Xbox One and used games

Over the past few days, we have been reading comments and message boards following the Xbox One announcement. There are a few questions regarding used games. I wanted to clarify and provide this official statement:

The ability to trade in and resell games is important to gamers and to Xbox. Xbox One is designed to support the trade in and resale of games. Reports about our policies for trade in and resale are inaccurate and incomplete. We will disclose more information in the near future.

 
 

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  • senselocke

    It wasn’t reported wrong, people reported what Microsoft and its representatives themselves said, in their reveal and in interviews with executives. It was reported correctly, Microsoft either didn’t prep their execs well, made a reveal presentation that lied… or they’re backpedaling as fast as they can now.

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  • http://twitter.com/cipero Matt Cipriano

    It’s just so ridiculous that you and the rest of Microsoft could just come out and put these matters to bed with a simple statement, seriously it boggles my mind why you people insist on coming out with such convoluted answers, which just encourages more speculation and anger.

    To build hype is one thing, but to build anger and turmoil among your consumers is what’s making me think that either way you don’t care about them, even the ones who still will defend you. I don’t get it, and quite frankly I’m disappointed in the company I’ve been gaming under for the last decade.

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    • Assassin

      sadly, i really doubt they will say ANYTHING about this, i think at E3 all they will talk about is how much better their graphics are than PS4. I really don’t think they will even mention how they plan to resolve any of this cause they themselves don’t even know…or just don’t care

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      • http://twitter.com/cipero Matt Cipriano

        Well, the more I think about who they could possibly be aiming this console at, the more I feel E3 is going to be a bunch of Kinect games like working out and dancing…things for these families to do together and not for gamers like myself who play for the twists in the plots and the competition online.

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    • jan olsen

      Trut me, they didnt build much hype with that show.

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      • Assassin

        all xbox one is , is a $500 cable box. to much time an effort was spent on tv and dvr when all of us all ready have that. and it’s a nice option, it should not have been the main focus. nor should have Kinect . It should have been an option as well.

        an somehow they got it in their F*** up heads that we all have the xbox in our living rooms…um…no. I know ton’s of people, including me that it’s in their bedrooms, or home office or what not…an yet they make it as big as a damn DVR box and just as ugly.

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      • http://twitter.com/cipero Matt Cipriano

        trust me, I know. My 360 is hooked up to my second monitor right next to the desktop I’m on. The kinect and their TV hub offer me nothing at all.

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      • Assassin

        i hear ya buddy, i swear i dont know who they have working for them telling them this is what gamer’s want…cause those guys? need to be fired, stat.

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  • senselocke

    Large Number theory. A polling sample size of 1,000 people is enough to predict the trends of 10 million to within five percentage points. 1,000 here might not seem like a whole lot, but it really is. And several polls of fifty-plus thousand people is overwhelming.

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  • Luis Daniel

    WE SAY NO FEE TO RENT/BUY AND PLAY USED GAMES(xboxone)

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    • Anon

      WE SAY NO FEE TO RENT/BUY AND PLAY USED GAMES(xboxone)

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  • Jannett

    WE SAY NO FEE TO RENT/BUY AND PLAY USED GAMES(xboxone)

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  • jan olsen

    I thought the entire meaning with consoles was no DRM and easy to use. Might as well buy a PC.

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    • http://twitter.com/cipero Matt Cipriano

      that’s a great point. Why do gamers choose consoles? PCs, by all means, are better..if not straight out of the box then at least they can be upgraded. Games are cheaper, and surely they make controllers for them. So why do they choose a console? Most likely it’s because it’s a dedicated place for gamers. The lines are clear..the community is nothing, but gamers. It seems Microsoft wants to blur those lines and create a pc experience where it’s probably least desired.

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  • jan olsen

    What happens to my console 15 years down the road when there are no servers to support it? I like to know if im buying or renting games.

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    • Glacius

      Microsoft thanks you for your support and now you may buy their next overpriced OS that comes with your store-bought PC whether you want it or not. Actually, maybe by then that will be another area where they have been outdone by Google.That wouldn’t surprise me. I mean, really, the only thing MS has going for them at this point is how much legacy software is dependent upon their stuff, and I think they know it. That’s part of what this weird play for television and all this nonsense is about, I think. PCs aren’t even selling like they used to these days, and we all know whose tablet everyone is buying (which is a whole other can of worms, but that’s neither here nor there.)

