Xbox One Smart Match

Earlier today I chatted with Chad Gibson, Principle Group Program manager for Xbox Live Gaming features and Mike Lavin, Sr. Global Product Marketing manager for Xbox Live on our live E3 broadcast. They outlined how the new Smart Match feature works on Xbox Live. Last week, before E3, I had a long conversation with Micheal Dunn from our team who leads the development on the new Smart Match system. I asked him to sum up what his team is putting together for all of us

Asynchronous Matchmaking

I’m Micheal Dunn, Program Manager on Xbox Live Services. I love how console games and especially co-op games bring people together to “spend quality time.” It’s great to play with friends and family online, but it’s fun sometimes to try a new “bar” so to speak and meet new people to play with online. I’ve met people from all over the world while playing on Xbox Live.

We all have better things to do than wait for people to show up to play a game. It would be great if I could start up the flight sim game, see if anyone is online to play, put in my play request and then switch to something else while I wait for people to show up. That is what Smart Match on Xbox One allows people to do. It makes it easy for a title to create a match request and then “untether” me so I don’t need wait in the title while the match search is processing. I can switch to reading a quick social blog or watch a viral video and when the match is ready Xbox One tells me to pull me back into the title to play.

The new Smart Match service allows titles to change their match model from traditional peer-based host searching for players typical in Xbox 360 to now completely untethered cloud-based. The example I gave was for a low population title like a flight sim game, but there are also great results for the more popular shooter and sports titles too.

You will be able to launch a popular shooter or sports title and see the “typical wait time” for different online game modes. For example, imagine a match area for a quick match] that might have a wait time of 1 minute, and then another match area in the title for “match by downloadable content (DLC)” with typical wait time of 7 minutes. Chances are you’d never wait in a game for 7 minutes to play online, you’d just make do with “quick match” and lowest common denominator DLC. With Xbox One titles, you can instead pick the longer “match by DLC” option if you please, see it might take 7 minutes to find a match that night, and switch to another task while Smart Match in the cloud is searching for you. You end up with a much more enjoyable match result since you get to play with people with similar DLC versus just the lowest common denominator levels in the base title. You get to make the most use the latest map or car you just bought to keep the game play fresh and interesting, versus just going into quick match with the same options every night.

With Beacons in Xbox 360 you could set a toast to tell other friends of your desire to play a specific game online. Smart Match on Xbox One goes way beyond that to help you tap into the full player population for a title, versus just the friends you know, and means you skip waiting in a match search screen in the title. This is a true departure from consoles that don’t have a way to switch between tasks quickly. Plus over time Smart Match empowers Xbox One titles to unlock many more ways to play online without the penalty of segmenting the available pool of people each night to match with. This same pattern depending on the title can include player attributes to search for such as very specific skill or social elements like spoken language or even people of similar age. You will see lots of new play styles open up for online play as titles start to experiment more with match types, without you needing to be stuck waiting for players to show up.

With Xbox One, I’m looking forward to putting in my match request in for a super special online play style or specific DLC needed for a play mode, then kicking back and letting Xbox Live do the work to find me a good person to play with while I practice my mad skills. Here’s an example of playing Ryse and then getting a match ready toast to jump into Killer Instinct online play that was shown in Monday’s E3 presentation.

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Reputation
You can usually tell a family member to stop crunching on corn chips in your ear or yakking on the cell phone while they play with you. With a stranger you meet online it doesn’t always turn out that way though. Sometimes you meet someone online that decides it’s cool to hum Top 40 songs as they go through a match or sometimes meet someone that can’t seem to avoid swearing at everything that #$%^ happens to them. The majority of Xbox Live players are polite online and know how to socially adjust to the people they are playing with, but there are some bad apples you run into that just seem to like to cause trouble. With Xbox One we’ve built a new social reputation model to help expose people that aren’t fun to be around, and also create real consequences for those few bad apples that continue to harass our good players.

Sometimes it’s hard for strangers to know what “polite” means with different social norms and backgrounds, and even harder when you aren’t in the same room face to face with someone. You have few social cues to rely on, and typically a stranger sees no real reason to listen to your complaint about their behavior. We all care a lot about behavior on Xbox Live and player feedback options in Xbox One allows you to help educate those who don’t seem to follow good social gaming norms. We simplified the feedback mechanism also to be less of a “survey” and more direct feedback options, even linking things in like block or mute player actions into the feedback model.

All of the feedback from player’s online flow into the reputation service to evaluate a players online social reputation. The more hours you play online without causing others to have a horrible time the better your reputation will be, similar to the more hours your drive without an accident the better your driving record and insurance rates will be. Most players will have good reputations and be seen as “green” good players you’d enjoy playing with. Even those good players might receive a few player feedback reports each month and that is OK. Xbox Live is looking to identify players that are repeatedly disruptive on Xbox Live. We’ll identify those players with a lower reputation score and in the worse cases they will earn the “avoid me” reputation. Looking at someone’s gamer card you’ll be able to quickly see their reputation.

Smart Match sees their Xbox Live rep too and when a person’s social reputation gets low enough the service will only match those low reputation players with similar low reputation players. This gives them the benefit of playing with people just like them. Ultimately we want to help encourage good behavior between strangers. By the way, before a user ends up at this extremely low reputation level we will have sent many different alerts to the user reminding how their social gaming conduct is affecting lots of other gamers. The chart includes examples of the reputation score that will be seen in the gamercard.

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This reputation system will evolve as we track the feedback we get from actual players and titles, plus add more consequences for bad apples that we want to stop #$%^ crunching on corn chips in your ear. All you need to do is block or report players that are abusive, cheat, or causing various amounts of non-fun mayhem and their social reputation will reflect that. We’ll keep the good friendly players together with other good friendly people, and keep a seat for the bad apples in their own special place. Our team and I built this for all of you and we hope you like it!

