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Xbox 360 By Larry Hryb, Xbox LIVE's Major Nelson
I don’t play my games offline. What’s da big deal?
100 bucks extra … Xbox can do a whole lot more shxx to!
Both systems prices are about right to me
Honestly ms needs to address gamers or the press with answers. Q&A. Everyone is still confused wtf is going on. Take a few mins to answer question ms. Stop pr dodging us.
Backwards capability through snap mode
DC Universe. Free to play. Free to download. No plus needed. Brain before mouth
Major Nelson made angry joe look stupid..lol
MS using smoke and mirrors at E3
like always, only this time we dont want what they are selling…
The Xbox One is making all of MS look stupid.
Same thing was said for the xbox 360. Microsoft took the chance of making broadband into a mandatory thing from dial up. Now no one complains about xbox live or using broadband. Digital is the way of the future. Embrace it or enjoy playing older systems like the ps3 and xbox 360. Before you say but sony is letting us play offline. For how long? If publishers want to make all their games online only then you have no more offline games.
Many of factors that will play for the new couple of years. Innovation can be unpopular but if it wasn’t for companies like MS and apple we wouldn’t be gaming like we do today.
Not the same thing. You’re talking about them adopting broadband before it was in every home. Risky move, but it worked, but you weren’t limited or told to stick with the original if you didn’t have broadband. It was optional. You could still play your system regardless. This is step in the WRONG direction, not forward.
It wasn’t optional though. You had the choice. Buy a 360 and play offline or get broadband in your house to play online. They had no dial up when microsoft made the change. Same with now. You can still play offline for 24 hours, after that you need to check in. You have 2 ways of doing so. Either by internet or tethering from your phone.
Everyone who posts on the internet must have a internet connection or a smart phone so most people comments online to the issue of DRM is not a issue. If you want to play another platform then that choice is yours. To say Microsoft is taking a step in the wrong direction is not how they see it.
Obviously MS doesn’t see it, and that’s why they are already losing this battle. When I reserved my PS4 with Gamestop, the guy said he was reserving PS4s at about a 4 to 1 rate over the XBone. That is telling. And the consumer decides what was and what wasn’t a good choice. And sadly, even though I was an XBox gamer from day one (original system through 360) I’m done with MS’s brand. I love my 360, but it will be the last MS gaming console I will own.
Please enjoy the platform of your choosing. Just remember to have fun gaming!
major is it true xbox one is shipping with windows 7 and a new nvidia 700 series graphics card ?
The xbox one has 3 operating systems: a windows 8 doo hickey that handles snap mode and apps and such, the gaming operating system, and an operating systems that alow the other 2 to work together
i think he (xstalker) is just trolling.
He’s talking about how at E3 they’re not using real Xbox One dev kits.
They’re using machines with a GTX 780 graphics chip. Top of the line, and not even close to the real modified AMD chip the Xbox One is going to have.
is it true that you can hook up a 360 to a one and play 360 games that way? if so, could someone provide some sources?
that was a rumor and i couldn’t find a reliable source either.
in any case you need to keep your 360 to play your 360 games.
most tvs have multiple inputs… just keep both systems around for backwards compatibility.. the real question is after the launch of the “one” how many game studios will continue to produce content on the 360?
The XBOne has an HDMI video input. They have been promoting as a way to hook up your cable box to your XBOne so that you could use the Kinect to control it and quickly switch between watching TV an playing a game. There are also some interactive features (like tracking fantasy football) that they want the XBOne to be able to do while watching TV through it.
The extension of this is that yes, you can instead hook up your XB360 into the HDMI input. It probably won’t really do anything special while doing it. In essence, the XBOne is acting sort of like a single input video switch box, if that makes any sense.
Because World of Tanks costs nothing additional to play, unlike, say, Final Fantasy XI or MHFO.
waiting for the beta code, any idea when they are forth coming?
Signed up right when I saw you post this! Can’t wait to play it.. On other news CAN NOT WAIT FOR ONE WHEEEEEEW
I like to see when PS4 fans get angry because Dead Rising 3 is only on XBOX ONE, and not on PS4. They’re always saying XBOX have all stupid games; if XBOX have all stupid games then why they want one of our games then!?
I’ve always liked the Dead Rising series but this new one seems catered to the Call of Duty crowd.
Its brown and dark like every other AAA game out there. Dead Rising was always wacky and fun. They sucked the fun out of it.
Kinda of like the transformation of “The Hangover” to “The Hangover 2″
The only real exclusive that’ll I seriously be sad I missed will be D4.
But even if there are more later, I’ll just get the console when the generation is over, and then see if they really remove the DRM!
Oh and Quantum Break. Because Remedy and Sam Lake are awesome.
Sort of like how World of Tanks isn’t on PS4?
I’m really nervous for the Xbox One. I’m hearing all kinds of ‘just wrong’ rumors or are they ‘terribly bad’ facts? Rumor/Fact:
1) A forced connection to the Internet (no off-line play even for RPGs, or campaign sections of FPS games, board game simulations, etc.).
2) Can’t sell or trade titles with friends let alone rent from companies. Cant even let a friend play when visiting unless they own the title too.
3) Zero reverse compatibility (three OS but couldn’t include a fourth for reverse compatibility?)
4) Strongly recommended to have a very high Internet connection speed 100mbs+ minimum.
Please Major Nelson let the genie out of the bottle to tell us the facts about these rumors.
i thought mirosoft aleady made it very clear? read Microsoft’s Meet Xbox One page
please refer to news dot xbox dot com
1) you can only play off-line for 24 hours after that time limit is over you can’t play no games not even single player only games till you go on-line with it, so every 24 hours the console needs internet or no gaming.
2) you can only trade the game once to a friend who has been on your friends list longer then 30 days, you can’t sell on places like Ebay or gumtree/craigslist etc, so far nothing has been said on the whole rent thing but no as of now no renting system ( I believe they said or i heard they was setting a deal up for renting) with the new “family” share deal you can add up to 10 people if it be friends or family to your shared library, anyone on the list is able to play any game what is on the library BUT only one person can play these games at once (you can’t but one game and both play on two different consoles)
3) Yes the Xbox one has backwards compatible kinda, you can’t put in 360 games and hope it plays BUT you can plug the Xbox 360 into the in-going HDMI port and use the Xbox 360 through the Xbox one.
4) so far nothing has been said on what kinda speeds users will need but from my guess seeing how the Xbox one uses “cloud” it will be pulling raw data from the servers and uploading data all the time while its on so I think them running on low-end internet ie 1mbps they will lag but I could be wrong.
5) The kinect will need to be plugged into the console at ALL times even though they have said it can be paused, put on stand by and even be powered down but you can’t unplugged.
5) Xbox one will be region locked to just 21 countries at first then after 7 months more regions will be added, for anyones information you can’t import the console from a US/ER site and hope it will work as it has been said that it will work from the IP you are using, granted you could use a VPN but they are laggy as anything.
those are the facts just the cold core facts, another fact is the Xbox one could of been a epic seller in the market if all the used games, DRM and kinect was not part of the deal.
They aren’t rumors anymore. Feel free to ask me some questions about it. If you need sources, let me know.
No offline play for longer than 24 hours.
Offline play at a friends house only allowed for 1 hour.
If your internet goes down, you cannot play your games past the 24 hours.
If you get banned, you lose your library.
If Microsoft servers go down, you can’t play.
2) Kind of true. Up to publishers to allow resale.
A trading system won’t be available at launch.
Apparently there will be a sharing system with 10 family/friends. The details of this will be cleared up in the next week or so (according to Nelson)
4) Rumor. Leaning toward not true. Only true for MMO’s I believe.
Major said in an interview that if you are banned, you do not lose access to your games.
Also, the recommended connection speed is 1.5 Mbps. Note that is megabits and not megabytes.
Xbox Support says otherwise
Xbox support seems to be getting a lot of things wrong lately. also you dont need 100mbps for any game.
why are people downvoting you? it just means they are downvoting xbone because what you said is what microsoft revealed.
I have no idea.
No one’s gotten their beta code just yet. Be patient.
2) Not completely true. Google “Xbox one family share”
4) Not True
I don’t know how on earth that 4th rumour came in existence. Here are 2 facts:
- No, you don’t need a 100mbit connection. MS does require you to have a broadband connection, but speed is not an issue if yours is low. They required it because the connectivity is seamless: No dialing in.
- broadband internet is a requirement for using Xbox Live since it launched in 2002. That’s right: People are complaining about a feature that has been present already for 11 years.
