May 24th 2013 2:30 pm PT

Show 478: Xbox One and Remedy Entertainment

Host: Larry Hryb, Xbox LIVE's Major Nelson (Xbox LIVE ) (Twitter)

Co-host : e (Xbox LIVE ) (Twitter)

Co-host : lollip0p (Xbox LIVE) (Twitter)

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Interview: Sam Lake, Remedy Entertainment (23:41 - 38:24)

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  • jlh

    Hi Major Nelson,

    I hope you can answer a question for me or at least tell me when the official answers might be released. I am preordering Madden’s Anniversary edition and signing up for Directv’s NFL Sunday Ticket will the Xbox One work with a satellite box? If it doesn’t I will have to go with uVerse instead. Thanks!!!

    • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

      I know you’re wanting an answer from Major Nelson.

      What model of satellite box do you have?

      I’m sure that Microsoft is working hard to make XBOX ONE work with as many different satellite boxes and cable boxes as possible but it may be asking a bit much for Larry to give a comprehensive answer at this point, especially when he doesn’t know what model you have.

      • jlh

        I’m actually not sure about the satellite box that Directv uses. I was really just interested in if Xbox One would work with the Directv service at all since it is satellite or if it will be limited to working only with cable companies.
        I’m kind of up against a time limit to find out because I would like to sign up for Directv and the NFL package as early as possible (August maybe) while the Xbox One is more than likely not going to launch until later in the year. I certainly wouldn’t want to be tied to a 2 year contract if the system doesn’t work with satellite. Hopefully they will announce more about it at E3.

    • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

      i have to agree with nate on this. im sure E3 is going to explain everything that needs to be explained.

  • Jeremy Filth

    It’s what he does best anyways.

  • fantomena

    Seems like the comments section on most /maybe all YT videoes on the official Xbox channel is closed. Wonder why…

    • Does Not Equal

      A constant flood of the same complaints over and over? Valid or not, it’d get old, I’m sure.

      • Dylan

        Until they fix the problems, they deserve to barraged.
        Their products are made by consumer demand, not the other way around.
        You betray the very fanbase that got you so successful, you deserved to be brought back to Earth, hopefully it’ll be humbling experience for them.

        • jlh

          What problems? I watched the entire reveal conference & architecture stream twice and I didn’t see any problems. I have read quite a lot about the console from various sites and I didn’t read about any “problems”. The only “problems” that I have witnessed over the last few days have been extremely rude, ignorant trolls infesting the comments section of every gaming site pulling worst case scenarios out of thin air to down the Xbox One and the people who are working on it.

          • Dylan

            Sure I’ll lay them out for you. They didn’t say these things at the conference because it would piss people off.
            First of all, I’ve had an Xbox since the original. and I’m here hoping they can fix these things, because I don’t believe in blind brand loyalty

            First, the facts.
            1) Required Internet
            This alienates most of the planet, and really is just a push for DRM

            2) Forced Kinect.
            When you have a controller, there is no credible reason to force it to be plugged in.
            Likely done because of patent Microsoft turned in, which would charge people money whenever someone walked in.
            Which is a serious privacy issue.

            3) The Xbox One is supposed to be a cable box. But it does not actually replace the cable box. So what is the point?
            And only works in the US.

            Okay now the not-facts yet.
            1) Used games.
            Microsoft VP Phil Harrison said himself that used games would need a fee, and the fee would not be required as long as you used the same profile

            However, Microsoft has said there is no fee.
            But it has been found out that the fee will be given to Retailers.
            So the retailers will charge more for used games, and give less for trading in. Effectively, violating your first right of sale rights, and really a hidden charge.

            Am I an ignorant troll?

          • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

            1) Required Internet

            Like it or hate it, this is what Microsoft is betting on.

            If you live in a city in the US, you almost certainly have good options for Internet.

            If you are temporarily in a remote location like a beach house or cabin up in the mountains, you might be able to still use your cell phone to set up a mobile hotspot.

            If you are in a remote location where you can’t use your smartphone’s tethering as a mobile hotspot, Microsoft has made your decision for you – either stick with XBOX 360 (which they have plans to continue to support) or get a PC, PS4, or Wii U.

            2) Required Kinect
            See my reply above: #comment-908573241

            3) False Premise
            The XBOX ONE is not meant to be a cable box.
            It is only meant to be a painless way of accessing it.
            If they had intended it to be a cable/satellite box replacement then it would be.

          • ElektroDragon

            Yeah, pressing ONE button on my remote to switch to TV is SO much more painful that saying “Xbox TV”. If they HAD made it a real TiVO-like box with a cablecard slot and tuner, I would have bought it for that reason alone (and exclusives). As it stands now? Pretty useless, and underpowered.

          • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

            @ElectoDragon,

            I didn’t say that switching inputs is too difficult for me or you.

            Have you ever lost your remote?
            Are you going to tell me that saying, “XBOX TV” is not faster than finding a lost remote?

            I actually agree with you. I wish that the XBOX ONE had a tuner built into it so that the satellite box/cable box was completely unnecessary and yes, I’m a bit worried at reports of how much more powerful PS4 is than XBOX ONE.

            I saw Sony kill Sega with more powerful hardware and I’ve seen several great Microsoft products fail to sell well even though there were design-wise and technilogically just as good or better than their competitors, so I’m a bit concerned that this might be a repeat.

          • jlh

            Your points are indeed ignorant but it is not just you it is a whole host of so-called enraged hardcore gamers who don’t have a clue about how any of this works but who have convinced themselves that the Xbox One is pure evil. Rumors ≠ facts!

            Yes the Xbox One is designed to be connected which is not the same as always online. That has been stated multiple times but everyone just glosses over that because I guess it’s not controversial enough. MS will discuss the specifics either at E3 or before so how is it a problem when you don’t even know how it is supposed to work.

            If the Kinect breaks it is just another part of your console, if it’s under warranty it will be fixed or exchanged for a new one and if it’s not under warranty you buy another one. Yes the Kinect has to be connected to the console which is a good thing because it allows developers to program games knowing that every single Xbox One owner has a Kinect. MS are not spying on you, if you are that paranoid just turn the camera around. The current freak out about Kinect being able to pinpoint the number of people in a room and charge more for PPV is a rumor. Again you are jumping to a lot of conclusions based on worst case scenarios with zero real knowledge about the situation.

            The Xbox One was not revealed as a cable box. There was a rumor (do you see the pattern) that MS were negotiating with cable companies to have them use the Xbox One as a set top box similar to the way the 360 was used as a set top box in the past. That may or may not happen. To my knowledge MS has never commented on those rumors since they don’t comment on rumors. And regarding them launching their tv services in the US, it is extremely difficult to navigate through the licensing and jurisdictional obstacle course that exists in other parts of the world. I’m sure that they will sign on additional partners in other countries but for now the US is a go for launch and other territories will be added later which is not at all different from the way most apps and services happened on the 360.

            They are not violating your right to sell or trade your games. It has been said multiple times since Tuesday, even by Gamestop the biggest used game retailer, that the Xbox One does not prevent gamers from selling or trading their games. Everything else that has been said about this is yet another rumor.

          • Dylan

            Reading that, I don’t think you even bothered to read my post.

            I don’t know why you refuse to listen to any of my points, but that is your problem.
            I will listen to yours however, if you treat critics with respect, instead of regarding everyone as “ignorant trolls”

            Everything that was a fact, I labelled it that way.
            Things that weren’t, I didn’t say they were.

            I never said always online. And never implied that.
            However, the requiring of internet is just as bad.
            It is an anti-piracy device. One that will monitor everything you do. Everything you play. Every purchase you make.
            One that restricts your gaming, in many ways.
            It will be sold as a feature, not a hindrance, but there is no feature that would justify it.

            Similar to the SimCity fiasco.

            But EA it seems has learned, for now they have announced in a panic due to XboxOne backlash, that more games are coming for Wii U, and the Ultimate Team game mode in Fifa is not an exclusive.

            As with Kinect 2, I said it was required to be put in, which is a fact.
            And I mentioned the Patent, which is real, I didn’t say that it was a FACT that it would be implemented.

            Instead you decided to regard me as a troll, without even bothering to see whether I had points to make.
            It seems you’ve chalked up this controversy to whiny trolls that are the vocal minority.

            You are mistaken.
            This is very wide-spread.

            But you don’t have to listen to me, you can search the internet and learn for yourself.

          • jlh

            Dylan,

            This post of yours is what I am talking about when I say that too many are working themselves into a rage for nothing.

