Xbox One and Used Games

We know there is some confusion around used games on Xbox One and wanted to provide a bit of clarification on exactly what we’ve confirmed today. While there have been many potential scenarios discussed, today we have only confirmed that we designed Xbox One to enable our customers to trade in and resell games at retail.

Beyond that, we have not confirmed any specific scenarios.

Another piece of clarification around playing games at a friend’s house – should you choose to play your game at your friend’s house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile.

   
   

Update: See this updated post on the issue

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  • Mik3t

    So the last comment confirms a fee when signed in on another account? what about the family..?

    EDIT: Maybe its similar to xbla games any id on the console can play (i hope so)

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    • http://www.facebook.com/AutomaticOcelot AutomaticOcelot GB

      An inference is not a confirmation when there’s other possibilities. But you’re probably right. 🙂 And they already got rid of the XBL family account packs, so that’s probably a moot point.

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    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brian-Eyekon-Koehler/500773583 Brian Eyekon Koehler

      Yea that would make the most sense as long as you are using the same console the game should work fine and if you want to play it on another console it also simple use your name and there you go

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    • Chuck

      My family owns multiple consoles this arrangment woule mean my wife couldn’t play a game we purchased on her console after I’m finished with it unless we pay a fee. no thanks.

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  • kingcrusher

    So I’m assuming it’s more like the passcode for the game on one system, and if you buy a game used, you have to pay to get a passcode for that game on your system. So really, not much changed, and it’s most likely once again a scenario that I really don’t like. The whole attempt to tamper with used sales is ridiculous anyways. I’m hoping it’s not like that, or we are really going down a slippery slope. Will continue and then go down down down. Just my opinion.

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  • Guest

    cant wait for you to knuckle and dime us, let me guess, 4.99 licence fee? good for 1 week?

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    • http://www.facebook.com/cbrennan4289 Christopher Brennan

      Nope Phil Harrison said that it requires a fee equal to the cost of the game. So basically it doesn’t support used games.

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    • http://www.facebook.com/cbrennan4289 Christopher Brennan

      or renting games.

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  • Drew Beckett

    With the Kinect being required, can you still have it hooked up to the console, but disable certain functions like the mic or camera, or both?

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    • http://www.facebook.com/AutomaticOcelot AutomaticOcelot GB

      Tape. 🙂

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      • http://twitter.com/sqlrob Rob

        You’re assuming it can’t tell it’s blocked and consider that “off”

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  • cmpgk1024

    >should you choose to play your game at your friend’s house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile.
    That’s still always-online DRM, and those games will be useless when the servers inevitably shut down in the future.

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    • Mik3t

      Similar to xbla games i would think, your main console does not need to be online to play but other do using your gamertag

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    • Chuck

      Im more concerned about playing the same game on a different xbox under a different account in my own house. We have consoles in multiple rooms and ‘loan’ each other games.

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  • Frnicatr

    As long logging into my friends Xbox with my account doesn’t take 30 minutes then I have no problem with that. However, it means if I borrow a game from a friend there will be a used game fee if I don’t have their profile signed in.

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  • Blastiel

    So that is the rental market killed and the “lending it to a friend” killed. What happened to make the game industry so anti-gamer?

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  • @Davekraft400

    If I were able to play used games/trade in, I’m happy in saying that I will be buying the new Xbox.

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  • Jason Lafitte

    cant wait for you to knickle and dime us, let me guess, 4.99 for a 1 week licence rental?

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  • NBA Kirkland

    Bottom line, you can’t rent games anymore because when your game arrives you will still have to buy it to play it. Drastic changes, folks.

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  • Just Me

    So if I rent a game from Gamefly, I have to pay an extra fee so I can play it on my Xbox One? Not liking that….

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    • disqus_SQcUfgeW4x

      According to what was said today, if you rented a game from Gamefly, you would have to pay a fee and the fee is set by Microsoft, a rather new game would cost you the entire retail value…No word about what they would do for an older game but they do get to set the “fee” so I’m guessing around 20 bucks

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    • http://www.matthewborgard.com/ Matt Borgard

      You will not be renting XONE games. It would cost you the full retail price of the game to install.

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    • StormRaging

      I’m pretty sure gamefly is going to be in trouble if this happens because sadly Sony will probably follow suit. I’m hopeful they don’t

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  • realdomdom

    ” […] playing games at a friend’s house – should you choose to play your game
    at your friend’s house, there is no fee to play that game while you are
    signed in to your profile.”

