Xbox One Achievements

Today we talked about some of the changes to the new achievements system coming with Xbox One.  We just got done hearing from Chad Gibson, Principle Group Program manager for Xbox Live Gaming features and Mike Lavin,  Sr. Global Product Marketing manager for Xbox Live on our live broadcast.   This morning, we asked Cierra McDonald to explain some of the achievement changes in greater detail for us.  Here is what she wrote for you guys

Ahoy! My name is Cierra McDonald. I’m from Chicago, I’m an Illini (I-L-L!!!), and most pertinently, I’m the Program Manager for the Xbox Live Achievements service. My love of gaming started as a wee child, playing Super Mario Bros. at home and joining friends on Altered Beast and Contra at the local arcade. My family’s team sport is Boggle. And apropos of nothing, I once shattered my elbow – or as my surgeon once put it, it’s like Humpty Dumpty fell onto a diamond surface. Fun facts!

Achievements are like a delicious gravy (or a fudge sauce, for the more dessert-minded) on top of a developer’s tasty meal of a game. Playing the game is fun by itself; and achievements add an extra layer of discovery, exploration, and accomplishment that reinforces the natural enjoyment of the gameplay. For Xbox One, my team (an incredible group of smart, hardworking folks) and I have rebuilt the Achievements system to be more powerful and more flexible so that developers and publishers can deliver more interesting, complex, and fulfilling goals and rewards to you. What exactly does that mean?

Let’s start with what you get.

Xbox blazed the trail back in 2005 by introducing Xbox Live Achievements as a metagame whose cumulative score – Gamerscore – spans across games on every Xbox Live platform. Many of today’s gaming systems followed our model and now offer achievements or badges as well. With Xbox One, we are once again breaking the mold and this time, we want consumers to reap more tangible benefits. In addition to Gamerscore, which will remain as a critical part of the Xbox gaming experience (and yes, your Gamerscore from Xbox 360 will carry forward to Xbox One – there’s only ONE Gamerscore (see what I did there?)), consumers can now unlock digital artwork, new maps, unlockable characters, and temporary stat boosts via achievements. And this is not limited to games! Other Xbox One applications such as video and music apps can now use Achievements to bring you awesome sneak peek content, early access, or subscription extensions. Only games will give you Gamerscore.

Cool, you can earn cool stuff with Xbox LIVE Achievements. Let’s talk about how they work.

There are now two types of Achievements: achievements and challenges. An achievement is probably already familiar. There’s a goal or activity you must accomplish and a reward that you receive upon completion. You can unlock an achievement at any time, be it on a game’s launch day or 3 years later. I guess you can say an achievement is like a promise in that sense. A challenge, on the other hand, is more like an opportunity – better grab it while you can! It is also comprised of a goal and a reward; however, challenges are time-bound (as in, real life time). That means you can only unlock during its eligible time window, and if you get close but don’t complete the goal when it ends… *Kanye shrug*

Achievements and challenges are both officially considered Xbox Live Achievements, so they inherit many of the same benefits:

  • You can unlock them and win their rewards;
  • Once unlocked, they are saved to your achievement history;
  • They each have an icon to visualize the cool thing you did;
  • They often are associated with a Game DVR capture to show your friends that you are better than they are
  • Developers can release more of them after the game’s initial release (more on that in a bit).

There are also some notable differences between them:

Challenges are time based. As just noted, challenges are only available for a certain period of time. Only your activity during that timeframe will count toward unlocking the challenge. Achievements do not expire, so you can unlock them at your leisure.

Challenges do not give out Gamerscore. We want everyone to have the same shot at increasing their Gamerscore to its highest potential. Since challenges are intentionally temporary (an opportunity) and achievements never expire (a promise), only achievements may offer Gamerscore as a reward.

Challenges may cross titles, but achievements cannot. Achievements cannot be shared across titles whereas challenges are allowed to span multiple titles.

Challenges can be unlocked by the community. Community challenges are typically goals that exceed what a lone player can accomplish in the given period of time. Imagine, for example, a game releases a headshot weekend challenge that requires players to cumulatively headshot 1 million baddies in a 3 day period. And every person who participates and meets the challenge’s goals gets the unlock on his or her achievement history and reaps its reward.

Another really cool thing with the new Achievements system is that it’s cloud-powered. A magical term, I know, but it delivers real value to users. Check it out:

Having cloud-powered achievements makes it easy and consistent to run challenges across all players of a game simultaneously.

It makes it possible for developers to add new achievements and challenges after their game is initially released. Why is that good for you?

1) It means you can get new achievements without always being required to buy new content (read: free!) or download title updates.

2) It allows developers to learn from and respond to user activity and focus on adding stuff that you’ll find fun. For example, let’s say a certain game is known on community forums to have a fun little sub-game of kicking chickens. Wouldn’t it be amazing if the game developers noticed the community enjoying an unintended aspect of the game and creating a challenge around it, with a reward to boot?

3) It empowers developers to involve the community (that means YOU) in the achievement creation process. If they so choose, a developer could run a contest for users to submit and vote on challenge ideas, for example, with the winning idea being released to the public as a legitimate Xbox Live Achievement. Not too shabby!

Let’s bring it all home and talk about what you actually see.

  • The Xbox One dashboard experience greatly improves how you discover and view Xbox Live Achievements.
  • Ever wondered how far along you were toward completing an achievement, particularly those that involve a lot of collection or linear progress? With Xbox One, games may now expose your latest progression toward unlocking an achievement right on the dashboard, even before you launch the game.
  • Quickly catch up on what your friends have been up with the achievement activity feed that keeps you informed about your friends’ latest unlocked achievements.
  • Check out video clips of that magical moment when an achievement was unlocked.
  • Easily discover upcoming challenges for a game at any time.
  • Your achievement history has been transformed into a more beautiful gallery of achievement icons that properly show off your hard-earned victories.

You guys all rock, thanks from all of us here on our dev team.  Can’t wait to see you on Live!

   

Comments

  • http://twitter.com/xbudz Xbudz

    Keyboard warriors will continue, like it or not.

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  • Daniel Lawson

    Wall of text jistus!!

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  • Mik3t

    NODRM

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    • Shane Nokes

      Even though that DRM means you can loan games to family and friends without having to worry about the game being lost, scratched, or stolen?

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      • beardyman3218

        1. how do you lose a game in your own home?
        2.You can only loan the game to a friend once.
        3.the disc can easily be cleaned and buffered within 2 minutes.
        4.If it’s stolen then thats just bad look but it’s up to you to protect your products after all you actually own that disc.

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      • http://raptr.com/unscleric/about UNSCleric

        Shane is referring to the 10-person share list thing, not the one-time trade thing.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Bingo

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      • Daniel Lawson

        man… sometimes people just want your stuff and there is little you can do to stop them from taking it

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      • http://raptr.com/unscleric/about UNSCleric

        That’s why we need the Second Amendment.😀

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      • Daniel Lawson

        sent my paper work in a couple of weeks ago… it’s so back logged 3-5 month wait here in IL

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      • beardyman3218

        My baseball bat begs to differ:-)

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      • beardyman3218

        also if they steal your console thats all your games gone.

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      • Daniel Lawson

        no your games are tied to your account… also MS can trace the console and since it doesn’t work offline after 24 hours they basicly stole a BR player

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      • beardyman3218

        If you set up another account on the console it will class it as family and they will be able to play them.

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      • Daniel Lawson

        I doubt it… thinking that you register a console much like your 360… it’s how they can find your 360 if it’s stolen (remember hearing about guy calling into tech support because he forgot to steal the power cord and got caught)

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      • beardyman3218

        not if you set up a proxy on the console

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      • Shane Nokes

        A proxy doesn’t change the ID that is hardcoded onto the console itself. It’s part of the firmware. A proxy just hides your location on the internet.

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      • Daniel Lawson

        you still sending your consoles mac address to Microsoft… you can clone a different one, but I’m guessing that this really isn’t worth thieving the system… most theives don’t have this ability

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    • Daniel Lawson

      all consoles have DRM… you mean Online base DRM…

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  • Daniel Lawson

    Thank you guys for your awesome discussions and great debates… it’s awesome to talk to fellow gamers rationally

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    • Daniel Lawson

      this isn’t reddit down voting doesn’t do anything

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      • Shane Nokes

        They won’t listen…trust me. I’ve tried😉

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      • Daniel Lawson

        I don’t really mind I figured I’d tell them so they could give their fingers a rest

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      • Shane Nokes

        They won’t. One guy has been following me for about 4 hours now I think. lol

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  • Frédéric Tahon

    I’m on xbox since the start of MS in video games. Me and some friends spend lot of time and money on 360. But for the next generation we’ll spend this money on PS4 if MS don’t change them policies.

    An angry xbox player,
    GT: TaG ifredt

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    • Shane Nokes

      What policies? You mean the 24-hour check and disc DRM that is there to allow you to loan the game to friends via the shared library without risk of damage to your game itself?

      I actually like it now that I’m looking at it that way.:)

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      • Mik3t

        Shane do you work for microsoft?

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      • Shane Nokes

        Shane, and I already answered that.:)

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      • http://raptr.com/unscleric/about UNSCleric

        From what I saw, he used to. In customer support.

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      • http://twitter.com/xbudz Xbudz

        Everlasting MS Kool Aid effects.

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      • Shane Nokes

        I’ve worked on a few things actually. Support was actually one of the shortest gigs. The longest one was actually on a LIVE team. That’s why I know a ton about how things work.

        However I still haven’t done anything for MS in about a year and a half.

        I like bouncing around to different fun tech projects…also I was never an FTE. I like freelancing too much.:)

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      • http://raptr.com/unscleric/about UNSCleric

        Yeah, I saw your LinkedIn. It was an impressive resume and it looked like a lot of fun stuff.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Yeah I haven’t updated that in a while. I’ve done some other cool stuff since then.:)

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      • http://twitter.com/xbudz Xbudz

        No, he’s an argumentative Microsoft apologist.

        It IS a Shame.

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      • Mik3t

        Actually he has worked for microsoft in the past

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    • Daniel Lawson

      this is the kind of gamer who has a legit complaint… PS only gamers need to just ignore this stuff and enjoy their console of choice

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    • Daniel Lawson

      for me I love it… no more disc (unless they have some cool special edition like The Witcher 2)

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    • http://twitter.com/xbudz Xbudz

      I feel ya man, I been on Xbox Live since day one and the new policies rub me the wrong way too.

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    • Mik3t

      100% same here i bought the original xbox and the xbox 360 at launch

      0 game rentals, 24 hours drm both massive issues for me

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  • DantePerrotta

    I once watched the LOTR Extended Edition DVDs in one go, I thought that was pretty deserving of an achievement😛

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    • Mik3t

      To be valid though kinect would need to make sure you didnt fall asleep though:-)

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      • http://twitter.com/xbudz Xbudz

        lol

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      • Daniel Lawson

        Achievment Earned: Stayed awake through whole Trent monolog 100g

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    • Daniel Lawson

      Achievment Earned: Fall asleep only once while watching whole LotR trilogy

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      • beardyman3218

        10g? maybe more?

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      • Daniel Lawson

        24g… Watching 3 seasons of MASH 100g … Watching every episode of MASH in a row 10000g

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      • beardyman3218

        hahah, achievement unlocked, watched every episode of 24, 24G…. see what i did there:-)

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      • Daniel Lawson

        2g an episode on 12/13 epsode season 1g for 24-26 eps seasons… why do we not work at MS? you can have a TV Score and a Movie score… Achievment Earned: Turned of Batman and Robin 10 mins in 100g

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      • beardyman3218

        100g for shouting You’re not sending ME to the COOLER! at kinect. why we do not work for ms il never know.

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      • Daniel Lawson

        I’ll be the Q/A tester on their ideas… NO That Turrible

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      • http://raptr.com/unscleric/about UNSCleric

        I’m on my fifth viewing of the entire 24 series. I never saw it until mid-2008, but it’s my favorite show ever.

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  • ryder4life22187

    Looks like a lot of ship jumping going around. First you could pre-order the XB1 then it was sold out of pre orders on amazon. Now you can preorder the XB1 again. Another american company digging itself it’s early grave.

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    • Shane Nokes

      No. There was a Day One edition that had a limited amount of stock. That is what sold out.

      The regular Xbox One was still available for pre-order.

      This was just a limited edition for the first people that ordered. Make sense?

      Also if you think they are digging their grave you obviously don’t know much about MS. Xbox isn’t their biggest moneymaker.

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      • Daniel Lawson

        It’s starting to move up that chain of profit ladder as can be seen from the shift in power in Microsoft

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      • Mik3t

        Agreed MS is a huge company with huge profits

        This could be why they have been so bold with their decisions basically our way or the highway where if it doesnt work they will simple close the xbox division

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      • Daniel Lawson

        if this shift in power is real we may find that Xbox will be on par with Windows and Office soon… on the corp. ladder

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      • ryder4life22187

        the day one edition is availible for pre order again. Have you checked amazon lately

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      • Shane Nokes

        Whoa you’re right. So what that likely means (I know a bit about how the retail end works) is that they were originally only allotted a specific amount of consoles to sell.

        When the demand went up Microsoft then gave the OK for them to accept more pre-orders for that edition. This happens sometimes in the industry. It just means they will have to increase production in order to match the demand.

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      • heyitsme

        However their large loss of revenue by the fan base that they have alienated can NOT be a good thing.

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      • Shane Nokes

        What loss of revenue? Nothing is yet actually being sold. It’s all pre-order right now…and at least here in the US most retailers don’t make you pay upfront. You pay once it has shipped…and the Xbox One (and PS4) are smashing some serious sales records.

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      • heyitsme

        If they are not being sold than how can they have serious sales? The revenue is the money that would be made when they sell the units, if not everyone buys thems like they expected and they over produce they won’t make as much money as they could have if they wouldn’t have required so much and lost fans that can not always be connected.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Sorry, I meant to say smashing pre-order records.

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      • heyitsme

        Also as of now I know of 6 others that pre-ordered and are not going to “buy” the system when it comes out unless they change their nanny policy, but as of right now me and those friends just wanted to secure a spot in line just in case! I am now repeating myself from the other forums, if you like you can read those posts as well some are pretty long though.