            If you go back and watch the conference then you will see that Ultimate team was never an exclusive. He said that there would be “exclusive content” for the ultimate team mode for Xbox One not that the entire mode of play was exclusive. You (and others) have half listened to what was said, twisted it into something that was not true in the first place and when the truth is clarified you are acting as if EA are backpedeling when in reality they never said any such thing. Do you understand why it is a frustrating experience for someone to read those kinds of leaping to conclusions arguments at every gaming site?

            The same thing is happening when people hear connected device they immediately assume that this is somehow going to hinder them and their play. Sim City is always online which means that unless you mod it to play offline then you can’t play. The Xbox One is not like that. Is it a form of anti-piracy protection, of course it is and there is nothing wrong with that. The same type of protection exists on Steam right now but you also get all the benefits of being connected as well such as game patching in the background making sure all of your games are patched and ready to play whenever you want to, cloud saves and being able to log into your account from anywhere and carry over playing just like if you were at your home Xbox. No one ever discusses those benefits of being connected, nope it’s always just the same doom & gloom stuff.

            And since we don’t know if the patent for Kinect to detect # of people and charge per person is included in the system then why are we even discussing it. That’s the entire jist of what I’m saying we only have rumors right now with little to no specifics on how any of this will work or if it will be implemented at all. So why are so many internet gamers, who by the way are just a very loud vocal minority, jumping to so many conclusions.

            TL;DR: We don’t know jack about how any of this stuff will work and going insane with rage about it before it is even officially talked about is not productive and yes trollish.

        • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

          In what possible way have they “betray[ed] the very fanbase that got [them] so successful”?

          It’s still a game console. They’ve already said that they’re waiting until E3 to announce all of the games and XBOX LIVE updates.

          • Dylan

            I’m not even talking about the games anymore.
            I’m talking about the anti-consumer policies that I’ve outlined on the page already.

  • Does Not Equal

    Why would we believe you any more than him?

    • xjumper

      You should try some other sites besides Major Nelson com lol
      Some Dice Devs even said that Gen4 will be Sony’s game.

      • Does Not Equal

        One site full of the same types of comments over and over is enough for me, thanks.

      • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

        i dont care about the playstation, this is about xbox.

    • Dylan

      Independent companies are speaking out against it due to it’s anti indie policies.
      People like Marcus Persson (notch), Tim Shafer and Phil Fish, are not happy.

      • Colorfulchew

        The only person who I’ve seen mention anything about indie development on the One is Phil Fish. I’m not sure if you’ve noticed, but Phil Fish is not a very happy camper most the time when it comes to Xbox.

        • Dylan

          Yeah I’ll give you Phil Fish, he’d been unhappy no matter what.

          Here’s what they’re saying on twitter a day or two ago (remove spaces)

          http :// ww w.destructoid. com / indies-express-xbox-one-disappointment-on-twitter-254326. phtml

          Here’s a link
          about Independents sounding off

          http:// ww w. eurogamer. net / articles/2013-05-24-xbox-one-developers-have-their-say-on-specs-self-publishing-and-tvtvtv

          • Colorfulchew

            I see what you’re getting at, but I don’t think we see the rest of the picture yet. I’ll argue with you after E3 and BUILD. For instance, we still don’t know anything about what is happening with the Xbox Live indie games. I’d imagine part of what will happen is allowing the use of native code, as it appears that XNA is on the way out.

          • Dylan

            Well the issue isn’t the hardware.
            What they’re mad about I guess, is Microsoft sticking to the current policy of not allowing developers to self-publish. Instead, they’ll have to give money to the publishers or Microsoft, to get on the platform.
            This is something not on Wii U and Playstation.
            Just kinda weird, every decision made about this console is to support the Publishers like Activision and EA
            If that’s something that can be resolved at those conferences, I hope it does.

  • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

    I suppose I’m still not understanding what you’re expecting to see on Windows 8.

    If you’re asking if the XBOX hub on Windows 8 will run XBOX ONE games, then I certainly expect that the answer is, “No.”, simply because most computers that are running Windows 8 are not powerful enough to run XBOX ONE games.

    If you’re asking if Windows 8 will have the instant switching between games and other apps, then again, the answer is “No” because the XBOX ONE is a powerful machine specifically built to run two different operating systems at the same time, which is why the switching is so fast. XBOX ONE has more RAM than many Windows 8 computers will have by default.

    If you’re asking whether all of the Kinect functionality of XBOX ONE will come to Windows 8, then we know that the new Kinect sensor will come to Windows in 2014, but unless the Windows team works with the Kinect team to integrate speech commands into Windows 8 and allows Windows 8 apps to support Kinect 2, then chances are that not too many apps/programs will use it.

    If you’re wondering whether the XBOX Games hub on Windows 8 will be combined with the XBOX Music, XBOX Video, and XBOX Smartglass apps for Windows 8 to more closely resemble XBOX ONE, then I kind of doubt it. I’m sure that there will be updates to the XBOX apps on Windows 8, but it won’t be identical to what’s on the ONE.

    Hopefully we will learn more at Microsoft’s BUILD conference at the end of June, but for now Microsoft’s digital app and game stores for Windows 8, Windows Phone, and XBOX are all separate from each other.

    It has been said that the XBOX 360 dashboard will be getting updated to better match the XBOX ONE’s this year, with a dashboard beta being available this summer, so maybe the XBOX team is working on an update to the Windows 8 apps as well that could be released around the time that Windows 8.1 is available.

  • John Paduch

    I haven’t listened to this show in a while, but I wanted to come back and see how they handled the bungled launch of the new console. Man oh man was I entertained. If there was ever any doubt that these 3 people are just pr/marketing puppets of MS, it should be gone now. My favorite part? Courtesy of e:

    “The instant-switching… that is so cool… just that instant suspend, instant resume is so cool.”

    I just.. I can’t believe he actually had the gall to say this. Have I just been hallucinating the pause feature of EVERY game made since 1985 on the NES (or further back)?

    You 3 are paid employees of MS, and it shows more clearly than ever before with the events of this week and the resulting podcast. You’re not making honest commentary and analysis, you’re engaging in dishonest, PR bullcrap. It’s bad comedy.

    • EighteenCharacters

      I’m pretty sure e was talking about more than a simple pause feature.

      Amazing how people can listen but not hear a thing. Stay in school, kids.

    • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

      @Guest, it’s pretty difficult to take your criticism seriously.

      Yes, Larry, Eric, and Laura work for Microsoft on the XBOX team.

      Larry’s function is to act as mediator between the public XBOX community and the XBOX team – a representative for the team to help people outside of Microsoft treat the XBOX team as people and someone whose job is to keep the team in tune with what their fans are feeling.

      I’m sure that no one on the XBOX team is exactly enjoying the lies and hate being spewed toward and about them on the internet and I’m also sure that if their fans who do correctly understand XBOX’s policies are disappointed by those policies that Larry, Eric, and Laura (along with the rest of the XBOX team) are sad about that and working hard to remedy that.

      The best they can do is to try to clear up any misunderstandings that innocent people have, be cheerful and polite to rude people, and share the things about their next system that they are genuinely personally excited about. Any employee of any company should do the same. That’s not disingenuous.

      When you quote Eric saying that he’s excited about the instant task switching and then ridicule him as though he’s talking about pausing a game, either you are not understanding what was shown on stage during the XBOX ONE reveal event or you are purposefully lying to try to make Eric look bad.

      • Dylan

        What lies and hate do you speak of?
        The Xbox requires internet. That’s a fact.
        Kinect 2.0 needs to be plugged in for the Xbox to work, that’s a fact.

        The used games thing is unclear. That was started by Microsoft VP Phil Harrison himself. Why are you acting like it came out of thin air?

        • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

          I never contradicted that XBOX ONE requires Internet access a minimum of once every 24 hours whenever you want to use it.
          We all know that’s true.

          I never contradicted Kinect 2.0 needs to be plugged in for XBOX ONE to work. I wouldn’t have it any other way.

          As to the used games issue, my present understanding is that there will absolutely be a way to deactivate your rights to play a particular copy of a game when you decide to trade it in for another game or sell it to another gamer.

          It’s true that we don’t know the specifics.
          I’m going to wait to see what we learn at E3 – the place and time when Major Nelson has said all along that we would hear about their plans about games.

          Even E3 will be close to four months away from the release of the XBOX ONE, so if they were still fine tuning their policies around game sales, I wouldn’t blame them.

          Everyone wants a concrete answer and I can understand uncertainty or frustration while we don’t have one.

          When I mentioned lies and hate, what I mean is people alleging that Kinect 2.0 requiring to be attached is some sort of nefarious spyware scheme instead of just realizing that XBOX wants to make an amazing next generation interface that’s easier for anyone to use.