    And if not?

    There was definetely no confusion about this.

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    • Chuck

      What if my wife chooses to play the same game on her console under her account across the hall?

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  • Gareth Andrew Case

    Perhaps Microsoft in their infinite wisdom should learn to hush the beaks before they say something that condemns them. as it stands MS have a lot of angry customers now. it could have been avoided if clarity was afforded. Now nothing that you or MS can say will sound like anything other than “oops, quick, dust it under the rug”

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    • realdomdom

      I think people have understood quite well. Microsoft just thinks people don’t dislike what they said, but missunderstood it. A typical case of denial.

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      • TheRealRager

        exactly

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  • LarZen

    “should you choose to play your game at your friend’s house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile.”

    So in other words should my friend borrow the game he has to pay a fee to play it on his profile…..

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    • http://twitter.com/UMJM13 John

      Not really. Sure, that could still be the case, but that’s not how positive confirmation works. They haven’t addressed this scenario at all.

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    • Chuck

      What if my wife chooses to play the same game on her console under her account across the hall? Yes I own multiple consoles with multiple accounts, why hose me MS?

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      • Z4M0

        Exactly my thoughts… If it ends up that way I won’t ever have the next gen xbox as we can’t affort 2 copies of each game (as we buy lots of games a month) nor the space to hold them.

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    • http://twitter.com/NAVARiN Bennijin

      In 2003 I copied my gamertag to a friend’s original Xbox so that he could play Phantasy Star Online. Even offline you still had to have a gamertag on the system before it would let you play.

      It was stupid then and it’s stupid now.

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      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Curtis-Isabell/1036013363 Curtis Isabell

        this sounds like a horrible experience, I put my profile on my friends xbox for something before, i forget what.. the thing wouldn’t download there so never got to do what i was trying to do… lame.. went home and couldn’t sign in because i had to download my profile onto my own console… wtf. took over an hour to download because I had to try 2000 times to download it.

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      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bush-O-Connor/555604190 Bush O Connor

        i lost my profile for 4 days because of this curtis. stuck between two consoles.

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  • ungeheier

    Major when I install a game, does that mean I own a license of that game? Will i be able to download the game from Xbox Live at another time, or will I only be able to install from a disc?

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    • Alex_Atkin_UK

      Its already been mentioned elsewhere, yes you can.

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  • CaptainPedge

    The reason why there is so much confusion is that its an unbelievable policy and no one outside of microsoft has any idea why on earth you are forcing this on us.

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    • EndrzGame

      Not forcing it on me. I just chose not to buy. Simple solution.

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  • SebMoss

    The lack of full clarification in of itself is a clarification that something sinister is afoot.

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    • guest

      You are so right.

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  • freddie__t

    What about my familys scenario?
    We have 4 xbox 360’s in the house, this means we would need to buy 4 fifa’s, 4 CoDs, 4 Battlefields. Something we can’t afford, may have to switch to sony

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    • Nick Montoya

      Dude….re read what he just said smfh…..woooow these sony gaystation whores are just nuts

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    • http://twitter.com/NAVARiN Bennijin

      Not to mention the Family Pack’s gone down the drain now, which was MADE for people like you.

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    • ParanoidAndroid

      Exactly. I have two consoles, one upstairs and one downstairs. I use them both daily. The way all of this is worded, we won’t be able to buy a single game and use it on two machines in the same house. I don’t get it.

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      • freddie__t

        It’s actually ridiculous. They don’t see it from this point of view. They think that everyone lends games to everyone non stop, buys only pre owned or pirates non stop.

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    • twicetheprice

      “we would need to buy 4 fifa’s, 4 CoDs, 4 Battlefields. Something we can’t afford”

      It’s exactly what MS and Publishers want you to do.

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  • Brian

    My only worry is that if buy a game that my wife and I will play on our separate profiles but the same console that we’ll have to pay more. Hope it’s like the 360 where is tied to the profile and console.

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    • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Smith/100005362302000 John Smith

      Why should a game disc that I buy from a store be tied to ANY console? That has never happened in the past. Why is it necessary to do it now?

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      • Brian

        You are missing the point. I’m saying that if it’s tied to JUST the profile then that would mean if I got Bioshock Infinite so my wife and I could both have our own playthroughs separately on our profiles we would be unable to even though we share the same console.