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      • Shane Nokes

        It’s not a nanny policy. It’s to allow you to share games with friends, while still ensuring you own the original game.

        It would be reckless of them to enable sharing with 10 people if at least one of them didn’t own it.😉

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      • heyitsme

        That doesn’t seem like mistrust to you, I don’t trade games in or sell them however I do play offline by myself and with many friends, that won’t be possible now, and I know many people that can’t get high speed internet, and a lot of them have expansive libraries of games because they can’t just go and play inernet games. Again repeating see other posts:)

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      • Shane Nokes

        It’s not about trust or mistrust.

        They are basically enabling a function that allows you to share the game with your friends, without them needing the disc. They will just be able to access your shared library.

        So there has to be a control in place to make sure that if you have sold/traded/given away that game that people who shouldn’t have free access to the game do not.

        Also you don’t need high speed internet for anything other than multiplayer. The security check isn’t some huge download. It’s just a quick check. I don’t know why people think you need super fancy fast internet just to do a basic check.

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      • heyitsme

        Because it is pointless to try and play on anything less, that is the dilema. I have friends that will not be able to use this system because they have required online everything and you would not get an internet subscription to just check in all the time. So if I bought a game (assuming that there will be games on the disc) I can not take it to my friends house put it in and play offline with him, even if in 2 player co-op because they can not use the system. I looked at the ports on the back and did not see a dial-up slot. MS’s answer to this was just as redundant, not the screw you from Mattrick, but using a mobile, some companies charge outrageous data rates and even if its a 10 second check you get charged for 2 minutes and also there are dead zones that do not receive cell service such as my house.

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      • heyitsme

        The manager of Gamestop here can not even get internet and is upset that he has to switch to PS4, I DO NOT WANT THAT, I want to stay with MS I am trying to help them but my messages are just not loud enough and are overrun by people that do not understand or are just trying to sell PS4’s apparently, and I am not saying you are, but I have seen 0 questions answered out of many thousands of posts and we keep getting this stuff up here that people don’t really care about, until they find out that they and their friends can play the system itself, and as of right now NO many previous fans can not and are being told sorry buy ANOTHER 360. I’m sorry but their consumers and fans really feel betrayed.

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      • heyitsme

        Yet again I ask please read my other posts, I have pretty much said it all in there if you care to see how I feel.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Then in that case The Xbox One is not what you want, and there’s nothing wrong with that.:)

        No one but you decides what works for you. However that doesn’t mean you (and I don’t mean you personally, I’m saying this for everyone) have to be angry about it.

        The Xbox One doesn’t fit what you want? Then buy another competing product that fits better.

        That’s the awesome part about choice. We can all choose to support what we want.:)

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      • Daniel Lawson

        no… it’s never good to lose customers

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    • Daniel Lawson

      day one sold out for both systems

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      • ryder4life22187

        if day one sold out then why is the day one edition availible for pre order again then. Check before you claim it is sold out.

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      • Daniel Lawson

        increased the Day One special ed. allotments? That’s interesting

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  • beardyman3218

    major nelson and don mattrick need to sit down stick their camera on and address these issues in a formal and proper manner, they could also do a q and a session with viewers, live on twitch. its the only way to get some proper answers. if feel like my biggest hobby is being ruined and i cannot express how upset i am right now.

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    • http://twitter.com/xbudz Xbudz

      Solid idea.

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      • heyitsme

        I did not mean to down vote your comment, I was trying to go down the page and it clicked, I agree.

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    • Mik3t

      Not going to happen they cancelled ALL q and a sessions with press there is no way they will do it for ‘fans’

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      • Shane Nokes

        They didn’t cancel all Q&A. They canceled one specific event.

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      • heyitsme

        They cancelled many, first round table and then most of the individual ones.

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      • Daniel Lawson

        to be fair some of them may have lost their jobs over this and they are trying to keep them from doing any more damage

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      • Shane Nokes

        Do you have a source for that? I knew the Roundtable as cancelled, but I’ve heard 0 about anything else being canceled.

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      • Mik3t

        No they didnt rhey canclled the round table q and a and also individual interviews with giant bomb, ign, joystiq etc

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      • Shane Nokes

        Weird I hadn’t heard about that. I had heard about the roundtable. Any source on that?

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      • heyitsme

        If they did sit down to talk to us they would end up telling us about kinnect or other “great” features and completely avoid answering questions we really want to know the answers to.

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    • Shane Nokes

      That I will agree with.

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      • beardyman3218

        :-)

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    • montysan

      I agree, although it’s worrying that they haven’t done so already. Mind you, maybe they’re scared Don will say another, “Don’t have internet, get a 360” type comment

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      • beardyman3218

        hahah as much as that comment from him was a bit uncalled for i still find don mattrick hilarious and i don’t know why.

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      • Daniel Lawson

        I dont’ know man… he just came out and laid it like it was… gotta at least like that over the confusing stuff from after the May reveal

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      • Mik3t

        But thats not reality though is it? Although he did make that comment before the ps4 no online requirements details so im assuming he expected sony to have a similar restriction,

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      • Shane Nokes

        I’ve met Don before. He’s actually pretty nice, quick to smile, and usually has a few jokes in his back pocket.

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      • beardyman3218

        i would love to meet him, i knew he would have some jokes i just knew it. he seems really excited about everything he does and looks like he would be a pleasure to talk to.

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      • Shane Nokes

        I know MS gets a lot of flack for being an ‘evil empire’ but to be honest the people I know are not even evil in the slightest.

        I know a lot of them have a lot of late nights working on things. The times I have worked on campus I was one of those people.

        I had nights where I was sleeping on a futon while working on things. It made me glad that they had all the free fridges full of juice, soda, and milk.

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      • montysan

        I don’t see them as evil, and spend a lot of my time defending various Microsoft products. I just can’t see the justification for the 24h limit, and am very unhappy with how they’re ignoring the staunchest fans at the moment.

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      • Shane Nokes

        I don’t know if I sent this explanation to you, but it has to do with the shared library.

        The check lets you share the games out, but allows MS to also make sure you haven’t sold/given your copy to someone else.

        It basically allows sharing/lending with friends/family in a way that works for both you and for them and the publishers.

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      • montysan

        Yeah, I replied. The game will come with an effective prepaid code I guess. This is what stops you passing it on. To give it to someone else, you should unregister it with Microsoft online, then they know the family can’t play that game. No 24h check need to play game on original console.

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      • Shane Nokes

        I’m actually not sure about the mechanism they are using to be honest for the game registration.

        I would agree that they should find a way to make games work if the original disc is in the tray. I’ve never said that shouldn’t be the case.

        I was more saying I think the 24-hour check makes sense in cases where the disc isn’t there.

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      • montysan

        Yeah, I originally thought they should just make the user put the disc in after 24h, but the more you think of it as a download, which is what they’ve been saying, the more you realise you shouldn’t need it. I’d be happy with disc in after 24hour, especially as it so rarely happens.

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      • http://raptr.com/unscleric/about UNSCleric

        If I ever met Don I would ask him why he disrespected Bungie so bad at E3 2009. That was really something else to cancel their ODST reveal at the last minute just to “prove” Xbox 360 could do an E3 without a Halo and could focus more on Kinect and be successful.

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      • Mik3t

        Yeh he should have said nothing instead of that comment

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    • beardyman3218

      I though of a name for this show, Major Concerns, see what i did there:-)

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      • http://raptr.com/unscleric/about UNSCleric

        Or, Major Matters

        Kinda kinda gets the Mattrick in there.

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      • beardyman3218

        Absolutly fantastic, major nelson if your listening please do this.

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      • beardyman3218

        Mattrick could also have a spin off show called, mystic mattrick . were he gives the latest news on video games. the slogan would be the definition of mystic “Inspiring a sense of mystery and wonder”.

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      • http://twitter.com/incphi incphi

        Yeah, I think I can almost make out . . .

        *tilts head and squints*

        . . . nah, it’s gone.

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    • https://twitter.com/qliqQLAQ qliqQLAQ

      You know, the problem is just: no one is listening to us. Even if thousands of voices say something against upcoming, nothing happens. They have their plans, and they try to be successfully with it.

      And the XBoxOne is one of this plans. Millions are just upset what Microsoft is doing right now. Talking about a next-gen console, praise it with words like next-gen gaming and so on, but doing at least a media-center which has the feature: let you play games.

      And as sad as it is for you guys in the United States, Microsoft will fail with this concepts in Europe. Just because of our consumer protection. Our rights (officialy confirmed by the EU court) what we can do with our bought products – retail and digital.

      And don’t let me talk about all this TV stuff – which isn’t supported at least in EU – even if they have some “exclusive contracts” with some EU companies.

      My point is.. I just can’t believe what is happening with OUR (as you said) beloved and biggest hobby.

      I love Microsoft for what they did in the past and maybe do in the future. But this here ist just…. Unacceptable!

      (sry for my bad english – I’m german :))

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    • dibils

      cry me a river

      i agree with everything you said😀 the” i feel like my biggest hobby is being ruined” was just too corny

      i should say, i dont actually care about the policies but they really need to explain everythin to the public in a proper and clear way.

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    • JuanCabrera

      Yup! I have some questions for them. Like I understand why you need DRM on discs since licenses will be transferable. But do you also need the same restrictions on digital downloads if they are nontransferable?

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    • jan olsen

      Its not ruined. We still have the PS4.

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  • Shane Nokes

    BTW, I normally don’t do this…and I’m doing it as a separate thing so everyone can see it.

    Anyone I’ve chatted with on here tonight that wants to add me to
    their friends list feel free. My Gamertag is Mountain Dew. Yes, just
    Mountain Dew.

    Just let me know who you are since I tend to filter out who I accept. Just say, hey Shane, we were chatting on that thread on this site or something like that.

    I’m not on a lot gaming, but I am on sometimes.:)

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    • Daniel Lawson

      we need more guys like you posting at STFUandPlay dot com…

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      • Shane Nokes

        I’ve never been there before. Hmm…:)

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      • Daniel Lawson

        to many PS fanboys, but Torance Davis is really one of the best guys in the journalism buisness… some of his other guys can be one sided, but he runs one of the coolest podcast called The Warzone on Fri starting around 8 or 9 EST were he allows his community to talk and interact in the podcast… it’s really good, if small, community

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      • Shane Nokes

        You’d be surprised by me. I’ve owned consoles from just about every generation. I’m a gamer first and foremost before branding even steps into it.

        I actually have a Sega Master System, Atari, Sega Genesis, NES, SNES, N64, Dreamcast, PS2, Gamecube, Wii, Mountain Dew Edition Xbox, Xbox 360, and had a PS3 until recently.

        People think I’m a fanboy sometimes, and they are right. I love games😀

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    • montysan

      Brave man! I might add if I decide it’s not a trap😉.

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      • Shane Nokes

        It’s not a trap. You can try to add me right now and I will accept. You’ll see my name listed on my profile.:)

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  • robmc

    I’m troubled by all that I have been reading online. CNN, USA Today, Consumerist, Engadget, Polygon, The Verge, Kotaku, Gizmodo, Joystiq, Ars Technica, HARDOCP, Wall Street Journal et cetera et cetera. I for the life of me can not fathom the amount of ARROGANCE it took for a Microsoft representative to tell a reporter that if you had no online “fortunately we have a product for people who aren’t able to get some form of connectivity, it’s called Xbox 360… if you have zero access to the internet, that is an offline device”. REALLY ? From Don Mattrick ? I cancelled my ZUNE account today and am cancelling my Live account tomorrow….. along with the 5 other accounts that I have for my Grand Children. I will order shiny new PS4’s for all of them as soon as they become available for pre order again. I waited too long in ordering so as to let the smoke clear, and compare systems. But after seeing that arrogant #ss use a servicemen as an example to justify some form of DRM was to much for me, and I’m guessing it was too much for the countless other news sites some of which I posted above. Good luck in the future Microsoft because you are damn sure going to need it from what I can see.

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    • Shane Nokes

      Microsoft has been very good about making exceptions for our soldiers in the past. I don’t see why this wouldn’t happen moving forward as well.

      Sounds like you’re really upset though and are having a knee-jerk (that’s not calling you a jerk, it’s referencing a physical reflex) reaction. wait until you’re calm and then think about it.

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    • Daniel Lawson

      and if your grandkids don’t want a PS4? If they want to still stay in the Live ecosystem are you going to tell them “To bad… it’s my way or the highway”?

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      • robmc

        I learned a long time ago not to reward bad behavior. Pretty easy rule to live by. Kind of like tough love.

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      • Shane Nokes

        So good behavior is forcing on them what you want?

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      • Daniel Lawson

        if your grandchild doesn’t wish to games as you wish that’s an option you should leave up to the child… if your grandchild is cussing and being a jerk that’s different… choice vs bad habit

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    • boe2

      If you want to convince the world you are old enough to have grandchildren, at least don’t sound like an self-entitled whiny kid throwing a tantrum over a bloody gameconsole.

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      • robmc

        Born in 1953, and I think that comment you made to me would have been more appropriately directed at Microsoft today.

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  • DARTH DINOBOT

    I do understand why Microsoft are imposing these restrictions on us. However my fear is that because of the 24 hour check in, what will happen in the future when the Xbox One servers are eventually discontinued to make way for it’s replacement. Will that mean I will no longer be able to play any of my games as the console will longer function? The Original Xbox servers were online for 8 years before they were turned off.

    You may say ‘why are you worrying it is many years in the furure’, which is true but if I am to invest my hard earned money into the Xbox One I want to know that the games I have purchased will always be available to me.

    To this day my friends and I still boot up the SNES to have a evening session of Bomberman , Pop’n Twinbee or Street Fighter 2.

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    • Daniel Lawson

      you have every right to be afraid of the service shutting down, but I’m telling you this now… this is the future of entertainment… all entertainment…. Microsoft wants to drag us there… kicking and screaming if nessarry

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      • heyitsme

        So are HD DVD’s lol

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      • Daniel Lawson

        ???

