June 19th 2013 1:54 pm PT

Your Feedback Matters – Update on Xbox One

Don Mattrick, President of the Interactive Entertainment Business at Microsoft, has made a blog post with an update on Xbox One.

Here is an excerpt from his post:

…today I am announcing the following changes to Xbox One and how you can play, share, lend, and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. Here is what that means:

· An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games – After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.

· Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today – There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.

I encourage you to read the entire post for additional details and how Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console — there will be no regional restrictions.

Thank you for your continued support of Xbox.

Update: Here is the full text of the post:

 

Last week at E3, the excitement, creativity and future of our industry was on display for a global audience.
For us, the future comes in the form of Xbox One, a system designed to be the best place to play games this year and for many years to come. As is our heritage with Xbox, we designed a system that could take full advantage of advances in technology in order to deliver a breakthrough in game play and entertainment. We imagined a new set of benefits such as easier roaming, family sharing, and new ways to try and buy games. We believe in the benefits of a connected, digital future. 
Since unveiling our plans for Xbox One, my team and I have heard directly from many of you, read your comments and listened to your feedback. I would like to take the opportunity today to thank you for your assistance in helping us to reshape the future of Xbox One. 
You told us how much you loved the flexibility you have today with games delivered on disc. The ability to lend, share, and resell these games at your discretion is of incredible importance to you. Also important to you is the freedom to play offline, for any length of time, anywhere in the world.
So, today I am announcing the following changes to Xbox One and how you can play, share, lend, and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. Here is what that means:

  • An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games – After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.
  • Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today – There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.

In addition to buying a disc from a retailer, you can also download games from Xbox Live on day of release. If you choose to download your games, you will be able to play them offline just like you do today. Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console — there will be no regional restrictions.

These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.

We appreciate your passion, support and willingness to challenge the assumptions of digital licensing and connectivity. While we believe that the majority of people will play games online and access the cloud for both games and entertainment, we will give consumers the choice of both physical and digital content. We have listened and we have heard loud and clear from your feedback that you want the best of both worlds.

Thank you again for your candid feedback. Our team remains committed to listening, taking feedback and delivering a great product for you later this year.

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Xbox One By Larry Hryb, Xbox LIVE's Major Nelson

  • Brady Nickell

    Does the xbox one have an optical input on the back? Wanting to see if my headset will work

    • Shane Nokes

      Output you mean? Yes.

      • Brady Nickell

        Yes my bad

        • Shane Nokes

          No problem. :)

    • PSN_IS_GARBAGE

      Yes it does but your voice chat isn’t going to work with an existing 360 headset. You can still plug in the headset to the toslink/optical out and use it for watching movies and listening to music though.

      • Brady Nickell

        I should get game sound right?

        • PSN_IS_GARBAGE

          Yes you’ll get all the audio of whatever console or settop box you connect to the optical output on the back of the One. You just can’t use voice chat over XBL unless they release an adapter, or you buy a new headset that is compatible with it.

  • XboxGuy

    now if they would only revoke the kinect requirement.

    • Kreten

      You affraid of future inovative things? Paranoid are we? You raping lil kids in your living room making bombs or making crack that ur so paranoid? Pc games should get rid of the mouse as you can do everything with keyboard? Even tho its easier with mouse?

  • slider2nl

    Digital and physical games are good, because both forms will be out the same day when they come out, me as a user didnt like some parts of the old policy and i like
    some of the new, microsoft should take notice about what we do want and what we liked about these policies and features, and mixed it up and publish a hole new
    policy..

    This way they give both parties what they want, as example make the 24 hour check a option in the settings if you want to share all your downloaded games turn it on all the licenses will transferd to the cloud. If you turn it off all the licenses will be removed.

    If both games come out:
    People can choose if they want to download it or get it on a disc. If you buy
    it on disk! To bad no family sharing. But if you download the game it will be
    shared if you have turned on the 24 hour check. Again when you turn it off all
    licenses will be removed from the cloud.

    Example:

    Got to settings and choose:
    xbox online check. choose enable or disable

    supporting text:

    if you enable the 24 hour check you can share your digital (and installed disc games if supported) with up to 10 family member and take your games where ever you go.

    If disabled your digital and installed games wil not be shared with your family members and cant be used over the cloud services also this is giving you the option to play offline

    • Jeremy Trifilo

      I was thinking about it and there is some significant concerns with the sharing. Since it’s “instant” you could do the following tactics. At first it didn’t really mean much to me since you can do that with discs anyways, but no where near as fast and very few would even bother unless they live directly next to each other.

      Is that let’s say I have 9 friends + me. 5 of us buy Call of Duty: Ghosts the other 5 buy Dead Rising 3. Since only one friend can access your library we perform a buddy system. You basically make the friend you rarely play with your buddy. Then how it works is each group of 5 takes turns access the “buddies” library to gain access to the other groups game. So now we only need to purchase 10 licenses rather than 20 licenses. Since it’s instant switching we can at any time switch between games without having to meet up and trade discs.

      Although you can still take your games everywhere you go, but only your profile can access them. Also it would seem anyone in our home can use Xbox Live and Access our games on our primary consoles which is still nice!

    • Kreten

      Yea I like the idea but theres a prob. That way you could have 20+ people playing game that developers only got paid once for. (10 family members then selling and other persons 10) i wouldn’t mind if sharing was enabled for downloaded games and since both the disc and digital copies are 60$ and you can only sell disc version then this cloud sharing advantage should be given to digital copies to make them equaly valuable

  • DrToker

    Will the new policies change Xbox Live? We were promised dedicated servers for all games, but now that the console is no longer restricted to the initial 21 countries, are we gonna get fu**ed on this promise? I’m starting to see an avalance of problems…

    • Dylan

      No, the cloud had almost nothing to do with the DRM.

      You’ll still get these things.
      Just not game sharing.

      • Kreten

        They said games will still support cloud and be enhanced with it it just won’t be required but how much advantage it has is that you will actually end up being connected. And game dev can still make games internet only as in past

        • Dylan

          Yeah basically.

          The DRM had nothing to do with Cloud gaming.

          • Kreten

            O yea? So how would you work it out? Sharing game on my cloud even If i didnt own it anymore? Drm had everything to do with family sharing (cloud sharing)

          • Dylan

            Cloud processing was not the reason for DRM. You said it yourself.

            The DRM was planned from the beginning, the cloud sharing was a cookie.

            It should be that in order to get game sharing, we use the DRM. but that’s not what happened, they enforced the DRM on every game.

            If they truly were implimenting sharing and the ONLY reason for the DRM was for that, then it would still be there as an option.

            They wanted to get away with the DRM so they could control everything. So out of spite they removed the sharing as well, when they could easily have both.

          • Kreten

            Because they were going to make every game only a license (game disc only like a cd key that you can’t play off of) but yes cloud computing will still be around but not 100% required where devs can actually make it a requirement.

          • Dylan

            It wasn’t 100% required before either. Otherwise the console would have been always-online.

          • Kreten

            Well in order to share your disc based game with 10 ppl it was required. And they tried to make it having disc or digital copy as equal as if both were only downloaded

    • Shane Nokes

      The policies were related to DRM.

      Regardless of the conspiracy theories the servers weren’t just there for DRM…no matter what folks will try to tell you.

      • DrToker

        You did not think that answer through. If MS planned to roll out in 21 countries, they also knew where their servers would be. Also, your definition of DRM seems to be retar***. We still have DRM, the new DRM that everyone loves so much is the good old disc-DRM. Verify by disc or you can’t play mr Past.

        • Shane Nokes

          I was referring to the specific DRM implementations that were affected by regional and local laws.

          I understand DRM far better than you realize…but if you want to be a jerk about it and say my definition is retarded, then that’s cool.

          I was just trying to answer you while at the same time warning you to stay away from the conspiracy theorists who will try to warn you constantly about the threat of spies in your home.

          • DrToker

            Why are you talking to me about conspiracy theories? The polices were built on DRM of the future and the lovers of the past f*cked us with their disc-DRM.

          • Shane Nokes

            Dude. I wanted the new features too. I’m on your side there.

            I was warning you against the folks who didn’t want the new features and justify it with paranoia.

            Read some more posts here…you’ll find conspiracy theories everywhere. I was trying to give you a friendly heads up, but you keep being really snappy at me when I’m on your side.

            /Facepalm

          • DrToker

            Ok, I’m sorry if I misinterpreted you. Then back to my initial question. I see a problem with the dedicated servers, and this needs to be addressed.

          • Shane Nokes

            Nothing has changed in regards to dedicated servers last I heard. :)

          • DrToker

            Everything has changed, and that is why I raised my concern.

          • Kreten

            They could of made it that people who download games need to connect every 24hr and keep family share option for those instances. Anyone who has internet to download game has internet to check in once in a while

          • Shane Nokes

            A lot has changed yes. I was saying in regards to the plan for dedicated servers that nothing has changed.

      • Steve

        Shane, I just looked at your LinkedIn profile and see that the last time you worked for Microsoft was last year analyzing customer satisfaction information related to Xbox customers. So were you part of the focus group that actually thought all this DRM was a good idea?

        • Dylan

          I saw that as well last week but decided not to use that card yet

          • Xbox360FtW

            i knew he sounded arrogant, telling everyone who did not want kinect they were nuts an paranoid, but this? good lord man. where is your brain? u helped do all of this drm stuff?

          • Shane Nokes

            Jumping to conclusions before someone can answer? That already confirms what I was saying to you before.

          • Xbox360FtW

            actually it doesn’t :) but who cares dude? no one can trust anything you say now an why fight? it’s the net dude, everyone has a different opinion. it’s really not worth getting mad over

          • Shane Nokes

            /Facepalm

            Whatever…go wear your tin-foil. If I were trying to hide I wouldn’t have posted my own LinkedIn here for people to find.

            Duh…

          • Kreten

            Well i agree that people fussing about kinect are paranoid and don’t see advantages. Just go ahead and try NFS most wanted 2012 and you’ll see how kinect could make life easier if you use it. And I’m just a quality eng. for medical equipment and hardcore gamer played 251 games

          • Shane Nokes

            Can’t use it as a card. I outed myself at the very beginning. If I were going to bother lying about things I wouldn’t be honest about who I am and use my real name.

            Simple logic.

        • Shane Nokes

          Actually the last time I worked on something was in late April, but I just haven’t taken the time to update the resume on LinkedIn since last May.

          There’s a lot of other stuff that isn’t on the LinkedIn profile either that I can’t put on there yet due to non-expired NDA’s, or being not related to tech since I use LinkedIn specifically for my tech stuff. :)

          The shared library was actually one of those things, but since that’s now public info I can put it on there. I just haven’t yet.

          Focus groups don’t work via contract or as FTE’s. They are polled or have hardware/software sent that they evaluate and then give an opinion on.

          I didn’t work on anything related to the DRM, just the shared library for this latest round.

    • Jeremy Trifilo

      I don’t think they promised dedicated servers, but they did say lag free gaming.

      • Shane Nokes

        Online MP is no longer tied to ‘hosts’ on the consoles.

        They wanted to remove host advantage which couldn’t happen with P2P gaming.

        I think DrToker was referring to the whole thing about there essentially being a 3:1 ratio of cloud to local console processing power though.

        That hasn’t changed either as far as I’m aware.

        • Kreten

          If anything host gets a disadvantage in games like bo2. If you have good connection so your location is uploaded faster to other players than person thats with low connection. Download speed usually always higher than upload

          • Shane Nokes

            Not so. The match is hosted on their machines so they have the lowest latency of anyone.

            That’s why they are called a host, and it’s called a host advantage. It’s always existed when things aren’t handled by a server, but hosted in a P2P manner.

