At least with Pepsi I can buy the ‘Throwback’ soda line…mmm real sugar. :)

        BTW want to know who is really at fault for diabetes and obesity? The person who doesn’t control their own dietary habits.

        • ElektroDragon

          I know, I got diabetes at 30 from drinking nothing but Coke as a teenager. I wasn’t even that fat.

          • Dylan

            Ahh dude. Man that sucks.

          • Shane Nokes

            Indeed. Sorry to hear that man. :(

            I enjoy my soda, but also have members of my family (particularly my mom) who have diabetes. It’s a hell of nasty disease. She’s nearly blind from it and has neuropathy in her feet.

            So I enjoy in moderation.

          • deadbox102

            Sorry to hear that. You made me feel good about just getting kidney stones from my soda consumption.

    • paul rolland

      You know that if the Kinect cant see Dew or Doritos in the room, it wont work =3 That was a joke before all the fanboys Jump on it

      • Shane Nokes

        I actually saw that same joke earlier today. It was either on Facebook or YouTube. :)

      • Shawn Springer

        You know XBOX One is named that because it may actually only sale one.

    • Shane Nokes

      That’s awesome. They did this with the original Xbox as well.

      I actually have one of the limited edition Mountain Dew Xbox models. :)

      • Dylan

        Myself, I would be…embarrassed to be seen with that.

        But it is your console, to each his own, if you like it then good for you.

        The only limited edition I’ve had was the Halo 3 Xbox 360. Which was cool, until it RROD’ed. :(

        • Dylan

          The 15 GB hard drive was NOT cool. Which I still use to this day…

        • Shane Nokes

          Why would you be embarrassed by it? My Gamertag is Mountain Dew. So I felt it fitting to have a console that matched the Gamertag. :)

          • Dylan

            I’m tempted to add you right now to see if you aren’t trolling me right now…

          • Shane Nokes

            Fire away a friend request, and send me a message so I know it’s you, otherwise I won’t accept. You’ll see that I’m being honest. :)

          • ElektroDragon

            Why are you such a huge Xbox supporter and fan, even after all this, when you have have less than a quarter of my gamerscore?

          • Dylan

            Was kind of thinking that too.

            I have 94,000 gamerscore. Add me if you want. “MassiveDisturb”

          • Dylan

            Or people can feel free to troll me too!
            Its fair game if its on the internet!

          • Shane Nokes

            Sorry was away from PC. Checking messages now :)

          • Shane Nokes

            The reason for the low gamerscore is actually mostly related to work. On a lot of my jobs I work long hours…including sometimes where I don’t even go home for a day or two due to the long shifts required.

            I’ve been playing on Xbox since pretty much day 1. I had an Xbox before LIVE was even available.

            I used to be a huge supporter of Nintendo and even Sony. I still own most consoles as they come out.

            I wouldn’t say it’s so much about being a huge Xbox supporter and fan (even though I am) and more about just wanting to make sure people have the right information.

            It seems in the Sony and Nintendo camps the information there is very clear. Over this way the information is less so. So I just like to help where I can. :)

          • ElektroDragon

            What a fair minded fellow you are. :)

          • Shane Nokes

            What can I say…I’ve always been this way. I have this odd sense of (to quote quantum leap) wanting to put right what once went wrong.

            Once of my biggest sources of depression in this life is that I end up feeling like ‘Cassandra’ doomed to have a ton of knowledge, but with very few people willing to listen. :(

      • ElektroDragon

        OH YEAH?? Well I have the Mountain Dew Xbox Beanie Hat! So PBBBBBBBT!!!

        • Shane Nokes

          I don’t have that one…but I do have some of the Mountain Dew Xbox 360 baseball caps.

          There’s a few pieces of swag over the years that I’ve missed collecting…which I wish I could find and have here.

  • ElektroDragon

    MAJOR, can I get Day One edition games digitally and if not, why not?!?

    • Willy Chris Hui

      You can.

      • ElektroDragon

        No, I mean WITH the Day One exclusive DLC.

        • Willy Chris Hui

          Sorry mate, I read too fast. Then I’m not sure!

    • Steve

      I was wondering that too. I know you can get the games digitally on day one, but wasn’t sure if you could get the extra dlc that GameStop or amazon are offering with pre orders…

    • Steve

      I hope Major answers this, that will make the difference in which games I preorder through retailer or Live if I get an Xbox One. I’m really conflicted because I really like the family/friend share program….

      • davemcdave

        Why does it matter, whichever you buy (digital or retail) you’ll be able to share it on your library. The disc of the retail version will simply install the digital version of the game.