Comments

  • BoA Wrath

    Can’t they use kinect to block kids from playing 18 games. That would negate the need for the reputation. With a voice over telling the user to get their mum as they are being reported:).
    Xbox:…. How old are you?
    User: 18
    Xbox: No your’re not, this game is now blocked, good day.

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    • CarlosGabriel

      At least all the CoD kids would stop mic spamming on the matches

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    • TonyLN

      Reputation system is for blocking out people that are not fun to play with. I’ve played with more annoying ‘kids’ in their mid-20s then sub-18 year olds.

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    • Spokker

      I would feature over-21 matches.

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  • FoxHound R - Xbox One Day One

    All these new features show that the xbox one is the best gaming console to date. I can’t wait to get mine. I preordered as soon as I could.

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    • xjumper

      DRM ONE

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      • RSix

        no DRM on PS4, really? the publisher decide, pfft.

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        Which is how it is now, pfft.

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    • Bob Van Den Heuvel

      You’re mad. Or a Microsoft employee doing damage control. I think the whole western world (apart from some patriots over yonder) is in disagreement with you.

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  • http://www.timacheson.com/ Tim Acheson

    Master plan for XB1 to annhialate PS4 early on:

    (1) Make Kinect optional, and thus drop basic price by at least £120!

    (2) Relax the 24 hour offline limit, at the very least for consoles which have never connected. Make it 6 months and defeat the critics overnight.

    Microsoft must do both of these things.

    Please, I humbly beg you, pass it on to Xbox management, who must be reading the tech and gaming community reactions to E3 just as I am.

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    • E.Nich

      No six months, or a year, or ever. There shouldn’t exist an offline limit.

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      • http://www.timacheson.com/ Tim Acheson

        I agree, but I’d prefer a compromise to abject failure.

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    • TonyLN

      Not going to happen, the online check in is so you can play the games without a disk. I’d take their current plan (where any of my 10 friends/family members can share games without the disk) over needing a disk without checking in any day of the week. Totally stoked for the way it is working.

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      • http://www.timacheson.com/ Tim Acheson

        That’s why the solution is so easy: if you have the disc, no need to check online! Certainly not every day. And make requirement less frequent for all other cases.

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    • RSix

      not a bad idea, but maybe this is already planned a long time ago?😉

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      • http://www.timacheson.com/ Tim Acheson

        No doubt this has been discussed at length within MS.

        But MS must now react to Sony’s strategy and marketing advantage. This is the deciding moment. The time to act is now.

        I disagree with critics and understand why MS has made these decisions. But what’s important now is winning the marketing war, we can discuss the details later!

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  • CarlosGabriel

    What I hope microsoft do:

    1-You can’t play offline if you don’t have the disc, if you have the disc, it will be the proof that you bought that game, and you’ll be able to play normally

    2-Develop a in-console loan/borrow system (That way you can loan a game for a friend that lives in the other side of the planet, without needing to personally meet him)

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  • deadbox102

    Don Mattrick please shut up. I feel like I’m hearing the VP’s shotgun advice every time you open you mouth about X1. If I want play offline then I’ll buy the PS4 and not a 7-8 yr old 360.

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  • ZEISMAN

    The new matchmaking system sounds great! Love it!

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  • KillerByte

    Just pre-ordered my Xbox One Can’t Wait

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    • Nathaniel Frost

      i can lol

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  • Macy Slator

    Where’s the post about if you don’t have an internet connection, buy an xbox 360? Ha! I keep hoping things would start to look up for the Xbone. These features postings are just MS trying their hardest to win back consumers. Wish a MS spokes person would just come out and do a Q&A. be upfront about it. why beat around the bush when everyone knows what these policies are already?! Maybe they have second thoughts?

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    • TonyLN

      I thought you had said good-bye to Xbox and were never coming back – troll harder please.

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      • Macy Slator

        who hurt you Tony?…who?…it’s going to be alright. there, there.

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    • CarlosGabriel

      They will but they have to come back from E3 and work in a solution before, this will take 1-2 weeks

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      • TonyLN

        For every person on here that doesn’t like the online DRM there are 10 people out there that like the way it will work with family memberships. The whiners are just cry very loud and very often.

        It’s not going to work for everyone, but it will work for most people. I’ve already preordered both consoles – but from talking with my Sister and best friend we will all be getting XOs and setting up a family account so we can all share games.

        The only thing I have found that people don’t like is the name; and it’s too late for them to change that now – and it’s not really a selling point with me.

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      • Macy Slator

        Yes, agreed. the name is probably the biggest problem about the xbox one. Authenticating every 24 hours, not being able to share my purchased disc game to a friend, kinect requirement, not able to trade in games, no true offline play, no support for our armed service members – doesn’t bother me one bit😉

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      • Nick Peck

        Agreed lol. Though they did say they will have some sort of no online code for people like the military and for other certain circumstances. Does it bother me? NOPE.

        I prefer the family plan sharing vs. disc swapping anyways lol as I HATE physical media and prefer digital downloads and the like anyways. everything I own is that likes the internet is plugged into the internet 100$ of the time (and thank god time warner doesn’t have a cap by me yet lol).

        Kinect is fine, you don’t have to use it if you don’t want to, just limit it in the settings and forget it’s there if that’s what you want. I don’t get what the issue is for the tinfoil hate people.

        I’m perfectly happy with how the Xbox One looks and plays which is why I can’t wait to have both of my Day One systems show up… in nov😦 I don’t want summer to end, but… yah I kinda do as I don’t want to wait any longer lol.

