re: More on gaming in 1080p

MasterFramer — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:44:08 GMT

Nice major... I sent you an e-mail to see if you can comment on this

http://videogames.destructoid.com/splinter-cell-double-agent-is-the-first-360-game-to-support-1080p.htm

can you on your show?

re: More on gaming in 1080p

NateNinja — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:44:08 GMT

So Sony gets owned again? :)

1080p update and VGA resolutions with it

360user — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:53:43 GMT

Sorry to disturb you major, but is there any way you can disclose if and which new resolutions are going to be unlocked for those using the VGA cable. i.e. is the popular widescreen 1440x900 resolution now supported by the 360? Thanks for your time!

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Moose O Death — Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:06:54 GMT

since doing those numbers i stumbled across the information that sony downgraded the RSX to 500MHz, which would have hurt their chances at 1080p pretty bad. i doubt we'll see native 1080p games on the ps3 with exception of arcade style games

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bob — Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:42:36 GMT

thats an after thought on microsoft part as they know PS3 is going to win!!

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Moose O Death — Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:30:01 GMT

i don't know if my last post will show or not but from quick research into the fillrates. the ps3 is 24pixelpipes x 550MHz = 13.2 GP/s based on mild research into the 7800gtx, must be taken with a grain of salt though as according to the review i saw on the 7800gtx that is not the actual fillarte as the ROP's actually do the final output and they have less of those, it works out as a much lower 8.8GP/s. the x360 using unified shader pipelins is somewhat harder to work out using that formula, but according to the microsoft whitesheets it achieves 16GP/s WITH 4xAA enabled. essentially AA is apparantly free anyway so don't pay that too much heed. but if the x360's fillrate almost doubles the ps3's why is it HD gaming starts with them?

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Moose O Death — Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:48:49 GMT

there's no issue here, you WILL get better quality visuals from the 720p resolution, extra pixels are useless if it's going to take a ridiculous amount of extra power to use them all. why bother with 2,073,600 pixels that need to be calculated from a range of billions of possible colours, when you could calculate 921,600 in half the time? the massive difference in draw time means twice as much eye candy CAN be utilised. go find the fillrate of the gpu's run those numbers through multiplied by sixty.....they both fit? sure now multiply them by 2-4 times and they will get pretty damn close to not keeping up, every effect applied to the scene requires it to be redrawn with the required changes to the image. more effects like lighting and shadows, normal mapping, paralax mapping, specularity, refraction, HDR, fresnel, real time reflections, all of these will require extra draw time, some will be carried out together. others will require the GPU's full attention. so you have to ask yourself what's more important to you graphically speaking, a sharper edge on a model? or motion blur on bullets fired while in "bullet-time" i personally get more WOW factor from fancy effects then i do from sharper outlines.

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chriskzoo — Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:33:53 GMT

A Game Developer said: "I always find it amazing the uneccessary and often ignorant comments found in the console flame wars. Bruce Dawson is one smart guy. " I don't think most of us are having a hard time understanding what he is trying to say, but the fallacy of the argument is that it is assuming equal processors rendering those scenes. Yes, a system maxing out displaying 720p will obviously have to lower it's quality (read: reduce what it can do with each pixel being shaded, etc.) to display that same picture in 1080p. This is obviously some jab trying to say 1080p (read: PS3) is not all it's cracked up to be because it will have to compromise to throw games out at that resolution versus the 360 which targeted 720p when it was produced. What this tells me is that yes, even though the Fall Update will allow 1080p on the 360, any game produced for that resolution may look better at 720p because it will have to compromise things to get to 1080p. However, this should not in any way be generalized to the PS3 because it is ia completely different system and should not be judged in its ability to do games in 1080p untile we see them.

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A Game Developer — Tue, 24 Oct 2006 01:36:10 GMT

I always find it amazing the uneccessary and often ignorant comments found in the console flame wars. Bruce Dawson is one smart guy. His article is spot on and even if I didn't understand what he was talking about, he's one of the most knowledgeable guys working on the Xbox360, so if he says it chances are 101% its not only true, but he has test cases and statistics to prove it. IMO, when you talk about frame buffers, you have to focus mostly on the GPU hardware. ATI powers the Xbox360, NVidia powers the PS3. Whereas Xbox lost to PS2 in fill rate (alpha blending and such), I think Xbox360 has the edge this time around. 1080i/1080p is the same thing to the GPU, you must fill 1920x1080 pixels. If I have some super neato (tm) pixel shader doing per pixel lighting with normal maps, etc (this gen) its going to take more time per pixel to render than straight diffuse texture rendering with directional lights (last gen). Do you want to be fillrate bound or cpu bound? I think to get 'next-gen' graphics, most games stand to be fillrate bound. So they choose 720. I think its just the marketing juggernaut on the rampage, influencing the mostly ignorant masses with buzzwords. Personally I'm sick of graphics buzzwords. I rather focus on great gameplay with last gen graphics and more AI/Physics horsepower. Most of the comments referring to Bruce's email are right up their with Jack Thompson's understanding of the game industry.

re: More on gaming in 1080p

BeerPimp16 — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:44:51 GMT

All the DLP tv's use wobulation because they only have a resolution of 960x1080. Here is a wikipedia explanation of wobulation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wobulation

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MCKLEIN — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:30:43 GMT

HD gaming is beautiful...i cant wait to get the patch and the 1080p, and the wireless headset..and of course my racing wheel :)

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Major Nelson — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:00:23 GMT

Uhhh...no I never said anything like that. I don't ever comment anywhere else on the internet as 'Major Nelson' since I can't control who is really Major Nelson anywhere but here. Now you see why.

re: More on gaming in 1080p

chriskzoo — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:54:52 GMT

Am I imagining things or didn't Major originally reference (snicker) at Resistance on the PS3 dropping from 1080p to 720p in his "Gamers Day" post? I see that it's no longer there (again, maybe he didn't write it).

Anyway, I think what Major is trying to tell us in this post is that Resistance will be even better than ever because it is now in 720p rather than 1080p.

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Escobar4LifeX — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:39:15 GMT

Did Major Nelson really say that? Can anyone give me the link to it?

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hENNIFER — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:14:49 GMT

ohmygod..

that was not major.. i doubt he'd risk that cush he's got for you noobs =)

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Aminojaku — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:58:38 GMT

"Xbox Live's Major Nelson said: Jesus Christ! Are you people morons? No offense. 720p is better than 1080p. This should definately end the debate. And please stop with the bullshit on my site please. It's getting annoying. Thanks! cross-posted from Ozymandias If this was really your post, I think you should be fired. Immediately. If not, it should be removed."

I second that emotion...