        • Dylan

          They’re talking about how Day One physical games have free DLC, and want to know whether the digital purchase of these games will as well.

          • davemcdave

            My comment was in reply to “I’m really conflicted because I really like the family/friend share program….”, to which retail and digital make no difference.

          • Dylan

            Eeeeeee my bad. I’ll edit my comment.

          • davemcdave

            No worries, as I replied to you on another comment, it’s nice that someone is actually able to debate the XB1 in a reasonable manner and with some civility. :)

          • Steve

            Talking about DLC with day one digital downloads, but still conflicted about purchasing the Xbox One…

          • davemcdave

            Ahhh, apologies! I read that as you thinking only retail OR digital games were shared in the family program.

    • Chuck

      Probably not, launch day extra DLC is there to entice you to buy form specific retailers.

  • karma32

    So I guess with all these restrictions, us U.S. Navy people and the rest of the U.S. military personel over seas are going to be screwed over with the Xbox One. Region locks. Nope no more getting a care packages from our loved ones with new Xbox One games we all want to play because of the region checking restrictions. And internet isn’t always a luxury. Has Microsoft even considered this? They have just screwed over a bunch of potential followers from the military and many of prefer the Xbox console. I guess Microsoft could care less about the U.S. military over seas. They’d rather see us supporting a foreign console instead. Thanks.

    • deadbox102

      The X1 is the Secretariat of consoles, but it can’t run because its tied to the starting gate.

    • Dylan

      Also, don’t forget how the the charity foundation “Child’s Play” is not happy with this console as well.

      • deadbox102

        Buy a 360. :-/ God I hate those words.

      • BigBernard

        Anything that annoys Penny Arcade is good in my book though.

      • Shawn Springer

        We went to a childrens hospital to visit a child that had cancer. His parents abandoned him there and the social service was there at the time that our friend was with her child going through treatment. Anyways we needed to sign up to stay the night at the hospital as its good he has someone going through chemo treatment. We went there two times. The first time we went and played with him in his room since he cant leave. They had an xbox and a wii there. So we played video games for a while. Next day I brought over a Spider-man game because at 4 years old.. SPIDER MAN Rocks. His name was Columbus and he enjoyed playing it, but none of the rooms had internet connections. I know later that people may donated current gen systems in a couple years to charities. Columbus died 8 months later. At the time he had an amazing enjoyment and we loved that we were there for him at two different nights.

        • Dylan

          Thanks for sharing that.
          Its really sad they won’t be able to enjoy the next Halo or any cool Xbox One games. All for greed.

          But hey, at least Sony stepped up for all of us right?

          • davemcdave

            Except, ya know, how MS have already stated that they are looking into solutions for the military and special exceptions where internet is not available.

          • Dylan

            Yep. Something akin to using a code to unlock right?

            Would they even bother buying one and dealing with that? Or go to the competition. I’m not sure.
            And we don’t know when that’ll be implemented.

            The trading thing won’t be around at launch either I believe.

          • Dylan

            Also for Child’s Play, that is a donation service.

            People send in games and consoles to them. How would they access these games without an internet connection?
            How would the console know if it is in a hospital?

    • Chuck

      Yes, and they are discussing special codes for active duty military.

      • Dylan

        Damage has been done.

        “I predict a major shift to PlayStation Marine Corps-wide,” said a former Marine who’s done two tours aboard a carrier strike group at sea and who has beta-tested games for various companies. “Xbox is going to tank in the military.”

        “Xbox was the previous favorite,” the Marine said. “‘Halo’ has always been an essential team LAN game aboard ship. It was almost a standard. Lots of people had it so easy to link Xboxes for 4 on 4,” said the Marine. “Xbox was king of social gaming aboard ship.”

        A group of gaming Marines, Soldiers and Sailors broke down some numbers for us, and it turns out that somewhere around 25 to 30,000 troops do duty aboard ship at any given moment. Another Navy Sailor pointed out to us that there’s at least 6 to 7,000 troops aboard those submarines Mattrick so flippantly referenced. Not to mention the majority of the stateside military living in barracks rooms, where random room changes occur regularly.

        Counting the Coast Guard, the number of active duty military, most of which lives in barracks housing, rests at around 1.4 million. That’s a lot of units sold or not sold — [take our POLL] — even more of a reason Mattrick might want to step tenderly around the subject of uniformed members.

