Xbox One Achievements

Today we talked about some of the changes to the new achievements system coming with Xbox One.  We just got done hearing from Chad Gibson, Principle Group Program manager for Xbox Live Gaming features and Mike Lavin,  Sr. Global Product Marketing manager for Xbox Live on our live broadcast.   This morning, we asked Cierra McDonald to explain some of the achievement changes in greater detail for us.  Here is what she wrote for you guys

Ahoy! My name is Cierra McDonald. I’m from Chicago, I’m an Illini (I-L-L!!!), and most pertinently, I’m the Program Manager for the Xbox Live Achievements service. My love of gaming started as a wee child, playing Super Mario Bros. at home and joining friends on Altered Beast and Contra at the local arcade. My family’s team sport is Boggle. And apropos of nothing, I once shattered my elbow – or as my surgeon once put it, it’s like Humpty Dumpty fell onto a diamond surface. Fun facts!

Achievements are like a delicious gravy (or a fudge sauce, for the more dessert-minded) on top of a developer’s tasty meal of a game. Playing the game is fun by itself; and achievements add an extra layer of discovery, exploration, and accomplishment that reinforces the natural enjoyment of the gameplay. For Xbox One, my team (an incredible group of smart, hardworking folks) and I have rebuilt the Achievements system to be more powerful and more flexible so that developers and publishers can deliver more interesting, complex, and fulfilling goals and rewards to you. What exactly does that mean?

Let’s start with what you get.

Xbox blazed the trail back in 2005 by introducing Xbox Live Achievements as a metagame whose cumulative score – Gamerscore – spans across games on every Xbox Live platform. Many of today’s gaming systems followed our model and now offer achievements or badges as well. With Xbox One, we are once again breaking the mold and this time, we want consumers to reap more tangible benefits. In addition to Gamerscore, which will remain as a critical part of the Xbox gaming experience (and yes, your Gamerscore from Xbox 360 will carry forward to Xbox One – there’s only ONE Gamerscore (see what I did there?)), consumers can now unlock digital artwork, new maps, unlockable characters, and temporary stat boosts via achievements. And this is not limited to games! Other Xbox One applications such as video and music apps can now use Achievements to bring you awesome sneak peek content, early access, or subscription extensions. Only games will give you Gamerscore.

Cool, you can earn cool stuff with Xbox LIVE Achievements. Let’s talk about how they work.

There are now two types of Achievements: achievements and challenges. An achievement is probably already familiar. There’s a goal or activity you must accomplish and a reward that you receive upon completion. You can unlock an achievement at any time, be it on a game’s launch day or 3 years later. I guess you can say an achievement is like a promise in that sense. A challenge, on the other hand, is more like an opportunity – better grab it while you can! It is also comprised of a goal and a reward; however, challenges are time-bound (as in, real life time). That means you can only unlock during its eligible time window, and if you get close but don’t complete the goal when it ends… *Kanye shrug*

Achievements and challenges are both officially considered Xbox Live Achievements, so they inherit many of the same benefits:

  • You can unlock them and win their rewards;
  • Once unlocked, they are saved to your achievement history;
  • They each have an icon to visualize the cool thing you did;
  • They often are associated with a Game DVR capture to show your friends that you are better than they are
  • Developers can release more of them after the game’s initial release (more on that in a bit).

There are also some notable differences between them:

Challenges are time based. As just noted, challenges are only available for a certain period of time. Only your activity during that timeframe will count toward unlocking the challenge. Achievements do not expire, so you can unlock them at your leisure.

Challenges do not give out Gamerscore. We want everyone to have the same shot at increasing their Gamerscore to its highest potential. Since challenges are intentionally temporary (an opportunity) and achievements never expire (a promise), only achievements may offer Gamerscore as a reward.

Challenges may cross titles, but achievements cannot. Achievements cannot be shared across titles whereas challenges are allowed to span multiple titles.

Challenges can be unlocked by the community. Community challenges are typically goals that exceed what a lone player can accomplish in the given period of time. Imagine, for example, a game releases a headshot weekend challenge that requires players to cumulatively headshot 1 million baddies in a 3 day period. And every person who participates and meets the challenge’s goals gets the unlock on his or her achievement history and reaps its reward.

Another really cool thing with the new Achievements system is that it’s cloud-powered. A magical term, I know, but it delivers real value to users. Check it out:

Having cloud-powered achievements makes it easy and consistent to run challenges across all players of a game simultaneously.

It makes it possible for developers to add new achievements and challenges after their game is initially released. Why is that good for you?

1) It means you can get new achievements without always being required to buy new content (read: free!) or download title updates.

2) It allows developers to learn from and respond to user activity and focus on adding stuff that you’ll find fun. For example, let’s say a certain game is known on community forums to have a fun little sub-game of kicking chickens. Wouldn’t it be amazing if the game developers noticed the community enjoying an unintended aspect of the game and creating a challenge around it, with a reward to boot?

3) It empowers developers to involve the community (that means YOU) in the achievement creation process. If they so choose, a developer could run a contest for users to submit and vote on challenge ideas, for example, with the winning idea being released to the public as a legitimate Xbox Live Achievement. Not too shabby!

Let’s bring it all home and talk about what you actually see.

  • The Xbox One dashboard experience greatly improves how you discover and view Xbox Live Achievements.
  • Ever wondered how far along you were toward completing an achievement, particularly those that involve a lot of collection or linear progress? With Xbox One, games may now expose your latest progression toward unlocking an achievement right on the dashboard, even before you launch the game.
  • Quickly catch up on what your friends have been up with the achievement activity feed that keeps you informed about your friends’ latest unlocked achievements.
  • Check out video clips of that magical moment when an achievement was unlocked.
  • Easily discover upcoming challenges for a game at any time.
  • Your achievement history has been transformed into a more beautiful gallery of achievement icons that properly show off your hard-earned victories.

You guys all rock, thanks from all of us here on our dev team.  Can’t wait to see you on Live!