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      • ElektroDragon

        Bend over for the Xbone.

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      • Dylan

        The PS4 is full digital as well.
        But it also gives the option for physical.

        Why get a console so restrictive? And its more expensive…

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      • Guest

        Good – doesn’t bother me either! Glad we can agree on something. Just surprised you are so against something just based of of the name.

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      • Ryan

        hahahaha no one cares what you and you bffs and sisters bffs and mommies and daddies do. your not very good at math.

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      • TonyLN

        How is that (the Math part)? — Me (4 people in family) – Sister (4 people in family) – friend & his girlfriend. That’s 10. We all get to use one membership. If any of us buy a game all 10 of us get access to it. Super awesome!

        We will probably have to have 4 copies of Titanfall between us so everyone that plays can play together, but that is no different than how it is now.

        But we will only need one copy of most of the arcade games and most of the single player games. For us it is totally awesome!

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        I wouldn’t count too much on this generosity of having 10 people on a family account. I’m sure MS won’t want people abusing it and letting friends etc access their games. They’d lose more money than not having any DRM at all.

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      • ElektroDragon

        And what if you have two consoles in the house? The other console might as well have the same restrictions as if it were at a friend’s house.. Stop trying to defend these crimes against console gaming.

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      • Willy Chris Hui

        Shared games can be accessed on any console. So it depends on the account, if it has access to another’s shared games or not.

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      • Dylan

        That hasn’t been determined yet.
        Sharing may be locked to an IP address.

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      • ElektroDragon

        Wow, you are daft. The way it will work with “family” memberships is the exact same way it works now. Actually, right now the whole planet can come and play the Xbox 360 games at my house, not just 10 people. And if you have a second Xbox One in the house, all bets are off. It’s a joke.

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  • Kieran

    I’ve zero interest in Kinect. Why force this on people when nobody wants it, Microsoft?

    Microsoft console is 100 Euros more the Sony console. confirmed.

    Will your console have a better gaming experience longterm? Whats the deal here?

    Microsoft, still has not even addressed the fact their hardware seemly is inferior to the hardware that has gone into PS4. But still their machine costs more!

    Why has Microsoft completely ignored talk about the XB1 memory, graphic card and CPU hardware specs?

    Visually games will look more impressive on PS4 How do justify the price difference realistically then?

    By not allowing the trading of games and the purchasing of pre-owned games. To play games on the XB1 every game will have to be brand new. XB1 users will be paying more for their games than PS4 gamers. How do you not get away with this Microsoft?

    Why is Microsoft not allowing offline play. Do you not know Internet costs it not free? The standard of internet in rural areas is still abysmal, you not know that? You Microsoft are stopping thousands of people from ever thinking about getting your console.Well done.

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    • ElektroDragon

      If you live in Europe and speak English, the stupidest thing you could do is buy the region locked console.

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  • Ryan

    They will be avoiding me because I didnt buy one not because im disruptive. Or perhaps youd prefer, they wont get the pleasure of my company, because I wont be buying one. but hey at least I still have a 360 (which ill be haulting purchases on.

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    • Nick Peck

      And no one cares and if you feel the need to not buy MS products anymore, just don’t bother coming here and commenting. What is with this “need” people have to say they are going for the other guy? No one cares, move along and enjoy whatever you play on.

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      • Ryan

        dont tell me what to do gestopo, if i want to do it I will, and your opinion wont sway me any. I tell you what Ill grant your request if you do the same, no one cares what Im not going to do equally as much as they dont care what you are, except for the fact Im an intellagent (aside from my obvious love to use words I cant spell or have ambition to look up, and my arguements invaildate your almost instantly, why do you feel this way? scared of a little critism microsoft?

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      • TonyLN

        I agree with Nick, Unless you are trolling let’s stay on the topic of the article – there are tons of other places to talk about how you don’t like the the One. If you are trolling please just don’t talk (type) at all.

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      • Ryan

        ok and by the same token if your retarded and are just talking about things you have no idea about, or are just trying ti get some more players to play with for next gen because its lokking like youll be playing alone, please dont talk, ahaha i mean type, im so witty

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      • TonyLN

        I rest my case, 14 year old – out of school for the summer – mommy took his PS2 away and all he can do now is troll on the net… That or you work in a call center and have nothing better to do.

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      • Ryan

        you forgot a third opion your just a tool.

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      • Andrés

        It’s just to make patent the disappointment with the new MSs policies, hoping they change their mind.

        It’s not trolling it’s just a deceived user who want the old school Xbox back..

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  • BlinkFandango

    Yeah, I can see this being abused. Although, it would be nice to finally get rid of people like those on WoW that fly around or can’t get killed. I mean, if they want to do that they can play with each other, but let players who want to actually be able to play the game do so.

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  • Olimite

    Interesting if it’s an accurate depiction of that will happen. Are there more options going to be available for leaving feedback? What happens if you get ‘sore loser’ bad feedback (which I’m sure we’ve all received over the lifetime of the 360)?

    Also, with any customer-oriented feedback system, it’s a lot harder to get positive feedback than it is negative. How are Microsoft planning to circumvent this situation?

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    • Ryan

      microsoft is getting a sore loser rep as we speak

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  • Ryan

    hey nick, im not buying an xbox one how does that make you feel.