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      • Shane Nokes

        Microsoft made the HDi software for HD-DVD’s so he was making a joke about that:)

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      • Daniel Lawson

        HD-DVD > BR Ray much like Beta Max > VHS

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      • Shane Nokes

        The sad part? I loved all of the prior Sony formats.

        I was a HUGE fan of Beta Max. I loved MiniDisc, and there are a couple others I’ve forgotten that I enjoyed.

        However this time around I really wanted Toshiba to come out ahead as the interactive features on HD-DVD really were way ahead of Blu-Ray.

        However it has now caught up a bit as the studios have figured out how to do the same features in java. The only problem is the features are a lot slower in java than they were in HDi.😦

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      • heyitsme

        when the 360 came out MS went with HD DVD format with an extra peripheral you had to buy, Sony included Blu-ray integrated and that is why we now have Blu-rays instead of the other.

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      • Shane Nokes

        To be fair, HD-DVD’s were alot better with the HDi tech as opposed to the java that Blu-Ray uses.

        Blu-Ray had a huge advantage with Sony subsidizing the costs of disc production for all of the studios though that HD-DVD couldn’t meet.

        Sony can now distance themselves from that since it’s now a ‘consortium’, but back in the day it was Sony…shelling out hundreds of millions in subsidies for the studios…and that’s not even a conspiracy theory…they advertised it in the open.😦

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      • lagrew

        streaming everything is the future no matter what media it was on. MS may IMO jumped the gun a bit but its coming and the profit margin for the company has got to be much higher. I mean if you pay 59.99 for a game through steam this has got to be more lucrative than buying for 59.99 at retail.

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    • deane007

      I’m with you on this.I still get out my old machines and play them. NES,SNES,N64,Saturn,Dreamcast and more.When the servers are shut down all X-box one games will be gone.A whole generation of games gone.Never to be played again.

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      • heyitsme

        What saturn games do you have? Have you played and Sega CD?

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      • deane007

        I have 192 saturn games.I have got the sega CD,but where i live we call it the Mega CD.

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      • heyitsme

        WOW!! I have maybe 30 saturn games, your should try to find Wirehead for your Mega CD it was probably one of the first “true video” games I ever played.

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  • Ravenlord

    They are really talking about achievements !

    Dont you understand ? We dont give a damn about achievements…

    We dont want those stupid restrictions ! Who cares achievements right now ?

    Oh last thing

    Hey DON MATTRICK !!!

    I hope you’ll get FIRED !

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    • Shane Nokes

      The restrictions exist to allow the shared library. Most people it seems don’t understand that concept though and think it’s a random restriction.

      The media has done a good job of making this very unclear.😦

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      • montysan

        So have Microsoft to be fair. Again, it’s unclear how much the 24h restriction is actually needed for shared library.

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      • Shane Nokes

        That I can’t say…but I know that they wouldn’t be able to easily do the shared library without some kind of check on a regular basis.

        There’s no way publishers would let them just give out that kind of access without controls on it.

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      • Michael Burden

        Actually it should be very simple – as long as you have the physical disc in the tray there should be no reason for an online check on SP games. If you play from the hard drive or cloud, then check away. Simple solution for all the issues regarding the online check of ownership.

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      • Shane Nokes

        I agree with that, if the case were only for verifying yourself. I was referring to the shared game library. Other people can play the games you own if you share them, so they need a way to check that too.

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      • montysan

        So anyone who is sharing the content should be connected every hour, that seems fine to me, as before you couldn’t have done this at all. What’s not good is the 24hour limit on your own console. I know we keep talking about the same issue, but it just doesn’t stand as an argument. Microsoft REALLY needs to talk about this. Maybe they’re in discussions now about it, which is why we’ve not heard anything, but it’s probably wishful thinking.

        I’ve just cancelled my gold auto resubscription. Not a lot else I can do, and I’m sure I’ll miss some things on my 360, but I just can’t get an answer out of any official channel. I know other people doing the same.

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      • heyitsme

        I would up vote but I don’t really want to see anyone leave XBLA, but at the same time my knuckles are white from gripping this hope so tightly.

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      • montysan

        Well, I’ve not cancelled my current membership, as you can’t. I will happily put it back if this mess is explained and then sorted. I don’t think that is too much to ask, and I think more people need to contact Microsoft directly and voice their concerns. Get onto a live chat with the support people and ask. Sending a tweet to @majornelson @aceybongos is obviously not going to do anything about it at this stage.
        I am sooooo hoping this is sorted. I’d be gutted if I can’t get an Xbox One, but unless I’m seriously persuaded otherwise about the 24h limit, it’s a deal breaker. Many of my friends have lost patience already, and I’m now worried that the momentum has swung towards ps4 in my office. I wasn’t that impressed with what I saw of ps, so I’m properly worried.

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      • heyitsme

        They have also not answered things like “what happens if you are playing a game and missed your appointment time?”

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      • Shane Nokes

        You’re right that hasn’t been answered. I would expect it to allow the session to finish. I could be wrong, but that would make sense to me.

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      • heyitsme

        No disrespect but I really think you need to re-read the Microsoft pages themselves, they are very subtle about how they say things but the cloud is there for the shared library they would not have to check every day in order to see a game is not stolen if they did the check once a month or maybe even every 2 weeks I would be OK with it but not being able to play with a friend for more than an hour offline is not cool.

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      • Shane Nokes

        You can play with a friend for more than an hour offline as long as they also own the title from my understanding.

        The hour restriction only applies to content that they do not own.

        I also did say that the cloud is there for the shared library.:)

        I think they should loosen up honestly…but I don’t know that they could really loosen up all that much and still be able to do this without the publishers getting upset.

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    • boe2

      “make the exact gaming toy I want, or have your life destroyed”

      That’s the entitlement generation at work, right there.

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      • beardyman3218

        we are entitled to own the games we buy though. thats something i can agree with when people are moaning about xbox one, all ms need to do is remove the online check and drm and they have got a number one selling system.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Just to throw this out these. It’s something most people don’t realize. You’ve never owned your games.

        They’ve always been licensed. You’ve owned the disc or the cartridge, but even then there have always been restrictions. Even the NES had information in the manuals about not modifying, opening, etc the game.

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      • Daniel Lawson

        People don’t understand that nothing has change… just the methode of making sure you don’t illegally use their product has changed

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      • Shane Nokes

        Yup, the ability to enforce the license has gotten tighter, but the licenses themselves are very similar to what they always have been.

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      • beardyman3218

        If i can play my game offline anytime i want and 10 years from now i consider that owning that copy of the game were as having to connect to a server everyday to make sure i still have the game isnt.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Oh I wasn’t arguing your right to believe that. I was just providing context that in terms of actual legal ownership nothing has changed. The actual physical medium has always been owned by the customer. The code on it never has been.

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      • John

        ^this. Sony are being hypocrites and will stumble upon this in the inevitable digital only future of gaming.

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      • lagrew

        this is true you never really own anything in this way. you are just buying the ‘rights’ to use it. Books, movies, games and music are all examples.

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      • John

        I agree, that’s the only thing I get from the two dozen or so people constantly ranting on this site. They should get a life.

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      • heyitsme

        I tried that until today, you can read my previous posts if you like, but on this forum I got too caught up in conversation and false comments.

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      • lagrew

        i agree constructive criticism is basically dead on the net. This idea they owe us is unproductive and foolish IMO. What I really would like is some of the legitimate concerns addressed before too long.However to actually find those among this is a chore in itself.

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  • beardyman3218

    My major concern with xbox one is what happens 10 years from now when they shut their servers down am i left with an empty box and cannot play my games anymore, i still have a ps2 and 10 years from now will still be able to play it, if they announced i can still play these games when there are no longer any servers to connect too then im fine with xbox one otherwise it is going to be a very reluctant move to sony, i have nothing against sony but i do prefer live and feel bad if i leave MS but i made the move from sony to ms during the ps3 release so i suppose things do change. going back to the dualshock will be… interesting theres no doubt xbox has the best controller in gaming.

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    • Shane Nokes

      I’ve been told that Valve has a scenario in place that would unlock their DRM if for some reason they were forced to shutdown. I don’t know 100% if this is true, but I imagine Microsoft would do something similar since it would probably just require a software update.

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      • beardyman3218

        This cannot be something we have to guess at though, they need to announce this before the console releases.

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      • Daniel Lawson

        Final details have to be nailed down sometime during July… so by gamescom we should know everything

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      • beardyman3218

        I hope so, i really do.

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      • Shane Nokes

        It’s a good thing that they have about 5 months left then.😉

        Plenty of time to nail details down and as Daniel says, I expect a lot of things to be nailed down tight at gamescom.

        They said that E3 was always to be about the games and not about the tech or the TV features. So I expect gamescom and maybe even Build to have some info.

        BTW I also hear you on the dualshock thing. That controller has never felt comfy to me.

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      • beardyman3218

        Thats why i havent made a decision on what console to buy yet there is plenty of time left for them too rethink drm and 24 hour check ins, gamescom would be a good way to announce the removel of these restrictions. when is build and gamescom?

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    • John

      I don’t think they will shut anything down this time around. It’s all running on their all encompassing MASSIVE Windows Azure network that runs on the services for all of their systems now and the architecture of the Xbox One is x86. EVERYTHING on the Xbox One is completely in the cloud too, even your games that you can just download and start after a couple of minutes.
      I think this time everything will remain compatible and online, but that’s just me.

      I’d sure wish some sort of backwards compatibility add-on for the Xbox One, even though I do like that new Super Slim 360. But maybe that is in the cards in the near future.

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      • beardyman3218

        I think Microsoft need to publicly announce that we will be able to play these games in the future when they shut their servers down which they will at some point to accommodate the next console.

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  • Shane Nokes

    Ok folks…almost 3am here. So I’m going to try to go to bed.

    Remember if we chatted tonight and you want to add me, my gamertag is Mountain Dew.

    Just let me know who it is, or I won’t accept it since I filter my list carefully.

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    • FinchoMatic

      Probably one of the more rational thinkers out on this. I’d like to say thanks for trying to be civil about your comments.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Always. I only flame those who flame me. I really should be in bed, but insomnia is a pain.😛

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      • FinchoMatic

        I don’t expect to purchase this at launch. One, I’m still a college student. I need to live like one and throwing $500 out there without an income coming in is definitely out of the question.

        I don’t have the time at the moment to look through every comment you posted, but I would definitely like to discuss this with you in the near future. Definitely without it turning into a whole fiasco of someone pointing out every flaw without naming the good.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Feel free to ping me on LIVE then. My Gamertag is Mountain Dew. Just let me know who it is before you send a friend request as I filter out any that don’t have messages telling me who it is.:)

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  • Ryan Hill

    My 1st concern is the hard drive space. I generally buy a quite a lot of games, but since they all have to be installed on the xbox one, I don’t think 500gb is going to go very far. So, in future I would be faced with having to uninstall and reinstall games just to play them. The 2nd concern is what others seem to be saying, once the servers shut down, so does our console. However, a number of xbox 360 games have had servers shut down over the years, as they become less popular. Does this mean in the scenario of owning such a game on the xbox one, it would then also become useless? I’ve followed xbox from day one, but this feels like a shambles of a release. People are praising Sony, but they have not changed anything, Microsoft are just handing them sales with silly decisions. It’s a real shame.😦

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    • Shane Nokes

      Last question I’ll respond to before bed.

      You can plug in an external hard drive to the USB 3.0 port. So you can increase storage that way easily.

      You’re thinking of EA titles that shutdown the matchmaking servers. That’s not related to the titles themselves being unplayable, but that EA themselves shutdown their stuff.

      It seems like there are silly decisions, but when you understand what they are actually giving you those decisions make sense.

      Note: The media is only giving you the restrictions. They aren’t telling you about the features you gain.

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      • Ryan Hill

        Thanks for the reply. I don’t feel that buying multiple hard drives is a viable solution. Some may, but that’s not for me. For starters, it’s extra cost, secondly, it takes up my USB ports.

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      • Shane Nokes

        A bigger hard drive later on is also an extra cost. Also what else would you use those USB ports for? They are not there just to look pretty.😛

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      • Ryan Hill

        A steering wheel, a play and charge kit, an arcade stick, a wired controller, a flight stick, transferring music via memory stick. The list can go on and on. So then I guess the next answer would be, buy a usb hub too? The vision of this console is to be the central hub of your living room is it not? That central hub will really be an eye catcher with multiple hard drives, and usb hubs hanging off it. That isn’t a main worry, but I do find it unacceptable to be paying out for all this just to play games that should be on a disc in the first place. Appreciate your input though, I guess maybe I’m isolated in thinking about all this, but it really is a deal breaker for me.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Why multiple hard drives? Just buy a single 1, 2, or 4TB external drive. You just increased your storage anywhere from 3-9x the original storage capacity without multiple drives needed.

        I think you’re making this more complicated than it needs to be.😉

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      • Ryan Hill

        I shouldn’t have to buy a hard drive full stop. In the UK, a 4tb drive is very expensive, therefore, buying say a 1tb drive might be a bit more manageable, but in the end I will need more of them as a result. Why can’t we just play the games from the disk?

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      • Shane Nokes

        Well the Playstation 4 has the same exact amount of hard drive space. That’s my point. Either way at some point you’ll have to add storage regardless of your console choice.

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      • Ryan Hill

        But I am not having to fully install every game I own on the Playstation. I would say that will last quite a bit longer. Partial installs are very different to full installs.

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      • Shane Nokes

        I have no idea if that’s the case on the PS4 or not. I know a lot of the games out there, including ones I played on the PS3 required a lot of data to be put on the hard drive. I only had a 160GB model PS3 and never did update the drive so I didn’t have a ton of free space on there.

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      • Ryan Hill

        I have a 320gb ps3, and a fair few games. Some partially install, others do not. I am led to believe that this is due to slower access times on a Blu Ray disk, but I’m not 100%. What I do know is that I still have a boat load of space left on that HDD, as I do also on my Xbox360.
        I think we all know that with full installs of next gen games, which are mandatory for some ridiculous reason, will hammer our hard drives and ultimately will cost us considerably more expense. This is supposed to be a games console. I am supposed to be able to pop a game in the drive or cartridge slot and play it.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Actually all optical media is slower than a game installed on a hard drive. Having the game installed has the bonus of giving you better load times, or if handled properly eliminating load time altogether since it is constantly streaming data.