          I also mean negative comments by what appear to be ignorant or deceitful Playstation fanatics whose only coping mechanism seems to be to post as much pessimism on every XBOX blog or video comments section to try to drown out anyone who might actually be looking forward to what Microsoft has planned.

          I just don’t understand that. I don’t waste my time going to websites about things I’m not going to buy and dumping hate on them. That’s not worth my time or theirs.

          I’m not saying that all criticism falls into that category.
          There are some genuinely worried XBOX fans here too.

          I just think that no one has enough information to be posting conclusions about this yet.

          • Dylan

            Okay, I understand, that is fair.
            They can change their policies, but I’m not too confident. Hopefull they do.
            I disagree with you about Kinect 2 however.
            There is no credible reason why it isn’t optional when there is a controller. If you find one, let me know.
            There have been filed patents where Microsoft could invade your privacy and charge money depending on who walked into the room.
            I’ve never been one for tin-foil hats, but that’s a little weird don’t you think?

          • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

            Eh, the visual DRM thing is just speculation.

            No one on the XBOX team has breathed a word about that.

            (You’d be right in saying that their not mentioning it yet doesn’t mean that they don’t have plans to that end, but until they announce something, I think it’s pointless to criticize them for it.)

          • Dylan

            The patent is real.
            Microsoft has said it doesn’t mean they’re going to use it.
            I’m just saying, it’s weird that they’re requiring Kinect for the console to work.

          • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

            I know the patent is real. I don’t think I implied otherwise.

            I’m not sure what else to say, since you’re already aware that just because Microsoft has a patent for it has no bearing on whether they’ll actually use that in any product.

            I guess I’m not clear on what you believe the restrictions to be.

            Even back in the VHS days, videos would come with a warning on the case that said that you were not legally allowed to use that copy of the video to charge other people money to see it.

            In other words, buying the latest movie, taking it to a place where it was scarce (I grew up in Papua New Guinea before Internet access, so I have a fair idea of what that’s like.), and then setting up your own little theater and charging other people to watch the movie is a no-no.

            That being said, we all understand that watching a movie or TV or listening to music is very often a social experience.

            Content providers would be crazy to not allow you to rent a movie and watch it with your family or a group of friends, but if Kinect looks up and sees a crowd of 20 or 30+ people, then maybe the rental fee ought to be just a little higher.

            I’m not saying that I think it’s the best idea or even that XBOX is planning any such thing. Again, this is just speculation..

          • http://twitter.com/ENich1 E.Nich

            Dude, do you really believe the things you are saying? Really? You must be trolling and laughing while writing such things.

          • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

            I am sincere, amigo.

          • ElektroDragon

            This guy’s either an intern, an employee, or really wants a job. He makes too many PR talking points.

          • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

            @ElektroDragon

            Nope. I’ve never worked at Microsoft.

            I do like them, though.

            I don’t like everything they do and my mind isn’t made up yet about XBOX ONE (because we simply don’t have all the information yet).

            I just see a lot of people jumping to conclusions or trusting poor or inaccurate reporting and I’m just here as someone who enjoys technology and games and wants to see Microsoft succeed.

            Where they are doing things right and people are dissing them for that, I’ll stick up for them and where Microsoft is making a mistake (like with their stance toward indie game developers), I’ll listen to people’s real complaints and hope that Microsoft will make appropriate changes.

          • Dylan

            As an owner since the Original Xbox,
            if a company takes away a user’s rights, they deserve to fail.

            If Microsoft removes the Online requirement,
            and the Kinect requirement, and the rumored fee to retailers for used games/fee to borrow games.

            Then I will likely support them.

            I’m not a hater. I’m not a pushover either. When a company asks me to bend over, I fight back. I’ll fight with my mouth, I’ll fight with my wallet.

            And it makes me smile when the internet does as well.
            The Highlight video showing how they didn’t talk about games has more views than the actual Xbox video.
            The Angry Joe video has 1+ million views already and almost no dislikes.
            And twitter/social media have been on fire.
            There’s been a truce in the console war. I thought I’d never see the day.

          • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

            Kinect is a fundamental part of the interface.

            They should never allow it to be disabled, in the same way that they should never allow the controller to be disabled.

            All of us can see how irritating it would be to take our system to a place that doesn’t have Internet access and not be able to play our games after the first 24 hours of packing up.

            What Microsoft hasn’t shown us yet is whatever benefits there are to the system being always online, other than background updates, etc.

            I’m certainly not opposed to people buying whatever they believe to be the best solution for them. Go for it.

            On the other hand, I can’t say that the rampant disrespect so often demonstrated on the Internet makes me smile.

            To me, the selfish, disrespectful, bullying nature of humanity is the cause behind both any corporate policies that take away individual freedoms as well as floods of petty immature flame wars in comments sections.

            In neither case does it cause me to smile.

          • Dylan

            Just like how EA was saying the always online DRM in SimCity was this glorious “feature” right?
            Seriously man? Can’t you see what is going on?

          • BryceS

            “They should never allow the controller to be disabled”. When I finish using a XBox controller, whether it be a gamepad, guitar or microphone, I can simply switch it off or unplug it if I don’t need it and it doesn’t cause any problems for the console. Why should the Kinect be any different?

          • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

            @BryceS:disqus ,

            I really valued your appeal to Larry yesterday. It was refreshing.

            The scenario you’re laying out is turning off a controller “when I finish using [it]“.

            If you turn off all your controllers while you are still in a game, you’ll get a message asking you to reattach your controller and you won’t be able to use the game anymore until you do reattach a controller.

            In the same way, Microsoft wants to make the system simple for everyone to use and they’re banking on voice navigation and Kinect reading your gestures as their universal interface.

            The only reason that Kinect isn’t built into the case of XBOX ONE is that they realize that that won’t work well for wall mounted TVs and other setups. It is as much a part of the system as the camera and microphone in your laptop, tablet, phone, or iPod Touch.

            They are absolutely not going to permit anyone to ever deactivate that input because less technical users would be lost without it. Similarly, Apple would never allow a store to sell iOS devices with the camera and mic removed.

            So, yes, I expect the entire interface to be navigable via the controller. And I know that you must think, “Well, if I can use the entire menu with a controller and I don’t care about Kinect, why can’t I just not plug in Kinect?”

            The fact of the matter is that even with Kinect always attached to the console, when it is on, you can still use a controller to do everything so no one is forcing you to use voice or gestures where you find a controller more efficient (or in cases of people who have a disability such as a speech impediment or hearing loss).

            What’s more, if they allowed the system to be used without the Kinect, then that would encourage the second hand sale of systems where the system gets separated from the console and then the person who bought it second hand no longer has the option to attach Kinect if they desire to and may buy Kinect 1 for XBOX 360 or Windows by mistake.

            By requiring Kinect to be attached whenever the console is in use, they ensure that every single person who uses XBOX ONE has the *choice* to use Kinect if they want to.

          • http://videogamersblog.com/ Bryan Stilbon Conrad

            As long as I can do everything with the controller I’ll just cover up the camera so I don’t feel like big brother is watching me all the time.

            And you can argue with me all you want on this, but the XO is just another computer in a box running a modified version of Windows 8. So we all know It won’t belong before someone figures out how to spy on people through the Kinect.

          • http://raptr.com/unscleric/about UNSCleric

            I was thinking the same thing. Newsflash, this is not part of the application process to work at Microsoft.

          • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

            lol, so now your saying its mostly PlayStation fanboys that are doing the complaining and only some xbox fans? OMG, that is the most ridiculous thing i heard next to M$ saying you HAVE to pay a fee and then you DON’T have to pay a fee for used games. there is so much back peddling going on right now from Xbox its sickening.

            even EA has changed their mind about the Wii U and FIFA 14 because of all the overwhelming hatred for this new system by all gamers, regardless of what platform they currently play on! what xbox did was try and force the gamers into a world of straight DRM and mandatory cameras. it doesn’t matter what console your playing on, it affects every gamer across the spectrum!

            M$ is in panic mode right now trying to figure out how to spin all this and do some damage control….. so far their answer is to shut down comments on youtube, im sure they are reaching into their deep pockets right now trying to get mainstream media on board to try and talk this thing up also.
            what Xbox has done to next gen is unforgivable. no wounder EA wanted to partner with Xbox, two of the most evil corporations on this planet working side by side HA! they even cancelled their passes because Xbox has implemented DRM in its next gen console.

          • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

            I’m supposed to take you seriously when you refer to Microsoft as “M$”?

            Would you take me seriously if I talk about “$ONY”?

          • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

            yes i actually would take you seriously. its common for Microsoft to be refereed to as M$. the only ones that get upset about it is people that work for them.

            you can do that about $ONY all day i could care less, the only $ONY product in my house is my tv, and i don’t get paid from them so do what you have to do.

          • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

            It’s common among immature little brats. I’ll give you that.

          • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

            lol, so now we are name calling. who is immature now. not once have i personally insulted you, and now you puke this kind of childish garbage out of your mouth and personally insult me because i refereed to MSFT as M$. wow lol.

          • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

            I’m not keen on any disrespect of anyone, no matter what they’ve done.

            Disrespect engenders disrespect toward yourself.

          • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

            ill give you that but that fact remains, by saying what you did directly insults and disrespects me as well as many other people.

          • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

            Yes… and you and “many other people” directly insult the thousands of people who work at Microsoft and the billions of people who enjoy their products by referring to them as M$.

            Regardless, I apologize for making you feel insulted but you kind of brought it on yourself.

          • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

            there’s a difference, i did not personally insult you or any one person. a company does not have feelings or thought. it is a registered entity and therefore cannot be personally insulted.

            i do appreciate your apology, and if what i said insulted “you” personally i also apologize. just know for future postings if someone uses M$ they are not attacking a human being.

          • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

            Thanks for your understanding.

            Just for the record, though, just because we show disrespect for a group of people does not mean that we are not insulting individuals.

            If someone disrespects…
            Linux
            Apple
            Google
            Microsoft
            America
            Kenya
            Russia
            Japan
            … then anyone who likes or uses (in the first four) or happens to be a native of those countries (the last four) will have a fair probability of being insulted by those comments.

            I guess I just hope to communicate to you that it does still affect individual human beings.

          • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

            i agree with you about the countries aspect, people get very upset when you disrespect who they are as a people.
            i cant say i (personally) feel the same when dealing with a product of use or place of employment. i understand the pride aspect. i will leave it at that and just agree with you for the sake of debating over this off topic post..

          • jlh

            Anyone who refers to Microsoft as M$ just shows their immaturity to the world. MS is a business they are are in business to make money just like every other business. I guess we should attach a $ to every company the world over since they all have one thing on their mind.

          • RED360

            Yes Thanks for making the point There in the business to make money. How ever the $ is to refer to there Greed.

      • TheDahaka

        .

    • xjumper

      Yep. Larrys comment about that Developers were happy with Xone is more embarrassing. Microsoft’s dev tools are behind the Sony ones according to Avalance Studios..

  • Maurice Wilburn

    You realize there are many different developers don’t you.

    • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

      Exactly.

      He didn’t say that every developer in the world was happy with XBOX ONE or that there weren’t any that weren’t.

      He just said that plenty of the ones who he had talked to were.

  • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

    while watching the conference i thought it was pretty funny when he said xbox watch live tv and it showed the price is right. the best part of it was, the price is right wasn’t on for another 45 mins.
    its an 11am standard tv listing across America. not to mention he
    wanted to watch ESPN and the game being shown was from February, with no
    replay of that game listed or shown on ESPN since.

    • Dylan

      And the NBA game they showed aired months ago.

      • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

        I wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn that they were using prerecorded video feeds for the Live TV, etc.

        On the other hand, the Bing homepage with the jellyfish was the Bing background of the day that day, so that was probably live.

        Ultimately, if they used prerecorded video of TV to demo the channel switching, I’m okay. The final system just changes channels and passes through the video via HDMI anyway, so I don’t see the difference, practically speaking.

    • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

      Apparently you don’t understand the nature of demonstrating a product that won’t be finished for another six months.

      • Dylan

        Valid point.
        But then again, why have the reveal conference if it isn’t ready?

        • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

          It’s just showing what they expect to deliver.

          It’s not going to be finished at E3 either.

          Playstation 4 isn’t complete yet either.
          Sony showed a couple of screenshots of what they expect to deliver, dashboard-wise.

          That’s fine.

          Since Microsoft had 3 more months for their reveal, they showed how they expect the dash to animate.

          I’m sure that Sony and Microsoft are both on track to deliver their consoles this fall.

      • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

        that was not a demonstration of the product. it was a concept that was not ready to actually use at the time of the conference. instead they showed what might be possible while showing a simulated product.

        • RED360

          plus you would have the rebroadcast of live TV.

        • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

          That’s pretty much exactly what I meant.

          You can’t show the final product when it’s still under construction.

          It’s not difficult to understand.

          • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

            the point being is it was presented as a working console actually doing what was show during the presentation. it was acted out with no disclaimer saying its not actually running or doing what is being shown.

          • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

            Well, come on now.

            The system that was on stage was not hooked up in any way.
            It’s just understood. They weren’t trying to trick anyone.

            The closest that anyone at the event at the event got to using the real system was the trigger rumble demos and Kinect demos.

          • Dylan

            Actually the Kinect demos were not real.
            Remove the spaces.
            http:// www. youtube. com/watch?v=1vpOWTR9pKY

      • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

        oh and if the product is not going to be finished for 6 months then its not going to be released till 2014. do you honestly think M$ can magically produce millions of consoles in 1 month? come on, use that smart brain of yours.

        • RED360

          They may have the hardware done ready to build ,but software to finish test and load.

          • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

            @RED360, We have a winner, ladies and gentlemen!

          • RED360

            Lol Whats my Prize?

          • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

            Um… an XBOX ONE? ツ

            Just for being a voice of reason today.

            Seriously, I’m muy thankful.

          • RED360

            Hell no. Not after this.
            The only way id ever buy one is if M$ would lobby for Gamer/consumer digital rights. Then I would Go back to calling them Micro Soft, but that will never happen.

          • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

            Wouldn’t be much of a prize if you had to buy it yourself, mate.

          • RED360

            wouldn’t accept one as a gift ether.

          • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

            It’s hard to do much for someone who shuns gifts.

            Lost cause, then.

          • boe2

            “oh no, this kid is writing our company name with a dollar sign in it. We must do something quick!”

          • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

            hardware has to be finished, if it wasn’t then we wouldn’t of had this conference. production takes a long time to complete. they cant begin production of a product until the system is ready, with that being said ill repeat… M$ can not simply produce millions of console in a 1 month time period.

          • RED360

            Guess you missed my point.

          • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

            nope, i get your point. im just little upset by the whole conference and about a comment made earlier. im ok now but would like a lot more clarification about the future of gaming with Xbox. so many questions being asked with so many answers to the same question. from vp down.

          • jlh

            Then you will need to wait until E3 which is when they said from the beginning that they would discuss the gaming side of the Xbox One.

    • barry3218

      I thought the best part of it was Don Mattrick hes hilarious, when he said xbox one will be released, i was thinking is gonna give a date then he said later this year with so much enthusiasm hehe i hope he is at e3. does anyone else think hes funny?

      • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

        lol, a lot of people do. i hope he is there also.

  • http://raptr.com/unscleric/about UNSCleric

    Why is the same guy running defense on literally every comment thread here? Jesus man, get a life. Let MS do their own damage control.

    • jlh

      Why are the same trolls infesting every single posting on this entire blog?

      • http://raptr.com/unscleric/about UNSCleric

        You don’t even know what a troll is. I have a Gamerscore of 130,000+ and haven’t played on a non-Microsoft console in over ten years. I’m the last one to ever want to bash Microsoft but with the way they’re doing stuff right now they deserve to be torn to shreds until they get their head on straight.

        • Sopranosfan

          Mine will pass 43k this week and you can add me to those that are disapointed. I hate that they forgot what made them the number one console in America. If their answer is anything except games will be treated EXACTLY the same as they are now I will move on to either PS4, WiiU(if Sony does similar) or PC(if I can’t own the game I might as well get them cheap on Amazon or Steam).

          • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

            @SopranosFan,

            To keep it short and sweet:
            If you thought that the reveal event was where they were going to show games, I understand your disappointment.

            But… Major Nelson had already told us before the reveal event that the games would be shown at E3 and that the reveal event was just to give us a look at the hardware, announce the name, and give us a look at the platform.

            All I’d say is wait until after E3 to decide whether you’re disappointed.

            I don’t think they’ve forgotten what made them popular at all.

          • Sopranosfan

            My problem is the mixed message and the refusal to give a straight answer about whether I or Microsoft owns the game after I buy it.

        • jlh

          What does your gamerscore have to do with anything? I stated a fact about something that is clear for all to see. There is a large group of trolls filling the comment sections of this blog with fud based upon rumors, drowning out and downvoting any amount of positivity coming from others here who are excited about the new console.

          You calling on another poster to “get a life” because he’s not raging out of control with negativity was wrong especially in light of all the trolling going on all over this blog. I appreciated that there was someone else here that was thinking rationally about the new console rather than the same people regurgitating the same rumors over and over again.