  • Steve

    I’ve never been banned from Xbox but this is a little disconcerting…
    http://m.cinemablend com/games/banned-xbox-live-accounts-lose-access-all-xbox-one-games-56755.html

    • deadbox102

      I have never actually been against a console before. I don’t PS, but I’m willing to give it chance and play it. I truly hate the X1.

      • ElektroDragon

        It would be awesome, if it were as powerful as the PS4 and didn’t try to be jack of all trades, master of none.

    • PSN_IS_GARBAGE

      But Steve, If you read the current TOU of XBL they can do this to us right now on 360. It’s amazing what is written in the fine print. Say for example you were wrongly banned (possible but highly unlikely I know) MS reserves the right to deny access to every digital item you purchased from them. This includes, all digital games like XBLA, GOD, and INDY as well as all DLC you purchased for retail games not to mention any thing you might have bought from Xbox Video, Xbox Music, Avatar Items, Themes and Gamerpics.

      The whole system is flawed the way MS wants to turn this into a POS steam box. To this very day I haven’t even visited the steam website because I could care less about PC gaming untill today where I finally read their TOU. It’s strikingly similiar to the BS MS is trying to pull on us now but it’s still less restrictive.

      This gen, I’m not buying anything digitally at all unless I have no other means to get the title. On PS4 I’m buying all my games on disk so I don’t have to worry about the headache I went through with all my XBLA games.

      Either way, I’m not supporting MS or the Xbox One..

      • Dylan

        The difference is, this time it’ll be every game you’ve ever purchased. Instead of just the digital ones.

        • PSN_IS_GARBAGE

          I know.. horrible isn’t it? :( Not on PS4 though! :)

          • Dylan

            Hopefully PSN won’t be garbage this time eh?

            I’m hoping its the best of the 360 (XBL, party chat, etc.) with the next gen capabilities that the PS4 has.

            Now if only I could get a 3rd party controller that mimics the Xbox One’s controller…

          • PSN_IS_GARBAGE

            Haha, I hope not..

            Just like you, I have all my confidence in Sony right now and since PSN is now going to be funded with PSN+ subscriptions I really hope they improve the service 10 fold.

            Yeah, I hear you about the controller, I’m still trying to adjust to the dual shock 3 with Bioshock Infinite. I’ve always had a problem with the DS3 for first person shooters due to the lack of resistance in the analog sticks and the L2 and R2 triggers. Although the PS4 controller looks to be improved I might also be seeking out a 3rd party option as well just in case I’m still not happy with the controller.

            I really should just change my user name I know lol. Most people wouldn’t understand someone with a handle of PSN Is Garbage who has now had a change of heart due to one company’s controlling ways.

          • TheDahaka

            If by garbage you mean getting games like Just Cause 2, Uncharted 3, Batman Arkham City, Red Dead Redemption, Little Big Planet 2, and an endless list of other full games free as well as Deive Club at the launch of ps4, then yes I hope it’s still garbage.

          • Dylan

            I didn’t mean PS+.
            I just mean that having no party chat, and a community with mostly no headsets was pretty lame.

          • PSN_IS_GARBAGE

            You do realize PSN+ is a rental service just like Xbox One right? You do realize that those games you mentioned aren’t free and that your 50 bucks a year goes towards your rental of these games right? They aren’t free because we are paying a cost to have these and Sony is absorbing the rest of the loss themselves.

            Personally I still haven’t even activated my one month PSN+ card and I’ve had my PS3 for months now. I think I’m just going to wait till PS4 before joining up.

            And to be honest, For Sony to start charging for their service is only going to be benificial to all of us and the network itself. I always have told everyone on PS3 that a paid subscription service is going to become the standard for consoles… Sucks being right all the time..

          • TheDahaka

            I do 100% realise both points above. But those are rentals Im not paying “full price” for and I know what Im buying into…a little difference that matters a whole lot.

          • Dennis Fluttershy

            Just to let you know, coupons/codes/offers do expire… a month, a year… who knows. Just hope it will still work when PS4 is here.

  • cindy brigman

    Can’t wait for all the games to come out, The one that caught my eye was Call of Duty Ghost, Going to be a great game, Xbox live has the best community, Playstation4 is not going to be able to touch it. lol

  • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

    Are the MS trolls not working today? I suppose it is the weekend.