   

Comments

  • EighteenCharacters

    Good post. For me, it came down to the overall vision that Microsoft has in mind. I’ve said it before, and it’s worth repeating: The Netflix On-Demand and iTunes model is a good model for gaming, and that’s where Microsoft is trying to take the Xbox One. Those 300,000 servers will be put to good use (not to mention their use as dedicated servers for multiplayer — the P2P system is too flawed to justify keeping).

    DRM… Well, that’s the world we live in now. Just as copyright laws are necessary for books, DRM is necessary for digital content. eBooks are a good example of that change from copyrights to DRM. You used to be able to loan a book to a friend, but eBooks are containing the loss of profits that authors are seeing from the loan/trade practice. And good for them. The more money they make, the more they’ll write. The more they write, the more options we’ll have with our book purchases.

    Same goes for game developers. They were losing too much money from the GameStop trade-in practice. Why should a third-party that’s completely uninvolved in the development process make such large profits from someone else’s hard work? GameStop exploited a flaw that Microsoft seems intent on fixing.

    Plus, I’m particularly interested in the “free-to-play” system that seems to be making its way to the Xbox One. Just as iTunes allows me to buy specific songs rather than entire albums (and save money doing it), free-to-play will allow me to save money by breaking games into specific parts. For example, I only use a few weapons and perks in Black Ops II. I’ve never used shotguns, sniper rifles, or light machine guns. But I’ve paid for them all. Free-to-play will make that a thing of the past.

    Sony seems to want to remain in the past. But they won’t be able to compete when what I described becomes the norm. I’m sticking with the Xbox because I see a bright future in it. Sony might win the day, but Microsoft will win the war.

    The bottom line, though, is that both systems sound like a lot of fun. You can’t really go wrong in that regard. I’m just looking down the road, and I think Microsoft is, too.

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  • deadbox102

    My god, I just spoke to a guy who is contemplating pre-ordering the X1 Day One Edition because it has an achievement.

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    • Retroact1ve

      Is it wrong that I’m laughing my a$$ off right now. There are achievements for watching ads I heard as well… Mass marketing and deception in a box

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  • Retroact1ve

    Still patiently waiting for a legitimate response to this:
    I’m not looking for stories to tell. I’m looking for a justifiable reason it’s mandatory to leave it plugged in, with games that don’t use it, and for users who don’t use it? Now you tell me that story and ill be interested.

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    • MotherNelson

      to Shane? LOL he’s too afraid to reply to that. Did you not see how badly we Pwned him?

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      • Nick Peck

        Wow, using “pwned” shows how old you are… I would say go back to school but it’s summer break😦

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      • MotherNelson

        “Pwned” is a really old term. I hope it shows that i’m 24…..because i’m 24. I’d gauge “Pwned” at: at least 10 years old.

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      • Nick Peck

        I know “what it means”, but it’s obvious who uses it is all I’m saying because, well, no one uses it anymore😀 Never understood why “owned” was so hard to spell correctly. Love dat interwebz speek.

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      • MotherNelson

        same could be said about “dat interwebz speek” when you could have said “that internet slang/lingo/language” so congrats, on top of being a blind sheeple, you’re also a hypocrite.😀

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      • Nick Peck

        Nope, just making fun of a moron😀

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      • MotherNelson

        well since we’re name calling, I think I’d rather call you SHANE. Using an alternate account now? Oh man. i’m so done with you. haha.

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      • Pete Osborne

        You can’t say no one uses it anymore then suggest they’re young…using out of date slang implies they’re older. Besides if the only way you can have a debate is to attack the words they use then it’s clear you never had an argument in the first place…

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      • Retroact1ve

        Mandatory kinect while not in use? Go! Explain I’m eagerly awaiting a legitimate reason.

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      • Sephron

        Simple… They chose to make the Kinect an essential and integrated part of the system to make it a more consistent part of the XBox. Reason being, it let’s game creators build upon that knowing every Xbone will have a Kinect sensor installed. It’s all about consistency for the developers bro.

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      • Retroact1ve

        Ahanahaha that’s complete and utter bs ms spin machine at work on that excuse. Where the hell did you come up with that?

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      • Sephron

        Haha! It’s far from utter bs ms spin. I know you are going to do whatever possible to refute any answer you are given, so I will leave you with this as I am not going to spoon feed you. The answer above is one of the main reasons ( a consistent experience). There are other reasons the Kinect is included, such as, controlling the xbone with voice and integrated Skype for instance. I am not siding with one system over the other as I have pre-ordered both. I am just giving you a reason why it is there and included in the package. Take what you will from it.

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      • Guest

        HEY! Shane’s back!😀 again!

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      • Sephron

        You Sony crusaders are insane! Sorry to disappoint bro, my name is far from Shane. Did I just not say that I wasn’t siding with one system over the other. All I was doing is answering a question that Retro wanted a legitimate answer for. I know! I know! If the answer wasn’t what you wanted it to be they must be a paid MS employee or this Shane person. The mentality of the internet at its best.

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      • Retroact1ve

        System? Im talking about more than just systems. Im talking about consumer rights and privacy here. These so called BS patents shane mentioned earlier. 2 of them involve kinect using facial recognition and speech pattern analysis to conclude your emotional state. That information is then used to target ads to you. For instance it concludes you are feeling upset, sad or whatever based on your facial expression and stress in your voice and voila next thing you know you are watching weight watcher ads. Would you not feel violated in this manner, or is that perfectly acceptable to you?

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      • Sephron

        First off, you did not state that you were not talking about the privacy and consumer rights. You just said you wanted a legit answer so I gave one. As for kinect tailoring ads, some people will be bothered by that and others wont. I have mixed feelings about it and it really depends on the extent it is used. As for the patents, I would like links so that I can read up on them a bit more to make my own assessment. I do not just blindly believe everything I read on the net. Not saying there is no truth to these patents. I just want to know if the truth is stretched a bit more than what they really entail. They say that the xbox will have systems in place to turn the Kinect off in the menu, I am sure people will be testing that software off switch to make sure they are true to what they say when it is released. Until then I will wait and see how much of an issue it really is.