            Look up the stuff about this and you’ll see what I’m talking about. :)

          • Kreten

            Thats funny as person lagging is constantly able to aim and shoot me while I with 50Mbit internet am shooting at one spot and all the sudden they are 3-5 feet to the left/right and kill me. But i guess to you thats advantage?

            I don’t need to look it up saw it with my own eyes and killcams thousadn times

          • Shane Nokes

            Speed and Ping are not the same thing.

            Latency and bandwidth are not 1:1. You don’t always realize whether or not it’s you lagging ot them lagging as you almost always appear smooth on your end since all of that is running locally on your system.

            Other people can appear to be lagging from your perspective because you’re not receiving their data properly.

            That’s why I said to look up some stuff on how networking works, especially in regards to multiplayer games and what host advantage actually means.

      • Dylan

        They did promise dedicated servers.
        And Xbox One owners will still get it, DRM removal doesn’t affect that

        • Jeremy Trifilo

          Really? I was expecting it to be up to the publishers of a game if they would allow that because more than likely it would come at a cost to them.

          • Dylan

            Wouldn’t surprise me if they charged for it.

            I mean, they charge 40K per update,
            and charge users for everything

          • Jeremy Trifilo

            I wonder how many matches will be supported on each server. Each match seems to support up to 128 players now from what I could find. Would finally be nice to see some legitimate leaderboards.

          • Kreten

            They said that single game could have up to that many players as in massive multiplayer games not for COD but i dont think it will be specific number dedicated pretty much if person is searching and servers are full gets just started on another one.

        • DrToker

          Could you please stop calling it DRM removal. We traded online DRM for disc DRM.

          • Dylan

            As far as I’m concerned, protection against copying is no where near the 24 hour DRM.

            To compare the online pass, with SimCity, would be doing SimCity a favor.

  • Lucas Sanches Cestari

    hey guys, someone know if my friends will be on the xbox live of xbox one?

    • DrToker

      Everything will transfer except your games.

      • Lucas Sanches Cestari

        thanks

        • DrToker

          You’re welcome:)

  • Kreten

    They really don’t know what they are talking about. Ps4 was split into two categories but still same thing because of too many orders and if you look ps4 actually has many bundles on that top list where xbox only has one

    • DrToker

      The Xbox has been split into two aswell if you haven’t noticed. We have the future version and the PastStation4.

      • Kreten

        I just looked and on top 100 i still only see xbox day one edition. But i preordered mine straight from xbox. As for ps4 they have release version and standard but it says in description that its 100% same thing but had to split and both of these were above xbox one which would conclude double the sales. But now ps4 has 3 bundles and 2 regulars on top 10

        • DrToker

          Ok? It’s still the PastStation.

          • Kreten

            Idc what it is just straightened out false news even though i don’t like the truth

  • DrToker

    How many people prefer the New Xbox One over the PS4, but still prefer the Original Xbox One with online DRM instead of disc DRM?

    • Kreten

      I like mix of both world. Disc copy disc drm and sale rights, Digital copy online drm with family share rights.

      • redcon

        I like the original but if after no check in for 24 hours require a disc in the tray and disable share/trade

        • Kreten

          That would mean you’re not home and family member trying to play and they can’t untill you turn your xbox on

          • redcon

            If your console is ‘always on’ like they say it is, unless you had no power/internet it wouldn;t matter.

          • Kreten

            But problem is like you said if you don’t connect 24 hrs everyone else is cut off from your library. Where if they do it for digital copies only then even if you didn’t check in for 24 hrs they know that you couldn’t of sold the game because you don’t have a disc

  • Dr. Littles

    The solution to XBOX ONE problems lies with XBOX LIVE. Microsoft forgot
    what built the XBOX brand, XBOX LIVE. Why not offer the gamers a choice
    to choose, rather than forcing the issue. Allowing gamers a choice could
    usher in a new era of gaming. Digital is the future but forcing it is
    not the answer. Steam and iTunes are models that XBOX ONE is attempting
    emulate within the gaming sector. These models felt resistance but
    instead of jumping under a rock, they embraced the concerns of the
    consumer and found a balance approach to please the masses. Microsoft I
    offer you a simple solution: Silver (Free), Gold Basic ($49.99), and
    Gold Plus ($59.99). Give gamers the best of both worlds, physical and
    digital media. More importantly, give us choices. If you agree with
    choices below, maybe Major Nelson can offer a polling to see if this something
    the gaming community would like to see Microsoft implement.

    Marketing Specifications

    https://twitter.com/SlyFox1914/status/348280298863198208/photo/1

    • Kreten

      You don’t see anything wrong with plan 3? And why would it cost more? With discs you get advantage of reselling but with digital no advantage and by your plans basic members can’t buy digital copies.

  • DrToker

    MS offered us to buy our digital media anywhere we wanted. No one has done that before, and we said -”f*ck you”. I’m actually ashamed of you shortsighted idiots.

  • xbox rules

    Thanks Microsoft for bringing back the share feature drm is back in action. According to ign

    • DrToker

      Don’t f*ck with me. What are you talking about?

      • DeFFeR

        I see nothing on IGN about that. Ignore until sourced.

        • Kreten

          Xbox rules name but actually Playstation Employee

      • xbox rules

        Someone from Microsoft leaked infomation about doing the share feature which woulld require Drm

        • Kreten

          Yea and again if it is true you’re only posting half of it. And for your info every paid game in the world has drm just different types. If you’re talking about online drm then it would only be for dowoaded versions with share feature which would make sense. See person pays 60$ for disc and they do what they want with it. But without online drm person who downloads is stuck with 60$ copy only on their profile.

          So next time you decide to spread rumors and panic use that head of yours for something else besides haircut

          • xbox rules

            See problem with lending games to your friends the developers don’t like that they want them to buy the game and get rich as well

          • Kreten

            But they wouldn’t risk outrage by blocking you. Exactly why EA removed online pass

  • xbox rules

    Microsoft doesn’t know what they want to do that’s bad for thier part when they lost about 60 percent of consumers to ps4 they jumped ship well I’m not

  • xbox rules

    Microsoft needs to add one more membership which would be one up from gold which would be diamond membership that would be a good idea. Ill pay 80 a year for one up from gold which will give us more features from the gold

  • xbox rules

    Drm isn’t that bad it is 2013 if u don’t have the internet your screwed. Microsoft thinking ahead all u kiddies aren’t ready for the future. If you have xbox live your online so stop complaining Microsoft need to do what they do the best which is make money and don’t care what people think. The system will still sell millions because its xbox. What they need to enforce is little kids needs to be banned from playing with adults. As well for a diamond membership who will pay extra if we get unlimited everything with free hulu netflix extra content that gold members don’t get ill pay for it $80 a year.

    • Kreten

      STFU quit spreading rumors you’ll get banned

      • xbox rules

        Rumors Microsoft telling u half of what they want the public to know but I know the other half and if I say the other half ill get banned for telling the truth about what they are planning to do.

        • Kreten

          Ok wheres your proof? And you think they would risk millions of people suing for false advertisement? Once xbox is released they cant go back and change online drm. And changing it now would be stupid as people can just cancel orders. It is in their interest to not implement online drm to discs but would be benifactory if they did to digital copies

  • chris

    Thank you for listening to the feedback and making this change. Now I would appreciate you releasing a bundle that doesn’t have the Kinect and is $100 cheaper. If you do that, then you might get me to purchase an Xbox One when it is released.

    • Kreten

      Well what you want is upgraded 360 so just stick w 360. People like you are pissing me off. Its not just because of kinect that its more expensive but you trully are getting a lot more than with ps4. How do you plan on them paying for 300k servers?

      • Audioslave

        We will probably have more than PS4…BUT, the majority of buyers will just look at the price. The X1 should have a cheaper package without Kinect, otherwise, PS4 will lead the way here :(

      • chris

        Easy now. I know there are reasons for the higher cost but whatever those reasons, Microsoft has chosen a price point that is too high for me. I would have to pay around $600 dollars after tax and purchasing just one game. Without being able to play 360 games on it, that will be the only game I would be able to play. This and other reason will keep me from purchasing Xbox One for a while.

      • 360_Assassin

        Dude they can pay for those servers 10times over, let’s not worry about the big corporation worth billions of dollars, ok?

        • Dylan

          They charge a huge premium for Xbox Live
          Hide features that are free everywhere else behind this paywall
          Charge 40K for updates
          Force developers to have MS as a publisher or get another one to get on the platform
          Get huge AD revenue from the dashboard
          Huge dollar amounts in console purchases, peripheral purchases (remember when the wi-fi adapter was 150 dollars!?)

          And we’re supposed to feel like Microsoft is the victim?
          Seriously, they can afford the servers.

          And those 300K aren’t even real land servers, a bunch will be digital through the Cloud.

          • 360_Assassin

            oh I know and I agree. What I can’t figure out is why they won’t take Kinect out, drop the price to what Ps4 is, and win next gen.
            instead they try to DRM all of us and Force Kinect on those who don’t even care to use it or want it for whatever reason and raise the price a $100 more than Ps4….i mean really?
            someone over at MS is secretly trying to sink them I think.
            this does not seem like the same MS that made such a wonderful xbox 360 with options like Kinect for those who
            wanted it and no restrictions on always online being forced BS.

          • Kreten

            So why create new gen console at all then? Why not just upgrade 360 as to what you’re saying. I see huge advantage of kinect. Tell it what text message to write and it does. In game give simple voice commands. Like I’m playing NFS Most Wanted 2012 right now and while kinect is not required it makes life much easier with “easydrive”. Some things will require use of it just as pc games use mouse think of kinect as same thing as mouse. What are you getting with ps4 that xbox360 doesn’t already have? Why call it next gen at all?

            Why does Wii require the wand? It’s the experience that they want to give to 98% of the people so the 2% of those like you don’t have to get it if you don’t agree with experience its offering. It’s not xbox 360 it new generation new experience

          • 360_Assassin

            well just because u do, does not mean someone else does or even cares about that. everyone has the right to think what they want and believe in what they want. Kinect is useless to me. Maybe not you, but it is to me an it’s my right, not to want it, just like it’s your right to want it. so why not make two bundles? Or if they want everyone to have one, then just don’t make it mandatory

          • Kreten

            You’re wrong there and if you read anywhere . All these companies are actually selling hardware at a loss. It takes a lot of money to keep servers up thats why playstations network sucks. And they gotta make up their money somehow. They give you 300k servers vs 30k servers now and keep xbl price the same. Do you know how much one server costs? 30-100k each if averaging at 50k that would be 15 billion dollars but you think you should have everything handed to you for free

    • DrToker

      I hate you! You don’t even know what you f*cked up! Can I eat you?

    • Dylan

      They didn’t listen to us.
      They kept going on about how they weren’t changing anything, despite the backlash from their fans for months.

      Then Sony E3 happened. Then they got mocked on National tv. Then they saw the pre-order numbers.
      That’s what changed their tune, how people were flocking to the competition.

      • DrToker

        Isn’t that the same thing?

        • Dylan

          Not at all.

          They’ll claim that it was “made by gamers, for gamers”

          But that isn’t the case.

          They only changed because they had to.
          They tried as hard as they could to get away with it.

          • Audioslave

            They change because we maked noise and gamers didn’t preorder the X1…

      • chris

        I get that bad PR is a major reason they changed policies. Whatever the reason I’m glad they did it. If they change a few more that I don’t like, then they might win me over as a customer of their next gen console. The price point is a major one and a more a la carte purchase option would be an easy way to do that. They did it with 360, PS4 is doing it and I don’t understand why it can’t be done with Xbox One.

        • Dylan

          Yeah.
          With this decision, my mentality has gone from
          “Never..ever getting it”
          to
          “I’m gonna get it for exclusives at the middle or end of gen”

          Like I did my PS3. Kind of crazy, Microsoft is like Sony 2006.