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      • Alex_Atkin_UK

        You will be fine as its clearly going to work identical to when you buy XBLA titles.

        These new scheme is simply making all games digital downloads, the disc is just so you don’t have to do the download itself.

        What sucks about all this is it means NEXT generation we may lose ALL our games. As while in a few years time we will no doubt lost the ability to download our Xbox 360 digital downloads, with Xbox One once it is expired you will lose the ability to play any games, period.

        I wish they would just switch to a subscription model where I can play ANY game for a flat fee rather than this. At least that way its up front and honest that there will be a cut-off point where our games stop working.

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  • https://twitter.com/#!/BeeDizz BeeDizz

    I don’t care about used games, I buy new. hat I want to know is, if me and my kids each have our own Xbox Ones and Xbox Live accounts, can I buy a new, single player game, and allow my kids to play on their own console in their own room without having to pay more? Simple question I can’t seem to find an answer to.

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    • http://twitter.com/rogXue rogXue

      and without you having to be signed into 2 different consoles at the same time on the same account.

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    • Blastiel

      The answer is no mate, it’s one game disc per account. If you want your kids to be able to use it you would have to deactivate the game (how the mechanics for that work god knows) and then it is “free” to use on a new tag. If you didn’t it is treated as a new game and you would have to pay the full RRP. Disc isn’t needed once game is installed.

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      • http://heinriker.myopenid.com/ Hein

        Not even that, since they haven’t explained the re-sale system. You would possibly have to pay an additional smaller fee to re-install on the second console. Rather than the fuller price you would pay.

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      • Blastiel

        Phil Harrison confirmed that it would be a full RRP charge

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      • http://heinriker.myopenid.com/ Hein

        That’s if you want to install it on two systems with one cd. I’m talking about about sharing with your friends like it would be a re-sale scenario, where you would disassociate the game with your account and hand it over to your friend. That should let the friend play since its no longer associated with your account. Since M$ hasn’t given the details on the re-sale process, you still might have to pay a fee albeit a smaller one to play a game previously associated with another. Unless I’m mistaken and they have put out the plan on how the used games thing work?

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  • djjsin

    why dont you just make a free install/paid install option.

    Free install installs the game to your system and deactivates it from all other xbox live accounts

    Paid install installs the game to your system and does not deactivate it from other Xbox Live accounts.

    that way games can be traded between friends, they just free install the game and it gets deactivated from the owners account. when they give it back the owner free installs the game and it deactivates from a friends account. Used games can be delt with like this, rented games.

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    • Alex_Atkin_UK

      Because the whole reason to lock games down like this is to kill the used game/rental market. Otherwise they would have just stuck with the previous system of requiring the disc to be in the drive before you can play.

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      • djjsin

        no thats not the reason. the reason is the instant switching.

        If i’m installing the game to my harddrive, its then unnecessary for me to put in the disc. If i’m instantly switching around between games, movies, music, skype, web, tv, and other on this console, its going to be dumb to switch to a game, and then have to get up and put in a disc. it just defeats the whole purpose of the instant switching.

        I’m glad about this change. having to put the disc after its installed to the drive just to prevent piracy is stupid.

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      • djjsin

        no thats not the whole reason. the reason is the instant switching. why instantly switch around to then have to get up and change the disc. defeats the whole purpose.

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      • Alex_Atkin_UK

        That’s what they WANT you to think.

        But do you SERIOUSLY believe this was mostly done to help the end user experience, or is it more likely because they want to kill the second-hand games market?

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      • Alex_Atkin_UK

        Did you not read the first post?

        There are ways of having all your games installed to the HDD and never needing the disc and STILL allow rental,second-hand sales, etc.

        However they chose the easy way out, they just made all games technically digital (so they now have the same DRM restrictions as XBLA titles) rather than thinking up a new system that retains users rights to transfer ownership of their content between other users.

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  • http://www.doblu.com/ Matt Paprocki

    This shouldn’t be complicated and there shouldn’t be mixed messages. Will the hubbub prior to the show, you knew there would be questions, and you failed to answer them. Now you’re in damage control with the message being mixed from a dozen different sources that casts more doubt whether this hardware is set to further erode the consumer’s rights, and NO ONE is talking about the console itself.

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  • ZeoVGM

    So basically, this blog is yet another carefully worded PR rehash?

    “should you choose to play your game at your friend’s house, there is no
    fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile.”