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      • MotherNelson

        I agree, yet I disagree. MS could INCLUDE Kinect without making it MANDATORY that it has to be kinected. Developers would still know that it’s “there” and we could choose to buy games that “require kinect” and ones that don’t.

        also, that’s a bad idea in general… What about paralyzed gamers that cant FLAIL about, like an idiot. I know paralyzed people that (have control of their hands, yes) play xbox 360 and are VERY good at it.. I also know mute/deaf people that CANNOT use kinects voice features… they just want to play the game… : / why can’t they just play? hmm? Think of the children. :<

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      • Macy Slator

        That doesn’t make ANY SENSE…like I said earlier…It’s already coming in the package
        with the xbox one, so developers know that everyone who’s purchased an
        xbox one has a kinect, connected or not. It doesn’t need to be attached
        and on all the time for developers to realize that. Hey if the user plugs it in they’ll get the full experience, if not, they won’t. How difficult is that? Plus, you sound like PR.

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      • MotherNelson

        RIGHT?! LOL

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      • Sephron

        I was not saying they are right or wrong on the mandatory plugin. I was just stating a reason it is there. Once again a consistent experience. It makes perfect sense… If some have the kinect plugged in and some do not, does that show any sort of consistency? You are the one not making any sense. I am not arguing for or against what MS has chosen to do with Kinect. I was simply giving an answer why they chose what they did. (Once again CONSISTENCY across all consoles) I know this is a worthless endeavor for me. Once again anyone not consuming anything you spout is PR. Bravo on the originality!

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      • Macy Slator

        if you want to talk about Consistency across all consoles, then why not make LIVE mandatory as well. Consistency right?? Total PR.

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      • Sephron

        That’s irrelevant to the purpose of Kinect and what the original question was about. Now you are just grasping at straws.

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      • jordanariel

        you mean like PS+ is mandatory for multiplayer games?

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    • Nick Peck

      Who the hell doesn’t use the internet? My 360 has been plugged in EVERY minute of EVERY day I have owned it as with any other device I have that uses the internet. Do you honestly unplug devices every day?

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      • MotherNelson

        I don’t use it because 1) my internet sucks. 2) I have friends, so I don’t need to online game, and 3) I move my 360 around in my house because said friends tend to come over at random times. your point is invalid. move along.

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      • Nick Peck

        Invalid to you maybe, but not the rest of us normal people. Hell I have 4 360’s and they are always plugged in because I do use the internet constantly. Even if I only had one, I wouldn’t be moving it.

        It’s fine how you want to use it, I don’t care, but the internet for MOST people isn’t “invalid”. Hell my internet usage is way to much due to streaming lol. Oh well.

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      • MotherNelson

        that’s fine for YOUR household. not everyone does as YOU DO. There are people that move around, or travel, or have lives. So being tied down to a 24/7 connection isn’t an OPTION for THOSE PEOPLE. which is why MS should listen to the MASS MAJORITY of it’s most LOYAL FANS and make it OPTIONAL so that people can enjoy it they way that THEY see fit.

        Edit: I find it a little too convenient that you pop up out of nowhere just as soon as shane leaves. Welcome back Shane. or should I say…SHANE-EEQUA.

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      • Nick Peck

        So the MASS MAJORITY of MS’s fans move around constantly with no internet? Oh ok, I didn’t see that studies results lol. Guess what, if they don’t change it, buy a ps4 and leave, it’s very simple. Sure I think the check in is a tad stupid, but I honestly do not care as it doesn’t bother me at all.

        I never said what I do is what everyone does, but I love how a few loud mouths think their way is how it is, which isn’t right either. You and Retro need to go preorder a ps4 right now and join their forums and annoy those people😀 Simple solution.

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        Just because i’m getting a PS4 doesn’t mean i’m getting rid of my 360.

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      • Retroact1ve

        I’m talking about mandatory kinect even if the only games you play do not use it. No one can give a reasonable explanation.

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      • MotherNelson

        you completely missed my point. the MASS MAJORITY of xbox fans don’t move around….. the MASS MAJORITY of xbox fans DO NOT WANT 24 hour checkins or Kinect or used game DRM… Looks at MS’s website, their facebook. Only about 80,000 people in the US even give two $hit$ about buying one. THATS a low, LOW number. It’s even LESS in the UK/Europe because of the price.

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      • jordanariel

        lovely ad hominem. Comment on what he is saying, as opposed to thinking that everyone is a paid microsoft employee. If i didnt understand the anger of the vast gaming community, i could easily accuse you and many others as being paid by Sony. (though you probably arent)

        You’ll probably accuse me of being one also. I’m not. I wish i was, but still not. They dont really do much out of philly.

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        If you and your opinions are what’s classed as normal then i don’t want to be normal either.

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      • Nick Peck

        Us normal people don’t want you to be normal, thank go you aren’t!

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        Yes. thank go.

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      • Andy Wilding

        Retroactive was talking about kinect, not internet being mandatory but oh well. anyway, sure you may connect your box to live every day, thats not the issue, the issue is with a device that you have paid good money for, and also paid good money for games that if you get in a situation where you cannot connect or live goes down then you cannot use your device for the main purpose you bought it for.

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      • Macy Slator

        Nick..Nick…you are missing the point entirely. Yes your 360 is plugged in 24/7, but even if it was unplugged from the internet for days, years, you wouldn’t be able to use anything that requires an internet connection, but you can STILL PLAY YOUR GAMES. That’s not the case with the xbox one.

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    • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

      I want to know why it has to be plugged in when it’s not in use either. It makes no sense. They know why so why aren’t they telling us? Even if they reversed the DRM issue i still wouldn’t buy one because of the mandatory Kinect.

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  • Telltales

    Microsoft says we will vote with our wallets in a response to all the backlash. I think that’s pretty obvious. Many have moved to the Playstation 4 because of the restrictions. So yes, looks like we’ll be voting with our wallets all right. Buying the PS4 instead of the Xbox One. Glad Microsoft is so wise to tell us to vote with our wallets.

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    • MotherNelson

      and we couldn’t be happier doing so… It’s $100 dollars cheaper. that’s enough for TWO new games or TWO years of PSN+ or whatever the flip it’s called.

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    • Tenshow

      I’m selling everything xbox360 I’ve got ATM… so he can rest assured we’ll vote with our wallets.