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      • Ryan Hill

        So you think installing every single game that you own is a good idea? I’ve never had much of an issue with loading times if I’m honest. I would much rather that than the uninstall and reinstall / buy another hard drive alternative. If money grew on trees, I wouldn’t care, but I cannot support this idea at all.

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      • Shane Nokes

        I actually install all of the games that I’m playing at any given time yes. I hate the wear and tear on the optical drive, plus the constant noise of the drive spinning.

        I also like when I play huge open-world games that I can seriously reduce the load-times moving from area to area. I’ve actually timed it, and it’s a huge difference.

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      • Ryan Hill

        I’ve not suffered any optical drive problems. The slim 360 and the slim ps3 are very quiet too. I don’t time loading times neither. Those things you mention seem trivial to me in comparison to having to uninstall / reinstall my games to play them.

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      • Shane Nokes

        As I said earlier, you don’t have to uninstall/reinstall. You can always pick up a hard drive later, for either console. I’m not a rich man. In fact on most of my jobs I don’t make much above the minimum wage here. I do take the time to save money for the things I care about though.:)

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      • Ryan Hill

        As do I, but it doesn’t mean we should agree with the ethics of having to spend extra money for the hell of it when a game should be on the disk. We pay enough for the console, without this as well.

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      • Ryan Hill

        Even the option to not install, or install would be nice, just like we get today with the 360.

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      • heyitsme

        No I was wondering the same thing as well, and with the games supposedly nearing 50 GB that is 10 games, so there is that shared library. Also will there be any complications with uninstall reinstall will that count as a tranfer or will the system just go oh yeah he put that on here before and let you use the cloud to play? Does that make any sense to you?

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      • lagrew

        Hd space was a concern for me as well. On my 360 now im easily full with 320 gb and I dont have to install all of them. Now I know the PR answer is we are using the cloud. However to me thats a cop out why not just make this HD bigger or user upgradeable. MS is doing a bad job of answering our questions on any of these subjects.

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      • Shane Nokes

        It is upgradable. You just plug in an external USB 3.0 drive. They aren’t doing a bad job if I can figure this out.

        it’s just a lot of folks are doing the listening to anyone but the media. Microsoft has made some very clear statements.

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      • lagrew

        i understand this , what I am saying is MS needs to pull all these answers into a very clear Q and A session or blog post. This way all these questions are answered honestly, and officially.

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      • Shane Nokes

        I fully agree with you there.:)

        What I was saying is that a lot of folks are rushing to the wrong conclusion because the media seems to be intentionally obfuscating the message.

        Microsoft says something, and then the media finds a way to make it less clear than the original statement.

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      • heyitsme

        My 360 is fine with whatever the previously new, old black one has, but I never put movies on it, a little bit of music for driving games, and a few of the open world type games and Halo 4 as required. Have you heard anything other than the size of the hard drive? Also have they said that it can not be upgraded? (non-USB)

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      • beardyman3218

        “They aren’t telling you about the features you gain.” niether is microsoft thats why i want a q and a session video from major nelson just to clarify what we get out of it if we get anything in return at all. But they need a live q and a on twitch so they can address peoples concerns.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Actually they have said quite a bit. They have just said it at different times to different people.

        I do agree that they need a comprehensive FAQ listing things out. The media has done a great job of obfuscating clear information.😦

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      • beardyman3218

        I agree more precise answers are needed and should be directed right at us the gamers. looking on the internet at game prices they are remaining the same in the us but here in the uk pre order prices are £55 i hope these prices are not final. that equates to (for US customers) around $86! but looking at amazon. com they are still $60.

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      • Shane Nokes

        One thing I always tell folks in the UK that they are sometimes surprised by is that the prices you are seeing for us don’t include tax.

        In the UK your prices include VAT upfront. Here in the US the taxes are factored in later and the advertised price is pre-tax.

        So for a $60 (normal price here) title I end up paying almost $70. I think the average wage in the US is also lower even after factoring in currency conversion.

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      • beardyman3218

        One thing is for sure i cannot wait for the next major podcast there HAS to be some answers in it.

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      • heyitsme

        I almost voted that down simply because of the price, that is rediculous, plus on top of that you won’t even own it!

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    • deane007

      Yep when the servers go down all your games will be useless.All that money you spent on them will be wasted.

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  • jan olsen

    Are there any achivements for purchasing a PS4?

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    • Guest

      Yeah. Death!

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      • jan olsen

        Already got the red ring of death plenty of times on my 360

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      • deadbox102

        I’ve bought 8 consoles because of that “feature”.

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      • Lpmikey

        8? sorry but you’re a sucker, no wonder 360 has been outselling ps3 for months with people like you. i have had mine for like 4 years no red rings, if it did i wouldnt go and buy a new one.

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      • Shane Nokes

        The weird part is that there shouldn’t honestly have ever been a need to go out and buy a new one since there was the 3-year warranty for the 3RL issue. That’s why I didn’t comment on that one sooner since it just sounded odd.

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      • deadbox102

        I had a number of consoles that I sent in to be fixed ( my household has 4 360’s) and after a number of repairs they informed me they wouldn’t fix them without a fee. So now I have 2 GoW, 1 Halo and 1 MW3 consoles.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Huh that’s weird. I used to work Tier 3 and as long as it was within that 3-year 3RL warranty it should have been fixed. Was it just Tier 1 and Tier 2 agents telling you that? If so…always escalate to Tier 3.

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      • heyitsme

        They would not fix my console in Iraq, or the MWR’s consoles.

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      • heyitsme

        Which is another place that was hard to get good internet, its at many more bases now but often shotty, or gets cut do to death or other info blackout times.

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    • deadbox102

      Yeah, $100 worth.

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  • gamer04

    it say something when regardless of what major nelson posts, the conversation instantly turns to consumers running to ps4 due to unecessary policies and restrictions.

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    • Shane Nokes

      It would be nice if they would take the time to understand those policies. They would see that they are actually gaining quite a lot.

      The media has done a great job of making sure it’s not very clear though.😦

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      • gamer04

        I don’t see a whole lot being gained by the used trade in policies and 24 hour and 1 hour internet restrictions. I really don’t see what features can’t be done w/out the used game policies and 24 hour and 1 hour internet restrictions.

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      • Shane Nokes

        You mean like the shared library where you can share out all the games you own with 10 members of your friends and family?

        Microsoft has to have a way to verify that you still own the game in order to allow that sharing ability to work.

        Also what used trade-in policies? You take it to the retail store, hand it to them, get your cash or credit and you’re done.

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      • Disturbed_Court_Jester

        “You take it to the retail store, hand it to them, get your cash or credit and you’re done”

        I’d rather be able to sell my games for the price i want on Ebay and not be forced to sell it to places like Gamestop where they give you a few bucks and then turn around and sell it for almost retail price.

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      • Shane Nokes

        I don’t trust selling my stuff on Ebay. I’ve seen far too many people burned by buyers who make false claims and then the seller gets screwed.

        I would rather be screwed upfront than screwed later on.😉

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      • Disturbed_Court_Jester

        Meh, even if you got screwed say 10 per 100 sales(unlikely), that’s still a whole lot better then receiving your gas money back from selling your games.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Well it also depends on how much your games end up selling for on eBay too. You can lose money on the shipping fees if you don’t sell the game for enough.

        I just recently bought a lot of 4 limited edition Xbox 360 Mountain Dew hats…the guy paid more in shipping than I paid for the auction. I felt bad…but he really should have checked his shipping costs firsts.

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      • gamer04

        3 scenarios come to mind.

        1. if there isn’t a gamestop nearby, it might be difficult for those looking to do a cash transaction of a used game towards another new or used game since trades can’t be done at any retail location, since its only “participating retailers”.

        2. I can’t loan the game to more than one friend to try out or play.

        3. There currently isn’t a non-commercial way to sell your games to someone else, such as ebay, craigslist, friend of a friend, etc.

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      • Shane Nokes

        1. Gamestop was just an example that’s been used. Other stores will be able to take trade-ins as well. I don’t think Microsoft is going to set the bar super high for retailers to allow the trade-ins.

        2. Yes you can, through the shared library feature.

        3. There is, but only if they are currently on your friend list. That does make Ebay and Craigslist inconvenient I will admit.

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      • gamer04

        the problem is they haven’t announced retailers, if they aren’t a Chain store, it might not be possible. Isn’t it easier to take a game anywhere you want?

        The shared library only works for the same household, and outside that games can only be lent once.

        i appreciate their efforts, but its all about convenience.

        (that said i’ll still be getting one, but i can understand why people are upset about this)

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      • Shane Nokes

        Why do people keep saying shared library is the same household? No it’s not.

        Yusuf Medhi from Microsoft already debunked that. You can make ANYONE one of those 10 people in your ‘family’ list for the shared library, even if they are 3000 miles away.

        He even said that 3,000 miles away number in his quote.

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      • gamer04

        Thanks for sharing that shane, I didnt catch that part. So that’s one less thing to worry about and really a positive feature. Now if they can work out the rest.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Ah ok. I’ve posted it so many times I’ve forgotten who all I’ve posted it to.

        That positive feature right there is part of the reason for the ones that people are viewing as negative.

        They have to have some way to verify ownership to allow that feature.

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    • John

      It just shows that the constantly whining people here aren’t true gamers that support the industry. They are all thinking about their own pockets and nothing else. Digital is the future and gaming retail is dying fast. The digital policies MS has set up keep the digital future fair for all of us.

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  • Mightymango

    Seems like more deflection from all the negative press. This is not going to appease the masses……you need to make consumers actually want to buy your system right now. You guys have “PS3’d” it so badly right now, this is not going to help that

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    • Shane Nokes

      How so? The policies make sense if you understand what you’re gaining. They weren’t just thrown in at random.

      How else do you think they can ensure at least one person owns the game when they have the shared library where the original owner can share their games out with 10 friends and family?

      Do you expect things to go entirely on the honor system?

      If that were the case one person could buy it, and everyone in the world could play it without ever paying….not going to happen.

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      • deadbox102

        Why shut down gaming on the console without internet? The DLC on my 360 can be played when I’m not connected.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Is that DLC shared with 10 other people in various locations, necessitating the need to check original ownership to verify that it should still be shared?

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      • Frank Costanza's lawyer

        “Yeah! That’s what I always wanted! Be able to share with ten other people in various locations!”, said no one ever.

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      • Shane Nokes

        You do realize that a huge thing people were complaining about was not being able to loan games right? The shared library eliminates that complaint since you can share a games with friends and family, without even having to loan them a disc. You just add them to the shared list, and they can play it.

        Also just because you don’t care about it doesn’t mean no one has said it. The topic has already come up about 20 times minimum on just this posting alone. So please, take your attitude to someone who cares.

        You won’t find a way to troll me, because I’ll troll you back harder until you give up.

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      • CW

        Really Frank? Because of lot of the griping is from people complaining about not being able to loan a game to a friend.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Exactly. A lot of the people downvoting me are people who think this is reddit, and also don’t understand the concept of how this makes loaning games pretty easy.

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      • deadbox102

        Then restrict the friends and family from the owners content not the content from the owner.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Ok you’re going to have to give me a detailed example here, because what you said is not making any sense. It could be because it’s nearly 5am here…

        Tell me how you can have a shared library, but not check ownership of the original title on a regular basis to ensure ownership as not changed hands in the manner in which you are describing.

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      • deadbox102

        If my console goes offline, family and friends can’t play my library until my console comes back online and it is verified they have permission to play my library. Don’t lock my console down and keep me from playing content I purchased through my console.

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      • Shane Nokes

        I’ve already said that I agree that for the actual title owner that the disc should be used for verification. I haven’t argued against that at all.

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      • JayD

        Then don’t get it. The 24 hr check is not even an inconvenience for most people. Stop trying to act like everybody should be outraged. I can’t even name one instance where I have not had internet for over 24 hrs.

        With the console having Wifi built in pairing with a smartphone should be no problem for a quick check.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Indeed. I actually had to do that recently when my modem went bad. I used my phone as a hotspot to do a few things on my PC’s and on the Xbox. Total data used was about 50MB for checking e-mails, doing some surfing, and using the Xbox for some light gaming.

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      • Shawn Springer

        WIFI tethering isnt free for cell providers.. Unless you hack your phone to bypass it, your pretty much assuming everyone is computer literate and that can be tech savvy enough to have 24mb internet service through the power of their voice.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Huh…it’s part of the standard package on my AT&T Mobile Share plan. Both of our phones have it for no additional cost.

        Why would you need 24mb service to send a simple check? You could do that via a 64k DSL line, or even a dialup connection if you have a crossover cable for the PC and it has a dialup modem in it.

        Heck there are still free nationwide dialup ISP’s that you could do just that with.

        I can see at this point though that you’re not actually trying to have a serious conversation about this…which is disappointing.😦

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      • deadbox102

        I live in an area where some households can’t get internet and even their cells are lucky to work. There are quit a few people in my area who can’t go from the 360 to the X1 simply because of this.

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      • JayD

        How are you on the internet right now?

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      • deadbox102

        I’m sick of this ignorant question. I’m at work and on my phone. This is an mountainous area and its 20 miles to the nearest town for me. I’m closer than many and those are the ones who don’t have internet at their homes.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Calm down. He didn’t accuse you of anything. He asked a question.

        Do you want me to flip out on you anytime you ask something that seems obvious to me, but may not to you?

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      • deadbox102

        You think I’m getting upset? Not by a long shot.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Read your post back to him again. I think you’ll see why I thought that.

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      • JayD

        I doubt MS are going to change their mind. They did something similar with the launch of XBL when they limited it to broadband only. Tons of people were angry but it made the service better even though some were excluded. Obviously it is unfortunate some people were excluded.

        For most people this won’t really be a problem. They are setting this system up for the next 8 years. By not being reliant on the disc they will be able to do things that Sony cannot. They hinted at this in a interview but I forgot which it is. I know in one of the leaks there was talk of streaming games from your Xbox to your PC/tablet wherever you are and playing them with a controller. That is something that cannot be done in the old model.