Then again, this topic is about world of tanks, yet I see the same nagging and complaining from the same people as last week. Sticking around on the blog of a company I hate is what I call mental insanity.
The cloud. Any cloud game will require always on and very high speed internet to actually get stuff from the cloud.
That same cloud your 360 is saving games to/from? I think you should re-adjust your expectations about that
There’s a big difference in 4MB save games and 1GB high def texture packs for an Xbox One game using the cloud. I assume that publishers (EA) will have always online for any cloud game (ie Sim City), and if you have upto triple the power because of the cloud, that’s a lot of downloads and uploads happening all the time, slowing down loading times unless you have super-fast internet – and if you want a multiplayer game that uses the cloud, then that will affect multiplayer, unless it’s only data downloaded from the cloud when loading a level.
Either that or MS blatantly lied when talking about the power of the cloud.
The cloud will not be used for textures that will be all disc based or digitally stored on the hard drive if you purchase a digital copy of the games, the cloud will mainly be used for A.I.like we seen with forza 5 which doesnt require your internet connection as it runs on their servers whilst your not on your console or forza for that matter. No need for the insult boe2 he was just misinformed.
not only did you convince yourself that using the Azure cloud means you will be pulling gigabytes of texture data out of the cloud realtime during gameplay, you also convinced yourself that Microsoft WILL be doing this, effectively making the audience that can play this near non-existant.
I avoid attacking people personally, but you leave me little choice here:
Are you bloody stupid?
A high speed internet is not needed for the cloud, were talking kbps of data from the cloud and kbps of data upload to the cloud. Microsoft have already announced a recommended speed of 1.5mbps which is the same as the recommended speed for xbox live currently so if your on xbox live now you will be able to use the cloud on xbox one.
For an optimal experience, we recommend a broadband connection of 1.5Mbps. (For reference, the average global internet connection speed as measured recently by Akamai was 2.9 Mbps). In areas where an Ethernet connection is not available, you can connect using mobile broadband. Hope that answers your question
Please refer to http://i.imgur dot com/Ayguitt dot png to help you with family share
World of Tanks? It’s a pay-to-win game – skill plays no part, just how much real world money you are willing to put in.
Isn’t that every free to play game?
Not the good ones. Many are truly free to play, and are only pay to customise look or pay to get a few extra things that don’t make it easier to win.
yeah, the ghey ones.
Absolutely not true. For a long time I play WoT on a PC, and have never felt the problems due to the fact that not prepay gold account or buy special ammunition. It’s really a fan game, no matter you pay or not.
The only time I have spent money is to get to a higher tier tank quicker, with that being said….My skills allow me to win a good bit, as well as at least contribute, with putting no money into the game at all. Whats your WoT handle? I’ll look up your stats and see if you are just butthurt and a bad player.
For people who want to know major nelson has confirmed that xbox one games will remain playable even after the servers are shut down. The 24 hour check-in is also up to developers and publishers to decide whether they use it or not. If your account is banned from xbox live, you can still play your purchased games.
Then they should have mentioned that a long time ago. Everyone I know has already jumped ship away from the Xbox One to the PS4 because of the 24hr check in and today the one person I thought would never ditch the the Xbox preordered the PS4 and he scoffed at the new Xbox. I hope no publisher is stupid enough to enforce that. Actually Microsoft never should have even built that in. They’ve already lost so many fans…SO MANY FANS and buyers because of it. I’m at a loss for words how stupid this 24hour policy is and how much respect and future buyers of the Xbox One are gone because of it. Whoever the exec was that made the decision to do this needs to apologize and resign, that’s really the only way they can get som cred back.
Also requiring publishers and requiring developers to pay $10,000 to do updates to their games isn’t helping either when PS4 doesn’t require those things at all. That’s another good reason the PS4 is gaining a lot of strength with developers. I don’t know anymore about Microsoft in the console world, I’m pretty worried about them if they don’t change
The moral of the story is dont jump ship if your not sure its sinking, but each to their own. You getting a ps4 get a ps4, you getting an xbox one get an xbox one its all choice and thats whats great about having 2 systems to choose from, personally im a fan of both but prefer xbox.
If the ship is burning out of control, you jump.
But is it though, it seems like it is just because of the rage being portrayed in the comments section but its actually not. If you take a step back and read through interviews with major nelson and other ms representatives its nowhere near as bad as people are making out. There are just more negative comments on the internet because its just that, the internet.
Internet or not. When you take control and even just the feeling of ownership and control of your system away from the user, they are going to bite back.
I’m not being fed by any rage other than my own and what MS HAS announced. They have given the gamers (the people who pay their bills) the finger at every turn, and even been rude and disrespectful (If you don’t have internet, that’s what we have the 360 for…).
The whole control freak mentality of MS this round is mind boggling. They are setting up a system where they are in 100% control of everything we can do on the system. They are removing our choices as well as the choices of the publishers (a lot of developers are jumping ship to sony) and losing a ton of their Indie developers (See the article in Gameinformer “XBLA EXODUS” issue 242 Page16).
The mentality of MS is “Deal with it” So their employee that leaked the whole “always online” thing was right, but also showed the attitude MS has towards its customers. I’m sorry, but I just can’t support that. I am not a corporation’s sheep waiting to be led to another troff of their choosing.
The bottom line is that this system is a “GAME” system, as in expendable dollars, superfluous purchase: In other words, not necessary. So if MS wants my extra dollars, they gotta do a LOT better than this. Sony on the other hand blew me away with their E3 showing, and made it VERY clear how their systems works (they took out the guess-work and round-a-bout answers that MS gives at this time).
So no, I am not just giving in the internet propaganda, I am shunning a company that has gone anti-consumer and told me I have to just deal with it. And deal with it I will by supporting Sony in this next round.
It’s sad because I love their new controller. But, that is the ONLY thing I love about their new console. Everything else is corporate greed and control, and I will not support that.
Is this about the reddit interview? I was a bit dissapointed by the marketing gibberish at some questions.
Thing is: They have to defend themselves on multiple fronts now. If it was only the -we want to be like steam- thing (and all consequences related to it, used games and such) I think a good deal of people would be ok with it if properly reasoned. Sure, there would still be people strongly opposed, but at least you could focus an information campaign on the how and why of binding games to your account.
Instead they decided to introduce multiple controversial features at once, and I feel that the obligatory kinect is the one hurting them the most: Selling it separately would have saved them a LOT of headaches about price, privacy, clutter and awkward controls in games. If if there is 1 thing MS should change in my (ever so humble) opinion, it is this kinect requirement.
Also, if I were MS, I’d follow steam’s example more closely: Just disable the selling/trading of games alltogether, disabling the need to “phone home”, and apply Steam’s pricing strategy to keep your games more attractive than on the ps4 despite the lack of used games.
Id rather they didnt go down the steam route myself, but thats just me, i like going to a store and physically being able to look at a selection of games i also see how busy these stores are and makes me feel like my hobby is safe. when you pre order a game and waiting in line at the store you see just how big the industry is and it makes feel proud to be a gamer, i would hate to lose that.
Kind of doesn’t work. The games that will be coming out are new. On Steam, it’s the older games that get the big discounts. When games first come out, they are still expensive. So this model isn’t going to show up for quite some time, until the “first generation” titles for the system become old.
But even then, look at how Games on Demand works. There’s only been one time when they had a “big sale” on games. The rest of the time, they are still trying to get 10 to 20 more bucks than you can buy the physical copy at retail for.
None of that changes the fact that used discs cant be played on another console. Its a system wide thing each game is installed mandatorily on the hard drive. As far as the kinect thing goes, having it mandatory to always be plugged in while system is on… even if you are just watching a movie or playing a game that does not utilize the kinect is odd very very odd. The fact each publisher has a say whether or not you can sell your game to gamestop or ‘participating retailers’ is messed up. The fact you have to sell it at a microsoft approved retailer is messed up. Im sorry but I believe this new xbox will ‘tank’ =-)
The kinect being mandatory is true but pre owned games can be played on another console, if you want to lend it to a friend you just have to delete it off your hard drive, when you trade a game in the store deactivates the disc from any accounts so you cant play the installed version on your console but the person who then purchasing the game in store can play it, their not blocking pre owned games they have just come up with a system that stop someone playing the installed version when they have already traded in the game. Just to reiterate their not blocking pre owned games they are making sure the install without the need for a disc is not taken advantage of.
what he means is, it keeps people from steeling the digital copy of the game.
lol the way you say it is like they just suddenly changed their stance over night. not true. it will be WAY more difficult to do the used games things with an xbone. don’t sugar coat it.