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  • Ryan

    if we could leave a feedback for microsoft they would be an avoided player

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  • Willy Chris Hui

    Dear Microsoft,
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    I have been a proud Xbox owner since 2001, the Xbox has guided me through life and never failed to entertain me. From Halo CE to Halo 4, from Fable to Fable 3, from Gears to Gears 3, I really enjoyed being part of the Xbox family. This E3 you showed us what potential the Xbox One has, I don’t know what people are thinking when they say Sony’s conference was better but I guess that’s just a matter of opinion.
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    However, these policies are tearing this family into pieces. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not against these policies for they do not affect me in a negative way, the contrary actually, but the fact that you are alienating a group of passionate offline gamers is questionable at best, and very wrong at worst. These policies will affect those who do not have an internet access at all, and those whose internet connection is not fast enough to enjoy those many benefits.
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    Fellow gamers, the Xbox One does give us the possibility to lend games digitally, and apparantely only for 10 “family members” but I do not think Microsoft will be able enforce this, it will probably be like the Xbox Live Gold Membership. Those who do not have a stable and fast internet connection can still borrow the actual disc to install the game.
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    So this is not the problem. But forcing everybody to connect to the internet 24h is too much to ask for, Microsoft. People, if one can use smartphones to enable internet access for the One, then only a few will have problems when something is wrong with the internet. Still, what of those who live in rural areas? If they don’t have a normal access to the internet I doubt they have smartphones with cellular internet access.
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    The reason why Microsoft is doing this is because of the ability to play games without the actual disc. This is why you can’t lend games, rent games, resell games at whatever retailer you want. This is why Microsoft needs a connection every 24h, to make sure you can’t play a sold game longer than 24h. Why are you doing this, Microsoft?
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    I truly believe, unlike many many others, you mean well, but this is unacceptable, a deal-breaker for so many, even if it wouldn’t affect them. I believe in your vision, but there are other ways to make it come true. Removing mandatory installation would fix it all, only give us the choice to install the game. Many, many gamers would appreciate it, many would actually consider getting the Xbox One. This is nothing big I am asking for, it is actually something many gamers expect from a gaming console.
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    No matter the outcome, I will still buy the One. But it saddens me to see so many disappointed gamers leaving the family. Please, share your concerns on the policies in a polite way. Share it with anybody who could help, Microsoftsmen in Twitter, Facebook and so on. People from other consoles, please help us, too. We need the support! Together as gamers we could make it happen, maybe Microsoft will change the policies in our favor after this.
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    0409

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    • ElektroDragon

      ” Those who do not have a stable and fast internet connection can still borrow the actual disc to install the game. ” You are so completely wrong, its ridiculous!!! If you buy this thing you are helping to bring about the destruction of the console industry as we know it.

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      • Willy Chris Hui

        Family-sharing has been confirmed to work with any Xbox Live member. So if somebody has a too slow internet connection to download a huge (and shared) game, then he just has to borrow the disc and install it that way.

        You are both wrong and ridiculous.

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      • ElektroDragon

        So you are telling me my wife can play my Ryse disc game without restrictions and without me signing in with her, on a second X1 in the house? Really? Where is the source/link for this? I don’t believe it.

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      • ReadTheArticlePlz

        Yea people keep claiming that but I can bet its still only one person of that 10 can use a particular game at a time. You wont be able to buy 1 copy of halo and then have 9 people on the list playing it at once.

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        That would be crazy. Why go to the trouble of using DRM if you’re going to let 10 people use one game.

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      • ReadTheArticlePlz

        Exactly, even MS would never think 1 sale and 10 users at any one time is better than 1 sale and possible reselling still resulting at one user at a time.

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      • Willy Chris Hui

        Hell, I never said that. This is a digital way of borrowing games, how many one can access at the same time is unclear.

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      • ElektroDragon

        That’s not even what I meant. If you have two consoles, I don’t think a family member will be able to play your game on their own console while you play a different game on the other console.

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      • Willy Chris Hui

        Yes, your wife’s account only needs your permission. It even works without the disc, it’s there for quicker installation.

        http :// www . neogaf . com/forum/showthread.php?t=585726

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      • ElektroDragon

        I still don’t believe it, because that would mean that you can declare 10 random friends as your family and they’d all be able to play one copy of the game. Even if not at the same time, there’s no way MS would allow that. They locked it down this bad yet your think they will be that generous? BS

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      • Willy Chris Hui

        You don’t declare anyone of being a family member, you just grant them access to your games library. And to answer your question, yes, they want to make the digital way of gaming better. As I said, the only problem is the 24h check, by doing so alienating those who do not have an internet access.

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  • Trent

    Matchmaking sounds really good. The instant switching is going to be awesome and a big plus. I know there is a lot of hate for this console but they put ton of thought into this machine and a lot of work and that is what matters to me!

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    • Ryan

      they put a lot, or a little as it seems, into making money – nothing more.

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      • Trent

        Well they have to make money you know. Just like I have to work to buy the things I like. So far the system looks pretty robust.

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      • TonyLN

        He is only 14 so doesn’t really understand about money yet.

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      • Ryan

        making angry the people that spend that money on your company seems like a backwards way of thinking, but i guess they dont know anything about backwardsness(esp how to make a machine that doesnt send 1/4 of your consumer base away….I hope your mommies and daddies dont expect you to play with the new toy they just baught you long, because nobody else will.

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      • Trent

        You have got to move on seriously. It is a digital console. The only reason why it has a disc drive is so that you can install games quickly. That is forward thinking. Im 29 years old and if my parents bought this console for me that would be awesome. Now that you mentioned that they did buy me the original xbox for Christmas when I was younger. lol

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    • TonyLN

      Never thought about it before – but you couldn’t do the instant switching without the no-disk-needed feature either. One more super cool thing that my One will be able to do and my PS4 wont.

      Looking forward to both platforms, but I have a feeling that Xbox will be my primary once again this generation.

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      • Andy Wilding

        Of course you could still do instant switch even with the need to have a disc in the tray, even on the 360 if the game is installed, the disc just does its check then the disc stops and the game is loaded into memory, how would that stop you switching on a more powerful system with the same thing?