          • chris

            I came a little late to this generation of consoles too. PS3 was too expensive and I didn’t like that they forced you to pay for Xbox Live to play online with 360. I agree that Microsoft is making a lot of the same mistakes Sony did. Hopefully Microsoft can realize it earlier than Sony did.

  • xbox rules

    Microsoft , Microsoft I’m disappointed u tell the public half of the truth I think they deserve the right to know the other half. I’ve got sources through Microsoft they told me what they got planned for xbox one . What what’s that drm not completely out of xbox one as well codes will be implaced in games. So you still need the internet to type the codes into play online. Its true what hey said u don’t have to go online every24 hours 10 percent what they said was true. Microsoft been feeding us white lies.

    • Socal71

      Are you retarded?

    • DaveF

      You need internet… to type in codes… to play *online*… yeah.

  • Kreten

    It is gone but they might revize that in order to offset the disadvantage of downloading a copy and make sharing enabled for digital copies

  • xbox rules

    Wow someone Microsoft upset about the drm taken off and they want it back go to kotaku and read about it

  • xbox rules

    After reading what the Microsoft employee said about drm it all makes since I’m not the only one feeling good about the drm go to kotaku and read it it all makes since all u kiddies worried about what nothing. It sucks to say you still need the internet to mandatory install the game to your hard drive. I even called the hq in washington and told them I support the drm and also stated that some of these so called xbox fans jumped the ship to ps4 I’m willing to stay I want my voice to be heard. I understand why they are were or what ever they are doing now . I believe the developers want them to have drm I understand why it sucks that ur blindsided if u don’t see what they are doing. Ill keep calling the hq in washington with other anonymous people out there.they are telling part truth about what they said. Drm.drm drm support it. I have faith in Microsoft they will do it right I believe

    • Dylan

      Support DRM?
      Say what again?

      It only restricts you, and treats you like a criminal.
      It is very different to support family sharing, and accepting DRM as a trade-off.

      That’s why Steam is so popular. The prices are the trade-off.

      And why people were so strongly against Ubisoft Always Online DRM, and Simcity, it had no benefit.
      Only take, take, take.

      • Audioslave

        Microsoft should have said the prices would be lower, they didn’t, it was their mistake.

        It was DRM with the hassle, without any real benefits for the gamer.

        They could have done the best of two worlds…BUT, it’s not too late, they still can have the same old features with digital downloads and let the disc people play like they played on the 360.

        • Dylan

          That’s because prices wouldn’t have been lower.

          They could have done something beneficial for both parties, but were insistent on getting their way, without realizing they answer to US.

          • Audioslave

            Steam should be their model. DRM but discounted price. People will accept DRM if the price is right.

            Publishers already take $20 for DLC, $70 for games. Their DRM model with resale restrictions was too greedy…

          • Dylan

            Totally agree.
            They wanted the DRM restrictions and figured they’d get away with not really giving anything back (the family sharing was neat, but just a cookie).

            Probably the higher ups said “Look at Steam! People love DRM!”

            When its really “Man Steam is awesome for its prices, I trust them, and with the low prices, I am willing to look over the un-obtrusive DRM”

            I wonder if the SteamBox will be a hit.

          • Audioslave

            Greed is one deadly sin ;)

            Publishers should be happy with their DLC. Now, we pay a game $90 as we have to pay for the DLC “Season Pass” when the game is released…

            Publishers should use DLC if they want to have some money from the resale. They could also use the freemium model. Give the multiplayer part for free with a bunch of map and then sell the next map for $ 4.99.

            They are really plenty of new business models to explore.

          • Dylan

            2K has basically agreed with you. Killing used games and other such things won’t fix the problem.

            Sidenote: I like Audioslave, but I’ve always loved Rage Against the Machine much much more.

          • Audioslave

            I love Soundgarden much much more :)

            Resale is here because games are expensive. If games are at a fair price, there isn’t resale need…
            We can trade DRM and no resale for discounted price. That’s a fair trade. But there is no way we will acept to pay $90 games without resale.

          • Dasoulink

            I think we got it… lower prices add DRM go digital

          • Dasoulink

            Dig it

        • Dasoulink

          Agreed but some form ofb security is necessary I know checking in pisses people off but we can’t have chaos or just a free for all

    • 360_Assassin

      ok either you work for MS or your just off your rocker. WTF dude? Your the kind of person that ruins things for everyone else.

      • Richard

        Actually there correct irs only compulsory for the initial set up ofxbox 1 to connect to the Internet.

    • Kreten

      Omg learn to read and write “makes sense” not “makes since” read xbox news update. It says you will need internet only ONE TIME WHEN YOU FIRST SET UP XBOX AND NEVER HAVE TO GO ONLINE AGAIN. Stop spreading damn rumors

    • heyitsme

      DRM is still there, don’t worry. They just removed many of the restrictions with it. Tell those people not to be anonymous, you get more of a response when you have a face behind a voice!

  • DrToker

    -Xbox play Forza 5
    -Put in disc
    -Gaaaaaaaaaahhhh

    • Dylan

      Buy digitally.

      Problem solved.

      • DrToker

        Not solved! I cannot get the best digital find online (revolutionary) and since the world got stuck in disc-DRM, digital will not get cheaper. I feel f*cked and my a** really hurts.

        • Ryan

          im sure microsoft had nothing to do with that

          • DrToker

            You don’t understand, and that frustrates me. Nelson was right, you can’t flip the switch, and that is why they fell back on the same system as the 360.

          • Audioslave

            If they want to flip the switch, then they have to sell games at a discounted price. That’s all. That’s what Steam and Apple did.
            MS had the power to make the move but they need to understand we won’t accept DRM and the hassle without any real benefits.
            They have their hands tied by the publisheds and the games shops, that’s not good. If they weren’t tied, they would have done the right thing.

          • DrToker

            Without DRM? You don’t understand and that is why you should just lean back and learn. There are laws to follow in this World and MS is not special.

          • Kreten

            You had the benefit you refused to see it

          • Audioslave

            The benefit were so small for me…Too much hassle, too many restrictions. I don’t want a world with DRM and PRISM.
            I can accept DRM if that means discounted prices, that’s the only benefit I want. I don’t care about family share and so.

          • Guest
        • Audioslave

          If they want to put their new DRM system on, they will have to sell digital games cheaper…It will come one day.
          This generation consoles will be hard to sell, they will have to switch their model towards a more Steam/Apple Store model. and that means discounted prices.
          The 360 had already digital games but they were more expensive than on Amazon store ! WTF ?

          • Dylan

            XMen: Origins Wolverine (2008) is 30 dollars on Games on Demand.
            Thirty. Dollars.

            And then Microsoft last week was heralding that COD: Black Ops 1 will be on sale for 30 dollars.

            Seriously?

          • Jeremy Trifilo

            amazon com/Call-Duty-Black-Edition-Xbox-360/dp/B00519C7CE/ref=dp_ob_title_vg

          • DrToker

            They tried and people fucked it up before it was even released. You could buy digital content for the Xbox from any store, but people didn’t understand. The world is more retarded than I gave it credit for. MS was the first to offer us to buy digital games from anywhere…..helllloooo! Idiots!

          • Audioslave

            Who cares about digital games if they sell them at a higher price than on Amazon ?
            Price is the problem. That’s why Sony or MS weren’t able to do what Apple or Steam did.
            The idiots are the marketing guys who think they will sell us the digital download at a higher price than the physical box ! ;)

          • Kreten

            And thats why steam isn’t as big as xbox live. Buy game for 30$ vs split 60$ with 10ppl but thats you not going to school and learning math

          • Audioslave

            It’s not 10 people. You can’t play it at the same time.

          • Kreten

            It is 10 people and at least you and one more person could play at the same time and even that is getting new game at less than used game price

          • Audioslave

            They can use that system with digital downloads and let the disc based system like before…
            I prefer discounted price games and no sharing at all.

          • Kreten

            Well that’s what I’m hoping for to get family share for digital copy and resale for discs.

          • Kreten

            Why would they have to sell cheaper? Isn’t family share enough? You and 9 other people taking turns buying games. Thats 6$ per game from each of your ten “family members”

          • Audioslave

            Come on. This family share is a joke. Who has a family outside their house walls ? Only a very few people…
            I don’t care about this family share, my family is under my house roof and if they want to play a game, they take the disc and play it.
            They have to be cheaper because there are too many restrictions. DRM is a burden, then, it HAS to be cheaper. It cannot be more expensive than on Amazon. That’s just business rules…

          • Kreten

            Did you know your cousins are your family? And they said “anyone you deem is your family you don’t have to share address or same ip you can live in separate states” So if you don’t have 10 family members (real life friends) you got way bigger issues than how will xbox be and cheaper that 6$ a game you don’t get it on amazon or steam maybe if game sux and is two years old

          • Kreten

            So that’s the problem this didn’t work out for you as you don’t even have a single real life friend to split the 60$ game bill with LoL that’s sad

          • Audioslave

            I think it was a problem to many people, not just me ;)

            And it’s familly sharing, not friends…

            Anyway, Microsoft sucked big time on this. They weren’t clear at all.

          • Kreten

            Yeah they call it family sharing but they don’t know if your friends are your couzins. They should of been more clear on things. I mean either way I’m sattisfied. I would just liike it more with family share

          • Kreten

            and btw the amazon prices you’re talking about is for used games not brand new since you’re saying microsoft would charge more for games than amazon. Another thing you’re contradicting your story, you’re complaining about digital having to be cheaper but then say your family lives in same house and can grab the disc. Now think about this assassins creed with 1000 developers working on a game for 2-3 years paying those employees, paying for developing software, paying actors etc, (paying marketing alone costs 50-150 million$) do the math and see if it makes sense to give you more advanced stuff that took lot more work to produce for less money than previous console

          • Audioslave

            Unfortunately no :( Here (I don’t live in the USA), Amazon is always cheaper than Xbox Live Market Place ! That’s the problem to me…
            I WANT to go digital, I don’t care about the disc, BUT I DO want to pay my games cheaper because there is no resale. That’s all. I want a Steam like system.
            Movies are expensive too and you just pay $15…We pay games almost $100 ! Come on…PC games are made by the same people and they are way cheaper, why ?

          • Kreten

            I don’t see how amazon can sell microsoft stuff cheaper than microsoft new. Since you want to go digital what I said about sharing cost with friends would of been perfect. But now you get old way like on 360

          • Audioslave

            Because MS doesn’t care at all about digital sales. They don’t want to fight with physical stores so they sell the games at a high price…

            Sharing with a friend, MS would probably ban this…as it’s labeled family sharing. And they still can do that with digital downloads !

            If publishers or developers want to make more money, they can sell more DLC stuff…

        • Kreten

          What’s new you expected games gonna be cheaper when they even said games would be 59.99$ (when they were including online drm)

          • Audioslave

            MS wasn’t clear enough.
            Their whole sytem was way too complicated. And $60 is the price you can get the physical box on Amazon, still too expensive for a digital download without resale.
            Why games are way cheaper on PC ?

          • DrToker

            MS:s vision was killed by media, if you can’t see that……

          • heyitsme

            New Xbox One slogan should be “XBOX ONE – THE VISON IS MANDATORY!”

          • Dasoulink

            Interesting I wonder if all dlc will be free if u buy digital

          • Kreten

            They were clear that you get to share every one of those 60$ games with 10 family members only wasnt clear as to how many at the same time. And with them living in another state. Let me see you share one disc at same time with someone out of state

          • DrToker

            Yes! Digital copies was standard and everyone were allowed to sell them. Revolutionary!!!!!!!

  • Ryan

    Id rather plug my potential xbox one into my 360, because my 360 is worth more with all my XBLA games and 360 games I have built up, until I ensure my investment, at least two more 360s before they stop producing them or pull server support, I cant even think about investing in the new generation, I hope your not expecting it early like I did with the 360, had the hardware supported the software it would have been a day one purchase of mine, drm bullsnot and all…..