      Just remember what company you’re dealing with here. They will do whatever they can get away with. They will even blatantly break certain laws if they figure the gains will outweigh whatever settlements they might end up paying. Typical huge corporation b.s., I guess.

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    • senselocke

      This is my penultimate concern. If game verification is required, the entire platform, console, and all games, DLC, add-ons become not only worthless, but valueless and non-functional WHEN they pull the plug.

      Meaning games on X1 will have an expiration date, and be less valuable than on any other platform.

      I buy games as a collector and to own, and play, for years and decades. To play with my kids, nephews, nieces and grandchildren. This, right here, is the biggest failure in a whole slew of failures.

      The ONLY way I would accept something like this is if A) the check was once every three months or more, and B) If Microsoft had a GUARANTEE in the TOS (enforceable by law) that WHEN they kill the platform, all games, DLC, add-ons are unlocked forever. Without that clarification of the end of service, nothing about the X1 holds any lasting value.

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      • http://twitter.com/cipero Matt Cipriano

        I agree wholeheartedly. Console games are not cheap..and people take pride in the library they accumulate over the years.It’s a gaming conquest. Even after planned obsolescence you are capable of keeping your system and your games and playing indefinitely with no online when they pull the plug. With a system that requires constant verification and stages of online authenticity..once that online service is cut, so are your games. So…I guess you have to ask yourself…is this something I want to invest in? 70 bucks a game is not cheap.

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  • Rick James

    76 million Xbox 360’s sold, only 46 million Xbox live accounts. Not even taking in to account that some 360’s have more than one account tied to them, Microsoft is alienating at least 39% of their existing 360 install base by requiring the Xbox One to be online when playing a new/used game for the first time.

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    • Assassin

      that’s what i’m saying, when launch day comes, ii just bet they are going to be surprised when they see how many people DON’T get the xbox one.

      An just how much they really did piss all of us off.

      I bet they think just because a few of us are actually on here talking that we don’t represent the whole millions of consumers but they forget , lot’s of us bought several xbox’s and then had our friends an family do the same an by word of mouth we can just as easily, tell them not to buy X1

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  • jan olsen

    “But will mandate regular checks to verify the authenticity of games. ” Source have told Polygon.

    Because as we all know consumers, and gamers in this particular case, love to be treated like criminals.

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    • http://twitter.com/Xbudz John™

      I will not game on any machine that treats me as such.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/shawn.springer.9 Shawn Springer

    They would do nothing. MS profits as they make the thief pay, and you pay for a new game. They are making money from the sale of the game, and resell. Gamestop would require to purchase a fee to unlock the game to sell again, that fee could be passed on to us as we buy used games.

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  • Assassin

    sigh, another xbox employee

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    • BugOut Machine

      I am not employed by MS or any game developers. I simply am stating my opinion and just because it opposes the majority here does not make me any more right or wrong than the rest of you.

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  • JustAnotherGamer

    Greed is a terrible thing!

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  • JustAnotherGamer

    The corporate shills are out in force I see..

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    • Assassin

      lol indeed they are

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  • http://twitter.com/cipero Matt Cipriano

    I feel you if someone broke into your house just to steal your video game, but I just don’t see how that scenario (which is probably rare at best) could justify doing something like this. They just want to be able to double-dip on a single game, and it’s out of greed..not care. Look how proudly they announced their partnership with EA. That’s very symbolic. Yes, I know EA makes a decent game every now and then, but they are the epitome of what it means to screw the gamer, and milk them for all their worth.

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    • BugOut Machine

      I’ve seen a few people leave games in a backpack get taken (say in a dorm room) or left on an airplane in a cd case, etc. I would hope no one would ever come into my house and take a precious games though!

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  • jan olsen

    TV TV TV TV SPORT SPORT SPORT SPORT, COD DOG COD COD COD XBOX GO HOME

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    • Assassin

      and their thing was, well we wanted to wait till E3 to show games. meanwhile they throw out there oh by the way we’re going to be spying on you and your family 24/7 deal with it, an we’re also charging you to let your kid play YOUR OWN used game, deal with it, and yes X1 IS an always on console…deal with it

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      • BetrayedByM$

        who is telling M$ this stuff is what we want? fire them idiots !

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  • jan olsen

    What happens when I lose my connection? What happens if someone steels my code? Polygon sources said you can use a code to trade and share games. What happens if I lose my profile? What happens if someone steals my profile? They get ALL my games in one jaw. What happens if the servers go down? What happens if I get hacked? Screw you.What happes to my console and games 15 years down the road when they stop supporting it?