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      • Shane Nokes

        I remember when the original Xbox came out a ton of people were upset thinking that Microsoft had somehow screwed up on the size of the ‘phone jack’ on the back.

        That always made for a good laugh…:)

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      • JayD

        People in general are sensationalists. Take the NBA Finals for example. One minute people are saying the Heat are unstoppable, the next they are saying they need to broken up/etc.

        The same thing is happening with the Xbox. Sony may seem ahead today. In the future though when Xbox users are playing all their xbox games on the go streamed to any tablets/PC with a wireless controller Xbox will look more forward thinking. MS isn’t enabling these policies just to piss people off but to allow them to do things they couldn’t otherwise.

        You can’t stream games to any tablet/PC without the 24 hr check and all games installed/in the cloud. If you are away from your console how do you switch games? How does Sony know you didn’t sell a game without 24 hr checks? This is something MS will only be able to do because of their flexibility. This is only one thing mentioned on a leak from 2010! I am sure they will have more uses.

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      • Shane Nokes

        I agree with everything you’ve said there.

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      • heyitsme

        I thought that Steam uses the cloud and people shut that off and play their games and now people are finally able to start owning their games also, any Germans in here?

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      • JayD

        Sorry, I didn’t understand what you mean?

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      • Shane Nokes

        Steam does use the cloud. Steam also has an offline mode, but it’s also time-limited. Just not as a short of a time as the Xbox One.

        At the same time Steam doesn’t let you share games either.

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      • heyitsme

        In Germany they can now trade and sell them, thats why I posed that question because I’m in the U.S. and do not know the full details. They sued and won I know that much.

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      • Shane Nokes

        That is interesting. I hadn’t kept up on the German market.

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      • Shawn Springer

        Yeah but if you put the game disc in, it would still play..:) Imagine that.. Oh whats that.. A used game that is 20 dollars rather then 39.99 is being played and enjoyed without a internet line, no broadband:)

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      • Shane Nokes

        Ok, now you’re just repeating the same point over and over again without even attempting to move on.

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      • heyitsme

        I understand that they are trying to future proof it but why barricade so many people from using it now and getting into the next gen, when they could drop a few restrictions and let them play their games now and as the internet area expands to everyone (because it will) they can join in with the rest of the community, rather than sending them to PS4 and losing some of their most loyal customers that played games offline because they have no internet at the moment?

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      • Shane Nokes

        I think JayD explained that really well with the analogy to the ethernet port and not supporting dial-up users on the original Xbox.

        They have to set a minimum bar. People said it would kill the original Xbox. Instead it turned out to be enough of a success that it warranted them building the 360.

        Sometimes in business you have to take risks that don’t always seem to make sense in the short term, but pay off in the long term.

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      • Shawn Springer

        Even when they put a ethernet port in the original XBOX.. Games you bought could be played OFFLINE, games could be owned and traded freely. It didnt need to call mom to ask to be played. At the time xbox original came out, I had dial up and then got dsl which was like 768 down stream. Less then 1mb.. Upstream wasnt even 256k I believe. I had silver. Just do random updates but in Texas we had problems with att. Tornados, line outages and what not.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Right, but you also couldn’t share things the way they have it setup now.

        Also and I hate to burst your bubble, but you’ve never owned a game. You’ve owned a disc or a cartridge, but the game was always licensed. Someone tried to argue this with me, and I even showed him how he didn’t even own Super Mario Bros.

        The manuals always had the restrictions in them talking about modifying, tampering, etc.

        Things do change overtime. They are not always going to make everyone happy. What you will find in this life is that unhappy people tend to speak up more than happy people. That’s why the term ‘vocal minority’ exists. You’re going to find that most people really don’t find this to be an issue, but it will seem like it because the people who do talk about it a lot.

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      • JayD

        That is a sensible argument. The downside of this would be that you wouldn’t have access to older games only ones that came out after they enabled the 24 check and were designed to work with it.

        Maybe they didn’t have time to design a system that can do both at launch? I think the problem is that we don’t know the timetable for these innovations. If they are going to allow streaming next year then they should launch with the 24 check imo. If they are going to enable it in 4 years then I agree with you.

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      • heyitsme

        There are no answers to many of the questions they have posed as information. They say that you can share with up to 10 people but if you read on it sounds like onlybe on it at a time as long as you are signed it. If I want to go to a friends house that is able to play X1 does my system have to be on or can it be off and if it is a far away friend and I am going to be there for a weekend or even a week how do I run a check on my system so I can play there?

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      • heyitsme

        I know you don’t have the answers but someone should.

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      • JayD

        As for the 10 people sharing:

        Since its announcement, there has been some confusion over the details of sharing your Xbox One game library with up to ten “family members.” Mehdi couldn’t give comprehensive details but he did clarify some things.

        For one, a family member doesn’t have to be a “blood relative,” he said, eliminating the extremely unlikely possibility that the Xbox One would include a built-in blood testing kit. For another, they don’t have to live in the primary owner’s house—I could name a friend that lives 3,000 miles away as one of my “family members” Mehdi said.

        You’ll be able to link other Xbox Live accounts as having shared access to your library when you first set up a system, and will also be able to add them later on (though specific details of how you manage these relationships is still not being discussed). The only limitation, it seems, is that only one person can be playing the shared copy of a single game at any given time. All in all, this does sound like a pretty convenient feature that’s more workable than simply passing discs around amongst friends who are actually in your area.

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      • JayD

        The Xbox One has a low power mode. So it is always on. But the acct info is stored in the cloud. So if you actually unplug the xbox it won’t matter. So if you go to a friends house it will look up your acct info on XBL. They will then download the game to your friends system and you can play it with him. You can play as it downloads.

        As for running a check on your system I don’t know what you mean? All your acct info is stored online. The xbox is just a device that lets you access your acct and games. All your games/saved games/dlc are stored online. You can access and play them from any xbox instantly.

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      • heyitsme

        Thats what I mean no concise info, and it sounds like they would not need to check my system then, the online cloud should already know that the game I am playing is mine why check it every hour?

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      • JayD

        Yes the cloud knows all the games you own.

        They check it because after you sell the game you can still play it. You don’t need the discs to play the games. So when you go to sell it the retailer will notify XBL and they will disable the game on your acct.

        Then whenever your xbox checks in again you will no longer be able to play it. So if you turn in the game at 6 pm but your xbox doesn’t check in until 10 am. You can still play the game for hours after you have sold it.

        If there was no check people could buy games and still play them after they were sold or returned lol.

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      • montysan

        Difference is, they could still play Xbox games offline. They weren’t moving from a previous Xbox that could do offline to one that couldn’t. If you didn’t like the broadband restrictions, or couldn’t get it (I was a person who couldn’t get broadband at the time), then you just put up with it as you still had a great console (man, I loved my old Xbox).

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      • JayD

        Yep I was just trying to explain how MS doesn’t just get caught up in the now like most people do and plan their console for the next 8 years.

        Right now the gained flexibility by this move seems asinine because to most consumers there are no immediately obvious benefits. However that story could easily change when consumers are able to access the power of their Xbox from any laptop/tablet/pc. That is just one example of what can be done with this flexibility.

        MS is betting on the future and Sony is betting on the now. It will be interesting to watch it unfold.

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      • montysan

        I really like the changes in how games are delivered, and I can imagine some great things they could do. Subscriptions where you can play any game etc etc. However, for things like game downloads, and even on a disc, I cannot see why there is a 24h offline restriction. It has not been explained officially in a satisfactory way. Game downloads on the 360 work offline on the machine they’re associated with, and can be played on other machines if you’re online, so why can the Xbox One not do that? This is what needs to be explained.

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      • JayD

        Well you cannot sell/trade game downloads or return them. If MS only allowed you to buy games online and not at retailers, your idea would work. You cannot return/trade/sell online downloads so they are easier to manage.

        The disc is not needed with Xbox One. It is just used to install the game. Since the disk is just used to install the game, if they do not do 24 hr checks, you can return the game and still play it. When you return the game gamestop/etc. will deactivate the game from your acct. That way you can’t play it anymore. Until your console performs its online check your xbox will not know that the game is deactivated on your acct because it hasn’t checked yet. That is why they need to be 24 hr.

        Hope this clears some stuff up for you.

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      • montysan

        As you said yourself, the disc is just to install the game. Therefore it must come with something to make it unique – like a prepaid download code (similar to what you can already get with the 360). Else how do Microsoft know that you’ve paid for the game, and not just been given the disc by someone else. That means it’s just like a download, and so should be able to work as I’ve said before without an offline limit.
        Without a code with the disc to tie it to your machine, how do they stop people installing it on multiple machines with an online check or not?

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      • JayD

        Yep it probably has an internal code embedded in the disc. If they treat it like a digital download though and have no offline limit, what is to stop someone from installing the game and preventing the Xbox from going online (unplug ethernet/Wifi). Now you can return/sell/trade the disc and still play on the console. That is the problem.

        If they treat it exactly like digital games then there would be no problem. You cannot return/sell/trade digital downloads. So you can play offline because they know that you will always own the game. I think that would cause more complaints though than the 24 hr check.

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      • montysan

        What’s to stop someone using current 360 prepaid code twice… the online check when you redeem it. So it could work exactly like that for Xbox one downloads and game discs. Resale is going to be limited, they’ve said that, but it could work with this system.

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      • JayD

        Resale won’t be limited unless a publisher chooses to make it limited under the current scheme. You can still trade/sell/return games.

        With the 360 once you use a code it is useless. If they do the same for games in the X1 then how would people trade/return/sell games?

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      • montysan

        It’s messy I agree, but less of an issue than being completely unable to play offline. Personally, I’d forge ahead on making games cheaper, but not transferable. That will happen at some point, as then you can go totally digital. However, I can see why people want resale etc.

        To do it now, unregister the code from the original machine online. This can ensure it’s deleted from the machine. They can then either allow the same code to be used by someone else, or provide a new code once the old one is unregistered. Not perfect, but outweighs offline play limits. Again, they’ve just not explained this stuff still.

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      • JayD

        Agreed it is messy. As for your proposed method this is what I am pretty certain they are going to do. When you trade/sell/return a game it gets “unregistered”. This is why they said only certified retailers can accept returns/etc. They need the ability to unregister a game from an acct.

        The problem is that your xbox will not know the game was unregistered until it goes online and updates your acct info. This is why the xbox needs a 24 hr check. It doesn’t need to always be online but needs to check in to make sure you aren’t playing a game that was returned/etc. days later lol.

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      • montysan

        This is why you need to unregister it online using the Xbox device it is associated with itself… i.e. before taking it in to resell etc. Microsoft could provide a simple web interface for the store to confirm that a game has been unregistered. Again, messy though, but doable. It’s infuriating that they’re keeping quiet on the details. Are they still working it out themselves, or seeing if someone comes up with a solution

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      • JayD

        Oh I see what you are saying. That could probably work. It is a little messy though lol. Maybe they could make it an option while installing the game?

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      • montysan

        Even if it is doable…. god knows what they’re actually planning

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      • JayD

        Yea who knows? Maybe they want Sony to commit to the old way before they explain the benefits of the new way.

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      • deadbox102

        I like what MS is trying to do, but preventing gamers from accessing the content they have paid for simply because they lose connection is going too far.

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      • JayD

        Hey I can empathize with your situation. If I had limited internet options like you I would also be pissed. Maybe they can allow you to use a secured usb device to verify your games. Then you could just take it to work and get the verify key and take it back to your xbox?

        Seems plausible but it could probably be used as a way to hack the xbox to pirate games. If they made a custom device though it might work?

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      • deadbox102

        I drive a truck. There’s no office for me.

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      • heyitsme

        I have tried numerous times to explain that to people, they seem to think the internet is complete magic and it is truly run through the clouds or something. It was hard to find an internet that was even viable for gaming where I live, I tried hughes net and could not even play Halo Reach online, and now that I do have it I am trying to be a voice for the many that can not have it. My local Gamestop manager can not get it so he has to reluctantly switch to Sony, its not what I want for him or my friends that I play games with so I am trying to help. I am repeating myself yet again and apologize for it, but not everyone that is a gamer has internet access.

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      • Shane Nokes

        The local Gamestop manager doesn’t have internet at all?

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      • heyitsme

        No and he does not get cell phone service at his house, nor do I get mobile signal at my house.

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      • Shane Nokes

        I have to admit that sucks. In that scenario there really is nothing that can be done as things stand.

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      • heyitsme

        Exactly!! As things stand, any more converts?!? I got lucky and found a Radio internet provider in my area which I did not even know existed until I found it.

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      • Shawn Springer

        Im on Sprint and the cell is HOrrible in the house.. I have to go out to the mailbox to not lose connection. Mostly call people when I get to work.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Wait…you were just commenting on UK internet service. Sprint is a US only carrier…

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      • DARTH DINOBOT

        Unfortunately I can talk for experience that I once lost internet
        connect to my house for 10 days due to a cracked cable at me local exchange, starting on December 24th. Without Mass Effect 3 on my Xbox 360 to keep me entertained over the holiday period I think I would have lost my mind. Under Microsoft’s new system this is something I will not have been able to do.

        Additionally I have a Pay And Go Phone which does not support tethering.

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      • Shane Nokes

        10 days for a repair? I’d switch ISP’s immediately. That’s unacceptable.

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      • DARTH DINOBOT

        British Telecom for you. Took them 8 days to find the fault and I think that was because they had all gone home for Christmas

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      • Shane Nokes

        8 days? WTF. On any system whether it be cable, standard telephone, or fiber you can just send a signal on the wire and see where it stops carrying. You can then send multiple signals and get an exact location. The process takes minutes to hours at the worst.

        Yeah…I would definitely be switching if it took them 8 days to complete a process that I could do with my home PC in a couple hours.😦

        Heck I’ve been able to tell my local ISP’s before when a server of theirs was having issues, and even tell them which specific server it was.

        Sometimes I really hate ISP’s.