    • EighteenCharacters

      Personally, I think it’s nice to hear a voice of calm and reason in a torrent of rumor and speculation. Gives me hope that the “Entitled Generation” isn’t a complete and utter loss.

      • http://raptr.com/unscleric/about UNSCleric

        The torrent of rumor and speculation is no one’s fault but Microsoft’s. There is absolutely no reason they can’t use the Internet to clear this all up right now. What are they waiting for? For these “mistruths” to become even more ingrained into people’s heads. It makes no sense whatsoever to sit there and not correct damaging rumors if they aren’t actually untrue.

        • Guest

          Maybe they are showing our rage to publisher, like EA, and saying, ” see, they won’t stand for it!!”

        • DarkMaturus

          Maybe they are showing our rage to the publishers, like EA, and saying, ” see, they won’t stand for it!!”

          • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

            That’s an interesting angle, actually.

            It never even occurred to me.

          • Dylan

            The fact that EA dropped Online passes a few months ago should tell you they were talking about this behind scenes.

            Microsoft now has Offline Passes.

          • bickle2

            PS4 has the same restrictions. They’ve just told everyone that MS has it to set the dogs on them, just like they abushed them with the first competant press conference they’ve done in a decade

            SCE* said THEYwon’t blocked used games, but that anything else is “up to the publisher”.

          • Dylan

            PS4 does not require internet.
            Check that restriction off the list.

          • bickle2

            Since the publishers are behind this stuff. No, they won’t.

            They want money from used games, and to stop the rampant piracy that Xbox “enjoys” GameStop told them to shove it. Well, this is a gun to gamestop’s head to “be reasonable, and stop reselling our games as essentially new without us getting a dime”

      • Dylan

        So whoever agrees with whatever Microsoft does is a “reasonable” person, and whoever disagrees with what the corporation wants to do with their un-user friendly policies is “entitled”.
        Okay then.
        Bet back in the day, you would have been anti-union as well.
        Guess all those people who demanded decent pay for their work were “entitled” for not bowing down to what every company says and does.

        • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

          My ideal (in the union analogy) would just be that if I am a business owner, I simply pay my employees so well that there is never a need for a union.

          When George Lucas made the original Star Wars trilogy and paid his actors and crew a percentage of the total earnings, rather than a fixed amount and made them all wildly rich – that’s the kind of relationship I’d want to have.

          As that applies to this situation, the value we’re talking about is not primarily monetary. The question is, “Can Microsoft give enough benefits to each XBOX LIVE user that as Microsoft meets with success, the benefits afforded to each XBOX LIVE member increases?”.

          I have absolutely no problem with people (civilly) voicing concerns – hopefully after they understand the issues.

          Again, if Microsoft is so far out of line with the way they’re going to do things, then they will lose customers (that’s just basic economics) and hopefully someone that works there is insightful enough to know that they need to change.

          Look, I don’t think that everything Microsoft does is right.
          I also don’t think that all criticism of them is out of line, but I see them getting criticized for things that they’ve never said or accused of something they’re not doing and that makes no sense to me.

          • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

            I understand the feeling of frustration, thinking about taking my console somewhere where I can’t get an Internet connection and suddenly not being able to play games offline if I haven’t connected in the last 24 hours. I get it. That sounds miserable.

            I have a fair number of old video game consoles from over the years and it is fun to hook them back up and boot up some old games from time to time.

            What is sad is that when you start getting into online stuff, if the servers have been taken offline, then there’s no way to experience that game like you could back when it was new. Dreamcast fans will know exactly what I’m talking about.

            I was also a GameTap subscriber for a couple of years and of course have nothing to show today for the money I paid there. That’s the nature of renting content rather than buying it, though.

            So, yes, looking forward, if XBOX ONE games are so dependent on the online aspect then there is little to no hope that if Microsoft is ever driven out of the games business that our games will work. That’s not a pleasant prospect.

            On the other hand, my XBOX 360 Elite has been plugged into ethernet almost every single day that I’ve had it with the exception of a couple of weekend getaways where I used it mainly to watch movies and some seasons of TV shows and a little local multiplayer. I also rarely turn the 360 off and never unplug Kinect, since I use it to video chat with my cousins on the other side of the US at least once a week.

            So, in the short term, XBOX ONE won’t change anything at my house in terms of my setup.

          • Dylan

            Well at least you can see both sides.

            I am in a similar situation, I have stable internet.

            The difference is, I can see that most of the planet is not as fortunate as I am. That simply the US and the planet does not have the type of internet infrastructure to handle it.

            I can see that this online requirement is not a new feature that will revolutionize the game industry. They have put no type of innovation that they have revealed so far.

            So that begs the question. Why? Well, DRM. A way to keep tabs on your account. A system to prevent you from sharing a game with your friend. A system to stop your first sale rights.

            A system to monopolize the market, to set the prices.

            I have stable internet. I am fortunate. It still affects me, it affects us all. Like the reason you gave, servers go down, we’re all screwed.

            Essentially they lowered the value of games, but will likely keep the price the same.

            I don’t see Microsoft going the Steam route, where they lower the price of games dramatically. In fact, the games on demand prices are bloated right now, and sales are minimal.

            My house is set up to support the Xbox One. It doesn’t mean that is okay to me.
            That said, I’m not writing Microsoft off.
            They have an uphill battle.
            They can still win me over, but it’ll have to start by not restricting what little rights gamers have.
            It’ll have to start by not turning the Xbox into a low spec PC, and re-instate the only advantage consoles have.

            Freedom.

            (I’d like to add, I’m enjoying this conversation that has not turned into calling me a troll or whatever)

        • barry3218

          no but people running riot with rumours is. none of these policies are set in stone anything can change from now until e3. the only problem i have at the moment is the mandatory kinnect but i can just cover it so not really a problem as for pre owned games i dont see the problem if devs want to get more moeny from sales of THEIR content then its either up the price of games or get a cut from pre-owned sales, also maybe more money for devs means better games.

          • Dylan

            The rioting in the first place is what might make them change things.
            The mandatory Kinect is an issue, sure.
            So is requiring internet for DRM purposes.
            Those aren’t rumors. Those are facts.

            And you’re sorely mistaken if you think the money goes to developers. None of it does. It goes to the big Publisher and to Microsoft.
            This is not an effort to help the dev’s, it is so Publishers get a piece of the pie.
            And it absolutely won’t bring down prices. The Publishers are not going to back down from the 60 dollar price point and are not going to have great sales.

            They’re just getting rid of ways to get around it.

    • TheDahaka

      He either is employed directly by Microsoft or subcontracted to do so as damage control.

      • sym

        he must be paid. it is a conspiracy. anyone not apart of the disappointed mob must be paid. they can’t actually like what they saw. that’s impossible.

        • Shenmue

          It’s pretty ridiculous claiming that anybody who liked the conference is either blind, dumb or paid. Plenty of people think the Hardware reveal was good. And those same people are looking forward to the software reveal.

          • sym

            yeah- i actually agree.

            i loved the hardware and can’t wait for more games at e3. i am not bothered or upset at the direction they are going with this at all. i was using sarcasm. . .

        • TheDahaka

          It’s nothing to do with his opinion it’s the fact he’s responding to every negative comment. It’s not unheard of to have people hired to post on forums and blogs et al. Not that crazy a concept at all actually.

      • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

        @TheDahaka,
        I’m really not hired in any way by Microsoft.

        Microsoft has made no official announcement about game sales policies.

        Phil Harrison and others spoke out of turn and should have simply said, “Wait for E3″ (or if they’re not announcing it at E3, then, “We’ll tell you about that after E3″).

        I guess I don’t see a point in people getting bent out of shape when we haven’t even heard Microsoft’s plans yet.

        • TheDahaka

          Fair enough. As absurd as some of the negativity is, I don’t see it as such a bad thing. At least people have been heard and we may end up with a better deal, but then maybe not.

    • sym

      yeah, people aren’t entitled to their own opinions. who the hell does this guy think he is posting in the comments section?

  • Luih

    like what ?? omg another time..

    anti-user like:

    - mandatory kinnect who rises the price

    - fees for second hand

    - mandatory internet connection (bye bye to all people who has a console for play in the beach, or a hause in the montain, or a group of friends who has a console in a meeting place.. )

    of course im talking abaut europe… in EEUU must be something like “omg omg omg omg Im going to watch tv without exert my thumb in the remote control !!!!!!!!!!! whohoooo sold sold sold !!!!”

