Arcade: Elements Of Destruction

re: Arcade: Elements Of Destruction

FTICRMS — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 07:22:41 GMT

First of all, this game is fun and well worth the $10 I paid for it.

As for pricing, $10 is a fair price for an original arcade game. Even if the game isn't particularly large, creating a game is a lot of work and I'd like to see smaller developers flourish. Even though we'll wind up with a couple of Bliss Islands and Space Giraffes we'll also get some great games like Outpost Kaloki X and Assault Heroes.

I'm a little more annoyed about the hard drive prices (even though I already own the 120 GB). I doubt we'll see the ability to add arbitrary hard drives to the 360, though. MS is probably pretty paranoid about DRM issues, game saving, running Linux, etc. "Security through obscurity" rarely works very well but it at least seems to be keeping the lid on the most egregious abuses in this case.

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Dan — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:46:35 GMT

Until Microsoft release the Video Marketplace in Australia and other regions (which they never will), there is no way that I wll be purchasing the 120GB hard drive. What's the point? 14GB is plenty of space for all my game saves and content

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Bleoww — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:45:52 GMT

God, all these M$ apologists make me sick.

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Col J Matrix UK — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:45:16 GMT

The reason I'm complaining about the 800 points is that it never divides down well. I buy 1000 points, 800 is spent on an arcade game, then I'm always left with very little (to spend on a theme or something). I think if they either made the games 500 or made the Add Points 1600 it would work better.

The points people are making about the 120GB hard drive are true, it's way over priced. I keep looking out for preowned ones in the shops but they're usually missing the transfer cable.

External HDD drives should be allowed to store demos, downloaded games and marketplace movies on. Profiles should be locked to the official storage devices, that way people can't hack them, whilst still allowing extra file storage.

Also, what's the limit in size that the 360 can read from a USB?

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mogamer — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 02:25:43 GMT

The comment about the HDD price is right on. MS wants use to buy download content, then price gouges us when it comes to storing all of this stuff. What's wrong with allowing us to use a 3rd party usb HDD? As far as game pricing goes, the free demos allow us to determine if we want to spend the points on a game or not. So 800 points doesn't bother me a bit.

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Quicksand — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:32:33 GMT

Will the complaints about pricing ever end. Many of these games are no longer in the 50 mb limit but larger, which may take up more time and resources. Maybe the developers would actually like to make a profit? God forbid.

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Etrian — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:12:16 GMT

People complaining about points should start comparing the amount of time they play with their retail games, versus the amount of time they play with their Arcade ones.

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As The Sun Dies — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:38:12 GMT

Jesus, 800 points is 6 pounds, its the same price as the crappy OXM mag and other mags are. What the hell is the problem here, they are not expensive.

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KP ScuzzyBunny — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:03:34 GMT

Shaggy had it about right...retro games (old console games and arcade coin-ops) go for 400 (and are usually met with a ton of complaints from people wanting "new" games), original games and old games "re-made" (like Pac Man CE) go for 800-1200 depending on whatever random structure (and everyone complains that there aren't enough 400 point games), and the high 1600 price point is supposed to be for "big" games (like the Penny Arcade one), but has also been tagged on a few others in the past (Lumines and I believe Bankshot Billiards...though that one might have only been 1200- it was expensive at the time whatever the price). All that really matters is that no matter the game or price, there will always be people excited about it who will buy it, and there will always be people moaning about the high price and how they are waiting for _______. Today's releases are games I have never heard of or played, so it's demo first for me. Speaking of which...no matter the price or size of the game, there is ALWAYS a FREE demo on XBL that let's you play it to see if you think it is worth the purchase. What I want to know is when the price on the 120GB drives is dropping...I just purchased a 750GB SATA for my PC for $119 (with shipping), so $179 for a 120GB drive almost seems like price gouging.

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FunkyCD — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:50:20 GMT

Its actually going the other way. Instead of lowering the price, they are increasing it now with the introduction of the 1600 point scheme.

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WAHsu — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:05:31 GMT

I believe they started the pricing with size to points, but now... who knows, they don't care if we are pleased or not. Microsoft doesn't care about its user-base. But in a world where nobody cares, why do we expect them too?

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Bluce — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:47:49 GMT

Shaolin,

worth more than 400? What... like Streetrace, Geon, Frogger 2, Wits and Wagers, Buku Sudoku and various other straight-to-delisting candidates?

re: Arcade: Elements Of Destruction

Strongparm — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:39:11 GMT

A solid 7.9 rating for Elements of Destruction on IGN (video review) with Team Xbox giving it a 7.8.

IGN

xbox360.ign.com/.../881913p1.html

Team Xbox

reviews.teamxbox.com/.../p1

re: Arcade: Elements Of Destruction

Strongparm — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:35:14 GMT

Personally, I think it would be cool to allow the pricing be adjusted, so if after several months at 800 points it could go down to 400 points and then maybe free. Similar to DLC where it comes out at 800 points and then several months down the road it comes out for free...

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RainbowDespair — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:33:44 GMT

I don't know why people get into a frenzy about 800 point games. For the longest time, the 400 point games have consisted of ports of ancient games, Geometry Wars, and Space Giraffe. I don't know why people think that they're suddenly going to start pricing new original games at 400 points.

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Shaggy2000 — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:42:05 GMT

I always thought that the pricing system worked like this.

Old remakes: 400 points

New games/new remakes (like the new pac-man): 800 points

New large games: 1200

How the recent Penny Arcade game fits into this I dont know, but that was how I assumed it all worked.