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    • BugOut Machine

      Why would you say “screw you” to someone for having an opposing opinion? You guys are all worked up over something that is hypothetical and has not been confirmed. I can’t help but chuckle at your ignorance.

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  • jan olsen

    What if I just want to game and relaxe without having to be online?

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    • RED360

      Skrewed

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    • Dylan

      Then you’ve just gotten…XBONED

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    • RED360

      Does any one remember Chrome Hounds?
      Severs down and cant use any of the DLC i paid for😦

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    • BetrayedByM$

      M$ says , deal with it.
      you have to be online

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      • http://twitter.com/sqlrob Rob

        I say not buying. Dealt with.

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  • jan olsen

    Why so mad?? The next Xbox will be the new water cooler! Best function!

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  • http://twitter.com/Xbudz John™

    Authorization checks on software after the initial authorization MUST NOT HAPPEN.

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    • senselocke

      Agreed. With the used game system, it’s redundant, and it puts an expiration date on every game or DLC or add-on sold on the platform–they will not support those servers forever.

      Games that are non-functional in 8-10 years have no value.

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      • http://twitter.com/Xbudz John™

        Exactly. Not enough Haloz, Need for Speeds or Call of Dutyz will ever change this fact. If I don’t truly own my game, then I won’t buy it.

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  • Ed

    Sounds like retail games on disc will be treated like games on demand with all the associated advantages and drawbacks. I like fully owning the game when I buy it on disc so I won’t be buying an Xbox One if this stands. Requiring the Kinect to be connected and requiring an internet connection to play a single-player game are also a deal breaker for me. Microsoft, what were you thinking?

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    • Dylan

      They were thinking short-term profits, and didn’t even consider the state of the world’s internet infrastructure.
      It will bite them in the end.
      They will either be humbled by their actions or completely fall off into irrelevancy.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/andrew.harvey.14268 Andrew Harvey

    what about hackers that hack your console and steal your games???

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    • Assassin

      never thought of that, good point

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    • Steelahlive

      Well hacking generally involves some sort of social engineering that ‘fools’ the individual into revealing a password or/and malware installation on a PC that gets the same information. Or individuals being complacent and using the same password for everything. I for one, as a Cyber Security Professional would worry less about the possibilities of a hack than I would the outright BS we are being told right now by MS. And I’m also an Xbox Ambassador and have chosen to help and push this company (it serves me to as a Stock Holder) But not for long. And no I will not jump ship to Sony, their company doesn’t interest me. I will just stop gaming. Guess there comes a time to call it quits, it’s been a fun ride since 1982 (Commodore 64) Time to hang up the boots.

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      • BetrayedByM$

        your a cyber security Pro? so in your opinion, could the Kinect be hacked?

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      • RED360

        they said developers can program to use it.

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      • Assassin

        so if your dev or work at ms, you can take control over the camera?

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      • Steelahlive

        Don’t know why my original comment didn’t post – I do not think the connect could be hacked in a way that would allow you to eavesdrop on the data pipe between MS and other users no – Not by your average user. MS has already stated that Kinect 2.0 will have SDK support approx. a year after xboxone release, but intercepting the data from the cloud is another possible way to hack if the protection measures aren’t there. The point is the data shouldn’t be collected in the first place.

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      • RED360

        Lol Im there with you.
        Plan to build a PC.
        At leased wont be stuck with on provider.

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    • ℛɛᴛʀᴏ ℛɛᴅ

      #DealWithIt

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    • Max Rocktansky

      What about hackers that hack into your account and spread your 1080p infrared 3D home videos to youtube? (kinda I wish that would happen – then they might wake up)

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  • Assassin

    did u guys see the interview Adam sessller? i have no idea how to spell his last name, the dude from G4 , anyways he was interviewing that Geoff guy from Spike tv for xbox one reveal and he said , or Geoff said, i dont remember who but it made me laugh, but one of them said something like, and so you know, those clapping an yells you heard during the reveal, they we’rent the journalist, they were Microsoft employees at the back of them room…how sad is that? lol

    clapping an yelling for your own product cause none of the journalist cared, lol
    oh if you want to see the video, just go to Adam’s site on youtube😉

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    • BetrayedByM$

      lmao i actually saw that video a couple days ago…

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  • Dylan

    The REAL Jack Tretton from Sony has the top comment on the highlight video from Xbox saying
    “Thanks Microsoft! We will treat your fans just fine I can assure you.”