    In the rest of the world with that politics and that focus in tv, xbox will crash even more than dreamcast did, or even more than xbox360 in japan

  • Shenmue

    I’m having trouble understanding what is going on here.
    They clearly stated up front that the reveal would be split into two parts
    50% Hardware
    50% Software
    We’ve only seen 50% (the Hardware) so far.

    It’s seems so very simple, yet people are so confused and or angry.

    I don’t care about the EA sports functionality or sports in general. However I though what the new box could do was pretty awesome.

    • Morgon Britton

      I agree we haven’t seen everything yet so we shouldn’t judge until we see the whole thing.

      • EighteenCharacters

        Right on. It’s encouraging to hear another voice of reason on here. Thank you.

    • sym

      agreed-

      seems like people want all the answers to a product not being actually released for several months NOW. . . and if it changes the status quo in anyway they are upset.

    • James Cox

      It is not about what the new Xbox can do. It is about what it can’t do.
      Always on internet connected camera and mic… Big brother
      Used game fees
      Internet required etc

      • RED360

        come over to used games

    • PSN_IS_GARBAGE

      While I admire your refreashing attitude in relation to all this I can’t help but disagree. MS dropped some serious bombs in preparation for this event and their lack of communication with each PR person there after. None of these rumors were put to rest after the presentation up untill now. The plain basic fact that they are marketing this thing as an “Entertainment” box instead of a game machine and throwing money at features like a whole new Xbox Entertainment division, Steven Speilberg and fantasy football tells me MS isn’t focused on the consumer as much as their “content partners”.

      On a side note, I’m a Shenmue Fan as well and would love to see Ryo’s adventures continue as much as you would. Any word on any plans or what has happened to Yu Suzuki and AM2.

      • TheDahaka

        The thing is I don’t even have an issue with it being an entertainment box. Good luck to them with that. What people want is final clarification on their DRM strategy, which based on comments by Microsoft themselves is sounding more restrictive than other systems like Steam and iTunes.

        To make this consumer marginally more satisfied all they need to do is make content playable offline, enable me to install content to additional drives and/or to play content directly off the disk.

        The reasons are simple 500Gb is not enough storage for an all in one entertainment device – I filled 320gb on the 360 several times over. I can keep my entire Steam and Itunes library on any drive drive i like, can i do this with xbox one?

        Why do I want to keep it installed and/or play it off the disk? So I can access it well after Microsoft officially drops support for content and not rent full priced games for a limited time.

        Us nay sayers aren’t all that irrational.

        • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

          I don’t have a concrete source, but my brother read a story to the effect that external drives which can be attached through the USB 3.0 ports on the back can be used to store all types of content.

          If anyone has a story that can confirm or deny this conclusively, please feel free to share it.

          • ryder4life22187

            I heard that as well but problem is how much are they gonna limit it. If i recall correctly when they announced you now use 32gb of hdd storage on the current xbox 360 they seemed to claim like that was alot of space and their wasn’t a need for more. I had to delete every installed disc on my current 360 which has a 250gb hdd only have 29gb left. How much stuff do i buy recently not to much.

          • Dylan

            I believe this is true, I read the same somewhere.
            Having the hard drive internally still doesn’t make much sense to me though, especially only at 500 gb

          • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

            Multi-terabyte external hard drives are so cheap these days that anyone can add one soon after buying the system.

            Yes 500GB is puny, but then console hard drives always have been.

            At least we have the option of using external drives as storage this time like PS3 did last time around.

          • BoA Wrath

            Passport usb3 drive 2TB is around £110. This will be more than enough for my storage needs. 120gig HD on the 360 filled up quite quick but I just uninstall the games I have finished playing so no hardship.

          • TheDahaka

            Well that’s potentially one tick. Now all I need to hear is that no regular check ins will be required and that at worst it will be like steam.

          • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

            I get where you’re coming from (see my post about Dreamcast games) and actually side with you on the required regular check in.

            That really doesn’t sound like what they’ve decided on, though.

            Definitely listen to Gamertag Radio’s recent interview with Aaron Greenberg from XBOX.

            Even if they completely decided to make the DRM work exactly the same as Steam’s (or XBLA’s or iOS’ or Windows Phone Store’s or Windows Store’s or Google Play’s or XBOX Music’s + Videos’) currently does, it sounds as though they’re banking on server-side compute power to help XO match PS4′s and PC’s compute power, so any game that is taking advantage of that will work best when you’re connected online anyway.

            For me, I consider a broadband internet connection to be the most important thing after housing, electricity, and food, so requiring online is not an issue.

            That being said, the beautiful thing about consoles was always that they were a stable guaranteed hardware platform that a game developer could program for and then be satisfied that every single person that has that system will be able to run the game full speed.

            If you plan your system to use server side compute, so that you can actually add compute power to the system as the years go on (to stay competitive with PC, PS4, etc. as Microsoft seems to have), then that introduces some level of inequality, where some people have good internet, some have poor internet, and some have no internet.

            You or I may think that that is not the right strategy, but if that is the strategy that Microsoft has chosen for themselves, then the most that Microsoft can do to ensure as much of the stable and consistent console experience as possible is inform everyone who is going to buy the system that an Internet connection is required for the system, even if not every single game will be using cloud compute or not using cloud compute all the time that you’re in game. That still leaves the wildcard of Internet connection speed as an element of uncertainty, though.

            It’s up to Microsoft to prove to us at E3 why the things that they can do when an XO is connected online is better for games than if they allowed us to use XO completely offline… because PS4 is certainly going to provide a powerful offline experience. I’m not saying that PSN isn’t doing incredible online stuff with Gaikai also, but this little discussion is about being able to use things offline.

        • PSN_IS_GARBAGE

          You’re right, not all of us nay sayers arn’t irrational. I also agree that the unservicable 500GB HDD was a bad call. I really think it’s going to look tacky having an external HDD sitting next to that thing.

      • Shenmue

        Adam Sessler from Rev3 said Microsoft actually let their people be
        interviewed after the event while SONY didn’t. And that’s probably where
        Microsoft shot themselves in the foot.

        As for Yu Suzuki no news, as expected. The last interview he did was was at the Monaco Anime Game Show.

        6:34 – Yu Suzuki is asked about Shenmue 3.
        Question: If he was still in discussion with Sega about Shenmue III.
        Yu Suzuki: No, I do not talk about Shenmue III with Sega now.
        (Hesitates) I can not talk too much.

        Sorry that’s about it. Love the games but wouldn’t hold my breath.
        AM2 is still a part of SEGA but after 9 years I would imagine most of the talent has been spread to the 4 winds.

    • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

      I’m listening now to some good level headed thoughts on the feedback over at Gamertag Radio.

      Search the web for:
      The Balcony Episode #4 – Interview with the host of the Level Zero podcast, Robert Clarke

    • ElektroDragon

      Uhh, it WAS split into two parts yes. They showed the hardware (ugly with inferior specs compared to competition) AND they showed the software (TV, similar dashboard, special sports junk, and Forza/Call of Duty)

      • Shenmue

        No offense, but I don’t think you fully understood what they were saying.

        That’s one event split into 2 parts. The second part isn’t happening for 14 days.

  • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

    @livecustoms,

    Can you help me understand the difference in what you mean between when you say “bundle the Kinect with the console” and when you say “ship it with every console”?

  • Dylan

    The top privacy advocates in Germany are worried about the Xbox One and are starting talks about banning it in Germany. Called it a “living nightmare”.

    With the Microsoft Terms of service basically saying they are allowed to transmit the feed of your room, and are allowed to record, coupled with the
    heart sensor that records your emotional states,
    People are worried.

    Expect other countries to follow suit.

    • Morgon Britton

      I have no idea why there is a privacy issue when a surveillance satellite in space can zoom in and see what your doing this exact moment. Anybody can track you using your IP adress or even on your GPS. The whole privacy issue is a load of bull i think.

      • Rumba Lumba

        It’s inside your living room. How the hell is that comparable to a satellite or a GPS machine?

        A load of bull? Puhlease.

        • Morgon Britton

          Where is your laptop or desktop? Is it sitting 50 miles away from you? When you go on skype your monitored. When you make a phone call or send a text its monitored. There is no privacy in this world because of such things like this. What will the Kinect do. If it sees you sad is it gonna tell you to go see a counselor? I don’t think so.

          • Rumba Lumba

            Except Kinect and Xbox are running on a centralized system, that’s always connected. Also, it’s completely dependent upon the OS that’s installed in the Xbox. Anyone can protect their laptops by installing third-party software like any anti-spyware or virus or malware programs out there. Can’t do that with an Xbox. You’ll have to have complete faith on the hardware and their central network systems. It only takes one hacker to snap pictures through every Xbox in the world.