    • BigBernard

      Look out for someone called “jok” on CinemaBlend com. He must work overtime.

      cinemablend com/games/Banned-Xbox-Live-Accounts-Lose-Access-All-Xbox-One-Games-56755.html

  • disqus_eUPQtFSCTG

    http://www p4rgaming com/microsoft-confirms-xbox-one-will-only-work-in-21-states-in-the-us-at-launch/ aaaaahahahahaha Mshizz is gona fail, fail hard aaaaahahahahahaha

    • Telltales

      Lol. I wonder if people here would actually believe that article

      • disqus_eUPQtFSCTG

        some prolly will

    • Dylan

      C’mon dude. That’s a joke.

      It is releasing in 21 countries.

      • disqus_eUPQtFSCTG

        lolz hehe im just messin with the fanboys

    • davemcdave

      You’re aware that’s a satirical website, right?

  • disqus_eUPQtFSCTG

    Now i just hope that Mshizze first party jump ship and go 3rd party just to keep em alive!

  • disqus_eUPQtFSCTG

    Pooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! llllllllllllllllllllllllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeee!
    ssssssssssssssssssssssssuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccck iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!

  • Dylan

    If you actually believe that Microsoft will unlock all your games, and your discs will suddenly work as they should, think again. Don’t trust it unless it is legally bound.

    Microsoft has already done this when they shut down MSN music key servers when they decided to go to the next generation, Zune.

    http://arstechnica com/information-technology/2008/04/drm-sucks-redux-microsoft-to-nuke-msn-music-drm-keys/

    • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

      At the very least i think they would want some form of payment to do it.

  • davemcdave

    Please tell me where MS have confirmed that used games will cost more on XB1? Firstly MS have confirmed that they will not be charging the retailer (ya know, like Gamestop / Game) any premium on trading in games, that is entirely up to the publisher to setup directly with the stores. So all first party games are unaffected other than having to go to a store with the Azure tech to allow your license to be revoked (as otherwise people would just give the game discs to each other to install the complete game), after that it is up to the EA’s of this world to work their own terms out with retailers if they want to. This is no different from Sony’s policy of leaving DRM up to the publisher, but confirming that no first party titles will use it.

    • Dylan

      I understand why you say it isn’t any different than the PS4, but it is different.

      For the Publishers it would be much harder to set up such a DRM system on the PS4.

      They would have to set up authentication servers, which costs some serious money.

      With Xbox One, the system is in place, just needs a flick of a switch.
      With Xbox One, they can assume that buyers were aware of the DRM restrictions, and would be okay with such practices.

      Add that to PS4 first party games not having any new restrictions, they have said that they would be surprised if anyone else did.
      Not saying it won’t happen, just saying it isn’t the same.

      The used games thing is the only optional thing Publishers have on the Xbox console.
      For the PS4, everything is an option.
      And we have a choice to skip those DRM games as well.

      • davemcdave

        The only thing MS are guilty of with regards to used games is implementing a system to allow publishers to enforce the TOS that we have all agreed to for generations now. Pull out any disc based console game and read the restrictions printed on the disc and in the manual, you never owned your games, just the disc they were put onto, your money only purchased a license to use the software contained therein. If consumers had a problem with that practice then they have had 10 years to vote with their wallet to tell MS, Sony, Sega & Nintendo that they did not agree with this policy, however they didn’t. Instead we bought these consoles and games in their millions and happily agreed to these TOS’s. So no, the consumer had a chance to prevent this 10 years ago and didn’t, and now you are paying the price.

        Other than that, outside of the 24-hour check in which is required due the the games all being effectively digital purchases (otherwise you could pass your disc to 100 friends who would all get the game for free), which MS should change to allow you to play offline after that time provided the disc is in the tray anyway, what other DRM restrictions are we talking about? As honestly, I think most people are blowing the 24 hour check in thing out of proportion anyway, as 90% of people living in the 21 launch XB1 countries have a good enough connection to allow the kb’s per day required for the online check-in, heck you don’t even have to turn your console on to do it!

  • Miles

    This is awesome, but what about Media Center?

  • deadbox102

    So let me get this straight MS. You are willing to allow banned players (abusive players) to continue to play their games, but not ones who lose a connection longer than the time allowed?

  • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

    Just watched Angry Joe interviewing Mr Nelson at E3. Joe was clearly nervous but i thought he did well, he asked some tough questions. I thought Mr Nelson tackled those questions very well and the answers sounded pretty slick. It was a good interview, I’m happy the Major gave an interview with Joe, that was a cool thing to do especially after Joe has had some pretty serious rants over the Xbox One.

    Good interview Joe, good answers Major but i still don’t want to buy the Xbox One with all of its DRM and forced Kinect. Sorry.