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    • deadbox102

      That’s fine MS, but once my house fills up with PS4’s you can be certain there will no room for a X1.

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  • trickbfc1988

    I cant believe people are getting the ps4 I mean come on the games on that console are terrible, the psn service is terrible also. Making a decision this early is stupid you guys need to wait until microsoft explains everything so everyone is clear. My feelings at the moment are simple I will never ever buy a ps4 even if the xbox one somehow makes me think I wont buy it because if it does I will just stick to xbox 360 its that simple.

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    • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

      How can you say the games and PSN service on the PS4 are terrible when it hasn’t been released yet?

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      • ElektroDragon

        Fanboys, that’s how.

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      • MotherNelson

        Sony’s history. That’s how. lol. Their games just don’t appeal to me. never have, never will.

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    • Tenshow

      I’m going back to Steam.
      By the way, Microsoft has already explained it’s policies in detail. Read Nelson’s earlier articles and you’ll see.

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    • MotherNelson

      I agree. Ive always hated sony. I’m a diehard sega/xbox fan… this is disheartening. However, MS has already $hat on us. no sense in calling it chocolate, now.

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      • jeffyg3

        Same here. Xbox/Sega fan. Never thought I would would get the PS4 until I read the idiotic moves by Microsoft. Sadly, I think I’ve pretty much switched to the dark side until Microsoft says they’ve made a mistake and removing the stupid 24 hour check and other things. Hopefully before launch, cause if I get the PS4, there’s no going back to Xbox. Microsoft’s bad decisions have pushed many away…really sad.

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      • MotherNelson

        Ditto. I know I seem smug and happy about it here, but that’s just the depression and my “subconscious need” to justify my own actions. : / the truth is i’m hurt. I’m cut to the core about this. I FEEL like sitting out of the next gen altogether, but why should I when sony is offering me… ugh… I don’t even want to finish that sentence. It feels like my best friend just stole my puppy, killed it, and told me to “deal with it”

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      • Sascha Ookami

        Thats exactly what Im thinking and feeling ;( I want to play Halo 5, Gears 4, Dead Rising 3, maybe Titenfall, but MS said to me NO, first of all you need to sacrifice your soul to us.. and Kinect is watching, so cant lie to MS😦 Sony just says hey you can play some other games on our console, without sacrificing anything.. well I hope the Killzone MP is as good as the old Halo 3 MP was/is.

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      • MotherNelson

        I feel your pain 1000%, friend.

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      • Sascha Ookami

        thanks buddy, wish MS employees would too ;(

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      • Retroact1ve

        You can play titanfall, the same way I am going to… on the PC! =-)

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      • Morgon Britton

        I’ll just get it on my 360. Way better than the One anyway.

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      • Telltales

        If the new Killzone’s multiplayer is just like their previous game, then you’ll be disappointed. Got bored of it within a couple weeks. The single player was entertaining, but way overrated. Nowhere near the Goodness of the single player campaigns in the Halo franchise

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      • Sascha Ookami

        So its like CoD with SciFi weapons? cus thats what I always thought, Halo is IMO the best MP FPS (with UT04, Quake3 :D) So on PS4 I never play online again😦 Or is there any game which is nearly as good as gears/halo?

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      • trickbfc1988

        Sega haha I remember those days and yeah im in the same boat as you I will never buy a sony product again.

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      • MotherNelson

        for people like us that just cannot deal with sony, my advice is to wait till 2014. Either the WiiU will Excel or Die…or by that time, the sony may actually be worth buying who knows… But as it stands, it looks like we’re stuck with 360 and it’s lackluster “last few” titles before it’s death : / it’ll be a tough year, but it’ll be interesting to see how it all turns out.

        on a side note.. I plan on taking the money that I was going to spend on the new xbox, and invest in 100’s of new dreamcast/Saturn/xbox1 games that I’ve missed out on over the years. I might even buy my mom’s Atari from her -__-

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      • Berserk Rage

        Same here … I never bought any of Sony consoles .. but that doesn’t mean that i will get Xbox One .. i will wait and see, i have a huge collection for Dreamcast, Sega Saturn, Xbox 1 and Xbox 360 .. so I’ll skip all this generation of consoles if nothing happen …

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    • deadbox102

      I’m a diehard Xbox fan. It’s the only brand I have purchased since my Genesis days. However, when they start locking me me out of content on my hard drive that I have purchased, that’s it. I’ve been through enough with this company (RRD).

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      • trickbfc1988

        I can understand where you are coming from end of the day if you buy a game you should be able to do what you want with it and not have any restrictions. Microsoft sort it out

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      • montysan

        I agree, and my main issue is that every new feature they’ve talked about can work with offline lasting more than 24 hours. There must be another reason that hasn’t been talked about or explained properly that requires this restriction. Downloads on the 360 can be used on the machine it’s associated with offline indefinitely, and you can use it on other systems if you’re online, so why can’t the Xbox One do the same. Arrr, but the family can also use your games on the One…. well, require them to be online so Microsoft can check that they’re allowed to play the game. What else is there to it?
        Disc bases games are basically just a download with a prepaid card, so they should be the same as a normal download, and so also shouldn’t require a 24 hour limit. At the very least, they could make you put in the disc, although I don’t think that should be needed, as the prepaid code that came with it should be tied to your machine.

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    • Andy Wilding

      You cannot judge the ps4’s psn on the ps3’s with ps4 you will pay to get online like with live so the service will be improved.

      I dont care if they explain it, they need to get rid, they have already turned me away with their arrogance and greed.

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  • イサム オミナエ

    “If you were planning on preordering an Xbox One console, you’d be well advised to do yourself a favor and make sure you live in one of these 21 nations:

    Australia, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Mexico, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Russia, Spain, Sweden
    Switzerland, United Kingdom, United States.

    Why? Because it is in those nations, and those nations only (unless Microsoft changes its mind between now and then) that the Xbox One will be supported through Xbox Live at launch. And since the Xbox One requires online game activation and a daily connection to the central scrutinizer, which I assume must take place via Xbox Live, the unavoidable conclusion is that the console just won’t work outside of those countries.”