    • Kreten

      You’re out of the loop read the latest news

      • E.Nich

        Link? You mean news about back compat, right?

  • Kreten

    Yea and have you actually read that? It tells you that its false and that its confirmed family sharing had/has no time limit they get full game

    • Dylan

      Don’t. Engage. The. Troll.

      *runs away*

      • 360_Assassin

        lol

  • DrToker

    DRM (Disc Reminder Mystem)

  • DrToker

    I hate you!

    • Dylan

      Let the hate flow through you!

      Fulfill your destiny!

      • DrToker

        Heheh…I can’t, I just want to eat people.

  • DrToker

    How many did actually think this through?

    • DrToker

      Two of you did not think this through.

  • DrToker

    F*ck you PastStation, I want Xbox One.

    • DrToker

      Two people enjoy the past.

  • wings of a badger

    I know it says no links but you have to read this as it clearly shows the Family plan was goodhttp://kotaku.com/rumor-about-xbox-one-family-sharings-downsides-has-fla-534484570

    • heyitsme

      There were still no clear answers, only that the “demo mode” was not true. Besides go a blog over and listen to the podcast, they are still planning on trying to work something in.

  • trickbfc1988

    The feedback obviously matters otherwise they wouldn’t of changed any of the policies and would have just said nope you’re having drm whether you like it not. Stop crying like a baby all you people do is complain 24/7 get a grip you dont like anything microsoft are doing go and buy a pos4 and prepare to be dissapointed.

    • MotherNelson

      if feedback mattered then why is Kinect still mandatory?

      Don’t fool yourself. They didn’t “listen” to any of us. they just saw that they were getting hammered and that PS4 was taking the advantage at E3. (if I recall, MS was basically BEGGING for people to clap during th epress conferences, sony didn’t even have to ask xD)

  • heyitsme

    Because it was Microsofts first console, there would have had to been something released previous to it.

  • Gnagis84

    WHY WHY WHY! im Calling MS now to cancle my preorder now the one feels like a USA based console with stuff only working in USA so i stick with 360 and my gaming PC!

    • heyitsme

      That is the exact opposite of what happened, there is NO MORE region lock.
      “Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console — there will be no regional restrictions.”

      • Gnagis84

        so you realy Think TV and all that stuff will work in sweden.. i say NO… not even their phone os works like it should in sweden and not xbox360 either… i dont care about regions… i wanted a box that i could enjoy from time to time without puting in discs…
        now they have removed all the benefits against the PS4?
        i see no meaning in having a one over a ps4 now? as they are both as advanced as my old dreamcast! still put disc in!
        oh also GAMES ARE NOT EVEN RELEASE DIGITALY ON THE 360 ON RELEASE DAY IN SWEDEN so i dont Think that will change in one either so i still have to preorder a disc and then go plug that in and take out to play Another and so on.. btw… kinnect is not working in Swedish either… so still USA console working only in USA like it should

  • Crypt0117

    I’m so mad that they changed their minds on their original vision for Xbox One, it felt truly next generation! Now it more of the same. Developers won’t take the time and money to make truly persistent worlds or bother to upgrade AI because of all the “offline” folks. This stinks and whoever made you change this Don should be fired for derailing the awesome future of games.

    • Austin Pacheco

      Developers arent going to change. Games like titanfall and destiny are too close to completion at this point because they have to start producing the discs. Besides the majority of games are played online now anyways so the option of not using internet is there but alot of games showcased are working on persistant worlds not just the microsoft studios ones. Also the online community is too big to not continue advancement somethere down the line. Some kind of medium is in the works. For now people have their discs and others have digital. What everyone does is up to them but will be their loss without the connectivity.

      • Jason Renfro

        Those games launch in 2014. They do not go “gold” for another 6 months minimum.

        • Austin Pacheco

          Still disageetoo any ideas and passionto just douse the flame. It may be a small burn for now but eventually it will be a forest fire that will spread givin the chance

  • Crypt0117

    And be prepared for all those gaming sites to review your games “offline”. So any next generation features that the cloud will bring will not be showcased because they have to review for the “offline” folks. The true advantages of your always connected vision will not be realized or advertised because of the fractured nature of this new policy.

  • xbox rules

    Kotaku said a Microsoft employee was heartbroken with the policy change. The problem is that Microsoft listen to idiots and they didn’t listen to the right people drm is the future now the developers are pissed with the change in the new policy I agree with the people such as crypt0117. So called xbox dans jumped ship before we even reached land instead they jumped to the pirates ship which is sony. I will always be a xbox loyalty member. I believe if they made both sides of the party happy such as those who support the old policy as well as the new. Maybe they could do a upgraded version like a diamond membership which would cost more. The membership would include all the drm features with the old policy as well exclusive stuff that gold members don’t have. I would pay extra just for the diamond membership. I also think that others will pay more if the diamond membership offers more as well if we get free games with it .

    • Xboner2013

      You were not getting the family share, you were getting a family demo. There was no need to eliminate the family share, they eliminated it because they had nothing to start with. A new sucka born everyday.

      • dibils

        says the guy who believes an anonymous person on a FORUM with the name CBOAT or whatever lmao

      • Does Not Equal

        Already debunked many times over. You fell for it!

    • Jason Renfro

      Developers are not upset about any of the changes. The developer is still allowed to put “Internet Connection Required” right there on the game box just as Titanfall will. The developer can have their game not work at all offline if they want it is their choice still.

  • Sween

    I dont think microsoft can win either way due to the negative press it received and comments all over the net. I personally am not bothered either way as all i want to do is game. I dont think the drm route is finished yet. Its up to microsoft and publishers now to show that the digital route is the way to go. Games for download at reasonable prices and some sales like steam does should help. If they want it to be a success fully they need downloadable games cheaper than buying the disc. Ill be buying the xbox one simply because i prefer the control pad, exclusive games and xbox live.

    • Jason Renfro

      The Xbox One is the number one seller in Amazon trouncing the PS4 and the same is happening at all the other retailers right now.

      • Sween

        thats a good thing. its making a comeback. All this talk about the specs of the console have microsoft actually released the actual specs of the console?

        • jamie orion

          No. Everyone is just going off the made up vgleaks doc

          • Jason Renfro

            Most people don’t understand how much those 300000 servers are going to make a difference. When the can have those things take care of a ton of the GPU load there is no sense in even comparing the two systems. The online experience will be like night and day between the two.

          • Xboner2013

            Hogwash, you can’t unload graphics to a distributed computing model for gaming, the “future proof” claims by MS was a freaking lie from hell, I don’t know how people sleep at night. It is very apparent from your statement “people don’t understand”, was actually “you” that doesn’t understand.

            And the specs for the Xbone, in general, have been released a long time ago.

          • Jason Renfro

            Yes you can.

          • Jason Renfro

            Persistent worlds can be taken care of server side especially things like lighting.

          • Xboner2013

            Yeah, like MMos have been doing for 20 years you goof, you can’t unload graphics on a distributed model for gaming.

          • Jason Renfro

            name an mmo with 300000 servers

          • Xboner2013

            What does 300000 servers have to do with anything? It is very apparent you don’t know a think about technology.

          • Jason Renfro

            You seem to be the fool

          • Xboner2013

            You are the fool, looking like a fool on the internet. You have no idea what you are talking about.

          • Jason Renfro

            But the Xbox One is built to communicate with servers in the cloud to increase the computational potential of the system. Boyd continued “[As a developer] I can start doing things like shifting latency insensitive things to the cloud. You may have a limited number of transistors in your house, but you have an unlimited number of transistors in the cloud
            From IGN

          • Jason Renfro

            lightning and the physical objects in the game are not latency sensitive – they can be computed in the cloud and the information pinged to your gpu

          • Xboner2013

            lighting could possibly be moved over, but that would be waste for most developers… physics probably can’t be

            Either way a waste.

          • Jason Renfro

            Enjoy CoD on a PS4 then I am sure you will

          • Jason Renfro

            Personally I enjoy dedicated servers and have been for 20 years

          • Xboner2013

            So? What does that have to do with your nonsense. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about which is why you had to go to c&p from articles.

          • Jason Renfro

            You already backpedaled on lighting care to apologize now? You have an opportunity at an internet first.

          • Xboner2013

            No I did not. You can’t unload most game calculations… there is no reason to unload really anything…. your hardware is going to have to be upgraded… end of story.

            Graphics are limited by your machine/gpu, in general. You bought into a snakeoil pitch.

            I don’t care if they have 10000000000000000000 servers, virtual or otherwise…. nothing has changed as far as real world physics.

          • Jason Renfro

            If you can unload ANY it is a benefit that the PSN can not and will not be able to handle.

          • fsdfg dsfds

            get a room farmboys

          • Jason Renfro

            I thought this was a chat room

          • Dylan

            If you understood what the Cloud was, you’d be laughing at that statement.
            Anyway, since you don’t, I’ll tell you this. PSN will have Cloud.

            http://www polygon com/2013/6/12/4424022/sony-shuhei-yoshida-says-ps4-cloud-computing-calculations

          • Xboner2013

            What that have to do with anything. If a developer wants to stand up a dedicated server, they can.

          • Jason Renfro

            You think Activision is gonna start 300000 dedicated servers for CoD ghosts? The PS4 still lets a single machine host the other players.

          • Xboner2013

            Why in the world would anyone need to stand up 300000 to host COD? Look Jason, it is clear you do not have a clue as to what you are talking about.

          • Jason Renfro

            Your not seeing the multiple benefits to the Live infrastructure. It trounces the PS4 and will be used when a developer wants for computing functions thereby reducing stress on the GPU.

          • Xboner2013

            Jason, there is no reason to unload gaming calculations to a distributed model, it serves really no purpose, in general. You can go read article and article about this, that is why MS really didn’t mention it last week as I called out Major Nelson and his “infiinite computing power of the cloud” nonsense.

            I know you have no idea what you are talking about because it is clear you don’t know the words that are being use, you read an article and thought wow, this is going to be great.

            Sure, some calculations can be done up in a data center, they have been for decades, at the end of the day, there really is no reason to unload unless you have to…. more less MMO type stuff.

            Servers for like MP is really just normal dedicated server stuff… client-server, it’s not really distributing computing… they lied…. people called them out on it… now MS has shut up in general.

          • Xboner2013

            “atency insensitive things to the cloud”

            Exactly, which removes 99.999% of all game computing running locally, and really the only benefit is MMO type things, in general.

          • Jason Renfro

            Titanfall does not run locally your character does

          • Xboner2013

            YOu mean like a traditional dedicated server right? DUhhhhhh those have been around for how long…. oh decades….. they are doing today on the PC.

          • Kabwall

            You are very, very wrong there.

          • Jason Renfro

            for 20 years huh?

          • Xboner2013

            Oh you didn’t know MMOs have been around since the early 90s.

          • Jason Renfro

            So you are saying that server technology hasn’t advanced in the last 20 years?

          • Xboner2013

            Yeah, they have things called cluster, so? That means absolutely nothing to the end user.

            YOU CAN NOT UNLOAD GAME GRAPHICS ONTO A DISTRIBUTED COMPUTING MODEL, end of story, you bought into MS’s snakeoil because Sony released their specs.

          • Xboner2013

            You have no idea WTF you are talking about. Let me see you think the cloud is something new? Stop tallking BS nonsense.

  • Jason Renfro

    This is a public service announcement because I am gonna be buying PS4s in my store from poor suckers who want to play CoD better for pennies on the dollar. Take a look at what server hosting can do you for you Xbox Live is going to make Online Multiplayer a ridiculously more robust experience. Console guys who have never played server based games are going to be absolutely blown away with the difference not to mention those 300000 servers are also gonna be doing a ton of GPU work for you as well. The PS4 online component is doomed to mediocrity and a last gen experience and that is a simple unavoidable fact.