    • deadbox102

      Here’s my personal problem with the “connected” console. This console/infrastructure is designed to last and grow for years. During that time the economy will fluctuate. When the economy took a dive a few years back I was seriously having to look at dropping my internet to make ends meet. My neighbor did drop his for almost 7 months. All the games that I purchased during the fruitful time would be rendered useless during the time they would be the only entertainment I have. With the network you are designing I have to be practical when looking at buying your console. I’m not willing for a dime (losing Internet) to hold up a dollar (100′s of dollars spent on content).

    • PSN_IS_GARBAGE

      He interviewed Larry? I hope the Major wasn’t aware of his previous rant videos regarding MS’s DRM. If Major was aware of this, I’m sure he was the one that was actually nervous. Haha! I’m going over to Joe’s channel right now to check it out. Thanks for the heads up!

      • Dylan

        Major said he was a fan of Joe’s.
        The PR people were really worried, but Major did his best to answer questions.
        He was dodgy sure, but at least he gave the interview right?

        • deadbox102

          I think they’re all just trying to get through e3 and regroup.

        • Shawn Springer

          I think Major was a bit more tolerable to him but took offense when mentioning how restrictive it is. The real restrictive part is the online check. If you give your game to a friend online or in your library, it may not work if the user is in another region as its region locked. Sure, your friends can share your amazing library.. Let me delete my DVR videos, download a 50 gigabyte game for the next 13 hours. I think Comcast and others put a bandwidth cap on their service or you have to pay more if you go over 100 gigs a month. Not sure how enforced it is.

        • PSN_IS_GARBAGE

          Yeah I noticed that in the very begining.. Major was like, “Oh noes, this guy again?”

          Despite how pushy Joe was, I think Major lacked some professionalism himself by grabbing the mic out of his hand and beating around the bush on so many different questions only to keep referring to this cloud as the land of milk and honey that is only good for the gamer and not restrictive.

          Also I think Major is mistaken about being banned and what happens to our games when banned.. If you read our current TOU on the 360, it states something along the lines of “Microsoft reserves the right to disable services and access to said services and content in the event of account/IP banning on XBL.

          So in reality, I think Major is mistaken seeing as how MS already has a clause in their TOU that says they can do this. Why would Xbox One not enforce this when 360 already has for years? That’s what I’d like to know.

          • Dylan

            Here us your answer. From Xbox support. You lose your entire library

            http://img gawkerassets com/img/18quyk4zmbkcxpng/ku-medium.png

  • ElektroDragon

    Here is all I want:

    1) Tie X1 XBLA games to purchasing console AND the gamertag, just like 360, so my wife and I can eventually play the same games together over Live at the same time when she gets her own X1. Without me having to buy another copy. This is how it works today on 360. Retail digital games don’t have to work like this.

    2) Ryse should not “play itself” if I miss a button prompt.

    3) Up the X1 system specs or the graphics on Dead Rising 3 so it doesn’t have so many jaggies. It hardly looks next gen.

    4) Let me get the Day One edition games DLC even if I buy digital copies on day one, don’t force me to buy physical to get your Day One DLC for these games!

    Do this, I and I’ll buy an X1 in addition to the PS4.

    • Dennis Fluttershy

      1) This is how it works, of what I know. Games downloaded and installed works for anyone on the first consoles, like DLC/Arcade games. I haven’t read anything saying anything different.

  • karma32

    The sad thing is I think the next gen will be a repeat of the one sided PS2 days. The great thing about the Xbox was that a console finally came out to challenge the Playstation for the core gamers and with the Xbox 360, Microsoft got it so right that it got so many followers and finally the market had a nice split of games going to 2 consoles. Made great for competition. Finally a company came in to challenge the Japanese console making market and did a great job.

    I don’t know if you read the news, but the PS4 has been getting a shocking large amount of developers for the system lately and it’s all due to the Xbox One. I still have not come accross anyone wanting the Xbox One. The online part is great, but just because it’s fully online that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be used offline too and this is where Microsoft got it all wrong and made it way to restrictive. 24 hour check has turn most people off. Why not 3-4 weeks instead? They’re shoving all these restrictions and they’re confusing people and telling people how great it is, but no one is listening because it’s TOO restrictive. It’s not going to sell very much past the launch days, everyone seems to see it but Microsoft.

    So sad, the next gen is going to be the return of the one sided console for Playstation. It took a lot to stop the Playstation’s dominance and now it’s going to be back. Back to a Japanese console hardware dominating market, back to a one sided console race, and it’s going to be all Microsoft’s fault and their stubborness of these restrictions. I’ll just stick to my iPad for gaming and tear as I watch a once mighty giant fall because of utterly stupid decisions in the console market. It’s ok, I did the same when I watched Sega do the same thing before they fell off the market.