MS has said it will play used games, period. What is so hard to understand? The ps4 can block used games sales just like the XBO, so don’t forget that. It will work the same on both systems and if one dev blocks a game, it will be blocked on both.
Again, used games will work FINE as long as the dev/pub doesn’t put any restrictions on their games. I wouldn’t worry about that for awhile anyways, but it will happen at some point.
They made it “clear” that you can give the game away or trade it once. One time only. Once it’s changed ownership, that’s it for that title. It stays where it’s at. If that has changed, then please show me where they said any different.
i think its just a miss communication between gamers and Microsoft also.they should just put out a list of questions and answer so the community is aware of whats going on because everyone is spread things the heard from someone else and word of mouth isnt gonna help them
Exactly my friend, thats why i posted the comment its clear thats why the system is in place microsoft didnt explain this properly.
I really didnt care about it but thats a big relief.
what he, beardyman, said is wrong but since you don’t care i guess it doesn’t matter.
even if that is true it makes microsoft seem like a-holes or idiots. i will be getting a “one” but it doesn’t change how dumb the whole process has been AND i am not getting it day one. i don’t want some achievement for buying a console. that is the lamest thing i have ever heard in gaming. i am over most of my frustration now. went and got a ps3 to catch up on some exclusives i have been missing. loving it. thinking about getting a wiiU now. i am not a fanboy of microsoft anymore.
I did the same thing awhile back with the ps3, but once I beat the games the system collected dust and got thrown up on ebay It happens. Enjoy the games no matter what system the are on.
where exactly does major say that the 24hr check in is up to the publishers? i haven’t heard that. lol the content lock on games it up to publishers but the 24hr check in is microsoft’s doing. if he changing it then they are backpeddling which is sad because they didn’t even have to do that.
Xbox team is forcing the 24hr check because they think it will stop piracy. But its adding extra issues, not just at a technical level but also at a content ownership level. Basically we are renting those games. Like PS+/Itunes/Steam/Music unlimited. You don’t own that content. Only difference is the price of the xbox one games will be as you are buying them yourself (not rented), Microsoft can spin any PR BS they want. At the end of the day this system they plan is a bad mistake. Sack those responsible and get a proper team to short out the issues before its too late.
I have a Segamaster system. I can still play those games to this day ;D. With Xbox one it is not certain what will happen in the future. MS will never take legality for its users on this. Because they do not know themselves.
It’s that way for EVERY digital purchase you make on the internet. I can go download an XBL game that I bought 8 years ago right now and play it. I have NEVER had one issue with any digital purchases.
Remember how most games on steam would only let you install the same game a few times before you had to call the company to get more downloads added??
Everything will work just fine, you can play the game you purchases forever and ever and ever…. etc (unless it’s an online only game and the publisher shuts its servers off, but that goes without saying).
but think of it this way the the xbox afte the xbox one will most likey come out 10-15 years from now you most likey wont be thinking about none of the games you bought for the xbox 1 so whats the problem
Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They already said that by the time the next system comes out, the XBO games will still work just fine for as long as you own the system.
There is no problem thats my point. I posted this for the people moaning saying they wont be able to play their xbox one games when the next system come along now they know they can.
i still want that 24 hour check source
Source of the 24 hour check please
It wont let me post the link even with spaces. it was on eurogamer i think the article was “you can plug an xbox 360 into the xbox one”.
Won’t let you post source, which implies you have the link right there, but then say “it was on eruogamer i think the article was…” you think? If you have it right there, spell it out like everyone else does without the dots. Like: whatever com / laughableentries html See what I did there?
i read that it wasnt it dude
i really hope your right
I no longer have the link in my browser. I did read it either on euro gamer or engadget. Sorry i couldn’t be of more help.
isnt it the same as sony now?
major said they might be flexible on the time of check ins in the future
24 hour check in and used games policy is bad. For a few reasons.
-Share with upto 10 family users (this means in your home right..once at a time..so what’s wrong with the disk?!). Why is this not use full?. Because even I would go to my friends place I would take the disk instead of downloading 10 to 20GB of data from your servers. totally pointless.
-Used games not allowed…well that means people will only buy games that get a good review score or have decent replay content. Means SW developers will shy away from your DRM platform in time. Average games will not sell well because of no resale value. Stupid idea….and will hurt the gaming industry. Whats worse is that xbox ones games should be cheaper (ala steam games) because of this resale restriction. But no, games are 69 euros at release of the xbox one…
I have been a Xbox user since the first xbox and will continue to use my XBOX 360. But I will not purchase the xbox one until the DRM is fixed, At least have a option to swap the discs to check the piracy risks. Surely this makes common sense….right?!?!
When you said up to 10 family users, That is any 10 people that can be your friends, your family technically anyone,
Used Games are supported on the Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.
Have they clarified anywhere that these 10 family members can include friends? Surely letting 1 game be useable by 10 people would be commercial suicide? I find it hard to believe that they will let 10 friends share a pool of games. That would cause much more revenue loss than the current used game model we have now.
They announced it so I doubt they wont allow it
All I have seen is them mention family NOT friends. The only time I’ve heard friends mentioned is when you want to give a game to someone who’s been on your friends list for at least 30 days.
all i know it doesnt have an on board blood testing device so i think it wont matter who its gonna be. but he or she does have to be in your region i recall.
people have family on other regions, so don think that would be fair. lets see
that 1 person at a time thing im not sure because of the bad wording
Fixed, was on my phone for that one lol.
From everything I have read it’s both, however, ONLY 1 person can play 1 the same game at a time and the original owner has full access to play it and cut you off (for obvious reasons). There is more to it than that cut I can’t remember what else went with that story lol.
It’s a great feature to have imo as I hate discs to no end.
Phil spencer or one of the other reps stated that people will get creative on forums and ask people to be “part of my family” I agree with you since then every disc has the potential to be multiplied by 10 so its lost dales for devs, it also sends mixed messages when they say that digital games will be like steam prices soon.
People cant play the same game at the same time but I read that you can +1 someone to play multiplayer at the same time, the rest of the shares are singleplayer only. Ive also seen it mentioned that because its singleplayer that makes it ok but wether it is or not, games that people predominately buy for single player cost the same as games that people only buy for the multiplayer.
Take for example something like Assassins creed, I love that series just for the singleplayer, so I could just link up with people who also like it and play every single AC game from now on without paying a penny to Ubisoft, the only people who do earn out of it is MS, Oh and DLC shares between people too.
It sounds like a great idea and I can see why a lot of people want it but I still cant accept the one for what it is because MS have lied why they introduced this DRM system, for piracy and sharing games and then bring a system that people will exploit and abuse and lose developers even more money and earn MS even more money because people will be attracted to come over from silver to gold accounts to take advantage of the sharing.
“because MS have lied why they introduced this DRM system” — what did they lie about? They have been pretty open about the way it works. Some people may have misspoken about it because they don’t fully understand it; and some policies may have changed – but I haven’t seen Microsoft lying about anything.
Before e3 they were going on about how used games and game sharing is costing the developers money and thats why must stop it with DRM, even that pastebin file from a MS engineer describes it this way. it just seems like double standards to me and is nothing about developers getting more revenue and more about Ms getting more revenue.
Except MS has already said they make no money off of it. And they are all gold accounts hold 10 members; so they are actually making less with the new system… I’m sure it was something the publishers were pushing for (EA and others) — MS went for it, Sony probably was and then backed-out at the last moment leaving MS with the gun.
Thats what i mean thou, you have to have gold to use that system so it is encouraging people who normally stay silver over to gold subscriptions, did they not also mention they are putting the gold sub prices up?
I honestly can’t see this policy lasting. If they allow this kind of feature to be abused, then why be so strict on the 24hour online checks at all? It kind of defeats the purpose of drm IMHO.
For me all they need to do is greatly increase the online check time for game licences, allow off-line play using the disk as a key for retail games and guarantee xbox one games will be supported “forever” and i’ll be on board. This for me will make the system complete for me.
so basically i can just add 10 friends from all over the world and, if done right, never pay for a game, yet play them all? sounds interesting. i would misuse than feature as much as i could
You can only give it away once. After it is “given”, “traded”, or whatever the case may be, that key is removed from that game and it is stuck with the person in possession of it. It’s not very friendly that way.
My god, how stupid are you people? THERE ARE USED GAMES ON THE XBOX ONE! MS has STATED it many, many times that you can trade in games and buy and play used games. ONLY the publishers and developers can block used games on BOTH systems (yes, the ps4 can and will block used games sales too if said pubs / devs want to block them!!!).