  • Jason Renfro

    They should have allowed game sharing but then given the originating account $10 for every copy their friends bought. They still get $50 per game (digital only) and they would be using the consumer as the sales man eliminating brick and mortar, distributors, and a large portion of the advertising budgets. They don’t even get $50 as it is now it’s like $46 or something in that area.

  • fsdfg dsfds

    “Playstation always has the best games. Anyone that has a PS3 will
    understand. Games like The Last of Us, Uncharted, inFamous, Resistance,
    God of War, Heavy Rain, Ratchet & Clank”

    This is what the tard PS kids are saying….

    Do you guys really want to play lame exclusives like this?? Really

    • Sween

      each to there own i suppose. I personally prefer the xbox exclusives. Really looking forward to forza and titanfall.

      • fsdfg dsfds

        Yeah, xbox always has WAY better exclusives, only thing i be missing is Gran Turismo, and Forza 5 will cover that, hope they finally put wet weather in the dam game tho

      • FUS3360

        Forza is going to be revolutionary… The way they are implementing the cloud is amazing..

        • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

          If you think it’s going to be revolutionary you’re going to be disappointed.

    • Xboner2013

      I am in no hurry to buy any other console ever right now, no way I am buying an Xbone though, I have thought about getting a Vita, and buying a PS3 after a price drop and load up on $5-10 games…. I have a whole stack of $10 Xbox 360 games yet to play.

      • roozbeh

        Sony said no price drops for ps3 after the release of ps4

        • Xboner2013

          Well, no company will telegraph a price drop.

          I am in no rush. I was going to buy 2 surface pros, but after all this BS, I am not buying them now…. $2,000 of revenue someone lost.

      • Jason Renfro

        I just got a Vita in yesterday used I can give you a good deal on that p.o.s. Imagine my surprise when I tried to find anything compelling to play on it.

        • Jason Renfro

          The I thought I would take home so I could play my PS3 games on it. Screwed there too. Just want to get rid of it now and get the money back I laid out on it.

          • Xboner2013

            $100

          • Jason Renfro

            I don’t think Nelson would be too happy with me conducting business on his blog.

        • fsdfg dsfds

          I brought a psp way back when sony said they were getting an exclusive resident evil game…. yeah that happend

          All the current gen handhelds are garbage with hardly any good games

        • Xboner2013

          sure you did jason LOL

          • Jason Renfro

            Gamer Doc Los Angeles, Ca. came with a 4gb card and a bad copy of CoD

          • Jason Renfro

            I am not anonymous – My name and my game store’s name are right there. Been doing it for 6 years

    • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

      The Last of Us and Uncharted are excellent games. Best not to mention the Xbox exclusive game Fuzion Frenzy 2 mate.

      You can get good and bad exclusives on both consoles.

  • MotherNelson

    MS… you’re learning from your mistakes, which is fantastic.

    However, you didn’t listen to the fans. PLEASE. GET. RID. OF. MANDATORY. KINECT.

    You don’t need to have this to have a successful console or gaming experience. For some people out there, you’re actually RUINING it. Some people do NOT want cameras watching them. Others CANNOT take advantage of kinect’s features. Some, DO NOT want Kinect listening to them 24/7. Think about the people that live off the grid, or younger children that don’t need to be watched playing videogames in their underwear/jammies. It’s a sick and twisted requirement just to play on your console. Germany has already banned your device because of it… GERMANY, of ALL places, BANNED the xbox one.

    how does that make you feel?

    • ZEISMAN

      Wait wait. Don’t tell lies here! I am from Germany and nobody banned the Xbox One or Kinect. Why are you talking such trash?
      It’s clear for weeks that your data is not going anywhere to be stored or processed there. And you can turn it off. Are you paranoid?

      • MotherNelson

        http://www [dot] Spiegel [dot] de/netzwelt/games/ueberwachung-datenschuetzer-peter-schaar-kritisiert-microsofts-xbox-one-a-901893.html

        http://www [dot] tweaktown [dot] com/news/30610/german-government-says-the-xbox-one-is-a-monitoring-device/index.html
        excuse me, they are *CONSIDERING banning it… sorry.

        Because obviously being CONSIDERED makes everything better.

        • ZEISMAN

          Didn’t you learn anything from the past? Our politicians have no clue about modern technology. Look at all there KILLERSPIELE stories or our Mrs. Merkel where the internet is totally new… This ban would never happen. It’s ridicolous when you look at how many cameras are looking at you every day.

          • MotherNelson

            Australia is ALSO considering banning the xbox one. Why don’t you learn from the present? Corporations are dirty B@$stards. They play dirty. They fight dirty. They CAN and will use this against you if they can. You’re lucky enough to have a government that polices such things. Our government [US] is the one that creates such policies. Me being in the army, I’ve seen some scary things. Taken some Scary orders. Seen Scary new policies. The American people have no idea about any of it. I love MS, but they’ve sold their souls to uncle sam a looong time ago.

            My point is.. I don’t trust corporations, if you decide to that’s your problem. Your government is at least smart enough to never let another hitler rise….even a digital hitler.

          • ZEISMAN

            Sorry but you obviously ARE paranoid. Your comparison to such cruel things from Germanys past shows, that there is something really wrong in your mind. Go and get some professional help. Discussion closed. Thank you.

          • MotherNelson

            You can lead a sheep to water, but he runs off to play with the wolves anyway….

        • Dr.med. Z. Ombie

          LOL, germany just decided to ramp up surveillance systems, why they should stop kinect?
          Also I heared that the ONE gets a special OFFoff mode for kinect in germany and similar countries, but I think thats more to met standby-energy consumption regulations.

          • MotherNelson

            It shouldn’t be mandatory. Plain and simple. They will lose customers over this. Period. If they are that arrogant to not care, then they never deserved our business in the first place.

          • Austin Pacheco

            Turn it off turn it off turn it off turn it off turn it off. Go join ps4 and stop complaining

    • StudioMultimédia Gon’Interacti

      just like google news it has to be an “opt-in” the opt-in can be mandatory since you are not force to buy an xbox to survive. don’t be mad

  • xbox rules

    I have a question with the kinect can it understand everybody how the y talk? For a example my cousin has a speech imparement problem. He’s a great gamer.

  • xbox rules

    If my cousin can’t get on because the kinect can’t understand him ill be very mad.

  • xbox rules

    So I pray to God that u make the kinect understand everybody. Even retards

    • http://ordinarygamer.co.uk/ Dan Etheridge

      You worried it won’t understand you?

  • xbox rules

    I wonder if Microsoft going to make porn games for the kinect for us adults. Since the camera always watches.

    • Dr.med. Z. Ombie

      Not for the ONE, they will be some for PC for sure.
      MS should consider getting them on the Box makin a breakthrough in japan* this gen :)

      *and the rest of the world

  • FUS3360

    I’m actually ok with Kinect included with the xboxOne. I use it all the time to either navigate through the dashboard, movies, and even games.. The new Kinect is going to be a crucial part of the Xbox One. Both will work together in many scenarios which is why Microsoft is bundling the two.

    • Jason Renfro

      I have said this before and I will say it again. I would be fine with it as well if every time I scratched my nuts it didn’t say “wave for Kinect.” The current Kinect is annoying as hell and never utilized by myself or my kids unless they play Nat Geo or Dance Central. Make it stop trying to make me use it and I would be fine with it.

      • FUS3360

        I do get your point there lol. I have kids too and sometimes they make it go off. I’m sure the new kinect will be much better.

      • Audioslave

        Yes. Current Kinect is annoying, way too slow to move in the Xbox menus etc. I hate to use it outside the games.

    • MotherNelson

      Not everyone wants it. So why force it on people?
      answer: they shouldn’t.

      • FUS3360

        I’m sure many don’t want it but think of it as part of the Xbox One. Kinect is part of the Xbox One. Its not an accessory like it is on the 360. They will work as one now.

        • MotherNelson

          They don’t HAVE to. God, you sound like a BS PR robot. do you work for MS or something? They aren’t “one” if they were, it would have been built into the box and I wouldn’t buy it even then. It’s TETHERED to the console via a DETATCHABLE cord. it’s not NEEDED for me to play my games, DVD’s, blu rays, music, videos, or anything else. it’s not NEEDED to make my xbox function. which makes it an accessory.

          • FUS3360

            Build into the box? That’s rediculous. Why make the box even bigger by building kinect into it?

          • MotherNelson

            Exactly. It’s a retarded idea. JUST like making Kinect mandatory. I’m glad we agree. So now, you understand that they are NOT “one.” Very good. See? even Microsoft knows this.

          • FUS3360

            I guess we’ll have to wait and see. I like the way kinect works but you obviously don’t. It wouldn’t hurt to have two separate bundles. One with kinect and one withought.

          • StudioMultimédia Gon’Interacti

            it may be an expensive “toy” to have, i can understand that. I can understand that not everyone want to use it. But honestly, when well use, it’s a lot of fun. Of course those dance game are not for everyone, but once in a while, we laugh so much playing it with friends of family. I also like the potentiel of calling play in spoorts game or calling instruction in fps or pointing direction “go there” and boom everyone get a mark up. Have you ever play a game where you try to quickly tell people to watch for a freaking camper hidding in the dark his leg through the wall or shooting through wall and you just want to describe the area. Maybe someday well be able to just point shouting “sniper”. it can add at least a bit of fun and ergnomy. That being said, it’s a toy, just like the xbox is, and i dont see the kinect as an add on but as part of what they are selling now. They are not force to put it, but its a choice they made, to be different, to be innovative and to push foward technology. You are either in or out, but stop crying

          • FUS3360

            Thank you for seeing it for what its supposed to be..

      • Austin Pacheco

        Then dont get it go get hacked on ps4 for another 6 months

      • FUS3360

        I don’t really believe they are forcing it. That’s just the way they want to sale it. If people want it, they’ll buy it, if not, they won’t. Microsoft is confident enough to include kinect.

        • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

          They’re forcing it. They’re basically telling all the Xbox fans that they have gained over the past 10+ years that they either put up with Kinect or they go look elsewhere.

          I’m looking elsewhere. I spend a lot of money on Xbox related products but i guess they don’t mind me spending that on the competition instead.

        • StudioMultimédia Gon’Interacti

          you have to stop seeing it has an add-on, it’s part of it now, it’s no longer an add-on. It’s like wanting a company to remove the camera of a phone just because you don’t take picture with your cell phone. It’s not something that you pay for separetly. So either you choose that brand that come with a IR sensor or you choose another brand that doesn’t have that if you prefer that.

          • Audioslave

            Probably but it’s a bad move. They will lose sales because of that. I don’t think it’s wise. Kinect is not the Wii. People who like this kind of stuff won’t buy a $500 system.

          • FUS3360

            Exactly.. I don’t see what the complains are about. This is the way Xbox One well be sold.

    • fsdfg dsfds

      Well with a stupid picture of yourself like that, no surprise you like pouting in the mirror/kinect allday

      • FUS3360

        WOW, really? That picture is part of my job. I model sunglasses and actually make good moeny doung it.

        • fsdfg dsfds

          I dont want to here your lifestory, post that bs on tweetbook with the rest of the losers

          • FUS3360

            Its obvious you’re mad or something. I personally don’t know you and don’t feel like dealing with immaturity like yours.

          • MotherNelson

            That’s great. We all love your life. You’re amazing. You’re not annoying at all. Mother loves you.

          • fsdfg dsfds

            LOL you changed your pic what a poser HAHAH

          • Edgar Meza

            I don’t know if you notice but its no different than the other picture.. Jus modeling more glasses.. I change them pretty often. It seemes you’re pretty interested in my pictures because you keep pointing it out.. Those are Oakley’s by the way. Can you afford any?

          • Edgar Meza

            I can send you a free pair if you’d like. Just pay the shipping.