            Go ahead and defend it and embarrass yourself some more.

          • http://videogamersblog.com/ Bryan Stilbon Conrad

            “Booha!” Couldn’t have said better myself.

          • Morgon Britton

            I’m almost worried about embarrassing myself over the internet about people i don’t know. All i know is every one of my friends is getting the one and the One isn’t gonna destroy microsoft. there is only a handful of people who arent getting one out of the 300 million that own a 360.

          • Quaranj

            My webcam has a lens cover – your argument is invalid

          • RED360

            ah it knows when to fool it same effect. renders it useless

          • http://videogamersblog.com/ Bryan Stilbon Conrad

            Right now I have tape covering my webcam on my laptop and my other cam pointing up, I also have programs running that alert me if someone tries to gain access to my system.

            With the XO you will not have that level of control.

            True you are right that the government can watch you from space, but I’m not to keen on having a camera in my living room that I don’t have control of.

    • http://videogamersblog.com/ Bryan Stilbon Conrad

      I was just thinking that it wouldn’t be long before someone figured out how to hack the console and start spying on people. The damn thing is just another computer in a box with a modified version of Windows 8 anyway.

      They are doing that with webcams now…

  • RED360

    not region free

  • RED360

    http://www examiner com/article/ps4-may-have-similar-used-game-system-to-xbox-one

  • http://www.facebook.com/laurence.smith.315 LEGIT _ELITE

    Do you not understand how system architecture even works… noones telling you to get rid of you’re 360!!? plus they emulation may come in the future or through the cloud

  • RED360

    http://inewp com/?p=15337

  • RED360

    http://www vg247 com/2013/05/27/sony-reconsidering-used-games-drm-following-xbox-one-reveal-rumour/

    • Dylan

      YES YES YES YES
      A company that has listened to us!

      • RED360

        tweet it

      • ElektroDragon

        Also, they’re in a position now where Xbox is forced to into it, has too many greedy agreements with publishers. And if they DON’T do it now, they look like the incredibly better choice, especially given the non-game focus. PS4 marketed as a game machine first, with no new restrictions? It would mean Sony goes back to its PS2 glory days in no time.

        • RED360

          Bet they gloating they serve use better then are own.

          • RED360

            Sad really.

      • TheDahaka

        Not sure I am reading the same thing, but all I got from that article is that Sony could have something similar in place and may be reconsidering. I doesn’t make me feel any better at all to be honest :(

      • Fernando Coli Viotto

        If you think the DRM solution wasnt worked between Sony and MS you’re very innocent. If one put that aside so will do the other.

        Btw, this is something publishers are wanting for years.

  • boe2

    Something I did sadly have to conclude is that every kinect demo in the history of xbox has either been faked or looks pretty lame.

    • Paul Gbel

      i’ve bought most of the kinect stuff out there and most of it a waste of time. New BTW thou at a very cheap price

    • Sopranosfan

      Go look at the prices of a Steam sale and the price of PC downloads in comparison to console prices on Amazon for the difference.

    • ReadTheArticlePlz

      Wait… you mean them showing “live” football and “live” updated fantasy football stats when football is currently not in season and not being played might have been fake????? Geez next you’re gonna tell me the tooth fairy isn’t real.

      • boe2

        …did you respond to the wrong comment, or are you really misinterpreting that much? O.o

        • ReadTheArticlePlz

          No that was the correct comment. You commented on how the demo looked faked. Of course it had to be fake, how can you be watching a sport live and having it update stats in real-time when that sport isn’t even being played at that time (ie.. fantasy football when the season ended 4 months ago).

          The second part of my comment was about you saying its not really “permanently online”. Microsoft itself does not require “permanently online” but they have set it up so the individual game developers can require it. Thus you have a system that does need to be permanently online if you want to play that game. However, by putting it in the developers hands instead of theirs, microsoft can still claim they do not require always online.

  • Dylan

    Remember when EA said the always online was “integral” to the game?
    That was a lie and it only took 3 days to figure that out.

    Point is, it doesn’t mean it is the truth.
    If it was, there wouldn’t be a controller. I seriously doubt that the dashboard is not controlled by the controller.

  • Dylan

    Then they announce that the Xbox is region locked.
    Now THAT is backwards.

    • Paul Gbel

      Yepp thought region locking was finished alot of DVD players now don’t bother.

      • barry3218

        the majority of blu ray players and dvd players are region locked, certain discs may not be but most of them are region locked.

        • Paul Gbel

          yeah was a poor arguement from me, but still a gah!!!!

          • barry3218

            i think the main reason for region locking is that certain things may be unacceptable in another countries culture whether that be subject matter or language, makes it easier for devs to release games tailored to that countries needs.

          • Paul Gbel

            Yeah I dont mind it never ordered a game from hong kong ;)

  • Paul Gbel

    my xbox 360 is going and live sub ends 2nd August, thats what hurts Micromuppets most us leaving in droves

  • DelRiego

    Good thing I can keep a stupid NUMBER of the xbox 360 games I’ve played, but I won’t be able to keep the games themselves.

    • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

      We’ll just have to keep our 360s, mate.
      I would have much rather that Microsoft support backwards compatibility on the XBOX ONE, but they have said that they plan to support the 360 for years after the ONE launches.

      • Dylan

        What happens when the One’s life is over?
        It becomes a brick when the servers are down

        • Does Not Equal

          You’re already asking about the XBO’s obsolescence before it’s even out? Why buy any electronics, then? Phones, tablets, computers, cameras — they’ll all be obsolete someday, so why bother?

          I buy stuff and enjoy it as much as I can while it’s still viable. People still play old Nintendo- and Sega-made systems, and they’re long past their due dates.

          • RED360

            lo hardly the same.
            You will still be able to use them. like your vcr.

          • Does Not Equal

            Lo, the XBO hasn’t yet released, so nobody knows exactly what the online requirements will be. There are rumors and preliminary quotes, but the system’s not out for half a year. Taking scattered scraps of early information and rumor and treating them as established fact probably isn’t the best way to approach any situation.

          • Dylan

            Because if it was announced that every purchased book would explode after 10 years or unreadable if it couldn’t connect to the internet, books would be much less valuable, and not worth the current price tag.

            Essentially any game/console would be a rental.
            My computer may be obsolete in a few years, but it won’t stop working because of DRM or the company decides to shut it down.
            That’s a stupid argument.

        • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

          @Dylan,
          I’ve said the same exact thing multiple times on this page.

          The situation that you’re not counting on is the possibility that Microsoft just doesn’t turn the servers off and the games continue to work.

          • Dylan

            Sorry, didn’t notice.
            I wonder what happens when the Xbox’s servers are down even it the console’s “prime”?
            I imagine there’d be some outrage. Maybe on par with SimCity and the PSN outage.

          • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

            @Dylan, you said:

            “I wonder what happens when the Xbox’s servers are down even it the console’s “prime”?”

            I guess that it’s a possibility, but I would say that that’s a good portion of why they’re bulking up XBOX LIVE servers from 15,000 servers to 300,000 servers for XO.
            Again, unless the outage lasted longer than 24 hours or occurred when your XO was about to check in again after 23 hours and some minutes, your XO would continue to work offline.

          • RED360

            Yes. How ever don’t think you will be able to install and play a new game.

          • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

            @RED360, you said:

            “Yes. How ever don’t think you will be able to install and play a new game [while your console cannot connect to XBOX LIVE].”

            That’s an interesting assumption that you’re making.

            We have been told that you can begin playing a XO game as soon as the disc is in the tray and it begins installing as you play and then you can remove the disc after installing is complete and play without the disc anytime.

          • RED360

            “Yes. How ever don’t think you will be able to install and play a new game [while your console cannot connect to XBOX LIVE].”

            No internet = No DRM authentication. Will it block you from playing?

            We will see when they difine it more.

          • Dylan

            Aren’t those servers for the “Cloud” and not Xbox Live?
            The promise to stream processing for games is an ambitious one, to do so without latency seems far-fetched.
            No expert, but I assume those servers are just to support this new Cloud-based system.

          • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

            @Dylan, you asked:

            “Aren’t those servers for the “Cloud” and not Xbox Live?”

            I don’t know anywhere where they’ve specifically differentiated between the two. If you can give me a quote that would clarify either way, I’m always happy to understand things more clearly.
            Every time that cloud compute has been mentioned (like in Larry’s Architecture panel on Twitch), it’s been stressed that they would only be trying to use that for latency-insensitive workloads.