You can use the disc to install if you are in the same house, so, yah. The download feature is for someone not in the same location which is a great option to have.
“ONLY the publishers and developers can block used games on BOTH systems (yes, the ps4 can and will block used games sales too if said pubs / devs want to block them!!!).”
You are outright lying now or simply misinformed.”third party DRM on PS4 refers to ONLINE PASSES only” – in an article explaining what an executive from Sony said in response to the publisher question. The only option third party publishers have is to initiate an online pass, as we have had in the past with games like BF3. There will be absolutely no used game blocking on the ps4.
As far as the xbone goes though, used game blocking is built into the system, its system wide. What I mean by ‘used game blocking’ is the ability to reuse a game disc. You have to install the game directly to the hard drive. then you will not be able to take that same disc and let a friend use it later. You have to do that digitally via the family folder. I do not consider that the same and the policy on this magic share folder can change over night.
If used games (by that I mean the discs) did work, which they dont there would be the ability to rent from Redbox, and you wouldnt need to sell your games at a ‘Participating retailer’. So therefore no only can I not let a friend borrow the game disc, but I am dictating at how or where I sell the game disc. I sell mine on craigslist, somehow I think craigslist wont be a microsoft participating retailer. =-)
I’ll look for the articles I read on ign/gamespot and gameinformer stating they can block them like the Xbox. Unless it changed I haven’t seen anything about it. I remember sony said it the day after the big “reveal” at e3 and people went crazy on ign lol (I know, I know, ign…. :p)
In any form, MS said it’s up to the pub/devs on the XBO and not them, but I doubt it will get used because of backlash. I agree though, and I see why it can be an issue if it does get used. I don’t buy used games at all so it wouldn’t bother me if it gets used.
Where is the option to only show comments about the World of Tanks beta?
No kidding, the sonybots need to complain because they now have to pay for psn+ and can’t stay on their own sites. I for one have never played WoT and can’t wait to check it out.
The game sounded interesting until they said its for gold only, so I’m out(as I said with DC2, I’m not paying for gold just to get kicked seconds after entering a lobby or abandoned when the game starts). It’s a shame though, we’re in serious need of vehicle combat games these days…
Nick-most(if not all) of those ‘sonybots’ are X360 owners that don’t like how the XB1 turned out(including myself, I don’t like the mandatory Kinect, the new KI and the fact that it’s more of a cable box than a gaming console). As to why they’re posting here, I have no idea….
“I’m not paying for gold just to get kicked seconds after entering a lobby or abandoned when the game starts”
Not sure what game you are playing, but that isn’t an issue with gold – that is an issue of whom you are playing against and/or your internet connection. I play online multiplayer all the time – I might have a bad game/connection (i.e. lag) 1 out of every 100 if that.
On the PS3 I have a bad connection 1 out of every 4 games. You get what you pay for.
Have both systems, play online on both, and never had any connection problems on psn. That might have been in the past, or during the DOS aftermath. Thats just an old cliche repeated long time after the problem has been fixed
One could also say that the xbox360 has the RROD scandal looming over its head, no?
Mostly it’s because half of my tag is Japanese (Dark Makyura) and sounds like something inappropriate(dakimakura). I only paid for gold because I was enjoying online but it stopped being
enjoyable when people became ignorant…
So it’s a problem with the community and Xbox policing Live and not the Live service it self. Sounds like a petty complaint to me.
No Sonybots here mate, just disappointed Xbox fans. Also PS+ is an excellent service, i wouldn’t complain about that.
gotta agree with Jaffa.
but psn has had a great deal of problems
They have, but I’m sure they are preparing for the doubling in their numbers on the network. Would be cool to see the amount of increase they get with all this.
that would be nice but until i see the reviews of online services im staying with xbox
And until i see that the next xbox doesnt have the same RROD problems, i think its also safe to stay away from it
Same logic applied here
And here ladies and gentlemen is why I dont get consoles at launch.
Well said dude
But now itll be funded properly. If people think that the new system will have the old online servers, then i can also say that the new xbox will have the old xbox RROD problems. Both problems will be solved next gen
What is there to be so disappointed about? Honestly, please make an intelligent post pointing out exactly what is going to ruin youre day with the Xbox One?
Just the fact that you said, “What is there to be so disappointed about?” Shows that you either have an unlimited source of income, or you really don’t know, in which case, no one person’s views will show you. Do your homework, look up the info and if you can seriously tell me you have no problem with it, then great for you.
I work like everyone else. Online check will not effect me at all as I never unplug anything from the internet. In 6+ years my internet has gone out a few times for a few hours and that’s about it.
I don’t lend games out so I could care less about that. I do love how my kids can download (or use the disc to install) my games for when they aren’t with me. No lost or scratched discs is fine with me (plus I HATE physical media).
The XBO plays used games so there is no issue there. If a company blocks a game from used sales, it will be blocked on the XBO and the ps4. I don’t buy used games anyways, I just trade them in. I have plenty of games on steam which I can’t trade in either so I have been used to this for like 10 years now or however long it’s been.
What else am I missing? I honestly don’t think any of this will affect anyone the way they THINK it will. But whatever, I will enjoy it and I hope everyone else enjoys the games they buy no matter what system it’s on. I have no issues owning multiple systems, but I hate people around here and elsewhere on forums spreading misinformation because they are to lazy to learn things before they comment.
Again, enjoy, I’m sure I’ll get a ps4 down the road when they have something worth playing on it as I know they will.
Calm down, you mad Xbot damage control? You seem to be the most butthurt on this site.
Tons of exclusives, and starting next month, 2 free games a month. There have been a ton of free games given out over the years and a ton of great deals as well. GoD games for $5 around every Christmas, ect.
There has been plenty. I have never said psn+ sucks, the deals are good for sure. However the service is balls slow and always has been, but whatever.
I feel the opposite. Xbox had nothing interesting on show. Guess your opinion is just that, yours. Personally, i dont care for the kinect ot tv stuff. Dont use them, dont want them.
And about the ps4 pros, the list is endless:
+ allows full 24/7 offline gaming
+ doesnt block used games
+ 100€ cheaper (399€)
+ camera not essential/not shoved down my throat
+ no region lock for games
+ a lot smaller machine
+ harddrive freely upgradeable
+ dashboard isn’t cluttered with ads
+ self publishing for indie developers
+ free-2-play friendly (planetside 2!!!)
+ more powerful than X1 (confirmed by developers)
+ vita remote play on all games
+ PSN multiplayer is now paid via PS+, but you get free games and a much better service than on PS3
+ free-2-play games (like Planetside2) and Asynchronous Online Gameplay is free without PS+
Its just my opinion. You have yours. Oh, and go see a shrink, your clearl
hey. id just like to reply to some of your listed pros in favor of the ps4. i dont mean to discredit them or your opinion on what next generation console you’ll end up buying, i simply mean to clarify things up a bit.
-firstly, while the playstation 4 does indeed allow for a full 24/7 offline gaming experience ( or 24x60x7=10080 minutes a week), it is also known that the xbox one will allow you to play offline (on your home console, admittedly) for a period of up to 24 hours as well before needing to check in online. even if that process takes exactly one hour (i dont believe it would) you are still left with this (24x60x70=10080-420[60minutesx7days]=9660minutes a week to play offline or 161 hours or 6.7 days.
-second, while the xbox one does have measures in place to prevent second hand game sales, this is ultimately left up to the publisher to decide just how strict this will be.
Daniel – I think you’re missing the point. I don’t think people are adding up time to play vs time to “check in”. For me, I just don’t want to manually check in every day when i’m really there just to play a little off-line single player game. I’m sure the log-in and then log out procedures are quick and easy, but why do it when the PS4 has no additional procedures at all?
What are you talking about? Walk into the house, say “Xbox ON”, the system turns on instantly along with your tv. That’s it, no signing in or anything. The check system is in kb’s and will take like 1 second to do in the background lol. hell it does it while it’s in standby mode anyways.
Yah, that’s just so hard to deal with… /sigh
Again, you miss the point or have not kept up on Microsoft’s statements. The game you then try to play WILL NOT FUNCTION unless you are already on-line. That will work great for those of you who are “always-online”. Those of us who like to be occasionally off-line have been told by Microsoft to “buy the 360″. Well, I already have a 360, the best console made to date. It will sit right next to my FULLY FUNCTIONING PS4.
I’m not saying the check isn’t stupid, I don’t see why it can’t be much longer than that like everything else that does it, but it is what it is and it won’t bother most people. Trust me, I see what you are saying. I just don’t get the being offline thing, turn your profile to “offline” so no one can see you on (but yes, you are still actually online).