      • Does Not Equal

        “I have nothing constructive to say to counter your argument, so I’ll insult what looks to be a real photo of you instead.”

    • Audioslave

      Kinect is too slow for me, less confortable than the pad. I hope the 2.0 will be way faster.

      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        It’ll be pretty fast if you kick it over the garden fence.

  • Ryan Lanford

    I’m not buying this s**t if Kinect is required to use it.

    • Dr.med. Z. Ombie

      Bye, then.

      • MotherNelson

        You sound like Don Mattrick. I guess they really don’t give a flying fu#$ about their own fans. Honestly, Do something to keep your customers. Not just a PR stunt. Sure, im glad that they got rid of the Orwellian BS, but this camera is the only thing preventing me from buying xbox one.

        • Dr.med. Z. Ombie

          Hey plz build this car with just 3 tires I dont like 4, k or I dont buy.
          *tumbleweed*

          • MotherNelson

            unhuh… we all stopped listening the first time.

            *crickets die*

          • Austin Pacheco

            The funny thing is the kinect can be completely shut off if u like so complain all u want

          • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

            It isn’t the complaining they’ve got to worry about it’s the loss of sales.

          • Austin Pacheco

            For what a piece of hardware that can be shut off if u like, turned around ,or even covered? A piece of equipment that will come in handy for any and everyone in some way whether its gaming skyping watching tv surfing the web. Basically anything can be done with more to come and your worried about conspericy theories. Tell u what get rid of your verizon phone.

          • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

            I live in the UK mate no Verizon here. I still use a rotary dial phone.

            You can argue all you like about it but the fact is a lot of long time Xbox fans like myself will not buy an Xbox One because of the Kinect. I like a controller in my hand old school style. Kinect wouldn’t appreciate my hand gestures anyway.

          • Xboner2013

            Web cams are so 90s for gaming. I remember my friend showing me his web cam game in like 1999 or something. I laughed then and I laugh now.

          • StudioMultimédia Gon’Interacti

            of, so an infrared sensor that can do facial recognition is something you had in 1999 for 99$ right ?

          • Xboner2013

            Irrelevant, actually functionality as an input device is just as lame if not lamer today than it was then. It’s stupid, it’s a lame device and it will be collecting dust just like the Kinect 1.0 is.

            You’ll still be down to dancing games and basic kids games, it’s limited by physics…physics hasn’t changed since 1999.

          • StudioMultimédia Gon’Interacti

            and since when physics limits have stop human from achieving great stuff ??? You are aware that kinect is use in many medical research program and have been hack in so many ways that it, if it doesn’t necesserly fulfill a big gamer achievement, has done great to many people so far. It has been a commercial success. I have a kinect, i won one, i don’t use it often, i wouldn’t buy it right away either just to save a few buck, but, i don’t cry about it.

            No offense intended, but they made the choice to include it and you have the choice of ps4 and xbox. i think that ultimatly, this tool have a lot of potential that was NOT exploited on xbox 360. The kinect 1 was a ginea big for people to test and see costumer feedback. The main problem was LAAAAG, distance require, level of light. They have correct those 3 major problem, so i expect developper will better make use of it now. And it seems that it’s heading toward the right integration. No kinect-only game, they are heading toward kinect + controller. They are looking to enhance your regular playing style, not invent a new one. And i think they will succeed in under a year.

            give them a chance you might be surprise.

          • StudioMultimédia Gon’Interacti

            plus, it make training easier and better now for a very huge amount of people that are to shy to go to gym, plus, it make it fun to train and that only is a very good social reason to include it, especially in the USA.

            of course, if you are fit, you don’t dance, you didn’t had anything to do with 360 and kinect and i can understand why you don’t want it now… but let wait and see what developer can do with it.

          • Xboner2013

            Yeah you can do jumping jacks with it, hey if that is your thing, cool. Either way it’s pretty limited as an input device, not usually going to be good for gaming.

          • Xboner2013

            “and since when physics limits have stop human from achieving great stuff”

            Okay, go up to a tall building, imagine you are bird and start flopping those imaged wings… come back and let us know how that turns out.

            “It has been a commercial success.”

            So, I never said it couldn’t be a commercial success, matter of fact the first one was… kind of like the Pet Rock or American Idols.

          • StudioMultimédia Gon’Interacti

            i felt on your mother, she was happy about it. (now that i have reach your level of intelligence, i hope you are happy)

          • Does Not Equal

            They’re not eliminating controller gameplay, if that’s your worry. Were that the case, a lot more of us would be out.

          • Alex watchtower

            Amazing you get this about Kinect, but don’t get it about digital games.

            A lot of us are now out.

          • Alex watchtower

            Get Orange.

            My grandmother lives in Eastern Europe, on a farm, and she has a cell phone and internet and everyone there uses U.K. Xbox Live Accounts. So it’s certainly not because you can’t get it.

            You can still hold the controller in your hands. It’s a camera, not waggle sticks. And even if you don’t want to use hand gestures Kinect will recognize your British accent just fine to have access to hundreds or even thousands of commands WHILE still playing with your controller.

            In fact, even better. I’m sure they use proper English for voice recognition.

          • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

            Am from Yorkshire mate tha wunt understand mi. Eh?

          • Alex watchtower

            It will pick that up just fine.

          • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

            No it won’t because I’m not buying one.

          • Austin Pacheco

            Then use the controller it was never goingtop. Ive been playing xbox since halo 1 lan parties i know the feeling and i have no regrets for kinect necause im not thnking of all the kid games and flailing. Im looking forward to voice commands and skype and many other thingseven forthe more hardcore titles. Its progression and will have its uses bash it all u like its better than the other systems and their wands because it actually has use and i agree with alex

          • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

            I’m not saying you shouldn’t be able to use it, I’m saying it should be optional. Besides the console sales will speak for themselves.

          • Does Not Equal

            In this case, I’m pretty sure the sales for both sides will be impressive.

          • Austin Pacheco

            It is optional in the settings menu. There is your option. Only u can choose to use it or not.

          • MotherNelson

            great. now let me UNPLUG it and put it away in a closet… or even better, sell it on ebay and get my $100 back.

          • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

            My idea of optional is not having to have it physically plugged into the console and not having to purchase it in the first place.

          • MotherNelson

            that’s great, for you. we want YOU to enjoy Kinect because THATS what YOU want to do. Forcing it on everyone is not a good thing for MS. NOT EVERYONE WANTS KINECT.

          • Austin Pacheco

            Again it has an off switch. If u dont want toi u dont have to use it . U might get this concept assuming u have kids. Its the principal as having a condom , better to have it and not need it than need it and not have one. U may want it in the future if u have lil ones running around or friends. Or whatever its totally optional buti stress again and again ts up to u it may come with it but not manditory use

          • MotherNelson

            I don’t mind it coming in the box. Let me unplug it. Let me put it in the closet. IF I decide that I want to use it, I’ll plug it in. This is a liability and a DOWNgrade. The wii had that STUPID, annoying sensor bar, but at least you could upplug it or get a wireless one. I don’t want to have this retarded camera tethered to my console 24/7. In an age of wireless controllers and convenient HDMI cords, this is a step backwards as far as practicality.

          • Alex watchtower

            Which they would have if they didn’t support it,

            I would never buy one.
            The 25+ million people who bought the original and didn’t get support…would probably not buy one again.
            All those casual folks who liked the Wii – would probably not care about the Xbox One.

            That and cloud networking is the ONLY thing left that makes the Xbox One interesting.

          • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

            Sorry but i don’t agree with you. I’m sure we’ll find out over the next year or so.

          • Bush O Connor

            you get my vote jaffa

          • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

            What a ridiculous thing to say.

          • MrRadiolips

            You analogy is something like a kindergartener would explain. Isnt it funny how the less intelligent are the ones who want it?

        • Alex watchtower

          Yeah they do. They care about the rest of us who want Kinect supported and don’t just want to play freaking Call of Duty and Forza FOREVER!

          • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

            You’ll be playing Call of Duty and Forza with Kinect enhanced features.

            I’m sorry but the words “Kinect” and “enhanced” really don’t belong in the same sentence.

          • Alex watchtower

            No I will be able to talk to my Marines in Halo 5 and give them commands, just like I can use voice recognition in Spark or use it to attract attention of Zombies in Dead Rising 3.

            I will use it all the time as an integral gameplay element.

            Otherwise I’m not buying CoD or Forza.

            I’ll play only games like Fantasia, Spark, DR3, Kinect Sports Rivals, Crimson Dragon, Ryse, …basically anything that uses Kinect.

            I’ve played Forza. Played CoD. Play it once, know it forever. BORING!

          • Xboner2013

            You can do that without the Kinect, there are Xbox 360 games and other platforms that use voice recognition before the Kinect even existed.

          • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

            I can’t think of anything i’d find more annoying and tedious than talking to my Xbox, apart from making hand gestures at it. I don’t like talking to people mate so why would i want to talk to my console?

          • Alex watchtower

            So don’t. Who’s making you?

            Don’t try and take my chocolate just cause you don’t like.

          • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

            I’m not trying to take it, I’m saying it should be optional.

          • Bibo Bird

            That is the same as Kinect wouldnt be interesting enough for developers. Go buy your fking ps4 i dont even understand why ure here. PS4 seems to be just right for u, so just get,happy,with ur console and stop,pissing other ppl off

          • MotherNelson

            That’s a lie. people said that about xbox 360′s OPTIONAL hard drive. We all know how that turned out.

          • Bibo Bird

            U cannot compare that. The old Kinect was not reliable enough. But the New one can Do the stuff the old one should have done already but couldnt. i mean the new one can hear the stuff u say reliably and it works in all possible circumstances…

          • MotherNelson

            you’ve missed my point. Back in 2005, people said that since the xbox 360 CORE doesn’t come with a hard drive, developers wouldn’t develop for it. That obviously wans’t true. Every game that utilized the hard drive, did. simple as that. the console STILL FUNCTIONED without the hard drive as xbox one can STILL FUNCTION without a Kinect. Also, devs will STILL develop For Kinect without missing a step. you guys are paranoid about nothing. no dev has said “we’re not developing for Kinect because it’s not there’

          • Bibo Bird

            watch my comment above….

          • MotherNelson

            this has nothing to do with Kinect. this has to do with speculation that devs are influenced by irrelevant details.

          • Xboner2013

            24 million of those stupid kinects were sold, the reason why developers have dumped them have nothing to do with sales… it’s basic physics really.

          • Bibo Bird

            cannot compare that. The old Kinect was not reliable enough. But the New one can Do the stuff the old one should have done already but couldnt. i mean the new one can hear the stuff u say reliably and it works in all possible circumstances…

          • MotherNelson

            well great! :D! glad we got that solved. the new Kinect is better… but guess what?

            Let me unplug it because I don’t want it.

            what happens when you go on vacation and you find out that the air port threw your bag into a bin, and it broke your Kinect? your xbox one is a $500 paperweight. Congratulations.

          • Bibo Bird

            If u go on vacation with an xbox one ure a poor lonely Little nerd. And the console itself might break anyways. it just pointless. How old are u man, 13 ?

          • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

            That’s a ridiculous thing to say. I’m in my 30′s and I’ve taken my console with me all over the world.

          • Bibo Bird

            U must be a sad lonely man lol

          • MotherNelson

            HEY LOOK EVERYONE, IT’S SHANIQUA 1990. I’ve spent the last hour arguing with a troll… oiy vey.

          • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

            A gamer calling a gamer sad for playing games? You t*t.

          • Bibo Bird

            Not for playing games per se
            but for playing them on vacation
            YES it is actually a sad thing to do =/
            ask some ppl with a life, they will agree with me.

          • MotherNelson

            I like how you didn’t reply to my response. ^_^ it’s okay, I know that you know that i’m right. you don’t have to say it. *muah* Mother loves you.

          • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

            You’re making assumptions about my life mate. I never said anything about vacation.

          • Bibo Bird

            Well i was talking with that kid who must not be named about taking an xbox on vacation until u jumped in. So i assumed u are doing that stuff too. But if not and u travel a lot for other reasons i have to say: DEAL WITH IT. it is the minority that travels along with their console man.

          • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

            Such a lovely Microsoftesque attitude.

          • deltafarce411

            While Don Matrick is at home watching you talk to your TV

          • deltafarce411

            Pretty simple have two SKU’s one with the Kinect for those that think its such a revolution to have and another SKU without the Kinect for us gamers that don’t want to use the Kinect for 399

          • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

            Sounds reasonable to me.

          • Bibo Bird

            It is bullshit. The only way to make kinect worthwhile is to make it mandatory so that developers can be sure theyre developing for every single one. u guys are just too short minded.

          • Bush O Connor

            but the people who dont want it will not make use of it in games.

            i just hope its optional to use it in games unless they’re Kinect games.

          • Bibo Bird

            Well i partially agree, but i am pretty Sure that developers will Do some crazy stuff with it. They just have to figure it out yer. but they will Over the longrun. This Innovation would be stopped by making it optional cuz developers wouldnt care. It is that easy

          • MotherNelson

            That’s *NOT* true. You’re lying to yourself. Devs are going to do what devs are going to do. period. The INCLUSION of Kinect MAY persuade devs to develop for it, but making it MANDATORY has no weight. even if it did it’s a stupid gamble. Again.. NOT ALL PEOPLE CAN USE Kinect, therefor it shouldn’t be implemented in all games.

          • Bibo Bird

            It is just natural to assume developers WILL use Kinect if it is mandatory:
            1. They know, it is available to EVERYONE not to just 20% of the target Group. Which means they do not limit their future sales per se dude.
            2.
            -If it is available to everyone, they will try to use it in a way to make the experience of THEIR OWN games BETTER than the other games
            -Once a developer has accomplished this Goal and the Gamers dont want to miss certain Features anymore
            other developers will do the same and even try to develop better experiences.
            this is called competition man, it is as easy as that.
            But step one is crucial

          • MotherNelson

            1) it’s not available to EVERYONE. because not EVERYONE wants to use it. Not EVERYONE can speak. NOT EVERYONE can move their arms/shoulders/legs/neck. This isn’t a perfect world and people have Physical and Mental limitations. some people are afraid of it. Also, some people just DONT want it. They have that right.

            2) see number 1.

          • Bibo Bird

            well 99,99% of the target group does. AND IT IS STILL POSSIBLE TO MAKE THE KINECT FEATURES IN THE GAME OPTIONAL !

          • MotherNelson

            THEN MAKE THE KINECT OPTIONAL TOO SO THAT I CAN BUY AN XBOX ONE AND SPEND ALL MY MONEY ON IT!

          • Bibo Bird

            Omg ure just too stupid my friend. Just buy a fking ps4. I wouldnt even consider to post on a ps4 blog and try to make them make the PS EYE mandatory. Whats your Point, just get a ps4 if u dont have the 100$ or ask your mommy to increase your weekly allowance

          • MotherNelson

            LOL you really don’t pay attention do you? I have more money than you’ll ever make in your lifetime.

            I hate sony. I want the xbox one. but not like this… hell no.

          • Bibo Bird

            Sry bro, talking to u is like talking to my 5 year old cousin =/
            Well no thats not completely true since i like my cousin.

          • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

            They will limit their sales because a lot of people won’t buy the console in the first place because of the inclusion of Kinect.

          • Bibo Bird

            That is fortunately not the decision of the developers, but Microsofts :) And I am glad this is the case !

          • MotherNelson

            THAT IS NOT TRUE. What about Paraplegics that can’t use Kinect? Theres NO WAY that you can justify Kinect being USED in EVERY SINGLE GAME. You’re an idiot if you think that they should.

          • Bibo Bird

            Stop embarrassing yourself. I am not talking about u have to run around in every game. I guess u know that

          • MotherNelson

            “so that developers can be sure theyre developing for every single one”

            those are YOUR words, not mine. you said “every single one” Why don’t you take the time to explain what that means.

          • MotherNelson

            Kinect can still be supported without being MANDATORY.

        • deltafarce411

          Being with Xbox for 10 years my pre-order still stands with the PS4 unless they dump the Kinect, if not hello Sony

          • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

            Same here mate, I’ve been with Xbox for over 10 years and my PS4 preorder is still ready to go.

          • deltafarce411

            Be nice to swap gamertags with fellow dislocated Xbox Live members that are making the move at the end of this year.

        • pbot

          The kinect is the Orwellian part people were carrying on about. If you’re going to bash, at least get your dystopian references straightened out. Aside from the price point, I really can’t see myself complaining about this glorified webcam in our world of GPS tracked cell phones, google search, facebook, and gmail advertisement targeting etc. If you were really privacy proponents you’re coming into the game a little late attacking something that’s by far not your biggest problem and allows you far more user controlled privacy than say, your cell phone or the sites you visit on the internet. Be honest, it’s in part because it’s Microsoft. If you don’t believe them when they say you can turn it off and that when in the consoles low power state it’s only listening for the words “xbox on” (a feature you can also disable), then there is nothing that they or anyone else can say to persuade you otherwise.

          • MotherNelson

            The ONLINE checkins is also considered Orwellian. If you’re going to try to correct me, at least make sure you’ve got your s**t together. cell phones, fine. Military equipment. fine. I DO have my methods of limiting those. YOU cannot limit your xbox. “pausing/disabling” Kinect is NOT the same thing as removing ALL power from it. It’s going to be ON in some sense of the word, taking minimal voltage. If I can “disable” it, then why can’t I unplug it?

            answer: because it’s not really disabled. it doesn’t “need” to be connected… they just WANT it to be connected.

          • Shane Nokes

            So, slice open the casing and drop a tap on the wire and see if power is feeding into it, and what data is being transmitted back and forth.

            It’s really that easy to verify things…but having reality intrude on your want for there to be a conspiracy ruins things.

          • MotherNelson

            please, I don’t WANT a conspiracy. My only goal here is to be able to unplug the damn thing and leave it at home when I go to fight for YOUR freedom, little man.

            I plan on slicing it open and doing my own mods as I’ve done with various tablets and my alienware, but WHY should I have to? I shouldn’t. I just want to unplug it. let me unplug it. omfg, can I just unplug it please? please? is that sooo much to ask?

          • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

            Apparently choice is no longer an acceptable word for MS.

          • MotherNelson

            Then they don’t get my money. (neither will sony, because I hate them with a passion.)

          • Shane Nokes

            Good…now go away. If you have no intention of even being involved in this gen find another hobby and go terrorize those folks.

          • Shane Nokes

            A real member of the Armed Services doesn’t feel the need to repeatedly point out their service like it makes them better.

            Then again a lot of folks (not all) in this newer generation think that they deserve everything for fighting.

            I know a lot of older vets (including my grandfather who was a test pilot in WWII) would love to smack some newer service members around for acting like entitled children who think they automatically deserve respect.

            Respect isn’t just about what you do, but how you do it. Demanding respect by trying to pump up your own ego just instantly makes me say, “Huh…another whiny entitled service member who thinks I should kiss their feet.”

          • pbot

            “Orwellian” refers to privacy concerns. The DRM concerns aren’t about privacy it’s ownership and licensing. A far as the other stuff, if it’s not watching you, it’s in my opinion functionally off and you’re basing your privacy concerns on semantics.

          • Shane Nokes

            Indeed. It’s like these folks just read up on a site and heard Orwellian and Draconian and thought they knew what they meant so they keep using them.

          • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

            You’re right Shane it really makes me want to fluctuate.

          • Shane Nokes

            I just wish people would stop trying to talk about all these conspiracy theories like they have a genuine reason for concern.

            Price concerns? Fine.
            Privacy concerns? Holy bajeezus…not even a concern due to how much control you have over the settings and such.

            Heck even if you didn’t want to drop a tap on the wires you could just monitor your router traffic and intercept or inspect the packets going out. It’s not that hard to see what’s really leaving your own household.

            People just don’t like things being disproven…it means they have to find something new to be scared of.

          • MotherNelson

            MANDATORY internet connection is a privacy concern. What if xbox live gets hacked (because it’ll never happen) and someone wipes out my licenses… What if my password is Phished and all my licenses are transferred?

          • Shane Nokes

            If you get phished that’s your problem, since you gave your information away. Perhaps learn how to spot a phishing attempt and take responsibility for your own information?

          • pbot

            Really!? So now the entire internet is Orwellian? What if somebody breaks into your house and steals your xbox. Are you not going to buy one because somebody could do that?

        • donnyskillz

          gonna tell you like i told that last one…who cares, …and to be frank…if you were not gonna buy it you wouldnt be here telling everybody your not gonna buy it, just dont buy it…but we all know your gonna buy it, your just a blowhard running off at his mouth,

    • donnyskillz

      you came here to ell us that you wont buy it, you wasted that time and effort to do something that didnt require any time or effort….just dont buy it, you dont have to tell anyone….we dont care…i repeat…we dont care, what you hoped to achieve is that someone will say….ok alright…were gonna remove the kinect, so you couyld then say …yeaaaa…i got them to change it,…not gonna happen..

  • Xboner2013

    The people whining about whiny have always had a special place in my heart, very interest to say the least.

    What “innovation” have you lost?

    • Alex watchtower

      A full price digital game can no longer be traded, shared and once I’m done with it, it is completely value-less.

      Pay full price for a digital game, stuck with it. What everyone hated for physical discs – completely there for digital.

      • Does Not Equal

        That’s exactly how it is now. You lost nothing because you never had it in the first place.

        • Alex watchtower

          Yeah I did. That’s why it’s going to require an updated day 1 to get rid of it.

          • Does Not Equal

            No, sir, you had nothing. You had a concept that had not been implemented. You had words on a computer screen. You had an intangible; a non-entity. Those are created and destroyed every single day.

          • Alex watchtower

            You are an intangible entity too. Just words on a computer screen. Ignorant words at that.

            So are your video games. And your digital music. And digital movies. And websites. And everything on the internet.

          • Does Not Equal

            No, I’m a real person who communicates with you via words on a computer screen. I actually exist. The digital games you could trade never existed. This is all pretty obvious.

            All of my digital media is intangible, but it also exists, because it can be copied, deleted, or altered. This is obvious as well.

            The Xbox One’s ability to trade or share digital media was a plan, but that plan was never realized and has since been shelved. Therefore, your constant bemoaning of what you “lost” was something you never had in the first place. You can’t lose something that never existed. If you lost anything, it was an opportunity and nothing more. For good or ill, the status quo was upheld.

          • Shane Nokes

            Actually it did exist. I worked on it. It just had not been released to the public.

          • Does Not Equal

            As far as the general public was concerned, it didn’t exist. The guy keeps talking as though it was a thing he was using that got taken away, when in truth it was never available to him in the first place.

          • Shane Nokes

            I understand the view point of saying that he never had it. I was just saying that it did exist and a lot of folks put a lot of hard work into it. :)

        • DrToker

          Well, by your definition people complained about an online-DRM that didn’t exist and they should just have shut up.

          • Does Not Equal

            Not at all. They’re glad that an online DRM setup was avoided — it was also a concept, but it was retracted. They’re relieved that it didn’t come to pass.

          • DrToker

            And we are unhappy about it.

          • Bush O Connor

            but you guys are outnumbered. majority vote wins

          • Shane Nokes

            That comment only applies if there was an vote taken in which every person was accounted for.

            People who are not happy tend to speak up or yell louder and more often.

            I honestly think you’ve never heard of the ‘vocal minority’ concept.