    If you click on his name, it’s the official playstation page, so it is legit.

    http:// http://www.youtube .com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw

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    • Assassin

      lmao

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    • BetrayedByM$

      lol you know if Sony did everything OPPOSITE of M$ , they would totally win next gen…not that i’m a playstation fan, but really after what ms did to all of us…they would really kick M$ butt

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      • Steelahlive

        unfortunately the game developers are running this generations show. THE Multimedia things are great – I love the all in one box idea – but you must all in one equally- and For/By Gamers attitude is gone – their word (MS) is even more vilified than ever. I just won tickets from Major Nelson too, to see the latest Star Trek movie and was happy – first time I’ve won a contest on Xbox live (besides beta testing NXE when it was developed). Either way, I don’t necessarily blame Larry, it’s his job to try and put out these fires. I just lost a little respect for MS in general for putting him in the position of needing to suffer, at the hand of some very disgruntled 10 year live members such as myself and friends I know are NOT buying this new device.

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    • Dylan

      Since Youtube is cyclical, he isn’t top comment anymore.
      What an awesome comment though

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      • Ed

        It should still be the top comment because it has 48 thumbs up. I wonder what is causing it to not be the top comment.

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      • Dylan

        Microsoft probably. Who knows?

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    • Steve

      You know I have NEVER liked Playstation but seeing that really made me happy… He basically said that they’ll be doing everything different than Microsoft… If that doesn’t change some minds at Xbox I don’t know what will.

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      • Dylan

        Same. Really put a smile on my face.

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    • senselocke

      Jack Tretton is, sadly, a liar, and a huge reason why I didn’t buy a PS3.

      He’s the one who told the world removing PS2 BC made the PS3 cheaper–then turned around and told investors it really didn’t save money, just forced customers to buy new games. So him gloating now is really hollow. It would be a great quote if he wasn’t such a douche himself.

      Me? Probably grab a Wii-U. My daughter’s old enough to game, lotta decent games, it’s backwards compatible so I can grab all (twelve) of the Wii games I wanted. It’s that or PC. Too bad I hate gaming on PC, or maintaining PCs in general.

      If Tretton did a full turnaround and offered BC again, I’d be all rah-rah Sony. But right now, it’s kinda the pot calling the kettle black. (It were funny, though).

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      • Dylan

        Gaikai seems to be able to do BC eventually.

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      • senselocke

        Still online, still temporary. Emulation could work if they’d give it a go–no direct profit, no, but BC is the reason Microsoft made 150+ sales to me–360 had BC.

        I’d be willing to pay $60 for a BC license, if it came with a promise to continue to develop for it. I’d also pay for a hardware slot-in peripheral with PS3/2/1 “guts” (or, for that matter, XB360/Orig “guts”)–that way the cost of the platform stays low but BC-lovers like me can still have it.

        I really think it could be done if they’d put effort into it. And I’d really be willing to pay extra for it. But the big deal with Tretton is that he lied about it–and right now the PS2 hardware needed would cost maybe $6 to make. I can’t imagine a PS3/2/1 chipset would cost more than $15. Same for 360.

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      • Dylan

        True.
        Personally, it’s not as big a deal to me because it pales in comparison to
        Forced Online
        Forced Kinect
        And Fees for Used games
        .
        If Sony has none of these things, I’ll gladly get a PS4, regardless of BC. I understand where you are coming from though. At least they aren’t saying PS4 is the ultimate stand alone, entertainment hub device, like Microsoft is (even though it won’t play 360 games.

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      • senselocke

        Yes, the forced online is the top–as when they kill support for the platform, all games go dead.

        Used fees and forced Kinect are tied for second.

        I just personally would have liked M$ to see that, from the PS4 reveal, the only negative was “no BC”, and reply by offering it–see what’s on offer, offer something better. Instead, they decided to do everything worse.

        At this point, just getting back to parity isn’t enough–I’m gonna need none of the dickery, PLUS BC to even consider an X1. As way of apology, and future-proofing the console. Not likely to happen, but you never know.

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  • DerpieDutch

    Gamers sell used games to buy more games. Its that simple.

    When they can’t sell em properly they have less to spend.

    Not everyone has a Microsoft wage you know.

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  • Bobacreek

    For some reason I have a headache now.

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