I mean, do you actually unplug you’re systems to go offline? I’m just wondering because of what you said. I just leave my stuff plugged in and never think about it. Again, to each his own, I respect your opinion in the matter. I just don’t see it as being a major deal once people buy it, plug it in and play it is all.
The check-in (will probably take like 1 or 2 seconds) is transparent and happens in the background – unless you are off-line for more than 24 hours you would never even know about it.
You cant compare full offline with 24h offline
And as far as kinect and tv, honnestly, i dont care about them, dont want them, dont see them as a plus
Yes, the ps4 can and WILL block used games if the dev’s want to. Guess you and everyone else missed that story huh? It has the same used games blocking system as the Xbox One. It is up to the devs/pubs to do it however (ms and sony have nothing to do with that).
I can counter all of that but I really don’t feel like it. To each his own is correct, but you are wrong about a few things. See my first paragraph. Either way, enjoy.
Actually the DRM on the PS4 will be the same as it is on the PS3 and The Xbox 360. It will be in the form of codes to enable online play, exactly as we have now.
Wrote you a reply, but its held up for moderation. I posted a link to destructoid, that said the only DRM sony is allowing is the one used on the PS3, namely Online passes. Single player gaming would not be affected.
Guess its you who missed how that story ended. Dont look so clever anymore, HUH?
Nope I posted a link in my reply. I’ll delete the link somit goes through. It just refers to a direct quote from Trenton saying what I said on another site.
Your right, everyone has their own opinions — several of your plusses for the PS4 I see as plusses for the One.
+No Disk needed in the drive
+ 10 people on gold membership
+ All 10 of those people share all their games with each other for free (no disk needed)
+Every One has a Kinect so developers will program for it
+MS quality checks games, so a lot of trash is filtered out
+Games & updates are certified by MS so they wont break the box or have malware/viruses.
+Cloud Computing makes the system 4X more powerful (cloud-AI)
+ Get your choice of 1 fee game (from a list) to keep with Gold
+ Live is a better MP platform than what the PS3 has shown – until the PS4 proves it is different the Live is still my MP platform of choice
You forgot that you can play all your games where ever you are if you sign in to Xbox Live on another console. Because it saves a copy of your game to the cloud
and Dedicated Servers etc
Sony also controls what is posted. Indies are able to self publish, but they still have to go trough quality control for bugs and tech stuff. And yes, viruses too
Kinetc i couldnt care about.
Cloud computing is also available on the ps4 with gaikai. MS didnt invent cloud computing. And that 4x more powerful with cloud is justbsomething fanboys pulled out of their backsides. Just as dumb as PS4′s GDDR5 being so amazing.
The free games are only UNTIL the x1 is released. Then the offer stops. Sorry to disapoint
Psn will now be properly funded trough paid multiplayer, so expect a much better service thiis time. Saying that itll be as limited as The one present on the PS3 is the same thing as me saying the X1 will constantly have RROD’s, because the x360 had them also
The gamesharing is nice. Dunno how many people can play the same game at the same time, though. Recon i would missuse that system though, like buy a game with 10 friends, and take turns finishing it. Dunno if the developers will like that
“Cloud computing is also available on the ps4 with gaikai.” — Gaikai is streaming, not computing. May want to look up what they are doing with Cloud Computing on the One. It is totally new for the video game arena other than a few nitch prototype games and maybe a little bit of the MMO arena. And the 4X was said by one of the MS devs.
The games don’t stop when the X1 releases — the continue for the 360 games (just as they will with PS+ giving you PS3 games, not PS4 games — neither of them have the library to give you free games every month for the new systems).
I’ll believe the PS has a better multiplayer when I see it. Just because they are being funded doesn’t mean they will do it right. MS has been running their network for over 10 years now and has a ton of servers in place that Sony is missing.
What’s the difference of buying the game digtally and sharing it with 10 friends and loaning a disk out. MP games will be playable on more than one machine, provided 1 of those machine has the owner logged in… Otherwise 1 play at a time. So yeah, pretty cool.
I’ve got both on preorder, so don’t think I am harping on the PS4 or being a MS fanboy — there are just a LOT of things I am liking about the One for what I am looking for in a system.
Sony has actually been doing R&D into this for some time and there were rumours about cloud compute on PS3 (that’s not a typo) before it launched so technically it’s not something new or exclusive to MS. However, to their credit MS has it factored into their system from the begining. This kind of standardisation is something they’ve been very good at since the launch of the 360. Sony also has access to data centres so it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that some PS4 games could make use of this tech. That being said just because it hyperthetically could be done on PS4, doesn’t mean it will.
Exactly — was never suggesting it was something exclusive to MS — just something that has never been implemented well before. They invested in 300K servers to get this up and running. Nobody other system (including the PC) will have anything close to it when the One launches.
cloud is cloud. its a bunch of servers lined up processing information. its not rocket science, and microsoft certainly is no pioneer when it comes to that stuff. the gaikai will do whaveter sony decides it wants it to do. can be streaming or other stuff, and that 4x is just fanboy fodder. they also said some empty sentences like “nasa grade tech” or other nonsense. theyre just pompous marketing sentences to feed to fanboys like you, that dont know jack about tech, yet repeat a few hollow key phrases and feel like they know it all
the 360 will continue now, as the PS2 did when the PS3 was released. after the X1 is released, ill doubt youll see core franchises released on the system, except for Dance Central, Harry Potter stuff, etc… itll be a cheap entry-level console, mainly aimed at the low budget market. <do you rwally expect Gears 4 and Halo 5 to be on the 360?
again, creating a online server network/system is not rocket science and certainly is not the exclusive domain of MS, and all comes down to the money invested. also, never said PSN would be better. if sony decides to invest the same money as the competition, dont expect to see a big difference. just that. well see… well also see if the X1 is going to RROD the whole time like the 360 (same logic applies here)
thats game sharing is so far the only good thing ive read about the X1. lets see how lenient the system will be (recon that its easy for somebody to just buy 1 copy with 10 friends, and everybody just playing that copy). if it works out, its a nice feature
i also not just bashing the X1 just because i feel like doing it. there are things about the X1 which i think will keep it from being my main console (the one ill buy the multi-plat games for). i recon that ill end up buyin gone too someday, for its exclusives, but do to the difference in game ownership, dont think ill hold onto it, like i do with the 360 and Xbox
well, i guess we agree to disagree on many aspects. have fun with the X1, GG
cant see my reply. did you receive it? anyway, not going to write that whole novel again :S
to sum it up: i guess we agree to disagree. have fun with the X1, cheers
Replied to a couple of your posts, but the replies never appeared, or were held up for moderation, for whatever reason. Anyway, not going to waste more time with the nonsense coming from you. Were discussing here if the glass if half full, or half empty. I just find it funny that you talk about cloud computing as it being rocket science only available to microsoft. Heck, any company worth its salt is investing in it, be is google, apple and sony. In the end, cloud is a bunch of servers processing stuff online. it basically does what you eant it to do, be it AI or streaming of games. theres no such thing as good cloud or bad cloud, the difference lies in the hardware investment you make and what you tell it to do. if you, with the bandwidth you have, think that the x1 is really going to make so many amazing things, youre a fool. your limited by your bandwidth, and by the fact that the x1 has, by design, to do all the major calculations offline/on your local hardware. But youre a gullible fool if your believe its going to upgrade the power of the x1 with the cloud. But then again, believe what you want, just dont be disapointed if in the end all you get is some visual flourish.
Haha, you really believe that marketing nonsense of 4x more powerful with cloud? Your that gullible? And about the cloud, well, its just a bunch of servers processing stuff that you send them, and they send it back. Its all very dependant on YOUR bandwidth, so dont expect miracles. But, lol, i feel you beleieve anything they tell you. Gaikai i just the name of sonys servers, that do whatever sony tells them to process.
Well, not going to write more. My messages have been held for moderation. We agree to disagree, so have fun. But youre up for a some disapointments, haha
Tony man Live and PSN are both the same, they both use p2p in CoD and servers in battlefield. i notice no difference at all playing on all platforms(pc included).
except the UI for friends, messages and party chat are better on xbox live.
other than that it really depends on your own connection.
I have flawless internet. However, sometimes I like to play off-line, it’s just that simple. It’s really a shame the “one” won’t be able to meet that need.
You can set it so no one messages you or anything. Is what you said actually an issue? wow…
Read all of my previous posts mate. I can’t be bothered to go through it all again. Especially to someone as condescending as you.
