Show #280: XNA, DRM and more

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FR3SH JIV3 — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:08:16 GMT

Just got around to listening to the show, things have been crazy lately.

Great to hear that you guys are addressing the DRM issue. Thanks for the update, I am anxious to try it out.

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SGT FURY — Sat, 31 May 2008 16:39:40 GMT

Thanks for the link Norrath, I was unaware of this site, but you still haven't listed a provider that uses the 360 as a receiver or DVR. Those partners in the link use other set top boxes like Motorola and Cisco. Under the “Games” section of the MediaRoom website it actually states "Microsoft Mediaroom will soon be available through the hottest gaming console in the market today—the Xbox 360™." So if Microsoft's website says it's not available on the 360 yet, I can't find a provider that does it, and you can't provide one that does, then maybe I'm right on this one? Maybe they missed the “holiday 2007” time frame they stated a year and half ago?

This happens all the time at various companies and normally I wouldn't care, but it is extremely hypocritical of Microsoft to badmouth a competitor about breaking promises knowing that they were going to break one of their own (the Spring Update). Even if they didn’t cancel the update, it would still be hypocritical considering their own problems with the 360. It was unprofessional, unnecessary, and arrogant.

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Norrath Reaver — Sat, 31 May 2008 06:13:18 GMT

SGT FURY

The service for IPTV on the 360 is referred to as MediaRoom.

www.microsoftmediaroom.com

Check out the list of providers down at the bottom of the main screen.

It's a yellow link that says "Many of the world's leading..." blah blah.

You'll see a whole list of people who currently use the IPTV functionality provided by Microsoft.

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Dave — Thu, 29 May 2008 09:16:42 GMT

Another good show, thanks Major. I'm missing the link for the picture of e though.

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a Frisky Dingo — Thu, 29 May 2008 01:34:00 GMT

ha anon 183, that's funny I've always heard from guests on his show about games I haven't heard about and they make the games sound really good and go into detail about how much they care about the game and care for that type of whatever, and I go check the review and they end up being complete crap half the time. Hopefully he can get some better guests.

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THANOS2001 — Thu, 29 May 2008 00:13:53 GMT

Major seems to have forgotten Sony had the Net Yarouze program long before XNA allowed users to make games for consoles. assembler.emugaming.com/.../yarouze.html

Clearly XNA has more potential for full fledged games but since deployment requires a subscription, its possible the XNA plan will end up being more expensive in the long run. Does the deployment tool time out when your subscription ends. I wonder about what happens when the 360 reaches the end of its lifespan. Will deployment be made free at that point? Xbox support ended in a rough way for early adopters of XBOX Live Arcade. What's the plan for the next platform rollover?

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Anon 184 — Thu, 29 May 2008 00:02:57 GMT

Showing that you can remember 1 random fact does not make anyone "intelligent." I don't think the original poster said Trixie was "being dumb" she was just asking to experience more of Trixie's brains than of her bust.

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I Hilltopper I — Wed, 28 May 2008 17:24:50 GMT

Major, it's time that you be more respectful to your guests. You put David Weller on the show as somewhat of a farewell and you give him almost no tme to talk. To me it sounded as if he was fighting to get some air-time. Please stop having Trixie on the show. When you two are together all you do is rip on her. And the woman who thought that she disrepresents the Gamerchicks is right, she does comes across as being dim-witted. Also can you get some decent guests on the show? For the last year it's been the creators or the publicists for these mediocre games that Microsoft just happens to advertise for. Get someone like Ken Livine or Ted Price on the show. They are charismatic guys who make some great games. Bottom line: Your shows are just too boring compared to what 1UP, OXM, and IGN have to offer.

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yolarrydabomb — Wed, 28 May 2008 16:05:37 GMT

I finally listen to the podcast and I very disappoint of you bashing about Sony when they didn't do jack crap. Mr Greenberg was very unproffesional. Makes me wanna return my 360 becasue you monkeys going to delete arcade games which I never atleast try to play yet and you have to buy almost everything, the wi-fi, charge n play, microsoft points, live, etc etc. stop working on arcades and work on something new on the dash board for everybody that can enjoy.

I rather go buy PS3 since they don't ADVERTISE on their XMB.

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yolarrydabomb — Wed, 28 May 2008 15:39:02 GMT

Hi major, I just brought a 360 and I live on the boonies and the only I can connect my xbox is to use satellite internet to download content. I can't play Multi-player online due to the legacy of my internet connection.

I just wondering can you fix the Connect to xbox live becasue sometimes I keep having to relogin 3 times during power up of my 360. Also can you fix a way to bypass connection test so it stop asking me to test. Thanks

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SGT FURY — Wed, 28 May 2008 09:47:36 GMT

Norrath Reaver , I’m not harping on Microsoft for something they have zero control over, it was a list of items they announced and/or promoted. Obviously there are partners involved that can affect the release and success of these things, but in the end they chose the formats and dates.