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      • DARTH DINOBOT

        10 days is actually pretty good for British ISP’s. When I
        had a fault on my business Virgin Media line it took them 2 weeks to admit that there was a fault at all, and then a further week to fix it. 25% of all UK households still do not have a
        wired or mobile broadband connection!

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      • Shane Nokes

        I’m surprised to hear that. I have a ton of friends in the UK with broadband and never head horror stories like this before.

        It’s good (well not good for you obviously) to hear stories like that. It’s so weird though that they can’t pin down simple issues like that.

        I’m glad that over here (at least where I’m at) there’s options for net beyond just the telecoms.

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      • DARTH DINOBOT

        I tend to find that when my broadband works, its works well never dropping below 5Mbps download. However should a fault arise it can take an age for it to be resolved. As of December 2012 the average speed in the UK is 12Mbps

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      • montysan

        Deal with the internet providers in the UK before making comments like this. Seriously, there can be major major headaches. I’ve personally been pretty lucky, but I know lots of people who haven’t, hence my big concern for 24hour offline limits. In many places you have to have a phone line. Only BT can provide that (even if you actually pay some other company, BT are responsible for the line), and it can take them ages sometimes to sort out issues.
        I love the sound of some of the possible new things you can do, but I just can’t see the justification for the 24 hour offline on the original console. There is no official explanation from Microsoft.

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      • Shawn Springer

        You can switch but if your under contract or if you call someone, it could take 5-6 days from someone to come out to get you connected again.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Huh that’s really poor service. I can switch ISP’s within minutes here. I can just call my cable company and have them turn it on and my modem is hot with a signal within minutes. Then I just call the telecom and tell them to go away.

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      • Shawn Springer

        Your phone will need to be signed up with WIFI hotspot which is extra by cell carriers. What CITY do you live in?? Try living in Midlothian Texas or Ennis Texas where you would have to pay over 100 dollars a month for satellite internet. I dont know anyone with a steam account but according to them they can build a new gaming PC and still use their old steam games by logging in with their user name. You cant even do that with the xbox one.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Sure you can. Your console breaks or you buy a new one for some reason, you just log in and your content is still yours.

        Who told you otherwise?

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      • Craig

        everyone should outraged that why he acting like that and
        tethering not allowed on some mobile makes and contracts so using a smartphone
        not really an option for all I know 02 did not allow it with the iPhone for a
        long time (may have changed)

        never mind the phone bill at the end mouth not everyone has unlimited data

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    • JayD

      You are over reacting about the how much the masses will affect sales. Steam also had a ton of negative reactions but eventually people realized it isn’t that big of a deal.

      Also I doubt this will even break most major news sites. This will do nothing to “deflect the negative press”. If you really think that you are deluded. Major Nelson is just sharing what he can.

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    • Mightymango

      Did I mention any where that I said it should be free? No
      Did I mention an honor system issue? No I did not. My point is that mentioning an achievement system when the masses are reading all the big news reports on non-gaming sites of restrictive game play as well as arrogance of upper management being portrayed everywhere you look for MS news. It reminds me of Sony 8 years ago. It is sad to me as I have been a Xbox fan for over 10 years now.

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      • Shane Nokes

        I think you meant to reply to me, but accidentally replied to yourself.

        What wrong with them talking about all aspects of the system? You do know that different people work on different things, and that Larry talks about all of them right?

        Why should he hold off on a posting with information from someone on a team if it’s ready to be published?

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      • Mightymango

        Yeah I miss posted as im doing this from my phone. Nothing is wrong with him posting this. I love achievements, the time based ones not so much. I just hope their ideas change a little bit over the next five months

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      • Shane Nokes

        I think over the next 5 months you’ll find the media made things sound worse than they are. This is basically like Steam, but with the ability to share the games with friends and family anywhere in the world.

        Hence the need for the checks.

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    • Liquidfx Xboxdude

      i remember when sony came out with the ps3 and i laughed at the price and the fact it came out AFTER xbox 360. I was able to get my 360 for $350 on a deal on day one of release. The ps3 was like $599 and i laughed because i thought that they must be crazy. it took a long time to come in price too. it was a failure. that is what i think may/probably happen to xbone. i hate it too with all my heart. i am a gamer dork extreme. gaming was my childhood and saved me again in my 20s from drug overdose and other stuff which i was really into back then. i am only 30 but i am just sad that something that saved my life is turning on me or at least it feels that way.

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  • Shane Nokes

    This post is for Iron Fists. For some reason all of your posts won’t allow replies directly to you so I’ll answer you here:

    That doesn’t allow the shared library to work however. That’s the whole
    point. They’ve added a new feature that allows you to share with 10
    people.

    There has to be a way for them to still verify the original ownership on a regular basis.

    What you are saying makes sense for just playing the game yourself…but not for sharing with multiple people.

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    • Shawn Springer

      Right now, a 1000 different people can play the game in my house. It could be played in different consoles and it would not require a gamertag or an account to play. I can let my kids play it without them connecting to the internet. Its awesome.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Indeed. In your house.

        Can he also play that same game if he’s 1000 miles away and the disc is in its case in your house?

        This way he can.

        Can you let a friend who lives hundreds of miles away play the game if he wants, without having to mail him the disc?

        This way you can.

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      • Arminator

        As great as this sounds for marketing, and the 10 family members/friends I can share with. The thing that annoys me the most is:
        *I* have *paid* for the license to play a game, and am willing to share.

        However, as soon as *my* Internet connection is lost for over 24 hours, it is *I* who can’t play the game, despite the fact I bought it.

        All 10 people that I accepted to be “leeching” off my game purchase are allowed to play *my* games, and I am locked out from playing even though I have the physical disc in my hand.

        This system is not convenient, it is BROKEN! Period.

        If my Internet goes down, as long as I have a physical disc of the game, I should be allowed to play it.

        If I haven’t signed in after 24 hours, disable my game sharing. Let the leechers be unable to play my games.

        But do NEVER EVER lock me out of my purchases!

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      • Shane Nokes

        Show me where I’ve disagreed with your stance on the disc being allowed to work for the original owner and I’ll send you a nickel.

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      • Arminator

        Sorry, wasn’t a disagreement against you. It was just an expansion of my stance in regards of how broken this system is.

        I agree with you that in theory, the basic idea behind this concept of sharing games and stuff, is all nice.

        But how Microsoft currently executes that idea is completely backwards and broken.

        The right way would be to allow the owner with the physical disc to play anytime, and disable those that do not have a “proof” of ownership. Be it an online connection or a physical item.

        What happened to “innocent until proven guilty”? The Xbox One makes it “You are ALWAYS guilty after 24 hours, unless you can prove your innocence every 24 hours.”

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  • ikari_paul

    what achievemnt will i get for watching porn?

    …ok, ill be leaving now…

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    • Liquidfx Xboxdude

      Achievement Unlocked: Xbone

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  • Retroact1ve

    Looks like Microsoft just got busted for doing something on Reddit that is a big no-no, according to a Redditor that goes by the name “mistysilver.”
    Representatives of Microsoft may be hanging out on the social news site voting up positive comments about the Xbox One, voting down negative comments and adding pro-Xbox comments of their own, Misty Silver says.
    Misty Silver didn’t reveal his/her real identity, except to say. “I work for a marketing firm in Redmond that has a contract with Microsoft. I can’t say specifically which division, but suffice to say we are not involved with the Xbox.”
    The story goes: While at Microsoft for a meeting, Misty Silver saw and overheard some employees on Reddit. She looked at one of the employee’s screens:
    “I noticed he was mass-downvoting a ton of posts and comments, and he kept switching to other tabs to make posts and comments of his own. I couldn’t make out exactly what he was posting, but I presumed he was doing RM (reputation management) and asked my boss about it later. According to my boss, MS have[sic] just brought in a huge sweep of SMM managers to handle reputation management for the Xbox One,” Silver reported.
    “Reputation management” is the term social media marketers use to “pose as happy customers” on social media sites. They upvote/downvote and make comments.
    In the last year or so, Reddit has become a prime target for reputation management, Misty Silver says.
    Reddit says its ok for people to submit their own info to Reddit within reason. But it’s strictly against the rules to either “pretend to be someone else” or to “create mass downvote or upvote campaigns.“
    In extreme cases it can get an entire company completely banned from Reddit.
    That’s probably impossible with Microsoft. Legit Redditors are going to want to discuss the company and its products. But this kind of stuff still really irks Redditors. One of them even outed a Reddit account they thought belonged to a Microsoft marketer.
    Obviously, we can’t confirm this story. We asked Microsoft for comment on if they have people on their payroll using Reddit and will update when they reply.
    Still the idea of “reputation management” is for real.

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    • Shane Nokes

      That story is old. Also I’ve spent time on campus and can tell you that his story is bunk. The security there wouldn’t allow what he’s saying to happen.

      There’s a ton of holes in his story. On top of that, his name Misty Silver? That’s the name of a color Sony uses on products.

      I mean seriously look at the story…his manager knows secret details of an Xbox project when they don’t even work on an Xbox project?

      Secrets are kept better than that on campus. Plus Microsoft owns their own IP block. It would be obvious if they were astroturfing.

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      • Retroact1ve

        Uh huh. No offense but ms just isn’t very reliable these days to be honest. Denying involvement in prism then being busted when leaked slides came out naming them as one of the many involved. Guess well see how all of this pans out.

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    • John

      It’s old and it’s BS. Anyone can post anything on Reddit.

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    • JayD

      Mods have confirmed the story is BS.

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    • Shane Nokes

      You mean that really poor slide deck that even the Washington Post says can’t be trusted…and they were the one supporting it at first?

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      • Retroact1ve

        Hahaha it was proven and admitted by the government, and they are actively trying to clean up their image. That’s also why the whistle blower too off and our government is looking for the guy. also he is being defamed as a traitor. Yep he must be lying to garner so much attention

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      • Shane Nokes

        Those were two different stories. One story was about the program itself. The other story was about who was involved.

        The story about who was involved is the one that has been debunked.

        You can believe anything you want…but I know for a fact due to my work experience that it’s bunk. I’m sure that you though, random internet guy 2212 knows better than me…

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      • Retroact1ve

        Say what you want. We are all random here and I’d lie too if I was facing a huge pr disaster when it comes to credibility pertaining to privacy if I was a head of a company who was about to put an appliance in millions of people’s homes that contained a mandatory infared camera and mic that must always be plugged in. Yep sure wouldn’t lie about that and deceive my customers.

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      • Shane Nokes

        I’m not random at all. You can do what someone else did earlier and find me on LinkedIn. I know exactly what I’m talking about.

        Note that Kinect can also be turned off. People like you love to ignore that little fact. You like to pretend that fact doesn’t exist, and then come up with a conspiracy every time someone gives you real information.

        What’s your next conspiracy theory?

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      • Retroact1ve

        Oh so it can be unplugged? Is this confirmation from a ms employee kinect can be unplugged?

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      • Shane Nokes

        Of course it can. It’s not hardwired in. You can unplug it every time you turn the console off all you want….and even when you turn the console on you can still turn the Kinect off via the settings…and if you’re super paranoid you can even strip the wires and hook up gear to it to see if it’s actually doing anything.

        Hint, you won’t find it doing a damned thing once you tell it to stay off.

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      • Retroact1ve

        Ok now you’re just trying to be cute with me. When the system is on can the kinect be unplugged?

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      • Shane Nokes

        I’m not being cute at all. I actually fully answered your question. I can’t help it if you don’t want to read it.

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      • Retroact1ve

        My question was when the system is on can you unplug the kinect from the system? Your answer glossed over the fact that Even if you aren’t using the kinect for any game that you are playing the system will not allow you to. Would you disagree with that statement?

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      • Shane Nokes

        I didn’t gloss over anything. When the system is turned on the Kinect must be plugged in. However you can completely 100% disable it via the console settings.

        If you don’t believe it’s disabled then feel free to strip the wires and test it with whatever tools you feel are necessary.

        You’re trying to twist it into a PRISM conspiracy however…and that’s why I said to feel free to actual test the bare wire if you wish.

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      • Retroact1ve

        Not twisting anything. I’m pointing out that even though there may be no need for the kinect to certain users its mandatory it must stay plugged in. If unplugged you can’t even play games that do not even use kinect, and you don’t even find that funny in the least bit? If I unplug my webcam guess what my pc still plays games, same thing with the ps3 and the ps eye. How is this justified in a reasonable fashion?

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      • Retroact1ve

        Im not twisting anything. I was simply pointing out for the X number of potential users of xbone that even though they will not need kinect in anyway for the games they will play that do not require kinect… it is mandatory that it remains plugged into the system. I simply wish to know what justifiable reason is there that the system requires it to be plugged in when not in use? Thats it, can you answer that simple question.

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  • KillerByte

    I bet you that the online check is only around 5 seconds that is it

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    • Retroact1ve

      It would be something that runs in the background. The point remains is for those who have to go periods without net, even their single player games will have their access blocked. I took a nice poll at work yesterday with all the gamers I know there. Current gen users are split. Half have ps3 the other half xbox 360. I asked them what they were planning on buying all but one said they already pre ordered the ps4. Gamestop said they are no more pre orders available everywhere I checked locally. Last place here to preorder ps4 is best buy. The last employee I talked to who did say he was buying the xbone is under the impression he can still lend games to friends. I do have a feeling there will be tons of angry early adopters crying about it on youtube within the first week.

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      • Shane Nokes

        That’s because he can still lend games to friends. He just turns on his shared library, adds a friend to it, and that friend can play the game at their house. It’s as simple as that.

        It sounds like you’re intentionally ignoring information being given to you. Am I wrong about that?

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      • Retroact1ve

        Yes you are wrong about that. That’s just not the type of impression he has. Just wait though, no reason to argue about it now. Let’s just see the reviews roll in after the actual launch.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Ok, so you said he had the impression that he could lend games to his friends, and he’s right. I don’t see how he’s wrong at all.

        It means he doesn’t even have to give his friend the disc at all. His friend can just go home and play it on their own couch…no need to visit or borrow anything.

        I’m also not arguing. I’m providing facts.