Theres a difference between disapointed xbox fan, and a sony bot
But i have great news for you. Stockholm syndrome can be cured. Your in need of it
I made the jump and now waiting for my Beta Token along with directions on how to download and play the game.
so now i have to rely on reviews to decide if i want to buy a game or not, before i would rent them from the library and decide if i want to buy it.
Turds such as Man Vs Wild (gamespot 6.1 user), CSI (5.5) Rayman Raving Rabbids (7.1) would have no way of being weeded out. RRR is the worst game I have ever played in my life.
It has its plus sides and its negative sides
You’re half right on that. And it’s not the plus side.
The plus is that bad games dont get played that often.
Negative is they are the main source of innovation.
I can understand the logic (sort of) but the consumer decides how good a game is by the amount it sells. Word of mouth is better than any score can be. If the game sucks, you usually see a lot of copies on the used shelf for cheap, if it’s good, fewer used games and they are more expensive. The market balances itself out and shows makers where to innovate and improve.
There’s nothing wrong with the system as it stands, other than greed. If they want less used games sold, then make better games. Make the replay value better, make the game (in my opinion, the biggest one) have an incredible co-op mode. Instead we just get cookie-cutter games that pretty much stink, with the occasional twist that makes it replayable more than once.
The route to go is improvement in the game making, not in cutting back the retail or consumer options. That’s like the government raising taxes instead of getting rid of bogus spending.
Bottom line, MS needs to butt out of it, and game makers need to make their games a little better.
Or, before making a statement like this you could wait and see what they are going to do with rentals as they have said “We are still looking into it”
And, even better, once they announce how the rentals are going to work you can post on that article instead of one that isn’t even related to the XO.
You might like or dislike the X1, but one thing we can agree upon, and that is that MS’s communication has been pretty bad. In order to appease some of the criticism, Microsoft has to explain 2 thing:
1) how long they plan to have the X1 authentication servers up and running. 10 years? 20 years? forever? 15 years from now, after the X2 has already been released, they might turn off the servers, and then what? We’re left with a doorstop and games that we “rented”, instead of “owned”? They could at least give us the guarantee that, if they ever did turn off the servers, they would release a update that removed these mandatory logins;
2) does MS plan to introduce frequent generous “Xbox Live Marketplace” sales? If it is making us jump trough hoops with mandatory logins, and prevents us to freely trade/sell our games, then in return i expect regular & generous sales. having stoped piracy and used games, theres no more cash going to the developers now. personally, i don care for Kinect (had it, was fun for a day, gave it to my little cousin), and don’t care about TV, so personally i don’t see them as benefits (to me). Sales are (to me).
Now, keep in mind, thats only my opinion. You might have another. C’est la vie. But the people that might agree with me would certainly like to see those 2 questions answered.
For #1. Phil Harrison already said in an interview that you will ALWAYS be able to play your X1 games even after the X2 is out. The games will always work with that system.
For #2, MS always has sales on XBL and starting next month you will get one free game per month with gold. You can trade games in and play used games just like you can now. The only difference being if there is a day that a pub/dev decides to enable restrictions for their game(s) then you cant. But that being said, sony has the exact same feature on the ps4.
So say if EA (THIS IS AN EXAMPLE) decides to block Madden 25 from the used game market, you won’t be able to trade it in or buy it and have it work for EITHER system. It is fully up to the dev/pub, NOT MS or sony.
1) “always”, is always until they decide otherwise. i need an assurance that the servers will always be online, forever. or i need a guarantee that, might MS go belly up, they at least remove the mandatory logins with a system update. personally, i wont commit to a system that at any time can be rendered useless. thats what i think
2) the current xbla sales arent enough. i need steam like sales. Activision, Take2, Bethesda are all on board during Valve’s sales. EA is regularly having sales over at Origin. I want to be compensated for the loss of offline play and used games.
there wont be an X2, after X1′s flop, xbox will be discontinued like every other microsoft product that flops.
you must be able to see the future eh?
no windows 9 eh?
Windows has a dominant market share, they can afford to have a flop here and there, but the gaming market is tight. i bet they get outlsold 3 or 4 to 1,
The Xbox One is sold out just like the PS4 so I wouldn’t worry about it not doing well. Not everyone that plans on buying the system is preordering it.
that might be the case, or not. im certainly not going to commit to a 500$ machine, and +1000$ in games on the simple assumption that MS will keep the servers forever online. Assumptions are not enough. If all we have is an assumption and a vague assurance spoken during an interview, the majority will play it safe and invest their money somewhere else.
I want assurance that the world wont explode in the future. They said they will work so take it at that. Sony can go belly up and nothing will work on their systems either, sh*t happens and who knows what the future holds my man.
Funny how you saying those devices are bombing, but in actuality they are doing very well. Obviously they have a ways to go to catch up for sure which sucks as they are better an the other two os’s hands down. MS isn’t going anywhere, they have a lot more going on that many know (as does every monster company).
If you don’t like the current sales, oh well. It is what it is. They will be getting better soon so if you don’t like it, move on to something else then as I don’t know what to tell you.
Nick – you bring up some valid points, however you responses are very “Orthy” in nature – hoping the world won’t explode, your “wow” comment below, et. You assume that everyone utilizes their gaming console exactly like you do, and only your way is the right way. The gaming community is not homogenous, they are actually quite diverse. Unfortunately, many of Microsofts comments of late have been much like yours- insulting and trite quips – that are pissing off the gaming community in droves.
That’s just bad business.
-Yet another long-time Xbox fan moving to PS4 this year
I agree with the first part of what you say – but I don’t think I have seen anything from MS being insulting or trite.
They have stuck by their plan for the 24-hour DRM (which has a lot of plusses with it) and been very upfront about what is required and the direction they want to go in with the One.
They have stuck to their guns, but never been trite or insulting that I can think of… Well, except that one guy that lost his job for his twitter comment, but that doesn’t count.
how is DRM a plus in any fashion? i bought the software, i own it.
Every pc game made has drm built in. Mobile apps and games have their own versions of drm. Everything digital has drm attached to it one way or another. Content providers will not lease their products to someone with out it as it for protection. Just saying.
Needing a disk in the drive is a type of DRM… For me Online Checking DRM is better than a Disk in the Drive. Plus being able to share my games with the 10 people on my Family account is big plus. My Sister can borrow a game any time I am not playing it… Same thing with me for her games. My kids can barrow my games and I don’t have to worry about them scratching the disk or losing it.
I don’t assume everyone uses things the exact way I do as I know not everyone will. But it’s more of a “how else do you use it that this is a problem” type of thing. Honestly, if you leave everything at home and play it, why is it an issue? If you travel and get internet via a mobile hotspot, leech it or use wifi from a hotel, what is the issue? Just as examples is all.
Sorry if I came off as “im better or use it my way”, as I’m just sick of people still complaining about things that have been answered by MS already. I love making quips to people that make very stupid comments, and if I make some and someone quips back, that’s fine too. It’s mostly done in good fun and I will never say one system is better than the other as they are all great imo.
I just hate the one sided people that rip on something with the wrong info so I’ll back it up. I have always enjoyed owning multiple systems and have NO issues with how MS is doing anything with the XBO. I do agree that MS wasn’t all that smart in how they brought the info out, they should have just said it all after the reveal and been done with it then. But oh well, what can you do?
Also, nice comment by the way.
I doubt he is normal consumer, like you and me. That kind of anti-consumer stance is the same attitude some developers, posting over here days ago, had. Basically, we the consumer should not complain about anything proposed, that we dont have any rights to protect our investment, and that we should get lost if we didn’t agree with the proposed deal. Basically, big business is right, the people are dumb and dont know what they need, and their plan beyond amazing.
If he is indeed a costumer, a normal player, then im completely disgusted with the level of blind loyalty devoted to a company, and to anything it does, forgetting at the same time the basic rights a costumer should have, like the protection of his investment. This has nothing to do with the Sony vs Ms debate.
The logic thing to expect is for the servers to be forever online. But, for whatever reason, they might be pulled in the future, so at least i need to be assured that they would remove the mandatory logins with an update. Its just the reasonable thing to expect, if you spend 500$ on a console, and +1000$ on games. I actually think its sad that costumers like you are so irresponsible, that they dont need to protect their investment. If by any chance the servers were pulled, you would end up with a doorstop, youre aware of that, right? Even 40 years from now, i want my console to work. I did not “rent” the system, i bought it. I demand that my console will always work. Dind it really sad
And no, surface and winphone are selling much less than ios and android devices. Dont lie or twist the truth, just to make a point. Theyre sales are parhetic, if compared to the other 2 systems. And with more people buying a tablet instead of a traditional pc, MS is losing marketshare and importance in the tech market. Its irrelevant if you like that or not, its a fact, a d a lot of articles have been written about this failure.