    • paul rolland

      Really? The Ps2 was awesome

  • Hans

    Now MS finally lost me as a customer. I have 3 Xbox360s and a lot of games but this I will not put up with.
    I was really hoping that the new always-online-you-can’t-trade-or-lend-your-games would come with a significantly lower game price to offset the loss in resale value, but you guys will be asking 60 bucks for a game just like now.
    Where do you get the nerve to increase effective game prices by 100%?
    Normally I would buy a game for 60$ and resell it for 30$ after I’m done, now this won’t work any more because no one will buy a used game on ebay because its way to risky that the license transfer will not work.

    So: you lost a long time customer with two gold subs to Sony. They are doing it right. You buy a game you own it. Period. Any resale license nonsense can be settled with the publishers on the back end. 1 Disk – 1 License. If you think you are pushing the industry into the next step of evolution or whatever, I’ll gladly stay behind.

    I want to be able to take my console on a skiing or whatever vacation and have it ready to play in case of bad weather without having to buy hotel-internet-access every damn day.

    If you want it to go online every 24 hours (which I absolutely see no reason for) do it like amazon does it with their Kindle. Put a gsm modem in there with a worldwide paid for data sim.

    TLDR: Cut the license bullshit or I’m a Sony customer come November.

  • defgufman

    I just pre-ordered 2. The 10 friends and family library sharing is what sold me.

    • defgufman

      Now if we can get a system where we can sell and trade our digital content, life would be good. I want t be able to leave my games to my kids one day :D

      • xboxoneforlife

        You can trade each game once to somoene on your friends list. Only exception is they must be on it for 30 days. So make your kids have a gamertag and bam all content to them.

        • defgufman

          I honestly think the end of discs will end up being a good thing. I don’t miss CD’s at all.

          • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

            Maybe you won’t miss your digital games too when you can no longer access them.

          • Wayne Hixson

            I think losing access to digital content is far less likely than loss, damage, or theft of a physical disk, especially over the time period being talked about

      • deadbox102

        At this rate it would have to be stated in your will and signed of on by a judge.

    • defgufman

      At this point in the 360 life cycle, I find myself using digital games more than disc games. My biggest issue is hard drive space. The One needs at least a TB or the ability to add an external 3rd party drive.

      • Edwin Greenwald

        Yes, I was wondering he same thing. No specs state ho big a hard drive (if any) comes with the console. The internal memory (6 meg?) is not going to be large enough to store anything. Remember the games will not be played from the disk. Hey must be installed on the console.

  • Kieran

    Microsoft finds itself surrounded in controversy again.

    new bit of controversy to add to the growing pile for the Xbox One revolves around its E3 demo units, which have been reported to be PCs in disguise. According to reports, many if not all of the demo units at Microsoft’s E3 press event and at the booths were PCs

    As reported by Cinemablend, Peter Moore, second in command of EA told Geoff Keighley in an interview at E3 that many of the games shown for the Xbox One were running off PC hardware.

    In addition, various folks at E3 have spotted Microsoft’s demo units crashing to a Windows 7 screen. Julian Rignall a writer for US Gamer recently tweeted that the demo unit he was playing with crashed to a Windows 7 showing a Hewlet Packard branded desktop. During Microsoft’s E3 press conference, you could also audibly hear a very familiar Windows sound during Capcom’s Dead Rising 3 demo.

    Jonathan Blow tweeted:

    That is kind of crazy considering consoles are supposed to be on the shelves with these games in 5-6 months.

    During Microsoft’s press show I was impressed by how good the games looked given the console’s specs. But if they weren’t running on those specs then it becomes pretty questionable.

    I actually don’t want XB1 to fail because we need competition to keep things healthy.

    • Shawn Springer

      They are suppose to be starting mass production in the next couple months. So they should have a viable product to display. I remember when 360 launched, it was a massive market.. Then a few short months, the RROD messages started rising. 60 percent failure rate. So xbox essentially took a lost by having to replace, fix and extend warranties til 3 years out. I would not be the first to buy anything on consoles and would love to own one. But Ill stick to the 360 slim model for the next 3-4 years. I am not sold on XBOX 720. :)

    • Mitchell Hall

      Once again people being absolutely retarded. Youre right every bit of it was on pc. As was playstations. Do you know why? Because they were all running on dev kits. My god people are you that retarded? You said they claimed it was running on pc hardware. BECAUSE IT WAS. Both systems are running on x86 pc architecture. I mean I swear to god peoples IQS have dropped at least 20 points since the xbox reveal. Lets not mention at all that assassins creed at the playstation confrence froze like 10 times before completely crashing. lol ahh man too funny.