    Amazing job m$

    Bad news everyday, and a middle finger to those poor ignorants that planed to import the heavy drm outdated console, right?

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    • Andy Wilding

      Wait, no japan? I heard the 360 doesnt sell too well there but the people who do actually want it are totally out of luck?

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      • イサム オミナエ

        No Japan, no Asia, no Portugal, no Greece, no Poland, and many others.

        Japan and Asia seems worst situation., they will launch the drm bone only “the end of the NEXT YEAR”.
        And later everybody will laugh about the poor bone sales, because we “don’t like american products” (Apple is a massive hit here)
        M$ is a joke, respect ZERO for the japanese consumers (and worldwide consumers about the drm)
        M$ asked japanese consumers to get the PS4, #dealwiththis

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      • イサム オミナエ

        Eurogamer says “you can’t activate games with an Xbox Live account registered in an unsupported region”
        Region locked console for games and now for xbox live. What a joke!

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      • Sascha Ookami

        I live in germany, we always get cut games because of our government, so with X1 I have to buy this cutted games, nice.. I hope everybody here in germany will see that they cant buy games from UK anymore, theyre losing much customers with that.

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  • Noble Pyro

    Any possibility that the Wireless Controller, Play & Charge Kit, & Headset will be bundled with XB1 like the 360 is/was?

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    • MotherNelson

      “LOL!!! haha ROTFLMFAO!!!!”

      ^Microsoft

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    • ElektroDragon

      The bundled controller is wireless. And no and no on the other two answers.

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  • Retroact1ve

    Why mandatory kinect even if the games you play don’t use it? Why must it be plugged in at all times while system is on…. Any ms employee or ex employee (Shane) care to elaborate?

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    • MotherNelson

      and don’t forget about Nick. He’s Shane. And Shaniqua_1990 or whatever it’s name was.

      it MUST be plugged in, Retro @_@ Plugged in forever and ever and ever….
      (@)_______(@)

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    • jeffyg3

      I don’t mind the Kinect thing, but I understand the reasoning behind it. It’s so that developers will use the Kinect. If a developer knows it’s part of a system then there will be more games that will take advantage of it and they have the freedom knowing every system will use it, and not just some add-on or afterthought like the Playstation Eye or countless Wii accessories and not sell as many copies for their ideas they would have liked to incorporate. A developer knowing the Kinect will always be there on every system is a benefit for their game making creativity.

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      • Macy Slator

        Just my opinion, but that’s not a good reason at all. It’s already coming in the package with the xbox one, so developers know that everyone who’s purchased an xbox one has a kinect, connected or not. It doesn’t need to be attached and on all the time for developers to realize that.

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      • MotherNelson

        and as I stated earlier… What about paralyzed/mute/deaf gamers.. if devs start incorporating Kinect without differentiating it from your standard game… then those people will NOT be able to play to the full capacity.

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      • Retroact1ve

        Thanks macy. Let me point out about what I was saying earlier about emotional tagging and targeted ads. This system I am talking about, to make it profitable as a revenue stream for microsoft they would have to know that the kinect would always be plugged into every system… hence why I am saying it is mandatory. This bs about so the devs know its there is laughable to the point of being sad that people believe such hogwash.

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      • Andy Wilding

        MS did say they wont take any personally identifiable data from you but they didn’t say that there wont be any data taken at all if you dont want it, thats what i object to, data from my actions wether it be identifiable or not and being used so I end up being statistics for advertisements that they can sell to 3rd parties, IE profiting off my actions.

        As you have already stated, if you can turn off the features then why the need for it to be plugged in unless they are capturing data all the time. its got nothing to do with paranoia or anything and more to do with morals.

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      • Retroact1ve

        Thank you. That’s my point. Maybe its not sending and receiving all the time. But you better be concerned its saving batches and batches of info til you give the ok to send the info off. If you say no it will probably backlog it until the next time you say ok and it will send off the info you originally said no to. No matter what they will get that data for their new revenue streams and that is my point. That is why it needs to be plugged in at all times while it is on, and that is what they dare not tell people… that they are using it to profit off of emotional tagging. Its like its profiting off your very soul.

        Im not making a religious type of statement, I am saying your emotions is what makes you, you and they are trying to profit off of it to sell you more pieces of junk. How low to even put an achievement up for day one purchases or commercial views? It makes the whole achievement system a joke and a marketing tool… just one more revenue stream. You see where I am going with this. It never ends with microsoft.

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      • Macy Slator

        this is a man that speaks the truth

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    • Ken

      ONE WORD…. PRISM… Microsoft is one of the companies that is using PRISM.

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  • XBL: xX TriPLe Xx

    Has anybody seen th the Amazon voting poll they are having for a couple of days Xbox One VS PS4?.. Man!!! Xbox is losing big time..😦 like 18k to 1k….

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    • Retroact1ve

      Yep the ps4 is winning 18 times over. I cast my vote for the more powerful and user friendly system. Care to guess which one I voted for haha

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      • XBL: xX TriPLe Xx

        I don’t thinking it has to do with it being the more “powerful” one.. it’s price and DRM is what people are more upset about.. and having to check in every 24 hours..

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      • MotherNelson

        and Kinect… don’t forget Kinect. : /

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      • Retroact1ve

        Mother I’m serious about it though lol. Really do you want a console that will emotionally profile you and hand that information over to advertisers to target ads directly to you on a PAID service a la hulu plus. Its ridiculous. Sascha graphics aren’t but better AI and increased draw distances are… oh and it does help if the system doesnt have overheating issues.

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      • MotherNelson

        right?! It’s… it’s insane, Retro. What kind of world are we living in? I mean YES facebook does it. YES our smartphones/tablets have cameras or whatever… but for 1, they don’t rate our heartbeat. 2, they aren’t infrared, so we can put TAPE over them if we wanted to. It’s just… it’s Orwellian…

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      • Sascha Ookami

        forget about that sorry, but yes youre right, PS4 will have HUGE advantages especially in open world games

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      • Sascha Ookami

        true, I would buy the X1 without this “features”, just because of Halo and Gears. No need for 8 gb GDDR5 ram😀 maybe in 3 years the ram of the PS4 will show whats its advantage, but not now. Anyway I will always love Halo more than Killzone, graphics arent anything.