HD DVD was spearheaded by Toshiba, no question there, but we’ll have to disagree if Toshiba would have fought on without Microsoft’s support. Sure a working physical player may have usefulness, but you’re playing with semantics. It’s obvious I was talking about HD DVD as a format since there are no more players being made, there are no new movies coming out after June, and the HD DVD group disbanded. I was wrong about the number though, it’s closer to 300,000 Xbox customers with this dead format.

Have you actually been to the U-verse site? Look at the receivers they use and you’ll see two Ciscos and a Motorola. If you type in “Xbox” into the search engine you’ll get zero hits, so it doesn’t look like they’re using Xboxes. Go to Xbox.com and look up IPTV or Microsoft.com/tv and see if you can find a partner that’s currently using the 360 as a receiver or DVR. I can’t. If I’m wrong about stating IPTV through the 360 isn’t widely available where IPTV is and it is one of the items they’re not delivering on, then I think you can understand why.

Anyway, debating these two points distracts from the main point. That being that someone in Aaron’s position who criticizes a competitor about not living up to promises while cancelling a highly anticipated update to their own product shows an amazing amount of ignorance and arrogance. It was bad enough the update was cancelled, but the way the story broke and how the Xbox team handled this was a complete insulting mess.

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SUFFEL77 — Wed, 28 May 2008 09:39:33 GMT

To sum this up: Microsoft especially the XBOX 360 department/management took a hugh backstab in creditibility and support from the community. Greenberg tells us how bad Sony is when it comes to fullfill promises by breaking a advertised promis .... again. And he even had the guts to speak it out personally. Then they try to calm us down by telling us stories why this happened. I don´t care what you did at the backend, cause thats your duty. We all pay for that!

For the small chance big news are comming up on E3 and i´m not talking about a bigger fall/winter update, I woul be still pissed. You guys owe it to us giving news and information and not to some stupid media effective con (E3) where you celebrate yourselves.

I hope that you (Major) are under a muzzle cause I´m still thinking that this is not your style to act upon the community.

I want clearence and I want (even if this is just a dream) that the greebergs and whittens get their a.... out of xbox business

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Norrath Reaver — Wed, 28 May 2008 06:52:07 GMT

SGT FURY I understand perfectly, but you're harping on Microsoft for something that they have 0 control over.

HD-DVD was a Toshiba baby from beginning to end.

The only thing MS had was their HDI tech, which anyone (even the BD Group) can license for content.

Also I'm afraid that it is you who is misinformed on when Toshiba was going to bow out or not.

Toshiba always planned to go ahead and try to win the market. They just lost plain and simple.

Also the player isn't dead. I can still get titles for it and use it as a secondary DVD drive to save wear and tear on the 360 for movies.

Also as I have stated Uverse uses the 360 as a set top box.

I've already given a link to their site before. If you can't find it then just accept my word.

Areas that actually use IPTV can use the 360 as a settop box.

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AMT — Wed, 28 May 2008 01:13:31 GMT

G4 has jumped on the Xbox Live bandwagon with three shows for the marketplace. Hopefully we will see a bunch more shows/networks and especially in HD making an appearance after E3 knocks our socks off!!!

E3 is gonna be a blockbuster, and who brought the information to you first.....ME! (Although I might be "not correct" :P Check my BIO for the outside scope.

Speaking of G4, oh where oh where did TECHTV go? :(

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SGT FURY — Wed, 28 May 2008 00:11:51 GMT

Norrath Reaver, you're missing the point. If the Director of Product Management for Xbox 360 and Xbox Live is going to bash a competitor saying that they have “a history of over promising and under delivering”, and then fail to deliver on its own promises, it either shows ignorance or stupidity. On the heels of cancelling the Spring Update it shows both.

You clearly don't know the origins of the format war between HD DVD and Blu-ray, as Microsoft was much more than a merely licensee and, arguably, if it wasn't for their involvement Toshiba would have bowed out in 2005 and the format war would have been averted in the first place. Either way, the point was they chose to back and promote HD DVD, it failed, leaving over 150,000 Xbox 360 customers with this dead technology.

They said IPTV through the 360 would "be available to consumers by holiday season 2007", that hasn't happened. It’s not Xbox’s biggest sin on my list, but it was to reinforce the point that Xbox has some promises they haven’t delivered on either. I know that IPTV has had a slow roll-out due to infrastructure costs, but even in the areas where you can get IPTV I haven't seen a provider offer the 360 as a playback device as they appear to be using other set-top devices. If I'm wrong, please post a link.

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TOMCATS — Tue, 27 May 2008 23:41:13 GMT

Great show!! Glad to hear about the DRM tool!