      • Dylan

        It wasn’t running on a dev kit.

        It was running on a GTX 780 chip, which is WAYYY better than both the consoles have. It is a top-of-the-line Nvidia card.
        The Xbox One uses a middle of the line modified AMD.

        Not representative of the console.

  • Realmusik Recordz

    Backwards capability .. Through snapmode

    • deadbox102

      Wow… just wow.

  • Kenneth Anderson

    Normally I buy all the systems, but now that I see what Microsoft is doing by having too many requirements just to play games I feel let down by a brand I trusted. Sticking with the PlayStation 4 and perhaps I will buy the Wii U. I just find it difficult support a company who has no clue as to what I want. I will find it to be a serious challenge to buy another Windows product again.

  • Nas Naseer

    What are you people gonna do with the PS4? let’s be fair the PS4 got some sh’t’y games. The reason why people are not buying a X One is because of the DRM.

    People will buy a PS4 because of NO DRM.

    • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

      Any console can have sh*tty games. I think The Order looks interesting. The Uncharted games have been excellent on the PS3 and I’m currently playing The Last of Us which is excellent too.

      To a certain extent you are correct. I’m getting a PS4 because i can play offline as long as i want, i can purchase used games if i so wish without heavy handed restrictions as well as physically lend games to friends. I’m also not getting a camera forced upon me and the hardware is more powerful too. Plus Playstation appear to be more gamer centric and i like that. The only thing i don’t like is the Dual Shock controller and the social networking side they seem to be pushing but i can live with that for the sake of keeping full control of the content i purchase.

      • deadbox102

        Uncharted is the newest game I have for my PS3 and I’ve just started playing it last week. The quality of that exclusive has me excited to get The Last of Us Tuesday. .

      • disqus_eUPQtFSCTG

        you can buy an adapter that will allow you to use a xbox controller on ps3 look it up google search (xbox 360 controller to ps3 adapter) you can thank me later :)

      • Dylan

        Apparently Dual Shock 4 is good. This article is written by someone who didn’t like Dual Shock 3.

        “My Blacklight demo marked my first time holding the PlayStation 4′s new controller, which I fell in love with instantly. It feels better in the hand, with more responsive buttons and far more manageable triggers than those on the comparatively obtuse DualShock 3.”

        http://www polygon com/2013/6/16/4430256/blacklight-retribution

    • deadbox102

      I’m buying the PS4 because its not a “connected” console. I can handle having to authenticate when I buy the game. When it comes to the sharing plan, restrict my library from everyone until my console comes back online. I understand the DRM and really have no problem with it. I understand why some do, but I do not. I see the potential in what MS has created, but I’m not biting on the check-in requirement.

    • BigBernard

      People will buy a PS4 because they want a PS4. Ever considered that?

    • James Jiao

      Whether a game is good or not is totally an opinion. What makes you think your opinion would stop others from liking PS4 games and purchasing a PS4?

  • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

    I’ve thought this myself, MS are making themselves a huge target for hackers who’ll want to bring the system down to make a point.

  • deadbox102

    I’m sure each system will have its own set of achievements.

  • paul rolland

    I don’t mind the Drm or the online checking if they prove the money they make through the used games is going back to the game devs and not them. I mean the things like the fee they will charge retails etc to become used sellers of Xbox one games

  • Richard Secor

    “. . . achievements never expire (a promise) . . . “: Obviously achievements never expiring was not a promise on the 360. Otherwise the online only achievements from some of the sports games would still be able to be gained.

  • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

    I see the Amazon poll has ended 6 days early with the Xbox One getting hammered by the PS4 at a ratio of 18:1.

    Yes it’s only a poll but i wouldn’t want my new product getting publicly obliterated like that. How on earth did you from the awesomeness that was Xbox 360 to this poorly thought out and unwanted console?

    • xboxoneforlife

      Yep. It’s June they have 5 months to show more information about the xbox one. People are overreacting and i can guarantee come november that ratio will be much closer

      • Morgon Britton

        No it won’t. They already released all the information on their policies and they are set and locked. The used games may change a little but the online check-ins won’t I can already assure of that. Sorry but your prediction is completely out of consideration.