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      • Ken

        Halo died after Bungie gave it away to a terrible game developer. Trust me, i bought Halo 4 Limited Edition. And i regret it. Mainly cause the game isn’t even Halo anymore. They have changed it way to much. Too much to where it feels generic and bland. Go ahead, get on Halo 4 at peak hours. There will be less than 50K on there. Halo 2 & 3 were Halo’s peak now it’s all down hill.

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      • Retroact1ve

        That’s because Bungie is following their destiny. You see what I did there? =-)

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      • Ken

        Lawl, Destiny is gonna be insane. They slapped MS at the PS4 E3 when they said that some DLC would be PS4 Exclusive.

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      • deadbox102

        And we’re smart enough to not make it an Xbox exclusive.

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      • Sascha Ookami

        Yea the MP is terrible in Halo 4, to much cod in it. But i liked the campaign and the artstyle. Anyway I think the Halo 4 MP is still “playable”. IMO Halo 3 and Gears 1 are the best MP games on 360.🙂

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      • Retroact1ve

        For tech enthusiasts and pc builders like myself at first it came down to pure specs and power. No need to offload computations to the cloud to help single player games look good. Then I read about all the databasing that they planned on doing in the way of patents all of which by the way would not work UNLESS kinect was a mandatory add on and plugged in 24/7.

        Then came all the bs about you not owning copies of games you paid for therefore could not hand the game via the disc to a friend to borrow like you would a book you bought. Oh it just got worse and worse. Now when legitimate concerns are brought up about the always plugged in kinect ex microsoft and current microsoft employees and bloggers come out of the woodwork.

        I figured Id come here and see if I can get a reasonable explanation on the mandatory kinect that doesnt involve it being used for targeted ads based on emotion tagging. But guess what all I have heard is people trying to marginalize me and ignore the very real question I am asking.

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    • MotherNelson

      where…is…this…poll?

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      • deadbox102

        It’s on their Facebook page.

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      • MotherNelson

        thanks!

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    • deadbox102

      I’ll have to take a look. I’ve been tracking the Twitter battle.

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      • MotherNelson

        THERES A TWITTER BATTLE?! I’m missing out on all the fun Dx

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      • deadbox102

        Yes and MS is getting kicked in the teeth in that one as well.

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    • Sascha Ookami

      Hope this is right! Thats the only thing that makes MS see what they did, much less buyers..

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  • ElektroDragon

    Please, if you must buy both consoles, at least make the X1 an exclusives only machine.

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    • Guest

      Sorry, it will be my main, as well as everyone of the 73 friends on my list I have spoken to.
      You must be disappointed after all your trolling, but what MS has thought of is a plan where we all win (developers, publishers and consumers) in the digital only inevitable near future.
      Once everything is digital only (and that will be soon enough with over 140 developers having closed last gen and every other retailer going out of business).
      Good luck to you and your PauperStation that won’t have all the account benefits of the Xbox One then!

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      • deadbox102

        Then by all means you and your friends need to get to the polls. MS needs you.

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      • Moro77

        lol hahaha good 1 !

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      • Amarildo Kulla

        Why do they NEED him? What does a poll have anything to do with anyone’s enjoyment of any product? How well does COD do in polls and internet forums? How has that affected their sales and the people that buy the games enjoyment of them?

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      • deadbox102

        You are correct sir. The polls mean nothing this time around.

        http://www. ibtimes .com/ps4-vs-xbox-one-amazon-splits-playstation-4-preorder-page-may-not-ship-release-date-due-high-demand

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      • Morgon Britton

        News for you buddy. Everything won’t go digital for another 20-30 years. The whole world isn’t ready for that so it isn’t going to happen until 99/100 people have a STABLE internet connection.

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      • Retroact1ve

        Our internet infrastructure is not even close to being capable of a digital only game utopia friend. Not to mention even as we advance in this area cable companies are having customers jump ship to streaming services. However, the cable companies like comcast do not currently care because they know that those ex cable subscribers will still get cable internet through them.

        When too many people jump off cable, which is inevitable in the same way it was inevitable blockbuster would be screwed by redbox and streaming services, they will seek to gain lost revenue. Do you want to guess how cable companies will regain that lost revenue? They will implement data usage caps, and many are already starting to do just that. Soon it will be tiered across the board and there will not be unlimited plans when it is to the point when it gets that bad for them in the way of lost cable subscribers.

        With data usage tiers/caps good luck downloading those 8-30+ gig games and constant data flowing back and forth. Gaming will end up costing more than just console+game, you can quote me on that a few years down the road.

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      • ElektroDragon

        Wow, 74 ignorant people.

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      • Guest

        NO, 74 non-paupers that support the future industry.

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      • ElektroDragon

        74 blind sheep.

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      • BigBernard

        73 imaginary friends…

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    • Amarildo Kulla

      Just to be clear. I’m probably buying a PS4 first. Its got nothing to do with an exclusive game or anything else. The only reason is $100. When the XBO price drops I will most likely buy one and probably love it just like I love my 360. I owned both systems this generation (bought them a few years apart from each other and at different prices) and I love them both. I also own a Vita and its functionality with the PS4 intrigues me even though I am a bit leery of Sony promises. They said the PSV would support remote play with the PS3 and then barely did anything with it. They even showed KZ3 being remote played. Guess what. KZ3 remote play is nowhere in sight. But then again it wouldn’t be the first time Sony flat out lies on something involving the KZ franchise.

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      • Morgon Britton

        Sony doesn’t develop KZ so that is the developers lie, not Sonys.

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      • Amarildo Kulla

        Sony owns the developers of KZ. They are part of Sony Studios. They are Sony.
        Also Sony puts together their own E3 press conferences not developers.

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  • Jason Lafitte

    so microsoft is going to take my 6000 points, convert them to a virtual wallet, and then those wallet dollars expire in 1 year.
    Another strike on the wall for the xbox, its 2 outs in the 9th and your down a 4 runs microsoft.