Perosnally, i think you should be ashamed of your attitude. So much loyalty and eagerness to accept anything MS throws at you, without actually caring about your investment, is sad.
And dont be so arrogant to think that i care what you have to tell me, or that you think i should go away if i dont agree with what im offered. Im here because i would like to see MS change their policies for the better. Im as much a xbox costumer as you are, and to be one you dont need to be a brainless fanboy that eats up everything.
Wow learn to read. I didn’t say they were better but they are gaining market share which means they are doing good but have a ways to go obviously lol. Nice try though.
Youre the one who has to learn to read. I never said you said they were better.dont think we ever talked about quality. You clealry said they were doing well and gaining marketshare, and i replied that no, theyre not doing that well, and they sell much less than android and ios. I should know, i deal with smartphone and tablet sales every day. Unless they manage to incease sales, they will always be a niche platform, which doesnt look like its going to happen anytime soon.
Yes, MS started way late in the game so of course they are way behind and will continue to be for a long while. I deal with Verizon all of the time for work and they have told me they have seen a huge jump in Win8 devices. I have the Lumia 928 and the Surface pro and love them, the build quality is fantastic on both devices. but that’s just me and what I prefer.
Also, my last reply got cut off for some reason and all I wanted t add is that I’m not throwing my money blindly at MS. I have stated 1000x that the policies they have with the Xbox One
MS is gaining ground on the phone and tablet market — so check your facts please.
Also, we don’t know that MS wont be doing huge sales like Steam does. That may be something they are planning on after the system has been out for 6 months. You can’t start doing sales until you have some games that have been on the market for awhile to put on sale. They can’t tell you that yet because they don’t have a specific date in mind (maybe E3 next year; with the big summer sales starting the same day?). Also, if you tell people things are going to go on-sale then they are less likely to buy them now, and will wait.
I have a feeling that buy this time next year most of the people that are against the One now will be on board and excited about how the system is working.
I work at a retailer, and the surface and winphones sell a lot less than ios and android. Those are my facts. You should better double check yours. Of course it has its marketshare, but its way bellow the others, its around 1/10th afaik
Just because something that is new to the market is being outsold but the others doesn’t mean it is losing or isn’t gaining. Android took quite awhile before there were more of those devices being sold than iOS. It took a long time for Apple to even be something that you saw in peoples homes after Microsoft released 95.
If the ratio right now is apple/android/ms at let’s say 50:40:10 and next month it’s 49:39:12 then MS is gaining even though both the other guys are winning. In 2 years it could be 33:33:34…
Just because you work at a retailer doesn’t mean you know what you are talking about – in fact you should probably graduate from high-school and take some marketing classes before you jump on here and act like you know what you are talking about.
would it be the X2 or would it be the Xbox One Two?
LOL… that I do not know :p
Xbox 2.0 im just brainstorming here but it does sound kinda cool.
Two and a Half?
What a great comment Paul very thoughtful, some good news for you for question number one major nelson has confirmed you can play your xbox one even after the servers are shut down which he said will be a long time, whether another ms representative come out and says otherwise is a different story but atleast there is some hope for that particular question.
The games at the store need to be clearly marked that you are allowed to sell them or trade them in.. It needs to be noted. Second thing is that if we come across a developer who doesnt support used games. We all need to stand up and not purchase their game at LAUNCh. This is critical and they then can contact Microsoft to remove the restrictions. I will not buy this console and in the future things may change but its unlikely at this time. The Arcade games or games you download on your 360 will not make the transition to XBOX 1 so you need to keep your 360 for a few more years. Even for offline fun when your internet crashes or hackers get in to their servers.
Im not saying we should boycott anybody. All i expect is that every piece of software has all its usage restrictions clearly stated on the packaging. The costumer has the right to make an informed decision. Hope that the x1 box has all the limitations clearly written on it. The consumer then votes with his wallet
ikari_paul – Great point, paul. But I’m still hopeful that Microsoft will make everything “right”.
I play on-line, and sometimes I play off-line. I need both. I surely wish the Xbox One could have provided this.
On a separate note, I like Larry Hyrb and think he is a trustful, stand-up guy. How cool would it be if he moved over to the PS4 like so many of us?
Even better….if he moved to steam!!
I hope that Microsoft is giving people who preorder for the day one Xbox one will get something for being the first to order them sweeten up the pot Microsoft . I had every xbox ever made besides the newest 360 I would of order that one but Xbox one was more of option for . So look out for Microsoft .
Xbox is numbber 1
Not at Amazon.
http://www amazon com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames/ref=sv_vg_11
http://uk. gamespot. com/twitter-battle/xbox-vs-ps4/
Titanfall for PC!! All the way!
i just went to gamestop this morning to preorder the xbox one, the guy told me he had a few on hand but then wasnt able to sell it to me… he claimed it was cut from the list? what is this about?
i then called another gamestop and this guy tells me that they are out of the system…. did xbox stop the limited edition or something?
Drop the required check-in and provide a demo for each game so we know what we get when we buy the game. Kill the check-in and all my PS reserves comes to the X1. I’m begging. The demo’s would just be a perk for me.
i feel like im the only person in the world tht knows about gamestop stopping there xboxone preorders!
Mine still has some.
I went to 3 different Gamestops and they all ran out of Xbox One pre-orders… Very suspicious since they all responded with “we still have PS4 pre-orders available.”
Gamestop is fighting back.
Not really. It’s the other way in my area.
… it’s nice when you can read what you like into a situation. Gamestop doesn’t have any XBO preorders left because they’re already filled. People went out the same day as the conference and reserved them.
Is that why Xbox One has less pre-orders than PS4? Because right after E3 Xbox One was only up by 2.3%. PS4 now has a 2 to 1 pre-order ratio over Xbox One.
It’s in Game-stop’s best interest to sell more PS4s. People also went to GS and pre-ordered PS4s after the conference… I live in Miami–nothing like this ever runs out. PS4s aren’t running out, it just so happened that Xbox Ones are out.
btw: BestBuy hasn’t ran out of Xbox One or PS4.
just Gamestop who’s shares happened to go down in fear of an all digital and restricted rental policies from the Xbox One.
The Xbox One Day One edition were limited. The regular editions will be up soon, if they aren’t already. PS4 has no limited edition.
No it doesn’t. But many bundles. All on bestsellers on Amazon. Not a single Xbox One game has popped onto the top 20 bestsellers.
Watchdogs (PS4) is number 13. On Xbox One it is number 99!
Not saying anybody has won or anything, but looking at the numbers…it certainly tells a story.
That wasn’t the point of discussion.
Mmmm yes I suppose you are right. Sorry about that.
I don’t live in Miami, and things run out here all the time. Consoles, LE games, WOW expansions…
Can you please tell someone in the Xbox team that the Xbox One console should come with a headset. I’ve been reading that it might not be included.
According to the specs, it isn’t.
I’m guessing it has to do with their partnership with Turtle Beach.
Frankly I think that’s a dumb idea. One of the reasons the Xbox 360 community was much better than PS3′s, was because everyone had a microphone!
The PS4 comes with a mic. Did Sony and Microsoft switch places!?
During the new Microphone announcement (which will be sold serparately, Don Mattrick defended the price point.
“We’re over-delivering value against other choices I think consumers can get,” Mattrick claims. “Any modern product these days you look at it … $499 isn’t a ridiculous price point. We’re delivering thousands of dollars of value to people, so I think they’re going to love it when they use it.”
Ohh this Don guy… I gotta give it to him, he’s not afraid to take risks for the Xbox brand.
DRM, Rentals, 24hour checks, no mic, and who knows what else. At this rate, we better make sure they include the HDMI cable, the batteries for the controller, and the warranty.
Dons “everything is fine” jedi mind tricks aren’t working!
Actually, that’s not true. Not everyone uses a headset. In fact, in a public match on a game like Halo or Call of Duty, I’d estimate the mic usage at 30%. Of that 30%, I’d say more than half are in Party chat. Overall, I’d put the odds of finding a teammate in those games worth talking to at under 10%.
Not only do most people NOT use mics, the majority of those who DO use a mic publicly are annoying children who just discovered curse words or stoners who act like children.
You were not there at the beginning of the generation.
I was. Most people DID. Party chat changed that.
Also go to PSN and listen to the difference.
It is a complete dead-zone talk wise.