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      • TonyLN

        Because to switch between 2 games I would need to get up and switch discs. With them being installed and not needing the disc the system can instantly switch between 2 games.

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      • Dylan

        You don’t need a disc now. The system is full digital on the PS3. Xbox 360 sometimes has new games day 1.

        Why remove the option? This is something we have right now.

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      • Andy Wilding

        instant switch is switching between two apps or an app and a game, not two games.

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      • ReadTheArticlePlz

        You know what else is instant switch? Me taking my tv remote and changing the input from the xbox to the tv. And you know what it didn’t take extra components I don’t want to be forced to use like with the kinect.

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      • TonyLN

        But I can’t instantly switch between two games on the same console using a TV remote can I?

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      • ReadTheArticlePlz

        .

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    • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

      Of course matchmaking will be good, there’s only going to be 12 people on the entire network.

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      • Trent

        lol. hey as long as its not 12 year olds!

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  • Mark Jones

    what good is this smatch match and rep stuff if no one buys the console because of how badly MS is handling this gen….

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    • Ryan

      everyone will have great reps, funny seeing as microsoft themselves dont even have good reps.

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  • Ryan

    Id feel bad to be a microsoft employee and not being sure if youll even have a job next year, then they have to come on here and act like the xboxone is the best thing since sliced bread…..kitkat bar me

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  • Kieran

    This the death nail on X Box 1. This really needs immediate clarification from Microsoft.

    Xbox One – Must be Online Once Every 24 Hours or your games will stop working.

    Is this forever?

    If this is true, bye Microsoft.

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    • Flawless

      whats there to clarify this has been known for weeks now.

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      • Kieran

        I thought you only had to sign in online to play games. This way if you don’t sign in by 24 hours your games no longer work.

        Does Microsoft expect me to carry the console around with me forever? Have they heard of holidays? Where people go away to relax and do not game?

        People don’t game 24 hours a day and be at home all the time. If this true X box 1 will not sell.

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      • Flawless

        this has all been discussed to death on here and around the internet its one of the many reasons so many people are up in arms over the xbox one.

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        I think you misunderstand. If you don’t sign for 24hrs you don’t lose all of your games forever, you can play them again when you sign back in.

        If you get a PS4 however you don’t have to put up with any of that nonsensical bullsh*t.

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      • Flawless

        oh i see what hes saying now lol.

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      • Trent

        The console is in a low power state. For example my 360 is always connected to the internet but it does not automatically download updates or anything until you power it up. X1 is always connected and automatically downloads game updates or software updates. So no more waiting to play a game!

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      • Kieran

        Thats all well and good, but you have to sign every 24 hours. Sorry there is no way in hell people will be at home everyday for rest of their lives, unless they’re some kind of loner. So the console is just useless for me and probably millions of others.

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      • Trent

        you are already signed in.

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        Seriously dude you’re misunderstanding it. You’ll get your games back whenever you sign back in regardless of how long it has been since you last signed in.

        Get a PS4 it’s much less hassle.

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      • Kieran

        Hope your right, Friend. What you said made more sense. I read something from someone else and thought no way they’ll do that surely.

        Been Microsoft nothing will surprise though, but I guess i overreacted.

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      • ReadTheArticlePlz

        That’s fantastic, so now if I have a capped internet connection my system will still be downloading updates in the background for all my games, even ones I haven’t played in months!! Using up my bandwith! At least with the current model, I only have to update the games when I want to play them.

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        How long does a game update take on the 360? About 10 seconds? All of that lost time updating games. Wow.

        The PS3 has terrible game update times but the Xbox not so much.

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      • ReadTheArticlePlz

        Yep, I don’t mind a few seconds to a min updating a game before I play. It’s not like the disk issue, that 8 seconds it takes to change a disk that has really been killing my gaming experience. I’ll happily give up the ability to rent,borrow, lend, buy used for that!!!

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      • Kade

        If you lose internet in your house for over a day, just connect using your mobile phone for this.
        Pro tip right there

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      • ReadTheArticlePlz

        Yes because every phone and every single carrier allow this.

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      • ElektroDragon

        It won’t sell anyway, but you’re not using common sense. Of course if you take a vacation your games will still work as soon as you sign in online again.

        Of course, if you’re still considering buying an X1 over PS4, common sense is not something you have a lot of.

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  • thescholar05

    what wierdo hired Don Mattrick this dude is killing me with his decision process for the Xbox one

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    • Ryan

      and his 70 style hair combined with a brittish guy with badteeths face

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      • thescholar05

        I mean people want to play the latest games and he just told them to stick with the 360 if they do not have internet really? like Titan fall is going to the 360 i mean wtf

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      • deadbox102

        Actually, Titanfall is going to the 360.

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      • Ryan

        i honestly think they are trying to make it as unappealing as possible so everyone buy a sony and then they can work out all the bugs, they can have the RROD issues, while microsoft sits back and continues to milk the 360. sucks the the ‘exclusives’ dont have a 360 port, I didnt see anything extrordinary that would render the 360 incapible of handling the processing power. I mean come on Dead Rising 3 looks great, a day one buy for me on the 360, but i will never own a non backward capible xbox one nor will I move to a console that offers me minecraft one edition, inside of updating my 360 version. end of story.

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        Hey c’mon we Brits don’t have bad teeth.

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      • Ryan

        i knew i was going to offend a britt with that one, sorry you people acidently got caught in the crossfire of my rage. My apologies, but the old guy is still one wierd looking hemale.

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        Hey c’mon there’s nothing wrong with us old guys.