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  • Ken

    Don Mattrick: ” If you don’t want a ONLINE console, Buy a Xbox 360″
    ME: “already have one.. so i will buy a PS4.. since that’s capable of offline gaming.

    Already Have PS4 and BF4 pre-ordered..

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    • MotherNelson

      Ken to don: U MAD? ;D

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  • Daniel Lawson

    I guess you don’t have enough games to play on your PS3s so you come and troll on MN’s site?

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    • deadbox102

      You sir are speaking to diehard Xbox fans who are desperately trying to stay with a brand that has become hostile towards us.

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      • MotherNelson

        This. ^

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    • Guest

      ^ this.

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  • Vince

    Major Nelson, why is the xbox one bigger than the ps4? what did you put inside it?

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    • deadbox102

      Hopefully a PS4.

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      • dibils

        hahaha that was pretty good

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    • Retroact1ve

      a massive cooler and it is still having overheating issues. MS engineers need to get into the heating and cooling business.

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  • HellspawnRei

    I just asked Support on Twitter for the Xbox One region support.
    If you are not on the 21 countries list you will have to wait until 2014…

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    • dibils

      so twitch is confirmed day one for UK? good, its not like the app then

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      • HellspawnRei

        I didn’t say that,i was talking about the countries that are not on the launch list of Xbox One.

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  • beardyman3218

    According to amazon xbox one is releasing in november and ps4 in december.

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    • Retroact1ve

      Dec. 31st right? Thats a place holder date. They know it will release this year but dont know when, so they put the very last day of the year up there until they have confirmation of an exact date.

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      • beardyman3218

        cool, thanks for the clarification.

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  • MotherNelson

    It has come to my attention that MS-hired PR people have GOT to be trolling us and trying to get us to “understand” this new “venture” from Microsoft’s XboxOne… as if a few lowly, badly thought out, moronic comments could POSSIBLY persuade us. This is DIEHARD XBOX FAN #2,000,000 saying: I wont stand for this. Period.

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    • MotherNelson

      in addition, I don’t know about anyone else.. but Massive amounts of comments and threads have just disappeared. Retro’s post is mysteriously gone for me. When I log out only half of it shows up. when I log back in, it’s still gone. Be aware, these people are just sick now…

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    • Macy Slator

      that wouldn’t surprise me one bit.

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      • MotherNelson

        you were one of the ones that made me start investigating. most of these people only stay on for a few minutes, make a new account, post the SAME redirect… it’s an endless cycle. The fact that they sound MORE and MORE like MS with every post is alarming.

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        They always seem to be quite insulting though which is a horrible way to interact with your customers.

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  • XbonedinOklahoma

    If you go to Google news and look under technology and find the stories being written across the world, Microsoft is in the middle of PR nightmare. How did they get to this point? Are they smart enough to recover? If i was a Microsoft shareholder, and I am not, between this and Windows 8, I would be looking for big changes in corporate leadership.

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    • Retroact1ve

      I would of dropped the stock before it took a swift dive. You see they were flying high right after the reveal (edit: by reveal I mean the announcement of a new system before initial reveal). They knew it would profit and of course any new system from them would so the stocks rose. After reveal they dropped down (initial tv tv tv reveal). They rose back up after promises all the games would be shown at e3 and their DRM policies were just starting to come to light. However no one paid attention initially to their policies. It was at this magic point in time I would of dropped my stock and profited. Then after all the policies and concerns came to light and the e3 pounding sony gave to microsoft, I would of waited til the peak fall of the microsoft stock and I would of bought it up. After all the stock will climb again, but you better believe its in for a roller coaster ride from here on out.

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    • Retroact1ve

      amazon video game facebook vote so far ps4: 18917 xbox one: 1078
      Yep amazon had so many orders of the xbox day one edition microsoft had to send them more hahaha, yea I believed that bs.😉
      edit: now its 18937 for ps4 and 1078 still for xbox.

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        Wow, that’s crushing.

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    • deadbox102

      At this rate it’s not if heads will roll it’s how many.

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  • Rasmus Elmstrøm

    Just rename the thing to Msoft DRMcast and be done with it…. I am really struggling to find excuses to stay with my beloved xbox friend, but I find it impossible to stay in a place where i seem to be completely unappreciated and watched. It´s sad really, because I have really loved being an xbox guy, but these days, I dont even feel like playing my 360…… Way to go MS, excellent business model….

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    • MotherNelson

      *shudders* don’t drag dreamcast’s glory down with this horrible xbone bs.

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      • Rasmus Elmstrøm

        Haha, sorry dude!😉

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      • MotherNelson

        lol!

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      • Retroact1ve

        hahaha wow. You are the king of put downs today mother. I dont hate microsoft, I like windows vista (after I turned off their shadowcopying of entire harddrive in a folder that contained remote access files) but I hate absolutely hate their practices. Whether it be drm, remote access not announced to user, absolute disregard for privacy in preference of opening up revenue streams via selling of information or dissemination of information all in the name of the mighty dollar.

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      • MotherNelson

        I didn’t mean to sound like a jerk but.. pfft THIS is mother’s territory!

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  • Steve

    I’ve been bashing Xbox but, I can’t lie I really like the family share idea since I’m a divorced single dad and all my kids don’t live with me. Just wish they would let us play our single player games offline without checking in every 24 hours….

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    • John

      That’s the only thing I dislike as well. It has to be more lenient, but it won’t be the dealbreaker for me.

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    • deadbox102

      This^

      Edit: Minus the divorced part. Sorry bro.

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    • MotherNelson

      that.. and i’m sure you don’t want “Warden Kinect” (thanks Rasmus) watching your kids while they’re in their jammies watching spongebob. No child protective parent should, imho. just saying : /

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      • CassyBee

        As a mom I can tell you this thought never crossed my mind, and now that you have mentioned it I am still not concerned. I do not believe anything like that would ever happen and even if it did what are they going to see? A boy and a girl sitting in front of the television and every now and then they fight with each other.
        I would be more concerned about it if it was in my bedroom, but then I would just toss a towel over it when the exciting stuff goes on, and I don’t mind if they listen in, that thought might make it more exciting.

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        lol I have to say i don’t agree with you but that last bit made me laugh.