And when they are they are using Bluetooth headsets that cost £5. you may aswell be farting down the mic, you cant tell the difference from speech.
Oh, I wasn’t around at the beginning of the generation? I must have fantasized that fact that I got Xbox LIVE (and a headset) over 10 years ago, and haven’t had my subscription canceled in that whole time. I must have made up the reality that I got my 360 in January of 2006, and have played shooters basically nonstop on Xbox LIVE since the first Unreal Championship in 2003.
If you have ever had someone using their kinect as a microphone, you would know how annoying it is. First of all, everyone is getting a Kinect. The Kinect can’t distinguish your voice from anybody else’s voice. This also means your speakers will blast all your friends profanity in your room/living room [I don't really care since I'll just buy a mic]. What bothers me is the people using it as a microphone.
Yeah, I’ve experienced that, and it sucks. It sounds like the person is talking from down a hallway, and all of the gunfire from the game is fed from the TV into the mic.
Regardless, what did that reply have to do with my comment?
It’s because the Kinect comes with a multi-array mic already.
The PSEye has been pulled from the PS4 at the last minute to undercut MS in price (it was in every development kit).
I have a quick question about the Xbox One digital sharing (family)…
If I borrow a friend’s game digitally, can I still get all the achievements or is that going to be locked to the original purchaser?
My understanding would be that, if you are using a game from a ‘Family’ Library, that this is the same as if you had received the 360 disc yourself. You can earn achievements, buy DLC for it, and play it as if you had the Disc.
Obviously, if your friend (oops, family member) wants to play the game at the same time, only one of you will be able to (same as if he asked for the 360 Disc back for a night to play the game again).
For the hacker friendly? oh so I can use a Jtag or jailbroken ps3 on it? how kind!
You can Probably plug anything in to the HDMI In so if you wanted to you can have a Wii U, PS4, Xbox 360 and PC connected to it
It is just an HDMI pass-through, so instead of switching the input on your tv, you display it through your xbox. nothing fancy there. Anything that outputs video through hdmi could be hooked up theoretically, so you could hook up a PS4 technically. nothing to get too excited about, besides then you wouldn’t have your tv hooked up and wouldn’t be able to watch the price is right on you xbox. (btw I’m going to get both systems, eventually. starting out with PS4 and then seeing what happens with the x1, very dissappointed that MS is giving the finger to our men and women in uniform who don’t have easy access to internet)
I know this horse has been beat to death, but I just want to let my voice be known:
I’m not normally one to post on comment boards, but MS is seriously misjudging their user base. You are trying to create a solution to a problem we don’t have and don’t care about. My biggest problem is that the Xbox One is insulting our military (I’m from the U.S.) by disabling play without the 24 hr check-in. You should allow disk based games to continue as previous generations, sure in 5 years or so maybe you can ween everyone off of disk based and move to digital downloads completely, maybe even push people towards them with better pricing for downloadable versions. You are moving way to fast and disrespecting our loyal men and women in uniform with your policy. I’ve been with xbox since November 15, 2001, bought my 360 at launch and have enjoyed supporting an american born company. You have lost me for now, I’m going with PS4 until I see a viable solution presented for our military men and women. “Just buy a 360″ is not a solution, it is an insult. Gamertag: Bizarr0 J
I just want to point out that hackers will get around this with no problem.
Everyone with no internet will just have to buy some hardware to spoof a verification signal. [whom ever come up with this first will make a profit--and show that the servers are not doing any type of computation (like they showed with SimCity 3) ], Or do what you’re doing and buy a PS4.
That well may happen, but it doesn’t change my stance. My issue is that this shouldn’t even be a problem for our military to begin with, they shouldn’t have to wait for hackers to fix it, MS needs to fix it.
You’re right, and not just for the military–millions of people with no internet world wide. But history tells us Microsoft is hardheaded. For example; windows 8 launches with not Start button. How hard is it to code a start button…Start8 did it.
Right now it looks like Xbox and Mr. Don Mattrick are relying a bit too much on the Xbox Live brand. Maybe when the pre-orders for PS4 have a 10-1 ration over Xbox Ones, they will start taking us forum-people seriously. They see us as a minority with little affect on what the general public is thinking. But we have a multiplier effect
btw thanks for serving
I hope you guys do realise that MS said that they were going to have exceptions for military personnel and other people that don’t have internet connection. Yet to see this fully explained though.
Please post the link with the source that is saying this, all I’ve seen is Don Mattrick (sp?) telling people without internet to stick with the 360. So until I see an official announcement I’m sticking with my decision.
Its true that they said they were “exploring” options or whatever.
Basically made no-guarantees, so definitely won’t be available at launch.
Discs might have special exemption codes I’m guessing.
Mattrick made a joke about people being on a nuclear submarine not having internet, very mature.
Too much hassle when the competitor imposes no such restrictions.
Microsoft has alienated too many groups. Child’s Play, military, most countries, consumers, and developers (no self-publishing, forced DRM).
What I don’t get is how Sony people have been quiet about how PS4 is adopting the old DRM approach of online passes and locked content on used games. Is this still tolerable considering EA abandoned this on the 360?
That’s up to the publishers.
EA abandoned it on all consoles (for good).
I’d say it is tolerable at this point, because the locked content is generally not that important, or multiplayer modes.
Sony people basically have said that PS4 has the same DRM sceme as the 360/PS3. So basically none.
Sony’s inaction, is the first consumer-positive thing in this industry in a long while.
That’s a sad thing. But still, makes me very happy.
I read a comment somewhere that Major Nelson has already forwarded such a request to the technical staff.
Most likely a disc verification will occur for disc installed games.
The licensing system will not be changed though (it’s something many in the industry stand behind, including Cliff Bleszinski) and the military will probably have to tie their games to their accounts before shipping out and disable any family sharing (splitscreen and LAN will probably still work though) to make everything work for longer offline periods.
Don’t you mean only Cliff Bleszinski?
2K doesn’t think it is the right way to go.
Activision isn’t behind it.
EA backpedaled and said they didn’t push for it.
Avalanche games doesn’t think it is the way to go either.
One of the most anti-DRM company’s, CD Project Red also basically said “Don’t blame us! We don’t like it either, nothing we can do!”
What’s funny is CD Project Red won’t even be able to have their own people play their game since Xbox One isn’t launching in Poland.
Xbox One’s DRM and region locking is to blame.
Almost nobody is publicly backing their DRM scheme.
Nobody else publicly no, but behind closed doors we all know they want it. They want the legitimate 1 license per customer and they are backpedaling or afraid because of the backlash and not having the same PR at E3, nothing more.
Windows Azure (the fastest expanding cloud foundation the new Xbox Live is built upon and the current one isn’t) is only available in 26 countries (where the datacenters and nodes are) at the moment, that’s why it isn’t in Poland.
Shipping containers with servers will very probably be placed there soon enough.
Time will tell.
Yes, men should get paid to play videogames in the desert!
Seriously, they are basically on a paid holiday, harassing local folks. Not much to “respect” there.
There is a way for the us military and the rest – just get the console banned in live and no need for online checks anymore but still able to play games
Is it not smart
Thank you MS for listening to your customers! I will now be purchasing an Xbox One at launch. I appreciate that you had the guts to withdraw your policy and listen to your fans. Thank you.
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I’m pretty fond of the original Xbox.
Ads for World of Tanks made YouTube videos go off-center for ages and I still haven’t forgiven them for that so screw them.
Don’t expect too much from it.
What would be really nice is that you would be able to control your 360 with the One Controller and that you would share the same online status on both consoles if you were to hook up your 360, but good ideas haven’t been their strongest point lately.
well said, the 24 hour check doesn’t effect me in the slightest.
but it would my 7 year old nephew who is mad into Halo. he grew up watching us playing halo3.
as a gamer what MS are trying to do is wrong, it should have more options, a simple disc in tray when offline and a kinectless console would fix all this.
as it is im going to hold off until at least the 2nd or 3rd xbox one model is released cheap.
I don’t dispute that Microsoft is making the 24hr check-in as easy as they can. The point remains, why use my phone, or any other method, to “check in” if I don’t need to on “the other” console? Sorry, I just don’t see the added value of the DRM.
- Long-time Xbox 360 fan
That’s one expensive microphone that’s for sure.
Hopefully it sounds better than Kinect 1.0 which the sounds varied from robot to….robot.
All they need to do is give me the ability to play offline once I have authenticated my games and I’m in.
YOU ARE TOO LATE. THEY CHANGED IT.
Major Nelson, useful information to include in this post would be that its for US and Canada only.