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      • Ryan

        i just cant win with you xbox fanboys

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  • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

    Microsoft, they’re are people on this blog who don’t fully understand your DRM policies so how on earth do you expect Mr and Mrs Average to understand it? You’re going to have a lot of unhappy parents returning boxes when they get it home and it doesn’t play nice for little junior.

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    • Albert Davila

      Actually, Jaffa, as crass as it may seem, perhaps that is the intent and part of why they aren’t really concerned about how the mainstream will approach this. It will be funny when folks take the things home or get them for Christmas at gradma’s house who has no internet, and you turn the thing on and can’t play any games. The youtube videos script themselves.

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        Yes i suppose they are hoping that a lot of people without knowledge of how the system works will simply buy into it without realizing. If it wasn’t for Sony’s stance then this would be a very bad time for gaming. Don’t get me wrong it’s still a bad time because i really wanted to stick with Xbox but Xbox didn’t want to stick with me.

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      • Albert Davila

        I am in the same boat. You can look at my gamertag and i have been on Live since beta. I wanted to buy an XBO, as the majority of my friends list is on Live, but given that I have a PS3 as well, I’ll move on to the PS4. I may come to the XBO in time, but it wont find it’s way into my house on day one or even close.

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      • Bush O Connor

        i was on the dashboard on live this morning jaffa looking at the ads for the ONE, not once did it say anything about the internet connection required every 24 hours. it even has a pre-order button. the only policies it had were for the films shown in the ads.
        people will buy this thing without knowing the full story.

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    • Macy Slator

      agreed. so many people here have almost no idea what they’re in for. Everyone who is defending the xbox one right now, will be first ones to bombard MS customer service with angry phone calls, emails and tweets when they realize they can’t play any of their games because their internet is down.

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  • Dein Vater

    didnt you get it nelson? nobody with a brain will buy your console?:)

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    • E.Nich

      No, but there are plenty of people that don’t mind to lose their rights as gamers in front of MS. It’s sad.

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      • xboxoneforlife

        Same thing was said when Microsoft made everyone have broadband back when the 360 came out. You bought a xbox, You will be coming back when you see just how much better it is to be online.

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        You can’t compare the two things it’s completely different. I didn’t care about the Xbox just having an ethernet connection. I do care about losing control of the things that i buy.

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      • Albert Davila

        That is the crux of the matter. There is nothing about the policies laid out by MS that make me believe i own any of what i will have bought. Here’s an example using movies. Most movies come with digital copies anymore. So you have a physical disc and a version either on iTunes or UV. If I have no internet in my house, I can still watch my bluray. I may have no internet for days but i can still watch my movie. MS has effectively stated that this is no longer true of my games. I get to a certain extent that this would be the case with totally digital purchases, but even in that instance, you can still use your digital goods so long as they are downloaded to a device. I believe Steam has an offline mode, and currently i can play my XBLA games without having to be connected to live as long as i am on the system that is licensed for it.

        Telling me i need to have a broadband connection in order to play Live is a completely different thing, and it started with the OG Xbox, not the 360. You could still buy the thing and use it for its primary purpose….games. Since games don’t work without the check in, does that mean that they are no longer the primary purpose of the Xbox? That seems to be the case to me.

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      • FoxHound R - Xbox One Day One

        Only crazy hippies would care about that.

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      • Andy Wilding

        You cant use that comparison, yes they made you have broadband if you wanted live but they didn’t stop you from using it if you didn’t

        We know how good being online is but everyone knows the internet or live goes down occasionally, it wasn’t long ago that live did go down for a while, its the restrictions everyone is annoyed about.

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      • Dennis Crosby

        Some one explain to me what rights are you losing with this console

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        You don’t own the games you buy, you are essentially renting a license to play them. Also whether you can play them or not depends on if you can regularly connect to the internet.

        Buy a PS4, they don’t have any sugar coated sh*t for sale.

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      • Albert Davila

        See my blu ray example below. Those are the rights you are losing. Namely the right of first purchase for physical media.

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      • Macy Slator

        If you don’t understand the rights you’re losing as a consumer by buying the xbox one from all the comments on here and all over the internet, then I say enjoy your xbox one. You sir are the exact audience microsoft is catering to. But remember, that when you’re playing your xbox one and suddenly your internet decides to stop working or Live gets an outage for a couple days, you’ll realize pretty damn quick the rights we’re talking about here.

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  • Nate Welles

    The one game I wanted for the Xbone (DR3) and it’s catering to the cod players? What the flip!

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    • FoxHound R - Xbox One Day One

      😦 I was going to say that zombies should stop objectifying you like a Stereotypical brain… but then I realised that DR3 is catered towards call of duty gamers.

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      • Dylan

        Told you, they sucked the fun out of it.
        Imagine how cool it would be, with all that technological improvement, and its usual wackyness.

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      • Nate Welles

        They should stop catering towards the stereotypical cod gamer

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  • Dennis Crosby

    Its sad that so many people do understand microsofts ambition. You guy see these policies as rules but honestly there trying to make you gaming experience better.while Sony is trying to so call give the gamers what they want but flip floping on there policies.there putting out a system that is pretty much a ps3 with better graphics they haven’t stated how there gonna change gaming going into the next Gen.all the said is we have games oops I mean trailers and we support used games and playing offline.but it’s up to the three party publisher to determine that

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    • ReadTheArticlePlz

      Wait so restrictions we don’t want and hardware we don’t want that even MS don’t seem to show much faith in since they used it for nothing more than a few voice commands is going to make our experience better. What constitutes a “good gaming experience” is different for every player and the problem here is MS thinks that if they force their opinion of a “better experience” on us we will embrace it. That’s not how it works. Give us options and let us decide what makes it better.