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      • slider2nl

        if i want to lend a game i give him the game so he can play it at his own home, not in my home, and i dont want to share everything with friends from my library

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      • gamer04

        i hope they add a way to flag certain games for sharing and some for not, especially with kids. let me know if you hear anything about that.

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      • Shane Nokes

        That’s what I just said. Why do people keep getting this mixed up…

        Ok let me explain it again….for about the 50th time now on this posting.

        You decide to share a game with a friend. You add him to your family list. Now at his house he can see what you have chosen to share with him. He can play it there at his house, on his console.

        To anticipate your next question, yes this has been confirmed by a Microsoft employee Yusuf Medhi. His example was a friend who lives 3,000 miles away playing a game from his shared library.

        I swear this concept is so simple even kids get it, but adult gamers don’t.😦

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      • slider2nl

        i want to lend the disc period, with out to add someone or share library or whatever settings you need to enable that.

        like as we do today with our 360 games

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      • Shane Nokes

        As it stands right now that’s not possible. I don’t see the advantage in that. Personally I don’t like lending my discs. This way I can lend games and not have to worry about the disc at all.

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      • slider2nl

        thats a matter of tast. glad we have more options digital and disc, but still the new policies s*cks

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      • KillerByte

        it probably will run in the background or before the console,you can lend games to your friends
        Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.

        So what this means that
        1. It is up to game publishers to allow games to given to your friends
        2. There are no fee for used games
        3. To Trade games with mates you must have them on your friends list for 30 days
        4. Each game can only given once but not a lot of information has been said about that at the current time so we don’t know if they mean only one activation at a time but they can deactivate it and then sell it on.

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  • http://twitter.com/iamnovatribe NOVA

    I know it’s popular to HATE Xbox One right now…………but this achievement stuff sounds SOOOOO HOT!!!!

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    • Shane Nokes

      Not all of us hate it.:)

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    • DARTH DINOBOT

      Agreed, it does sound epic.

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    • heyitsme

      I love the Xbox One, its the restrictions and not owning any games that irks me.

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      • deadbox102

        Don’t lock me out of my purchased content because I lose connection and I’ll switch my 3 PS4 pre-orders to X1’s today.

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      • Nick Peck

        If you drop connection your games will still work until that 24th hr, which 99.9% of the time, the connection will have been restored and you have nothing to worry about. Honestly, how bad of connections do you people have that you must worry about this?

        I have had my ISP for like 10 years and have had maybe 3 drops that never lasted more than a day. I have two XBO’s on preorder myself😀 Thought about possibly doing a ps4 but I’ll hold off until next holiday as they might actually have a game I care about by then (just not interested in anything they showed or talked about).

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      • deadbox102

        Come to my area and see how well the online requirement works for you.

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      • Nick Peck

        Do you have mobile hotspot on your phone? That works too!! Sucks to have crappy internet… so move!!! :p j/k. sorry though😦

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      • deadbox102

        It’s a hit or miss whether my phone gets a signal at my house.

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      • Nick Peck

        damn dude, you live in the sticks? I used awhile back and I remember only having sat internet (direcPC) and it used to cut out all the time!! Yah man that sucks and I feel for ya, I was there myself at one time.

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    • Liquidfx Xboxdude

      Achievement Unlocked: Good Little Lamb

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      • http://twitter.com/iamnovatribe NOVA

        LOL!!!! “if you dont think as i do….you suck” – Said Teh’ Internets

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    • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

      Personally i think having those time restricted challenges sounds a bit stress inducing. It’s like trying to get all of the online achievements for an EA game before they close the servers down except you’re going to get it with all games all of the time.

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  • Shane Nokes

    Scorp I can’t reply to you for some reason either…it looks like your account is not validated or something, but all attempts to reply fail, so I’ll post my reply to you here:

    You are asking a lot of questions in a row there.

    What restriction
    are you referring to? You can add whoever you want, but it’s only up to
    10 people. You still can’t give them the disc, but they can use the game
    from that shared library.

    The 1-hour time limit is referring to being offline, but only on another console that’s not yours.

    Where’s
    this story about Kinect kicking you off? Are you referring to that one
    patent that everyone keeps talking about and making up stories about?
    With that patent I’ve heard stories from it kicking you off, to
    Microsoft charging you for extra people being in the room…all bunk.

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    • Nick Peck

      Don’t bother, you can’t talk to irrational people. They don’t bother trying to understand anything and just stay on the rage/hate bandwagon. None of these policies will bother anyone, but they think it’s the end of the world.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Indeed.😦

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  • Arminator

    I’m a video game collector. I own over 16 stationary and portable consoles (classic and modern), and totaling over a thousand games across various systems (yes other collections might be bigger, but this one is MINE).

    Seeing how DRM protected stuff went in the past (for example the ironically named “Plays for Sure” DRM – please Bing or Google “DRM sucks redux: Microsoft to nuke MSN Music DRM keys” as I don’t want this post stuck in moderation for a direct link) or how the Live support for the Xbox 1 was ended in 2010; I want to know what happens to my Xbox One games in 10 or 20 years.

    I can still today plug my Pitfall II cartridge into my Atari 2600 for Old-School fun.

    I can still beat up enormous dudes on my Neo Geo.

    I can still carry Baby Mario on Yoshi’s back on my Super NES.
    Yes, I know about Emulators, but I LEGALLY own the game, and using an emulator would force me to illegally download the ROM-image, as I don’t own a copy device)

    Will I still be able to show my (grand-)kids how we used to describe “photorealistic graphics” in Forza 5, or show them the complete history of the Master Chief through the “ages”?

    Or will Microsoft eventually get bored keeping the 300.000 Xbox One servers up and running for a few old guys like me that still enjoy old consoles even if the Playstation 6 and Xbox NextOne is released?

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    • Shane Nokes

      I’ve explained this to a few folks here, but I’ll say it again.

      You don’t own any games. You own the discs and the cartridges, but the actual content is licensed to you. This is true, even back in the old days. You can even read some of the old manuals if you don’t believe me.

      You also don’t own any music. You own a disc that has music content that has been licensed to you.

      You don’t even own a movie. You have a license that grants you specific usage abilities.

      The license on those games however was handled differently because there was no simple way to enforce those licenses. You talk about not wanting to violate those specific licenses in your emulation discussion, in fact.

      So what’s so wrong in this day when copying is so easy, for them to want to also protect those licenses against those who aren’t as altruistic as you?

      Note I’m not saying you’re not entitled to how you feel. You are.

      I’m just saying aren’t they also entitled to make decisions that they feel are in their best interests as well?

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        All of that makes no difference. You view point on licensing doesn’t change the fact that the console won’t work without an internet connection. People don’t like that, it’s a shift away from how it has been for the last 30yrs. It isn’t progression for the consumer, it’s adding another layer of control.

        They’re going to drive consumers away and encourage piracy.

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      • Shane Nokes

        So which are they going to do? They can’t drive customers away and encourage piracy at the same time.

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        Surely someone who uses pirated software isn’t a customer? Yes they had to buy the console in the first place but after that MS and the publishers get nothing.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Then they didn’t drive anyone away. Microsoft sold the hardware and made their money, or they drove the person away.

        You can’t have it both ways.

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        Yes you can, how can you not understand that? MS will make very little on the console itself. They make most of their money on software sales.

        Someone who isn’t paying for their games isn’t a customer of MS.

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      • Shane Nokes

        I understand better than you do. You should look at my work history.😛

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        You clearly don’t mate and sticking your tongue out kinda shows me that.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Ok…sure…look at my resume on LinkedIn. Sorry, but you’re way out of your league here considering I’ve spent the last decade in the industry…but go ahead, argue with someone who knows.

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        Then you should know better.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Oh boy…around in circles we go. Work in the industry for a while, then come back and tell me how it works.

        I wouldn’t tell you that I know more about your job than you do. That would be foolish of me.

        My dad works in the aerospace industry. I don’t tell him how to build planes, since that would be ridiculous.

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        You don’t know what i do for a living mate so you’re presuming i know nothing.

        Please explain to me how MS makes money out of someone using pirated software after the initial sale of the console?

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      • Shane Nokes

        Now we’re just going in circles again. I’ve already said what I had to say. I won’t keep dancing in circles because you want me to. If you’re so smart, then you figure it out.😛

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      • Macy Slator

        “My dad works in the aerospace industry…” – really trying hard to validate yourself. Are you 10?

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      • Macy Slator

        Really doesn’t matter how long you’ve been in the industry. It’s not the years but experience that you gain. And by the way you’re responding, you may have been years in the industry but all those years, you’ve gain little experience.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Oh really? I’ll make sure to note that the next time I’m working on a killer project that my inexperience is totally there.

        Can I quote you on that since you seem to know all about me?:)

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      • Macy Slator

        Go ahead and quote me. All there is to know about you is all right here which is not a whole lot. I’m also working on killer gaming projects that I’m not able to speak of. I’m under an NDA. Plus my mom works with government intelligence and my dad designs formula racing cars. ;P

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      • Shane Nokes

        Actually you can check my LinkedIn, if you weren’t an obvious troll not actually wanting to engage in a real discussion.

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      • Macy Slator

        Discussion? my dad works for this…I work in the industry…I know everything to know about this and that….check my linked in…blah blah..very good discussion. :0 😛 =) xoXoxo… Linkedin don’t mean jack.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Sort of like how your parents telling you that they love you doesn’t mean jack right? You do know they lied right?

        They can’t love someone who abuses children.

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        OMG what on earth are you talking about? And you called me a troll, bizarre.

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      • Shane Nokes

        I warned her that if she didn’t stop trolling me that I would troll her until she went away. Don’t worry. I haven’t lost my mind.😉

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      • Nick Peck

        and on accessories. See my other comment to your original post. Your games will continue to work when the next system comes out, they already stated this in an interview the other day.

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      • Arminator

        Let me share a story with you, where a company actually drove a customer (me) away and encouraged piracy:

        I once owned an exotic Pioneer Slot-In DVD drive connected to a SCSI controller, because back then CD/DVD Burners were SCSI only (yes, that’s so long ago). Today I would have just bought a $15 DVD drive and be done with it. But back then I wouldn’t want to replace a $300 SCSI chain for just one game.

        I bought the original Thief III for my PC. For whatever reason, the game’s copy protection wouldn’t detect my game as an original disc in my drive.

        I contacted the publisher’s customer support (Eidos) who referred me to the support of the copy protection maker (I think SecuRom).

        They sent me a test program (the Windows calculator executable copy protected), and I should send them a log file back.

        Haven’t heard of them ever since, and I just downloaded a NoCD-crack for the game.

        So, yes, I was basically forced to become a pirate in order to be able to play a game I originally bought.

        And this is what irks me about that DRM mess: Pirates get their stuff in the most convenient way, while the real customers are forced to bend over backwards, and eventually get locked out of their purchase, just because.

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      • Arminator

        They can protect their licenses “against those who aren’t as altruistic as” me as much as they want, as long as I am still allowed to make use of the license I *bought* that *allowed* me to use the software in the first place in a way that I *expect* to work.

        And what I do *not* expect is, that at some point in time my games won’t work for the only reason that a company isn’t interested in paying for the license servers anymore.

        As long as I have the hardware in working and functioning order and didn’t violate the License agreement in any other way, I expect to be able to play the game I spent my hard earned money on.

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      • Macy Slator

        You don’t get it. The blurays, Music CDs, game cartridges, game discs you’re talking about, years from now you’ll still be able to play any of them at any time. The games you purchase for xbox one will only work during that console generation, only with an online connection, only if Live is still up and running. Yes, there are BIG differences between owning the “game” and “game disc”. that’s obvious, but you’re totally missing the point entirely.

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      • Nick Peck

        Wrong. Again, they stated that after this console generation, the games will continue to work even when you buy the next system. Phil Spencer said that in an interview the other day. MS is also supporting the 360 for another 5 years after the XBO launches. I wouldn’t worry about it.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Exactly…and like I said earlier…they will ignore you, because they don’t want to hear it.

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      • Macy Slator

        What if MS no longer has a gaming division? Live no longer works. How will games continue to work? Please explain.

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      • Shane Nokes

        You will? Blu-Rays have hardware encryption keys that can actually not work on hardware you already own…obsoleting that existing hardware. The reverse of that scenario is also true. They can update keys and block an existing key, preventing you from using that movie in future players.

        I’m not missing the point at all. I’ve worked in the industry for over a decade and know precisely what I’m talking about.

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      • Retroact1ve

        Shane is right. If ms wanted to they could later soft unlock the license check sys if they were to discontinue live. But that would take a moral company.

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      • Nick Peck

        Read my comment below, when the XBO is old and the new system comes out, the XBO games will continue to work.

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      • Shane Nokes

        He won’t listen…he this MS is all PRISM out to murder everyone secretly in their sleep.

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      • Macy Slator

        take one of the first blu rays ever made and play it with an new blu ray player today. is it still working? yes. I make blu-rays discs, I burn blu-rays and build blu ray players for a living. I know what I’m talking about.

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      • Shane Nokes

        You wanna play? Ok.

        Show me proof of your work. You can go right to my LinkedIn which as proof of mine.

        Either show me the proof of your work, or I will return the favor of you trolling by trolling you nonstop until you cant stand it.

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      • Macy Slator

        How does a linkedin file explain anything?! You say something and end it with “I have a linkedin profile” and “I’ve worked in the industry” and expect what you say to be word of law?! You’re full of yourself. Doesn’t matter. tell me, did you work on the team that developed the xbox one? no.

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      • Shane Nokes

        LinkedIn isn’t a file. It’s an industry website. My resume is on there, and you can see the people I am linked to as well as what networks I am linked to.

        Also since you’ve asked, yes I have worked on Xbox related projects. I worked on many of them from 2008 until 2012…and even did a brief bit of work this year on something that still hasn’t been announced. It is actually related to the Xbox One.

        That’s why I say to check that. If you spent time actually trying to be nice and not troll me I could have explained that.

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      • Macy Slator

        So you work for Microsoft? Damn that explains everything. I’m not even going to argue or try and change your mind. You’re paid to be on here and say all this? Aren’t you supposed to keep that a secret?