          • Dylan

            Yeah I’m not sure of the specifics
            This is definitely a topic that will be talked about at E3. I can wait until then for their explanation of the Cloud

          • TheDahaka

            I would hazard a guess a large part of those 300,000 servers is for data mining in addition to the cloud. That’s where the real money for Xbox One is and why MS has been investing heavily in its data centres for some time. Wth Xbox One they’ll be attempting to cash in.

          • Sean W

            A promise from Microsoft to gaining good will? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA breathe HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Hey, Nate I got a bridge for sale, or a copper engraving of Abraham Lincoln :)

      • Jeff Rideout

        Agreed, I will keep my 360. Not getting the One!

        • http://bit.ly/nathanaelphotosynth Nate Lawrence

          And I will own both the 360 and the ONE. ツ
          Just like I owned:
          Both NES and SNES
          Both SNES and N64
          Both N64 and Gamecube
          Both Gamecube and Wii
          Both Genesis and Saturn
          Both Saturn and Dreamcast
          etc.

  • kyros1

    Major, how do you feel about PS4′s DRM polices?

    • Shenmue

      Did SONY make an announcement on PS4′s DRM policies?

      • kyros1

        No. I made a funny! Cowabunga!

        • Nick Peck

          Go read the article at gamespot, they have one up about someone talking about how sony is pretty much going to follow MS with DRM on used games. Again, you are stupid if you think only one of the two would do that.

          The dev’s want it and sony and MS have to give them the tools to do it if they want the games on their systems.

          • kyros1

            I agree with you, Nick. If MS is doing it then Sony has to as well. They want games don’t they?

          • ReadTheArticlePlz

            True but without a system to play them on, the games are worthless. EA and Activision can create the most amazing games ever but without a way to get it into the hands of gamers, the game is worthless. Its a two-way street. Yes the system needs games but the games also need a player base.

  • TheDahaka

    Question to Major Nelson: Will the Xbox One still function if i place something over the Kinect camera to block its view or will it give some so of error message?

    • Colorfulchew

      I’m not sure it will. I think it does controller profiles based off the Kinect, and who is holding what controller. I’m not sure though. of course.

  • Sean W

    This Christmas season is going to be awesome. Not having to wait in a moronic line for this p.o.s., not having to deal with the acerbic nature of xbox live anymore. Thank you for freeing me from the hell that is console gaming.

    • Does Not Equal

      You talk as though you were forced to buy a 360 and pay for Live.

  • kyros1

    Seems like Sony is in a pickle over that DRM stuff…

    I’m getting the XBOX ONE… Yee haw!!!

    • James Cox

      Have fun with your consumer research box…

      • kyros1

        Good luck with that used games DRM on P$4!

        • James Cox

          I am ok with DRM. I am not OK with Always on Kinect spying. If PS4 is the same. They can suck it too…

          • http://twitter.com/JayD51 JayD

            All PS4s will come with the PS Eye.

          • James Cox

            If the PS4 is forcing us to connect the Eye for it to work. I will not get it either. I am an Xbox360 Cod type of Dudebro guy too. That is the only console I have used this gen. I was hoping for better out of Microsoft. Read this from a while back on engadget to get a view of where it is all headed…

            Microsoft’s Dennis Durkin voiced an interesting idea at an investment summit last week — the idea that the company’s Kinect camera might pass data to advertisers about the way you look, play and speak. “We can cater what content gets presented to you based on who you are,” he told investors, suggesting that the Kinect offered business opportunities that weren’t possible “in a controller-based world.”

            And over time that will help us be more targeted about what content choices we present, what advertising we present, how we get better feedback. And data about how many people are in a room when an advertisement is shown, how many people are in a room when a game is being played, how are those people engaged with the game? How are they engaged with a sporting event? Are they standing up? Are they excited? Are they wearing Seahawks jerseys?

          • http://twitter.com/JayD51 JayD

            Yeah I heard about that as well. It doesn’t bother me because Google does the same thing on the web. Even if you don’t use any of their services (Youtube/Google/GMail/etc.) They have scripts that run on other sites to build up a profile about you that is stored in a cookie. So it is always happening already. Just go to most sites and view the source. Most of them will have a Google script in there.

            Google uses that though to subsidize their services. MS/Sony might be able to do the same thing. Maybe they can use it to subsidize hardware/ shows like the Halo one/ XBL/ etc. There is no avoiding it really.

          • James Cox

            No doubt… I am not really against either company, Sony or Microsoft. The Required Camera creeps me out whoever does it. I don’t know if Sony requires theirs to be hooked up yet. I expect to give up some sort of privacy when I use Google or Facebook etc… and I control what gets put out on the net. I have fears about this Kinect deal. That is a full on market research, Neilson box with a camera feed and mic going into my house. I certainly don’t want to put one in my kids room. Do you know how many gamertags got hacked on Live and how many JTAG Xboxes where in the wild forever. Crazy stuff. Not worth it.

          • http://twitter.com/JayD51 JayD

            Yeah, I can totally respect that decision. I have just become desensitized to it because it is so pervasive.

            Who knows maybe they will have privacy settings?

          • James Cox

            Probably some privacy settings, but what about a kid letting his friend borrow his Live Profile to play a game? Security issue. Also, most people use a Hotmail / Outlook e-mail account to use or create a gamer tag. How often do companies get that info dumped on the net by Anonymous or whoever? Once they have that, you could be screwed since they can sign in. I am sure it will get hacked by the anti-corporate, anti-greed hacker types anyway. The Live ID / E-mail account will become a real security issue, especially if you have to share it to share games etc…. Does not matter how secure Microsoft is, if the end user is not, it won’t matter. That box has too much in it to not be careful

          • Dylan

            Thanks for this information.
            Very enlightening, and adds to my repertoire to why the Kinect is fishy.

    • Liquidfx Xboxdude

      stop making up stuff. its lame. but i guess that is what trolling is all about.

  • http://www.facebook.com/timothy.hames Timothy Hames

    Question for Major,

    Will there be a fee to or a limit my xboxs a person to can sign into an account with ?

    • BoA Wrath

      As far as I am aware from the recent details anyone signed into your account can access your games. Though presumably you can only be signed into one console at once. There is talk in an forbes article that you could possibly won the licence to a game that you could digitally lend to your friends online but would mean you can’t access the game while they are on playing it. This make sense to me given this would be the same as you lending your disc to a friend.

  • Kal-El-001

    i’m the one who had an OG Xbox day 1 and got all my buddies into xbox. So i hope you guys don’t let me down from a gaming standpoint. if the kinect goes and my XB1 stops working that’s just unacceptable. i’m still hoping for the better but things are looking grim

    • decode

      agreed. kinnect is to enhance the gaming not to make us down.

  • kyros1

    I’m actually glad to see us XB1 fans showing MS some support.

    • ReadTheArticlePlz

      I don’t think that many of us are against the XB1 in terms of the unit. Most of us are much much more concerned about policies relating to the system. I think the xbox1 looks like an amazing unit that will be able to dish out some amazing games. However… I don’t like required kinect, the used games bit, the connection check in, etc. The games and horsepower of this system are not a concern at all. I have total faith in this system having amazing games, its other stuff dealing with the system that make me not want the system.

      • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

        well said.

    • Shenmue

      From what I’ve seen, there’s actually a lot of positivity (at least out in the real world). Online however I’m beginning to think that some of the people who claim they are “upset” never owned an XBOX to begin with. It’s possible they might have other motivations.

  • Shenmue

    I guess they just want to be the first, although there us is no way they could already know the MSRP.

    • Dylan

      Yeah the price seems a bit low too.
      Doubt Microsoft has released any of that information to any retailers yet.

      • Shenmue

        Actually they “guesstimated” the price high. 399 British pounds = $601 US dollars.

        • RED360

          Ya higher then then can always lower.

        • Dylan

          Oops! Thanks for correcting me, didn’t see the type of currency

      • SteveFNL

        That’s probably not too high for the UK. We generally seem to pay more than you guys in the US for our electronics. It’s perfectly possible that the price-tag in US Dollars will be the same number in UK Pounds, although the value will be more. So in reality, it could well be $399 in the US AND ALSO £399 ($601) in the UK.

    • disqus_vkwyaBuO48

      its just a product placement holder. could you see them advertising that price and then when its released its higher? no its placed there because it will be that price or lower.

  • SteveFNL

    Nice article. I particularly liked :

    “Gamers who purchase used games or lend their games to friends often do so because they cannot afford to purchase new games at $60 a piece. Hampering used games and the capacity to lend or gift your own games without a very real price drop for new games won’t magically lead to more new game sales. Gamers have finite resources.”

    Let’s hope MS actually understand this!.

  • barry3218

  • Paul Gbel

    Im guessing around £349-399 for console but with all the adware micromuppets are adding it might go for £199.95

 

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