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      • Dennis Crosby

        the restriction you don’t want are actually good.yes there DRM on disc base games only if the publisher allow it. yes you have to connect to the internet every 24 hours which will update everything that need to updated,add every free add on that needs to be add.wow that a terrible thing to have .hmm always online games? if im not mistaking both system will have that. the kinect while a lot of people don’t want them just turn it off. from where i stand it nothing wrong with these restriction is just people don’t want to move forward in gaming.everyone is worried about trading and borrowing game well MS is making so people who are close to you can borrow your whole library stream less damn MS why are you changing the world

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        If moving forward means losing ownership of things that i pay for then i don’t want it.

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      • ReadTheArticlePlz

        Lets see all the restrictions I don’t want are good? Please inform me how the following are good. I’ll even number the list to make it easier for you to reply.

        1. Having to be online to install the game.

        2. Daily check in

        3. Inability to play even single player non-online games if I have not been online in the last 24 hrs.

        4. Inability to rent games and determine if the game is good before buying. Also don’t say just d/l the demo. Many of those are severely restricted or are only of areas that the devs know is the best in the game. I want to experience the “real” game before buying it.

        5. Forced to have the kinect plugged in at all times. If I can TOTALLY turn it off why can I not just unplug it and still have the system work? Seriously, if it is totally shut down why does it need to be plugged in?

        6. Forced to leave connected so it can d/l updates in the background. 360 updates take less than a minute. I don’t mind waiting before playing especially since it means that my system isn’t downloading updates for games I don’t play anymore and potentially eating up my capped bandwidth.

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      • kevgallacher

        4. Microsoft have specifically said the plan to allow renting/loaning of games just not at launch.

        6. no one has said the XBOne has to be connected all the time, just once every 24 hours.

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      • Albert Davila

        I’d like to know where it has been stated that everything gets updated on your system during that check in? Please post a link where an MS employee has stated that is the case. Regardless though, i could just as easily choose to connect when I WANT to connect not on a timeline that MS chooses, as is currently the case. I dont think that anyone is complaining about sharing with your family. If it works the way that Ultraviolet works, then i think thats great. But that is not a restriction. IT IS THE RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE A PROBLEM. That is what you do not seem to grasp.

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      • Macy Slator

        Wow man. I’m not sure you read or heard things correctly. The 24 hour authentication is not to update your game. it’s to make sure you still have ownership of your copy. If your internet is down at the 24 hour check-in, then it’s a waiting game until your internet comes on to authenticate and play your game. That’s NOT a ps4 requirement.

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      • Michael Burden

        Had Microsoft showed more of the Kinect at E3, they would have had to deal with the whole “all they showed was kiddie Kinect” and “they didn’t show any ‘core games” whining from the haters. So now you’re complaining they didn’t show more Kinect? Seems like Microsoft can’t win no matter what they do with most of you people.

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      • kevgallacher

        This seems to be the current opinion of anything Microsoft now. Windows Phone, Windows 8, Surface and now XBOne.

        It seems now that it is cool to just slag everything they do now.
        Most of the complaints seem to be stupid things too. Like a start button which is easy to replace. Or online only which isn’t really a problem for most people.

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    • Albert Davila

      Sorry, but i will take Sony leaving things to the publishers over building the box in a way that hurts consumers. You mention trying to understand Microsoft’s ambitions, and that is all well and good. However, tell me what of those ambitions could not be accomplished without the restrictive nature of the system? Are you really telling me they could not achieve their goals without the draconian DRM structure? They allow offline gaming for a 24 hour period, so why not indefinitely? Yeah you won’t have the benefit of the cloud, but so what you’d still get the feeling that you own what you bought. I challenge folks to look into the right of first purchase and explain how this doesn’t fly in direct contradiction to it.

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      • Dennis Crosby

        well your tell me that having everyone connect online to update everything that you have is a bad thing.?

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      • Albert Davila

        When there is no choice, then the answer is yes. Seriously man please just step back for a moment and ask yourself if it’s a good thing that MS just made it so that if you do not happen to have internet the day you open the box, you cant play any games. You are really okay with that? Disregard your own situation at this point. I have stable internet, there is nothing in the world that is keeping me from wanting an XBOne other than MS themselves.

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    • ReadTheArticlePlz

      Also, if you are going to try and claim that MS didn’t show trailers/cut scenes you are delusional. Both sides showed a lot of trailers/cut scenes during their presentations.

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      • Dennis Crosby

        im not trying to claim that im just saying sony didnt show any gameplay for any of there first party games at all. MS showed also all there frist party games accept 3

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      • ReadTheArticlePlz

        “in engine” and gameplay are not the same thing.

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      • Ryan

        gameplay looks no better off than this gen, the only thing that is different is the supposid amount of playspace i guess or no loadtimes, big deal……and playspace can be too big, san andreas anyone? it was a good game, but IMO it took to long to go from area to area.

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      • Nick Peck

        MS had exclusives while sony had indie games and, well like 2 exclusives while the rest was multiplatform.

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  • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

    I’m having a new carpet fitted tomorrow. Apparently a guy is going to come round to my house every day after that and check my receipt to make sure it’s my carpet. Not looking forward to going on holiday, i might come home and my carpet has gone.

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    • Dylan

      Yahtzee the funny british dude that started the joke “PC master race” and does great game reviews, had a really good and funny comparison.

      http://www escapistmagazine com/videos/view/jim-yahtzees-rhymedown-spectacular/7376-Xbox-One-Flew-Over-the-Cuckoos-Nest

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    • EighteenCharacters

      Enough with the false equivalencies. Carpets, cars, homes — none of these things are intellectual properties. Game software doesn’t drop out of the sky. The people that work on them deserve to be compensated, and deserve to decide exactly how they will be compensated. It’s true with music and movies, and it’s certainly true with games.