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      • Shane Nokes

        No I don’t work for Microsoft.

        I contract my services out to the tech industry in general. That way I get to work everywhere and get to work on some really cool projects.

        I’m not paid to be here at all. The last regularly paid gig with MS was a year and a half ago. I’ve been working on other projects since then, and did something very brief for a couple weeks related to the next gen stuff coming out.

        I just really hate when people troll and spread misinformation.

        So if you quit trolling me and start behaving I’ll quit trolling you. Fair deal?

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        I don’t believe you. Have you got some kind of resume i can check out?

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      • Shane Nokes

        Ok now you have to be kidding. I’ve already mentioned a million times (thanks to Macy) where you can find my resume.

        Note the resume on there is up to date as of April of last year. I haven’t bothered updating it much since then due to the nature of things I’ve been doing.

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        I’m an astronaut currently on the ISS and even from up here i can tell that Microsoft’s Xbone policies are awful.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Thought so. So were you also one of the abused as a child? I thought it was just Macy on here.

        Or are you one of the people that abuses your kids, but then gets outrages when someone suggests it? Is it a case of you abusing your daughter sexually…and really enjoying, but then pretending to hate pedophiles like yourself?

        Remember…you troll me and I’ve got all the time in the world to troll you in return.

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        Seriously dude there’s no need for all of the sexual abuse stuff. That’s quite nasty, keep that sh*t to yourself.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Hey I also gave you a fair warning. Don’t even attempt to troll me or I will push your buttons until you snap.

        I was polite to you and tried to chat with you. If you want to even try to push my buttons I will come back 10 times harder. Understood?

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        You’ve not pushed any of my buttons mate, i just think it’s a bit crass and not needed. It isn’t a competition. If it was you’d lose.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Then stop trying to pretend you have a huge e-wang that no one cares about with your attempts to troll me. Fair enough?

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      • Macy Slator

        nice.

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      • Macy Slator

        Direct link please….

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      • Shane Nokes

        www dot linkedin dot com/profile/view?id=30728258

        That’s as direct as it can get due to how the blog here parses links.

        So mind backing down now?

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        lol

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      • Bush O Connor

        shane man are you on the MS payroll? you couldnt be here this long listening to all the pissed off gamers while trying to defend this DRM on your own free time.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Oh you people piss off with your conspiracy theories. Seriously accusing me of that is getting so old.

        To answer you no…and if you ask that again, I won’t be as polite.

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      • Bush O Connor

        no man im asking a question, my head would have exploded by now lol

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      • Shane Nokes

        In that case then I apologize. I’ve just been accused of that a few times tonight. No I’m not working for anyone lol.

        I really am just on here because I have insomnia and nothing else better to do at the moment.

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      • Nick Peck

        lol😀

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      • Bush O Connor

        ah sure that explains it, just buy the ONE and be happy with your purchase so:)

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      • Nick Peck

        I agree, enjoy whatever you decide to purchase. We are here to enjoy video games and they come on many different platforms.

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      • Shane Nokes

        I actually have a PS4 and Xbox One on pre-order.:)

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      • Macy Slator

        Don’t mind Shane. He must of taken some online EA survey back in the day, so now he feels he’s been working in the industry for decades and knows everything about xbox one and their policies. He usually ends his argument by asking you to check his Linkedin profile for proof. cool guy though.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Don’t mind Macy. She lost her mind after the abuse she suffered as a child. She likes to stalk me because she thinks it makes her important. She needs approval, like the kind her daddy never gave her.

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      • Macy Slator

        Let it out shane. I can see you feeling better. Again, breathe…1…2……

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      • Shane Nokes

        So is that breathing technique helping with your inbred pregnancy?

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      • Macy Slator

        Ha! damn. hilarious!! upvote!

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      • Liquidfx Xboxdude

        lol you are a goob. no better way to put it. if m$ isn’t paying you then you a are very sad lonely person.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Says the troll

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      • Nick Peck

        Probably not, but there are people like me that are annoyed at other peoples stupidity. Instead of finding out the definitive answer, people keep spreading misinformation and continue on the hate bandwagon for no reason.

        I have read everything I can and have no issue pointing out if people are wrong. Not saying I’m always right, but I hate stupidity and it’s running rampant. I wish I worked for MS lol!

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      • Shane Nokes

        This, exactly this.

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        The problem you have there is that the people who are on the other side of the argument to you think exactly the same thing.

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      • heyitsme

        I agree they should drop the check in requirements and also the always online and let us own the physical (game) disc in their best interests!

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      • Doc

        That’s so completely and inherently wrong. You need to read up on the doctrine of “First Sale”. You’re talking “ownership” of the copyright on the content. You may not own the copyright on the material but you do, most certainly, OWN the CD. The CD is yours. If you were “sold” the CD, in a transaction, involving money, the CD is yours. No licensing involved, as you’ve incorrectly pointed out.

        You own your games, in every sense, up to the point that you try to duplicate them for profit or gain. That’s where the copyright laws kick in.

        You own your CDs, your movies, your books. You even own your iTunes music (due to the way Apples EULA is written).

        You seriously need to read up on consumer rights and copyright law. Google “First Sale Doctrine”. Here, I did it for you…

        “The first-sale doctrine creates a basic exception to the copyright
        holder’s distribution right. Once the work is lawfully sold or even
        transferred gratuitously, the copyright owner’s interest in the material
        object in which the copyrighted work is embodied is exhausted. The
        owner of the material object can then dispose of it as he sees fit.
        Thus, one who buys a copy of a book is entitled to resell it, rent it,
        give it away, or destroy it. However, the owner of the copy of the book
        will not be able to make new copies of the book because the first-sale doctrine does not limit copyright owner’s reproduction right. The rationale of the doctrine is to prevent the copyright owner from
        restraining the free alienability of goods.”

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      • Shane Nokes

        First sale doctrine does not apply to these situations.

        Please don’t use wikipedia. Read the actual law, including all revisions. Wikipedia is not your friend.

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      • Doc

        First sale doctrine applies to EVERY situation you mentioned above. And wikipedia is directly quoting the Copyright Act of 1974.

        Every single copy of a copyrighted material you buy is yours, except in instances of rental or licensing. The LICENSE I have for running my printer software at work specifically states that it expires, and renewing it is part of my agreement with it’s provider.

        A game, CD, book, or movie doesn’t fall into that scenario. At all.

        No one has ever had to enter into a licensing agreement to buy a CD from a store. So, you using that, and games, and movies, as an example is completely and patently false.

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    • Macy Slator

      You said it brother! Though the idea of these achievements and challenges may sound amazing to some now. With how much support MS has for advertisers and their business partners and little to none for the consumer. The way achievements work now opens new doors for advertisers to create challenges/tasks for the consumer. Not saying whether that’s good or bad, but expect to watch a 2 min Doritos commercial for 5G or send this commercial to 5 friends to get 2G. What an exciting future.

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      • Shane Nokes

        You say they sound amazing, but then deride scenarios they already have said don’t exist.

        What’s amazing is that you even bothered to lie about knowing what was said in the story…no wait…nevermind that’s not amazing either…it’s typical.

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      • Macy Slator

        you’ve got to learn how to read. I’ve never said anything about them being amazing. But I’ve worked in the industry, check my linkedin. I know what I’m talking about. Please also check my youtube and twitter. I’ll give you my mom’s work reference if you don’t believe me. Hell, I’ll even give you my friend’s brother’s sister’s auntie’s resume.

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      • Shane Nokes

        That would be hard. Aren’t they all in prison for molesting you, which is why you’re so bitter and angry?

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        No need for that mate.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Hey I warned her on multiple occasions that I would troll her to the point of her giving up if she didn’t stop trolling me.

        I gave her a complete and fair warning…she told me to go ahead.

        So this is on her. She can stop trolling me anytime she wants.

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        So suggesting that her parents molested her is acceptable behaviour?

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      • Shane Nokes

        Trolling is never acceptable…and that’s the point. You take a troll and troll them to the point that even they get disgusted. It usually breaks them of the habit pretty quickly.

        It’s called anti-trolling.

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      • Bush O Connor

        i think the americans are awake now jaffa eh:)

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      • Macy Slator

        you have a linkedin, been in the industry for decades, worked with microsoft and many fortune 500 companies and you tell people they’re parents are in prison for molestation? Are you sure there’s no sort of subconscious that I’m slowly bringing out of you? man if I offended, I’m sorry. I really think there’s bigger issues here than xbox policies. damn.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Hey I warned you that if you trolled me I would troll you back. So don’t play innocent.

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      • Macy Slator

        somebody’s innocence was taken. there’s help for it man. for real. My grandfather’s a psychiatrist, I can have you call him.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Hey I can’t help that your grandfather also helped take your innocence. Sorry to hear that…but I also don’t want him anywhere near me.

        If you like old guys like that (understandable given the abuse they’ve put you through) then go ahead. I don’t roll that way.

        I just wish your mom had done more to help rather than just watch with that blank vacant stare due to all the booze she had to drink to numb herself.

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      • Macy Slator

        If the only way to open about your problems is by placing me as the victim, please do so. That’s one of those defense mechanisms, it’s pretty common. Don’t hold any of that in. It’s not good for you. Breathe….breathe..

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      • Shane Nokes

        Hey just because your family liked to diddle you from infancy on isn’t my problem. I don’t know why you’re projecting it onto me by trying to mock me.

        There is help out there for people like you that have tried to repress those painful memories. Why do you take it out on others?

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      • Macy Slator

        From our recent conversations on here, it’s very difficult for me to even think of you working for/in the gaming/tech industry. Please I need to know how old are you? I know by this time of year, school’s out in the States. Really. But Shane, honest advice for you. I mean it. Don’t feed the trolls. Ignore me and I’ll go away. You make such a fun and easy target. I had a good laugh man. F’ckin made my day. You went so far as to talk about pedo’s, sxl abuse and prison. CRAZY!!. I’m just dying from laughing. I’m still against xbox’s policies though.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Macy you’d be surprised at all the colorful personalities in the industry.

        To be honest I’ve had insomnia and needed a laugh as well. 32 by the way. Birthday was almost a month ago.

        Normally I do ignore the trolls, or just respond to them in a much more mellow way.

        I was really bored and decided to just go for it with a bit of fun.

        Thanks for actually taking it in stride, and giving it back as much as you were getting. I can respect you for that.:)

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      • Macy Slator

        respect! cheers.

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    • Nick Peck

      Phil Spencer just stated the other day that when the day comes to upgrade to the next system, that you will be able to play all of your Xbox One content. When a digital service ends, they unlock stuff via activation keys so that it will just continue working on the system. Many digital download companies did this just before they go teets up so that you can continue playing what you purchased.

      everything you ever bought and continue to buy is tied to your account and you will have access to it on the platform you purchased it on. They even stated they will continue supporting the 360 for another 5 years so I wouldn’t worry about it. I’d love to see people these days, how would you react if you have 100 cassette tapes and wanted to move to the new CD generation!!! People are so spoiled these days it’s sickening.

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      • Shane Nokes

        Shhh…they don’t want the truth.

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      • Nick Peck

        Trust me, I know. Most people don’t care to notice that sony announced that they too, will have the same used game policy as MS. The ability to block games is on the ps4 as well, but just like MS, it’s up to the devs/publishers to use it.

        Sooo now that sony is doing it, it should be ok lol. Just like how paying for psn+ is now OK for the ps4, but it has always been “ridiculous” that MS has always charged for Live. Gotta love the double standards.

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        Actually Sony are using the same system as there is now.

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      • Shane Nokes

        For first-party titles. They’ve said DRM on other titles is up to the publishers.

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        Yes, which will be the same as it is now. You’re in the business mate you should know that. 10 years, 10 years!

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      • Shane Nokes

        LOL. Ok…think what you want man. You’re just trolling at this point now.

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        I’m not trolling mate. I’m an angry Xbox fan that has been reluctantly pushed over to Sony after 10 years because of a ridiculous forced Kinect and DRM policy.

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      • Shane Nokes

        …and I’ve tried to talk to you seriously about that policy and you keep trying to take the piss.

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      • dragonflyr

        it’s just too many restrictions. too many. complicated policies as well. it’s just too much for some people. true, sony will allow, like they do NOW, publishers to put drm in a game. but in every other way sony has simplified and released the reigns a bit. region free, no FORCED online checkin, no FORCED peripherals. people have to see that MS has to relax a bit. they’ve just simply gone too far.

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      • Dylan

        Did you know…it is the same on Xbox 360?

        Yep.

        On Xbox One the DRM is system wide, so there is no choice for devs. No choice for the consumer.

        Even worse, Xbox One put the system in place to make it easy.

        On PS4, Publishers would have to set up authentication servers and that costs money!

        Anyway, the PS4 policy is the same as PS3/360. They’re allowed to put online passes and the like. And you acting like it is the same is just remarkably inaccurate.

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      • dragonflyr

        sorry .. but it’s not even remotely the same policies.

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      • Dylan

        Nope. Sony is using the same system that is on the Xbox 360.

        Publishers can add online passes and the like.

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        You just don’t get it mate. The cassette and CD thing is irrelevant. I don’t remember there being an issue with people complaining about CD’s coming out. It certainly didn’t bother me.

        What i find sickening is people rushing to give away freedoms and rights so easily.

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      • Arminator

        Well, then read the “Plays for Sure” Article I mentioned above. Yes, Microsofts MSN Music service went belly up as they started Zune, and they sent activation keys out.

        The trouble was, that this activation key would only work on the PC/device you downloaded it on, and wouldn’t work if you upgraded your OS. So basically, if you wanted to keep listening to the songs you bought back then on your Windows 95 machine, you MUST NOT upgrade your PC for the rest of your life or lose your music. Despite having gotten the activation key.

        The only solution would be to burn the music to CD, and re-rip it again as non DRM’d MP3s or whatever you preferred.

        And I really am from the age where I still have a lot of cassette tapes, that still work nice on my tape deck below my CD player. The same is true for my MiniDisc cartridges.

        Don’t get me wrong: Progress is a great thing. But as great as the ideas behind the Xbox One are, the way these ideas are carried out are NOT “consumer centric”.

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