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  • Rasmus Elmstrøm

    Anybody know what happened to the majors twitter feed? Has he been gagged and bound by MS in their corporate dungeon, alone, helpless and desperate in the dark, being watched by warden Kinect in IR without internet?

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    • MotherNelson

      that or he’s on a plane back to wherever he lives from e3?

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      • Rasmus Elmstrøm

        Equally potential scenarios….😛

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      • Retroact1ve

        Oh how I love amazon right now. PS4 19047 xbox one: 1090
        I love amazon right now because they are basically saying this “We can not give out pre order sales to the detriment of a certain company. But what we can do is force the issue out in the open for all to see by a nice democratic vote”. Now we know they can no longer claim it’s a vocal minority bs’ing and people will buy the xbox one in secret. No, obviously its a much bigger problem and thats why facebook voting was used. You can only vote once per account and it would be a logistical nightmare to try and mass vote it via rigging. Let the backpeddling begin microsoft we are awaiting your ‘Finalized policy’ that you magically had all along. One that includes optional kinect (either have it plugged in or not and can still play games that dont utilize it), no checking in with the mothership every 24 hours, and freely sell games even on craigslist or ebay. Thank you and come again.

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      • TonyLN

        Preorders vs a survey are very different. I’ve preorderd (not through Amazon) each console (and 2 Ones because it will be easier for my family to share games on).

        I also haven’t voted for either console on Amazon… Plus, you don’t have to buy one to vote, and if you have access to multiple internet connected devices you can vote more than once.

        Someone that likes what the PS4 represent, but likes the XOs exclusives may also vote for the PS4 but buy a One.
        Until we see the number of consoles sold and the number of games purchased per console we have no idea who is winning….

        That being said, I think the PS4 will probably be in 1st place for most this generation provided they can get some decent exclusives.

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    • TonyLN

      He is still Tweeting, it just not showing up on this page – click see more and it opens in Twitter — last post was 12 minutes ago.

      “A few of the awards #TitanFall has earned at #E3 this week say(dot)ly/vlS62qe”

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      • Retroact1ve

        its also a PC game I will be playing without the xbone.

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      • CassyBee

        Ugly Troll – go back to the dungeon where you belong!

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      • Rasmus Elmstrøm

        Just gave you an up vote! fyi, still have my preorder for the xbox one, and i´m giving ms two weeks to change their policies, and then i´m cancelling it….

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      • Rasmus Elmstrøm

        So, he´s still ignoring the situation at hand, and carrying on in la-la land?

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  • Retroact1ve

    To Brendo: Nice one. It was taken offline by sony because a few servers were accessed. The fbi was involved and taking down the network is a stop gap measure to make sure they aren’t bleeding data to hackers. Now would you like to know why? They initiated some anti consumer measures by taking away a marketed feature. I was one of the ones chastising sony about it. They screwed with people and some were not the type to screw around with.
    Of course every skript kiddie and their mother jumped on the bandwagon too. You know these policies microsoft are putting into place? Guess what, they are many times more unpopular with the very same crowd by an order of a magnitude. Have fun with your cloud computing in single player games by the way, I hear it will be an interesting experience.
    amazon ps4 vs xbox one facebook vote update: PS4: 19275 XBONE: 1102

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  • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

    PS4 – 19271

    Xbox One – 1101

    Can you explain that to me MS? What on earth are you doing? You’re going to get annihilated.

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    • Retroact1ve

      they are coming up with their ‘finalized drm and kinect policies’ that they had all along… they were just being misunderstood and taken out of context all along… how silly of us mate?

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        How can you down vote the figures? They’re real!

        That’s not aimed at you retro.

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    • Rasmus Elmstrøm

      Come on man! show some understanding, they obviously need money for feeding all the bald cats they are petting at the pianoblack longtable, OH! and dont forget white suits arent exactly cheap eiher!🙂

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    • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

      How on earth can Blockbuster say they’ve had record demand for the Xbox One with those Amazon figures? They must have had 8 Xbox 360 preorders to be able to say the Xbox One broke preorder records.

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      • Rasmus Elmstrøm

        Didn’t they come out with this information before sony dropkicked ms?

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      • MotherNelson

        wait… blockbuster still exists?O_o

        well they wont after xboxONE disables rented games.

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      • Ryan

        I think its online a streaming or by mail sevice now based on the net, not sure. I am sure how many people wont be buying the all in one console that does everything, except anything we want it to, sometimes and nothing all the time.

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    • JayD

      This is the thing I am most upset with about the xbox. Forget DRM/etc. This is what really bothers me. We will see how it play outs.

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  • Retroact1ve

    Hey jaffa the vote is going to hit 20-1 in favor of the ps4 in very short order at this rate.

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    • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

      Yeah i’m just sat here refreshing and the number keeps going up and up.

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      • Dylan

        Can you give me a link to that?

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  • darren williams

    just want to know lets say if i want to play my xbox 1 like decades from now and all the servers are down to verify my system lol

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    • Retroact1ve

      Microsoft claims in that case before the servers are taken down they will be the good guys and unlock everyones system via software to make sure there are no more mandatory checks. all based on scouts honor ahahaha.

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      • MotherNelson

        is THAT what they’ve said? so basically this is a game to them for now… then they decided when everyone stops playing… [no pun intended]

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      • darren williams

        yeah i been with xbox since day one but this is a crazy move for them

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    • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

      Do you mean the 1st Xbox 1 or the 2nd Xbox 1? If you mean the 1st Xbox 1 then that’s fine you can play that till 2050 and beyond if you like. If however you mean the 2nd Xbox 1 then I’m afraid it’s about as much use as a paper umbrella.

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      • darren williams

        lol yeah i meant the second one i hate it thats it always has to be connected i stay in a area where it storms alot my internet is always out lol

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      • http://soundcloud.com/ViRUSfromMARS Jaffa Cake King

        I sympathize mate but MS don’t.

        Playstation 4: When we say we’re listening, we really are.

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    • davemcdave

      That is a long way off… There is nothing to stop MS removing the online checks once the servers are being turned off, which I’d like to hope they would do.

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