      Move to the PS4 if you want, but I’m looking forward to seeing what well-compensated game developers have in store for the Xbox One. When their cries of lost profits due to pirating and GameStop’s anti-developer trade-in policies fall on deaf ears at Sony, where do you think they’ll turn their attention? Sony’s decision to shame Microsoft via policy is a short-sighted victory.

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        My carpet does have intellectual property in it. It’s soft and wares well.

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      • Ryan

        sometimes mine reads me a bedtime story.

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      • ReadTheArticlePlz

        We are aware games don’t just drop from the sky. And the devs/publishers were properly compensated for it…. when the original purchaser paid for it. I have no problems with the publishers being able to charge for online play for secondary users but tell me why does the publisher deserve to be paid a second time for me to play a used single player game that never uses additional resources at the publisher?

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      • rem234

        Considering that video games have only revenue stream. That of new game sales. DLC may be counted but it also costs to make DLC.

        Most other media has many revenue streams.

        Movies have theatrical releases (where they get most of their money)
        Pay per view/ rental
        DVD sales
        TV syndication
        royalties (though this is not as much as the music industry)

        The unfortunate fact is as it is right now, used games do not contribute at all to the developers who make the games, which sometimes cost as much as movies. These guys need to make back their money and profit so that publishers will invest more in them.

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      • ReadTheArticlePlz

        Sorry, you want to compare it to other industries so I will too.

        Cars are expensive… the designers and builders deserve to be compensated…the original buyer does that… secondary users put no additional burden the manufacturer so why should they get a cut of any resale

        Books are expensive to make… the author, editors, layout, cover designers, etc.. put a lot of work into them and deserve to be compensated… the original buyer does that… secondary users put no additional burden on the publishers so why should they get a cut of any resale?

        Tools are expensive to design and manufacture… the original buyer compensates them when they buy them.. the secondary user puts no additional burden on the manufacturer so why should they get a cut of the resale?

        If games cannot make back what they cost using their “only revenue stream” then the developers and publishers need to reevaluate their procedures. Did they spend too much on development? Did they spend too much on advertising? Did the charge too little for the game? There is absolutely NO reason for the developer/publisher to deserve a cut of secondary sales. If the developer/publisher need to keep servers running for online play then by all means charge the second owner to play online but don’t act like you deserve additional money from me on a used game if my use of it puts absolutely no additional burden on you as the developer/publisher.

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      • Ryan

        yeah how about this anology, games are getting more expesive to make, and first hand sales dont make up the loss, so what does the industry do? Make a brand new console that takes more resouces and costs more money to make….makes total sense. hahahahaha I NEED ANOTHER KITKAT BAR!!!!!

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      • Dylan

        Probably the first good point I’ve seen on the matter.

        Why are we blamed and punished for bad management?

        2k Head said that used games blocking isn’t the solution, creating good games, with good support is.
        Not a coincidence that 2K’s games are generally great and have great support with DLC and expansions.

        The issue is overblown. Just like piracy was back in the day.

        Used games didn’t kill THQ. U Draw did. And its notable mis-management issues. 2K head called it 6 months ahead of time.

        Used games weren’t the reason Tomb Raider was a “failure”. It sold 3 million in the first week! Great sales! The budget was just inflated to cater to an impossible demand.

        Used games wasn’t the reason Dead Space 3 was a disappointment sales-wise, their expectation of getting the COD money, and budgeting accordingly is.

        Look at XCom Enemy Unknown (a 2k game), a huge success in selling 1.5 million. Why? Because it was budgeted properly, and was a good game.

        Look at Dark Souls and Demon Souls. A niche market, but was budgeted properly, and was a big success, even though they sold much less than Tomb Raider.

        Ending the used games market is a bandaid on a gunshot wound. I loved THQ, but they deserved to go.
        We’re not to blame.

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        I’ve bought games used which i would never have bought brand new. I have enjoyed them and gone on to purchase DLC for those games. They still make money out of used game sales.

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      • Nick Peck

        “Sony has confirmed that the digital rights management of PlayStation 4 software will be up to third-party publishers. Speaking on GTTV, Sony’s Jack Tretton stated, “The DRM decision for third-party games will be up to publishers.”

        So yes, sony is doing the exact same thing as MS.

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      • Ken

        and apparently you didn’t hear him say it’s the exact same policy as the ps3. Online passes and stuff like that. Which is more freedom than DRM.

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      • Dylan

        That alludes to Online Passes and the like.
        DRM is not system-wide.
        Publishers can add DRM if they like.
        That’s their choice, and our choice to skip their game.
        XBOX ONE REMOVES CHOICE FROM BOTH SIDES.

        “As announced last night, PS4 will not have any gating restrictions for used disc-based games. When a gamer buys a PS4 disc they have right to use that copy of the game, so they can trade-in the game at retail, sell it to another person, lend it to a friend, or keep it forever.”

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      • Ryan

        me too some wernt even worth the money I ‘ripped off’ of the poor developers of etheopia.

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      • Shane Medina

        Good thing it also doesn’t have much to do with DRM and they’re just flatout making sure you actually HAVE a connection, huh? Yeah, these people need to realize it’s three COMPLETELY different experiences now to choose from. Stop being a bunch of idiots and enjoy it.

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      • Dylan

        Actually it is about DRM. Tell me why it isn’t.

        It isn’t the Cloud. PS4 has that too, and it isn’t required.
        And if it was on the Xbox One, then you wouldn’t be able to go offline 23 hours and 59 minutes.

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      • MrRadiolips

        Kind of funny when a moron calls people idiots.

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