    No, that’s not the issue people have and you KNOW it, Larry. The problem is giving your friend a game to borrow for a few days. Does he or she have to pay a fee?

    And clearly, that would mean if you buy a used One game from GameStop, there would always be an extra fee attached to it.

    It’s a yes or no question but Microsoft is playing very coy about it and now you are as well. I’ve always respected you but you’re repeating the same PR corporate speak that’s been going around all day.

    This blog doesn’t clarify anything. So you and this company need to clarify it. Because right now, you’re being compared to Nintendo with the N64 and Sony with the PS3: a gaming company about to hit the “third console curse” because you’ve gotten pretty damn cocky and demanding of your customers — you’ve become a company that no longer “gets it.”

    So clarify it and prove us wrong.

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    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Curtis-Isabell/1036013363 Curtis Isabell

      exactly. is it “if you go to a friends house you can play on YOUR profile”
      or

      “if you go to your friends house you can play on A profile”

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    • ZeoVGM

      I also want to add that this feels like what you all have been leading to here with your 360 decisions.

      The first half of this generation was absolutely amazing. One of my favorite times in gaming ever. Back when XBLA had more of an indie-feel and games were the focus. We’ve watched MIcrosoft’s focus move towards non-gaming stuff for the second half though.

      Hell, even something like 1 vs. 100 being canceled was a sign of things to come. I would always defend Xbox Live against those yelling, “But you’re PAYING for online play?” but as time went on throughout the gen, you’ve only taken -away- game-related Gold features and added non-game related Gold features. It became harder to defend.

      You’ve made many steps from that have given your fans the feeling that the Xbox platform was changing for the worst and now we’re being told by your corporate vice president, Harrison, that we have “permission” to play our own games that we buy.

      Well, uh thanks? I guess?

      You guys can still stop from becoming Sony 2006. Will you?

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      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bush-O-Connor/555604190 Bush O Connor

        spot on. first half of the 360’s life cycle was great. then along came the NXE and Avatars downhill ever since.

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      • ZeoVGM

        To be fair, Avatars are apparently gone on the One but honestly, I’m kind of bummed about that. Avatars were fun. Sure, a blatant copy of Miis but Microsoft did it much better.

        And really, I didn’t mind NXE. It was the third and current Windows 8-esque dashboard that I dislike.

        But dammit, bring back the simple blades and 1 vs. 100. Oh, and the days when XBLA wasn’t buried under a thousand menus.

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      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bush-O-Connor/555604190 Bush O Connor

        remember the switch from Blades to NXE microsoft bascially ripped everyone off who bought the themes that worked with the blade system, jasus now that i think about it i have no idea why i’ve been with xbox at all from the start of the 360. they killed off using cheat codes in games, got away with charging people for battery packs and charge to play online. they are worse than EA lol

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    • http://www.facebook.com/justin.rycaj Justin Marek Rycaj

      #PS4ConsoleKing

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  • Does Not Equal

    I understand that used games don’t make the publishers any money, and I get why Microsoft and the publishing industry would want to restrict that. To that end, if it’s preferable that we buy our games new or digitally, then lower the price. If you’re not losing profits from used sales, then you don’t have to charge so much for new games, while digital downloads don’t require any physical manufacturing and should be discounted accordingly.

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    • Rafael Angelo Hernandez

      I agree I’m seriously thinking of buying a ps4 now and I supported Xbox since the first one hell I might just go trade in my xbox 360 for ps3

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      • Does Not Equal

        Why? Did your 360 suddenly stop being enjoyable? Do you suddenly not like the games any more?

        You know that Sony and Nintendo have been trying to come up with ways to do this same thing for years. Nintendo’s trying to go full digital with their current handheld, and Sony had considered used-blocking games on the PS3. This isn’t a new thing.

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    • https://twitter.com/#!/BeeDizz BeeDizz

      I DON’T understand it. Once a game has been sold new, the developers made their money on that game. Why is this industry the only one that tries to make more money off a item that’s resold?

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Smith/100005362302000 John Smith

    Major, it looks like there is no confusion whatsoever. When you say, “enable our customers to trade in and resell games at retail”, what you really mean is, “allow our customer to pay an extra fee when they buy a used game.”

    And what about lending my game disc to a friend? Why should my friend pay an extra fee just because he’s borrowing my game? After all, if he has the disc, then I can’t play the game, so why should it cost him more money?

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