          • Bush O Connor

            for microsoft to change shane it must have been a pre-order vote.

            we have been screaming on here for better cheaper deals, the vocal minority. the masses must be still paying the asking price because the sales are still the same.

          • Does Not Equal

            I never would have known.

      • Xboner2013

        MS could have done it and still can, nothing stopping them other than they were not going to do the sharing thing anyway (and I said so), and they were going to get sued big time on the whole used game thing… it’s called collusion and price fixing.

        You didn’t lose anything, as you were never getting what they said, which is why they didn’t give details at E3 and why they did not give details after E3.

        • Alex watchtower

          Sure they could have. The only way they would do it though is if the same people that screamed against DRM would get together and scream about digital games as well.

          Why the heck would you want your digital games to be worthless?

          • Does Not Equal

            Then you might as well start railing against Apple, because you can’t resell your downloaded iTunes MP3s, either.

          • Xboner2013

            I can trade and sell my mp3, sure bet I can.

          • Does Not Equal

            If you find a moron who’ll buy MP3s from you — which you’ll get to keep as well — then by all means, enjoy your free money.

          • Bush O Connor

            digital has no real world value to me anyway

          • Xboner2013

            I don’t sell them, but I can. I usually just give family/friends the ability to stream off my servers. :)

          • Does Not Equal

            That’s not selling, anyway, that’s copying. Selling would be if you transferred the rights and gave up the files as a result.

          • Xboner2013

            I said I dont sell. That is not copying, I copy nothing. I do not have to transfer for someone to use, it’s just like a CD.

          • Does Not Equal

            Go ahead and pretend you don’t understand what I mean.

          • Xboner2013

            Actually I do copy… .I have backups in case my servers go down… this is covered by fair use.

          • Audioslave

            Apple is cheaper. They succeed because their music was cheaper than the CD and the apps and games too.

          • Does Not Equal

            That wasn’t the point, though.

          • Audioslave

            It is.You don’t care about reselling if it’s cheap…

          • Does Not Equal

            Who doesn’t?

          • Audioslave

            No. People scream about DISC based system, not digital. Digital downloads can’t be resold on 360, so people don’t care.
            MS can do both. Let the disc based system like it was on 360 and have the digital download system with their DRM, sharing etc.

          • Xboner2013

            I think I agree with what you are saying, I pretty much stay away from DD, in general. At the end of the day, most of them are rentals unless you can transfer, use and backup without the permission of a third party.

          • Bibo Bird

            I am sure they will implement those things step by step. So dont worry too much. I totally agree with u tho.

          • ElektroDragon

            If they had said: We are making physical and digital essentially the same. And you will have the same resale rights across the board as do you with physical. We are going to set up a managed marketplace where your used digital licenses can be resold and where both we and developers get a cut, and you get some of your money back. And you can rent games because all physical games not tied to your account have a 60 minute limit for demo purposes. Oh and for your family we will give you a include a proximity based DRM sensor for a low price of $19.99 that you can plug in to your console. You can have up to 5 members of your family all playing the game at the same time on different consoles in your house as long as the proximity sensor is active.

            IF they had said all that, I don’t think ANYONE would have had a problem. But that digital future I came up with in 3 minutes is WAY better for everyone that the garbage bad DRM laden digital future they took years to come up with in board meetings!!

          • xbox rules

            Its up to the developers if they want to imbrace drm and I bet u that we are going to see more games like defiance coming soon.

          • ElektroDragon

            They were worthless before too!

      • ElektroDragon

        A digital game purchase could NEVER have been sold before! Only the physical copy could.. with restrictions! WAKE UP!

        • Bibo Bird

          And u think that this is actually right and fair ?

          • ElektroDragon

            No, I don’t. But it’s the facts. I would love to see a model where you could resell ALL digital copies of software. And obviously only DRM will allow that. But there is good DRM and bad DRM. And the old policy was mostly bad DRM.

  • david_hoyland

    Hey Major Nelson,

    Hows project fortaleza coming along?

    Can we expect it next year?

  • Bush O Connor

    DRM is innovation? better graphics and AI is what i would call next gen.

    • Xboner2013

      If they created a system where you can transfer, use, and backup your purchased product without the use of a third party, then I would think it would be step towards innovation.

      Building a system where it’s just one big expensive rental system, I would say that’s like going back to the cave days.

  • Audioslave

    Innovation ? It was a big hassle…

    They still can innovate with digital downloads and do the same stuff they planned to do. It’s up to them.

  • ElektroDragon

    Wow, 10000 comments! I am buying both consoles! Bring on the awesome exclusives, Microsoft!

    • ElektroDragon

      Wow, it seems that if you want to buy the Xbox One you are now hated by both pro-DRM and anti-DRM camps for different reasons! HA! Well too bad, haters, I’m buying both and will enjoy both, though Xbox will probably be an exclusives machine, only because its not as powerful.

      • Does Not Equal

        It’s not as powerful this generation, either.

        • ElektroDragon

          Not true.

          • Does Not Equal

            If so, how have I been able to respond to comments here? If you want to clarify something, skip the insult and just clarify.

          • ElektroDragon

            Sorry. I didn’t understand your comment at first. I did clarify.

          • Shane Nokes

            They didn’t insult you. They weren’t calling you anything. They said that the system was gimped, as in it was held back or crippled by…

            That wasn’t about you…unless you’re secretly a PS3 in disguise. ;)

          • Does Not Equal

            What are you talking about?

          • Shane Nokes

            You originally had in a response about an insult, which you edited later on. That’s what I had replied to before you edited it.

            You also edited this reply as the one I received in my e-mail inbox doesn’t match the text here either.

          • Does Not Equal

            The whole conversation was edited. Best to read via the site instead of pre-edits.

          • Shane Nokes

            I actually did read it via the site as opposed to pre-edits. The only one that I saw first as a pre-edit was what you wrote to me.

            The other one from you I saw on the site. I didn’t however see the ElektroDragon comment before their edit.

            Disqus needs to add an edited time tag so we know if stuff has been edited before we read it. ;)

          • ElektroDragon

            It’s my fault. I originally misunderstood his comment and accused him of not being able to read. Which I then edited out. :D

          • Dylan

            This next generation isn’t about which machine is more powerful. The PS3 was powerful, but it was so hard to develop for it, as you mentioned.

            The PS4 is more powerful, but its just all a bunch of numbers I won’t bore you with.

            This generation, is about ease for the developers. Which machine is easier for the people who make the games, to reach their full potential?

            I don’t know the answer to that to be honest. I would guess the PS4, due to it actually being built by developer suggestions.
            The RAM and stuff is just the icing on the cake.

            Couple that and self-publishing and free updates, I think it is safe to say which console will have more developers.

            That’s my point of view anyway.

          • Does Not Equal

            I go where the games are, and who’s done right by me in the past. The Xbox was very good to me, so the 360 was a day-one purchase for me. I’d say the same about the XBO if I could scrape the money together. (Before someone says anything, even $400 would be tricky for me right now.)

          • Dylan

            Well consoles are usually not so great at launch so waiting for one is a wise choice, even if it is because of necessity.

            If it was 2007, I would agree with you, but Microsoft has frustrated me as a fan these past years (not about XBO), and then the Xbox One thing happened, and that was the reason that pushed me to leave.

            I’ll get one eventually with these policies being removed, but I don’t have a reason to make it my primary platform anymore.
            I’m giving it the PS3 treatment.
            I’ll get it for exclusives eventually, but it really has no advantages, just negatives.

            At launch Xbox One will have more AAA exclusives.
            But I just don’t see that staying that way for long.
            Especially since Sony has jumped from 150 developers working on the PS4, to 500+ since February.

            Free to Play will jump (and is) to the platform with it not being blocked by PS+, and I think the independent scene will explode there as well.
            And Sony has some PREMIER developers. We haven’t even seen what Naughty Dog is up to yet.

  • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

    If MS want to run the risk of pushing away a large portion of their long term customer base just so they can get developers to shoehorn Kinect features into games then they’ll have to accept that Sony may overtake them next gen as the leaders in the console market.

    • Bibo Bird

      Actually it might also increase their market share. If some developer finds a really awesome and useful way to implement kinect features in AAA games which improves ppls experiences, the playstation will be the worse System because the playstation eye is simply bullshit and won’t deliver the new game experience the way the kinect is going to do it.

      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        Never going to happen.

      • Andy Wilding

        Hopefully its optional, so that people who dont care dont have to use it. Yeah most people might use the kinect functions in games initially for a “thats cool” moment but then will spend the rest of its entirety being switched off.

        PS may be a worse system in YOUR eyes just because you see it as inferior but in my eyes it is perfect as I have NO USE for motion controls.

    • wings of a badger

      You really have to stop obsessing over the Kinect dude.just leave it as it is going nowhere as it is an integral part of the system and is not just for the games.

      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        It’s that integral you can switch it off via the settings menu and use the controller for navigating.

        • Does Not Equal

          I imagine that’s the option many of us will choose.

        • wings of a badger

          Well if thats the case whats the problem ?

          • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

            I don’t want to have it connected to the console.

            I don’t want to pay for it.

            I don’t want it cluttering up my TV stand.

          • deltafarce411

            Agreed, don’t need another box on top of another box cluttering up my entertainment center not to mention the extra wires plus a cable box. So just to get the features from the Xbox ONE you need a subscription to a cable provider with a box (wired) Xbox LIVE Gold, Kinect (wired), console (wired), not to mention the power cables, HDMI, and ethernet cable for those that hard wire their console.

          • http://www.youtube.com/love4musicuk Jason

            Then quit your complaining and cross the Xbox One off your consoles to buy list. Geesh.

          • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

            It isn’t on my list to cross off.

          • http://www.youtube.com/love4musicuk Jason

            Then why are you even bothered about if it comes with Kinect or not?

          • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

            Because if the Kinect sensor wasn’t included it would be on my list.

          • http://www.youtube.com/love4musicuk Jason

            Well it is included. It’s a big part of how the system works so I really can’t see them changing that for the sake of a group of potential buyers.

          • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

            I think that depends on how well the system sells with it included. I suppose we’ll find out within the next year.

          • http://www.youtube.com/love4musicuk Jason

            I guess so. It looks like it’s going to sell well enough for them to not make changes though. :/

          • wings of a badger

            Then buy a PS4.

  • Ryan Lanford

    I guess Microsoft doesn’t care that we don’t want Kinect? Should I buy a PS4 or stick with PC and maybe get a wiiU?

    • Shane Nokes

      Sorry, say you, not we. Some of us do want the Kinect. It’s impolite to use we without specifying a specific group size or stating that it’s a limited set size group.

      If you don’t want the Xbox, then buy what you think will fit you best. That’s what anyone should do. Buy what you want.

      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        I want the Xbox One without the Kinect please. Where can i buy that?

        • Does Not Equal

          Not in this reality.

          • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

            Not yet.

        • Xboner2013

          Sony store, Nintendo store, and coming soon the Valve store, all come to mind. Or just stick with what you have, see no real rush to buy anything right now.

          • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

            I’m getting a PS4 anyway but i usually get both. This gen though i have done 90% of my gaming on the 360 instead of the PS3. Guess that isn’t going to happen now. If MS ever do decide to come to their senses and release a non Kinect version then i might pick one up.

      • ElektroDragon

        I don’t really mind paying for Kinect because as a beta tester I never paid for my first Kinect. And thank god I didn’t because I’ve pretty much hated it since day 1 of beta. Totally imprecise and fickle. If this one fixes that, I don’t mind paying for it.

        But in my case I feel the Kinect beta period never ended. We were all guinea pigs.

        • Shane Nokes

          This one is a lot better based on what I’m hearing from folks that work on it, and from what I’ve seen in the demos. I haven’t gotten to play with it myself as of yet though.

    • Does Not Equal

      Yes. That’s exactly what you should do.

 

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