        • Dennis Fluttershy

          They can change it if they so want. Rais 24 hours to 72 to it can be used over the weekend, or so. They do whatever they want.

      • deadbox102

        As long as there’s a required check-in no amount of info will convince me to purchase the X1.

    • Peter Taylor

      Maybe xbox one does so bad that we can pick one up cheap later ;D

      I’d like to meet the people behind the xbox one DRM ideas. Sounds like these decisions have been made by middle managers. Maybe they had a dead line to meet and just put them into a big hat….and picked them out ;D

      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        If it were cheap enough i may pick one up……………and then drop it.

  • Dennis Fluttershy

    All Microsoft needs here is offline disc-check.
    As long as you have the disc, you can play the game.
    Has 24 hours passed since last time you was online? Then insert that disc, and it will confirm that you still own the game.
    Has 20 years passed and Microsoft has turned off Xbox Live? Then simply insert the disc and play that game.

  • Berserk Rage

    disc based games shouldn’t have any Online DRM check … if anyone want that then they they can buy the downloadable version of the game just the way it is on the Xbox 360 now ….

    • deadbox102

      I don’t care how they do it, but if they want this gamer to switch my $2700 in pre-orders to their system then they will get rid of the required check-in.

  • crankbait

    without backwards compatibility (on PS4 or XB1) this is the perfect time
    to decide on a future platform. PS4 will allow me to trade and resell
    but to be completely honest I think I will keep my PS3 and 360 and
    choose a homemade steambox as my next platform. There are so many great
    games for the PS3 and 360 I have not even gotten around to and if I
    really want to move up to ‘next-gen’ graphics might as well go PC on my
    65″ plasma. Thanks MSFT for helping me make that decision!

  • Nobodylolz

    Achievements never expire yeah sure, there are a ton that you can no longer get and nothing has been done about that, so i dont believe theyre gonna do something especial about it

  • Berserk Rage

    Why everyone in MS is in denial !!! why they are talking as is nothing happened instead of taking some actions to fix the issues in Xbox One !!! is all hope gone for Xbox One? can’t you fix it now???

  • Steve

    I just bought a PS3 to test the waters and see how I like the Playstation ecosystem…

    • deadbox102

      Honestly, its not bad. I never gave it a chance until the info of the X1 came out.

    • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

      Get PS+ it’s an excellent service with the amount of content you get. The main thing that annoys me about PSN is the lack of party chat but they’ll have that on the PS4 so that’s okay.

  • Costas

    Let’s say I buy/download a single player game from xboxlive.
    Why on earth do I have to check in to play that game?

    • Shane Nokes

      Due to the ‘family’ share feature.

  • deadbox102

    While the X1 is in second place on Amazon, which is behind the PS4 in 1st, they’re 4 other versions of the PS4 in the top ten not counting its controller. Not only that, but they’re 3 games, Destiny, BF4 and Watchdogs, in the top ten. The closest X1 game hasn’t broke the top 20. MS, drop the required check-in and I’ll add 3 consoles, 6 controllers and 16 games while subtracting from PS. The number of games I’ll buy are likely to go up. Come on MS, let me help.

  • paul rolland

    I don’t understand the 300k servers. Most 3rd party games have their own online servers for online play, I know cod had @.@ so these 300k server are not for game play but for the befit of the DRM, cloud sales and family share systems right?

    • Shane Nokes

      cloud processing as well…which is used for features in games.

      • deadbox102

        Why did this get down voted?

        • Shane Nokes

          Because folks love down-voting me for no reason…

          • deadbox102

            Well at least they’re thinking about you.

    • KillerByte

      It will be used for Dedicated Servers etc

  • deadbox102

    We live in two different worlds. My internet is nowhere near that good.

    • Edwin Greenwald

      I don’t think my Internet has ever gone down without it being my fault. Last time is when my router stopped working. The time before that was in Texas (with FIOS, talk about cool) I had a switch in the attic that the heat killed.
      Who cares that I check in once a day. I don’t steal. Check away. Also, I like the idea of your game collection always being with you. That being said, however, I don’t understand why they are still charging $59 for a game that they don’t actually have to physically make, package and ship.

      • deadbox102

        I like my library being in the cloud. I just don’t think I should be separated from it if something happens to my internet. It’s never a good idea to approach anything with just one plan.

  • Steve

    Go here and vote for your favorite console:
    xboxonevspsfour com

    • RED360

      http://uk. gamespot. com/twitter-battle/xbox-vs-ps4/

  • Edwin Greenwald

    Amen brother!

 

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